Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff
by eyeno » Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:10 pm
by 8bitagent » Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:10 pm
by Nordic » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:16 pm
by elfismiles » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:49 pm
Nordic wrote:“Chance would have it that way”, a key police source who wishes to remain anonymous, told Aftenposten.
uh ..... NO.
Cryptogon's got a link up to it now, in English (that's not prisonplanet):
http://northerntrumpet.com/2011/08/27/shocker-norwegian-police-conducted-drill-for-a-“practically-identical-scenario”-right-before-the-utoya-attack/
And 77 victims? Really? 77???
I haven't been to this thread in a while. But this is getting really stinky, this story.
by 8bitagent » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:04 pm
Norwegian Police Conducted Drill For A “Practically Identical Scenario” Right Before The Utoya Attack
Norway’s emergency Delta Force unit conducted an exercise almost exactly like the attack at Utoya right before it happened for real. Photo: REUTERS
Just hours before Anders Behring Breivik launched his deadly attack at a political summer camp on Utoya island on July 22, police had conducted a drill for a “practically identical scenario”, Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reports.
Sources within the top level management of the police in Oslo have confirmed to Aftenposten that the drill finished at 15:00 that same Friday. The bomb attributed to Breivik went off only 26 minutes after the anti-terror drill finished, according to officials.
According to Aftenposten all of the officers from the anti-terror unit who took part in the action and arrest of Breivik had a full week training on a mobile terrorist attack scenario in which one or more perpetrators only goal is to shoot as many people as possible and then shoot the police when they arrive.
by eyeno » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:54 pm
Nordic wrote:
And 77 victims? Really? 77???
I haven't been to this thread in a while. But this is getting really stinky, this story.
by Peachtree Pam » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:24 am
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 211544.ece
"Three to five terrorists with two hand guns and rifles. There could be explosives on the island". This is the way the police in Nordre Buskerud and the leadership in the police swat team saw the situation as they were on the way to Utøya on 22 July.
Now it seems that this was what the police thought the situation was, not only when they were on the way to Utøya, but also a good hour after Breivik was arrested.
Details
When the first crews from the swat teams went on land at Utøya at 18.25, they were, according to key police sources in the Oslo police district, met by several youths who came with detailed descriptions of alleged perpetrators.
Witnesses describe their appearance and what the alleged perpetrators are wearing.
Two minutes later Breivik was arrested.
But even though the sound of gunfire ceases after his arrest, the crew from the emergency squad on Utøya receive new concrete witness descriptions telling again about communications [connection, association] (with Breivik).
They are told that the appearance and clothing of those the witnesses allege are the perpetrators do not match [that of ]the arrested Behring Breivik.
Clothing
In the minutes after his arrest, several witness continue with their descriptions of the alleged perpetrators [at large] (literally "to come"), while Behring Breivik is taken under guard to Utøya-house.
The swat team begin their efforts to save lives but continue at the same time to hunt for other perpetrators.
- There were many statements by witnesses on the connection [similarities] of descriptions of the perpetrators and what they wore and how they looked, said a police source who does not want to come forward with his name.
According to key sources, it took "hours" before the police decided to "lower the guard" with respect to the number of terrorists that could be on the island.
Innocent 17 year old arrested
At one point a 17 year old AUF member was arrested apparently because he reacted oddly towards the massacre, that is differently from most of the survivors.
The police suspected that he could be a potential perpetrator.
(snip...) [The boy was later released after being held for several hours...]
Demanding
Magne Rustad, chief of staff in Northern Buskerud Police District, said they assumed that everything was possible, and that the possibility that there were two to five terrorists was based on statements from people who were on Utøya or people who had been in contact with them.
- This was not a picture of a situation that was clear and certain, but our best assessment given the large and complex number of pieces of information in a hectic and demanding situation, he said.
Rustad confirmed that the police, even after the arrest, thought there was reason to believe that there could be more terrorists and possibly explosives involved.
- Based on the situation that faced the police on the island, we could nevertheless not rule out that this could be the case. These considerations formed the basis for further police operations at Utøya and in connection with Utøya in the hours that followed, he said.
Alone
So far, no police investigation has revealed [the presence] of several terrorists on Utøya or at the ministries, as the police thought during the first few hours at Utøya.
- We maintain that we have no evidence that Behring Breivik must have had accomplices, says Christian Hatlo, prosecutor in the Oslo police.
- Are there still some witnesses who, during interviews, have reiterated the explanation that there were several perpetrators at Utøya?
