8/17 Bachmann="Quiver Movement," 8/18 Quivers"almost killed"

[Marie Laveau]

All these people are just meant to make it look like we have a choice.

[DrVolin]

As barracuda has pointed out, Robin Quivers got into a car accident on Sunday, August 14th -- your contention is that this was done because of a news story on Wednesday, August 17th. Does this seem like a chronology problem to you, Hugh?

To be fair, I don't think Hugh's scenario requires that the crash that left Robin quivering be planned as an anticipated response to the quiverfull interview. It only requires that the crash be identified post facto as a useful psyop opportunity. But I haven't read closely enough to know whether Hugh is actually making that claim.

[beeline]

So a liberal/humanitarian, at least.

And at one point several years ago Howard Stern made some 9/11 truth comments, yes? I dunno...

I would say yes, she's pretty liberal. Most of the cast members and producers are left-leaning, except for the t.v. producer, who spouts off right-talking points and generally comes across as an idiot.

I don't remember exactly, but he has had Jesse Ventura on the show to discuss 9/11 truth. From what I recall Howard was pretty open to the idea.

[Wombaticus Rex]

To be fair, I don't think Hugh's scenario requires that the crash that left Robin quivering be planned as an anticipated response to the quiverfull interview. It only requires that the crash be identified post facto as a useful psyop opportunity. But I haven't read closely enough to know whether Hugh is actually making that claim.

Yeah, but no. That would be a more nuanced and sane formulation of the OP, but it's not what Hugh was saying:

5) In this case, which has all the fingerprints of viral marketing-as-counterpropaganda, all it took was was tracking celebrity Robin Cook using her cellphone or GPS tracker on her car and then attacking her with an expert driver who could do the
"360" Robin described so vividly. The "360" SPIN fits in perfectly as a mirror of the Bachmann problem, all her lying and spinning.
The driver merely gets a wrist-slap, probably a hefty fee, and remains military-protected using the channels mil-intel has all over the place.

Not too hard to grasp the gist of this as I originally stated it in the op in shorthand.

Again, this is the problem I have with Hugh and I'm far from alone here. We get the concept and we actually agree with it. In application, though, the examples he proposes here are characterized by

1) A conception of the CIA as functionally omnipotent and omniscient.

2) A tendency to twist the core concepts, esp. in terms of lexical analysis and semantics, to fit his narratives.

3) A lack of basic research that leads to glaring errors and a chronology so strained that Hugh is essentially arguing for retrocausality, again and again.

The fact that he delivers these theories in the form of brow-beating, condescending lectures is what really makes Hugh such an asset to this community, though.

[DrVolin]

And I completely agree on the performance art aspect that you mention up there.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
...Robin Quivers got into a car accident on
Sunday, August 14th -- your contention is that this was done because of a news story on
Wednesday, August 17th. Does this seem like a chronology problem to you, Hugh?

No "chronology problem" at all.

Three days?
When do you suppose the bookers of interview guests at DemocracyNow planned on having Frank Schaefer on to expose the lies of Michele Bachmann?
DemocracyNow is the SINGLE most exposed non-CIA-controlled opposition news source heard on over 900 radio stations and streamed and archived for searches..

Dontcha think that they are tapped, bugged, and datamined so that psyoperators can stay ahead of their broadcast plans? That warrants a "duh."

Your inability to think through the sequence of surveillance>psyops leads you to accuse me of "retrocausality."
Likewise your claims of "omniscience" of spooks ascribed to me erroneously. Really really basic spycraft is still waaaay beyond RI posters and since I've been presenting the same thesis for over five years, yes, I have impatience with your inability to recognize covert Nazi spyops tactics handed to you on a silver platter for the umpteenth time.


The Pentagon has social control doctrines IN PRINT called "Psychological Operations" with a definition of "counterpropaganda" as:
ANY ACTION TAKEN TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF HOSTILE INFORMATION.

Counterpropaganda tactics are listed and include "diversionary events." Yet another..."duh."

[Wombaticus Rex]

Your inability to think through the sequence of surveillance>psyops leads you to accuse me of "retrocausality."

Likewise your claims of "omniscience" of spooks ascribed to me erroneously. Really really basic spycraft is still waaaay beyond RI posters and since I've been presenting the same thesis for over five years, yes, I have impatience with your inability to recognize covert Nazi spyops tactics handed to you on a silver platter for the umpteenth time.

Willing to grant you both points. I have no operational experience.

[Wombaticus Rex]

See....I feel like you're taking advantage of us, Hugh. Nobody disputes what the CIA is here, do they? We just have serious doubts about you, do you get that?