- We have not commented on this and do not want to say anything more about it now, says Hatlo.
by 2012 Countdown » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:29 pm
by barracuda » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:04 pm
eyeno wrote:This story stunk from the beginning. The children there were learning how the Palestinians were not bad people, etc...The reality helmet was on for me from the beginning. The shooter was worried about Islam taking over the world. I mean come on. This is signature work. The writing is on the wall....next...
eyeno wrote:This is signature work. The writing is on the wall....
by eyeno » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:52 pm
barracuda wrote:eyeno wrote:This story stunk from the beginning. The children there were learning how the Palestinians were not bad people, etc...The reality helmet was on for me from the beginning. The shooter was worried about Islam taking over the world. I mean come on. This is signature work. The writing is on the wall....next...
Whose signature are you referring to here, eyeno? Presumably you mean some anti-Palestinian force at work, but you're being somewhat cryptic.
As a supporter of the Palestinian cause, you probably already know this, but just for the sake of clarity:
On September 20, 2011, Palestine is going to be asking for recognition of its statehood within pre-1967 borders from the 193 states that make of the UN General Assembly. The measure will certainly pass, since 124 of those countries, principally in South America, Asia and Africa, have already guaranteed their support for it.
Most European countries are still diplomatically making supportive noises without committing themselves. But really, only Israel and the U.S. have emphatically asserted their antipathy to the idea and continue to press for further direct negotiations.
So why Norway? Why not Spain, or France, or Great Britain, all of whom have rather unequivocatively voiced their tacit support for Palestine with at least as much, if not more, gusto than the Norwegians? Do you consider the Norwegian stance to be a lynchpin within the scope of Palestine's internatonal relations or status?eyeno wrote:This is signature work. The writing is on the wall....
And a minor side issue - "the writing on the wall" is an idiom which properly refers to the fifth chapter of the Book of Daniel in the old testament. It is understood to represent a portent of doom, not an easily understood or obvious sign apparent to everyone who sees it.
Whose signature are you referring to here, eyeno? Presumably you mean some anti-Palestinian force at work, but you're being somewhat cryptic.
As a supporter of the Palestinian cause, you probably already know this,
Do you consider the Norwegian stance to be a lynchpin within the scope of Palestine's internatonal relations or status?
by barracuda » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:21 pm
by Peachtree Pam » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:12 am
http://theforeigner.no/pages/news/more- ... stigators/
Published on Wednesday, 31st August, 2011
More clues for Breivik investigators
Detectives have been visiting the mass murderer’s property in Hedmark over the last couple of weeks, and believe the barn is now central to their investigations.
At 17:00 yesterday, police found some unknown artefacts on the Åsta farm, which they hope will go some way in clearing up whether Breivik had any accomplices.
The discovery comes almost two weeks following the find of a second, larger bomb ready for use, and adds to vital DNA material and fingerprints already collected as evidence.
Early on Monday morning, police also cordoned off other areas on the farm as part of their tactical investigations.
Police lawyer Pål Fredrik Hjort Kraby said to NRK, they “will complete the tactical search” of the farm, but was unsure how long this would take.
Work is still ongoing, and investigators are examining all Anders Behring Breivik’s personal belongings and other items in the area.
Behring Breivik has undergone further questioning following EDL blogger Paul Ray’s discussions with police last week.
by IanEye » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:56 pm
Nordic wrote:And 77 victims? Really? 77???
I haven't been to this thread in a while. But this is getting really stinky, this story.
IanEye wrote:
by semper occultus » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:38 am
Anders Breivik's spider web of hate
An analysis of the Norwegian killer's manifesto reveals the online network that features in his paranoid universe
Andrew Brown
guardian.co.uk
Wednesday 7 September 2011 16.04 BST
The Guardian has mapped the webpages Anders Breivik links to,
and those pages that link back to Breivik's manifesto.
Anders Breivik's manifesto reveals a subculture of nationalistic and Islamophobic websites that link the European and American far right in a paranoid alliance against Islam and is also rooted in some democratically elected parties.
The Guardian has analysed the webpages he links to, and the pages that these in turn link to, in order to expose a spider web of hatred based around three "counter-jihad" sites, two run by American rightwingers, and one by an eccentric Norwegian. All of these draw some of their inspiration from the Egyptian Jewish exile Gisele Littman, who writes under the name of Bat Ye'or, and who believes that the European elites have conspired against their people to hand the continent over to Muslims.
As well as his very long manifesto, Breivik also laid out some of his thoughts on the Norwegian nationalist site Document.no. In his postings there, Breivik referred to something he called "the Vienna school of thought", which consists of the people who had worked out the ideology that inspired him to commit mass murder. He named three people in particular: Littman; the Norwegian Peder Jensen who wrote under the pseudonym of Fjordman; and the American Robert Spencer, who maintains a site called Jihad Watch, and agitates against "the Islamisation of America".