You're hiding behind known unknowns. Yes, the CIA/NSA/FBI has an extensive domestic surveillance machine - perhaps even a total fishbowl enclosure. Yes, the alphabet soup of secret police have covert operatives by the hundreds in every city. Yes, they've got an abundantly proven track record of illegal actions up to and including murder.

Yet what Hugh brings to the table is certainty -- THE blueprint for how reality transpires behind the scenes. Rather than dismissing stories as possible CIA disinformation, Hugh lays out precise scenarios involving things he could not possibly know or prove...and when we call him on it, he browbeats us by saying we don't know, either. Is that an answer or an evasion?

It is the precision of Hugh's details -- in the face of how much we cannot know -- that makes his narratives so unbelievable. You're talking about covert, classified, compartmentalized programs and activities, and when I say "Hugh, how can you know that?" ... you really never answer the question. It's been my question for like two years now.

I've read the theory, man. I'm reading through all the documents you put in the psyops subforum and I'm grateful for them. None of them address operational details. So how do you know how the CIA works so well, Hugh? Seriously.

Bonus round: where is the falsifiability? How can you prove/disprove the narratives you present? How can you fact check in the realm of Known Unknowns?

[elfismiles]

Hugh, all you need to succeed in your argument is present ONE verified document (preferably from the last 10 years) showing some actual paper trail for ANY of the PsyOps you allege. Just one. Come on man. I dare you to find one.

But I've made that request before and you've not done so ... so I won't hold my breath.

Tons of documents are being leaked. Tons of documents have been released via FOIA. Yet none of them show evidence for the kinds of PsyOps you allege.

Oh yeah, that's right. Cuda (or was it the wombat) summed it up best when he paraphrased you as saying KWH is THE most closely guarded Intel secret.

So, the gubmint will allow all these other secrets and scandals be released (as limited hangouts in all cases, no doubt, in your world) but when it comes to distracting the world about Rambo with Rambo the paper-shredders work overtime.

The Pentagon has social control doctrines IN PRINT called "Psychological Operations" with a definition of "counterpropaganda" as:
ANY ACTION TAKEN TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF HOSTILE INFORMATION.

Counterpropaganda tactics are listed and include "diversionary events." Yet another..."duh."

[jingofever]

Bonus round: where is the falsifiability? How can you prove/disprove the narratives you present? How can you fact check in the realm of Known Unknowns?

One way to falsify it is to see if keyword hijacking is time symmetric. If you can find the same patterns but in reverse then coincidence is probably responsible, in which case keyword hijacking is indistinguishable from coincidence and has no explanatory power. And as you point out above, Hugh Manatee Wins has already shown that with his numerous chronological errors.

[Nordic]

I'd say Hugh Manatee Loses this thread.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
You're talking about covert, classified, compartmentalized programs and activities, and when I say "Hugh, how can you know that?" ... you really never answer the question. It's been my question for like two years now.
.....
So how do you know how the CIA works so well, Hugh? Seriously.

How to get traction in covert activity to the point of certainty? See 'Carnegie Hall.'
But I have answered you. I've found many thousands of psyop cues going back to the 1930s. I only post about a few and that's not enough dots in the pointillist painting for a cold viewer like you to see the Whole Picture of doctrines > events > tactics > witting use of unwitting agents > marketing > cognition > sociology > politics > legislation > policy > economics > fascism.

Ya ain't gonna learn that stuff (Reality) wasting time on W.O.O.

I been studying vigorously the keyword semantic priming system for some years now.
Doctrines, whistleblowers, decades of media fiction aligned with contemporary events, cognitive science, etc.
The military psyops manual tells how to go about doing propaganda analysis. Yes it starts with "the word." And theme. etc. Pretty basic stuff.

Surveillance is as basic as it gets, like monitoring the show planning of DemocracyNow on Pacifica Radio. And whistleblowers writing books.

There's a whole vocabulary to learn to think through the logic of military doctrine deployed as motive/means/opportunity, like a detective.
"Mosaic theory" is a psyops technique of both distribution and collection of seemingly disparate elements that combine as a commonality.
Which leads to your next question.

Bonus round: where is the falsifiability? How can you prove/disprove the narratives you present? How can you fact check in the realm of Known Unknowns?

"Falsifiability" is a red herring put out by the CIA 'Skeptic Club' gatekeepers to confuse you.
Instead, try this-

The Scientific Method - Google Search

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[Hugh Manatee Wins]

And I'm not kidding about The Scientific Method.

Oh, look. "keywords."

18. The Scientific Method
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[Wombaticus Rex]

Karl Popper is a CIA disinfo gatekeeper?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Hugh you should read this and take it on board.

http://www.experiment-resources.com/falsifiability.html