But the name also alludes to a blog called Gates of Vienna, run by an American named Edward "Ned" May, on which Fjordman posted regularly and which claims that Europe is now as much under threat from a Muslim invasion as it was in 1683, when a Turkish army besieged Vienna.
All of these paranoid fantasists share a vision articulated by the Danish far-right activist Anders Gravers, who has links with the EDL in Britain and with Spencer and his co-conspiracist Pamela Geller in the US. Gravers told a conference in Washington last year:
"The European Union acts secretly, with the European people being deceived about its development. Democracy is being deliberately removed, and the latest example being the Lisbon Treaty. However the plan goes much further with an ultimate goal of being a Eurabian superstate, incorporating Muslim countries of north Africa and the Middle East in the European Union. This was already initiated with the signing of the Barcelona treaty in 1995 by the EU and nine north African states and Israel, which became effective on the 1st of January, 2010. It is also known as the Euro-Mediterranean co-operation. In return for some European control of oil resources, Muslim countries will have unfettered access to technology and movement of people into Europe. The price Europeans will have to pay is the introduction of sharia law and removal of democracy."
Spencer's jihadwatch.org is linked to 116 times from Breivik's manifesto; May's Gates of Vienna 86 times; and Fjordman 114 times.
Spencer and Geller were the organisers of the protest against the so-called 9/11 mosque in New York City. They also took over Stop Islamisation of America, a movement with links to the EDL and to a variety of far-right movements across Europe. Of the two, Spencer is less of a fringe figure. He has been fulsomely interviewed by the Catholic Herald in this country and praised by Douglas Murray of the Centre for Social Cohesion, who called him "a profound and subtle thinker". Damian Thompson, a leader writer on the Telegraph, once urged his readers to buy Spencer's works, especially if they believed that Islam was "a religion of peace". Last week, Spencer's blog re-ran a piece from Geller's Atlas Shrugged website claiming that Governor Rick Perry, the creationist rightwinger from Texas, is actually linked to Islamists via Grover Norquist, the far-right tax cutter whom Geller claims is "a front for the Muslim Brotherhood". Geller also once republished a blogpost speculating that President Obama is the love child of Malcolm X.
As well as the "counter-jihad" websites such as Spencer's and May's, analysis of Breivik's web reveals a dense network of 104 European nationalist sites and political parties. Some of these are represented in parliaments: Geert Wilders's Dutch Freedom party; the French National Front; the Danish People's party, the Norwegian Progress party (of which Breivik was briefly a member before he left, disgusted with its moderation); the Sweden Democrats. Others, like the EDL, are fringe groupings. Then there are those in between, such as the Hungarian far-right party Jobbik. But they range all across Europe. They are united by hostility to Muslims and to the EU.
One place where these strands intertwine is the Brussels Journal, a website run by the Belgian Catholic MEP Paul Belien, a member of the far-right Vlaams Belang party. The British Europhobic Conservative MEP Daniel Hannan appeared for three years on the Brussels Journal's masthead. Hannan has since denounced the European neo-fascist parties as not really rightwing at all.
To appear on this list is not to be complicit in Breivik's crime. Peder "Fjordman" Jensen was so shocked by it that he gave himself up to the police and gave an interview to a Norwegian paper in which he appeared genuinely bewildered that his predictions of a European civil war should have led anyone to such violence.
It is still more unfair to blame Melanie Phillips. Although she was cited by Breivik at length for an article claiming that the British elite had deliberately encouraged immigration in order to break down traditional society and she has written that "Bat Ye'or's scholarship is awesome and her analysis is as persuasive as it is terrifying", she has also argued, with nearly equal ferocity, against the "counter-jihad" belief that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
The world view of the counter-jihadis echoes that of the jihadis they feel threatened by. The psychological world of the jihadis has been described by the British psychiatrist Russell Razzaque, who rejected recruitment by Hizb ut-Tahrir when he was a medical student. It is not just a matter of a black-and-white world view, he says, though that is part of it. "It's a very warm embrace. You felt a sense of self-esteem, a sense of real embrace. Then it gives you a sense of purpose, which is also something you've never had so much. The purpose is a huge one. Part of a cosmic struggle when you're on the right side: you're another generation in the huge fight that goes back to the crusades."
This clearly mirrors Breivik's self-image. What makes him particularly frightening is that he seems to have radicalised himself, just as jihadis do, before he went looking for advice and guidance on the internet. But he was able to take the last few steps into mass murder all alone, so far as we know. Jihadi groups also withdraw from the world into a cramped and paranoid universe of their own. Suicide bombers such as the 9/11 and 7/7 groups spent months psyching each other up before the crime, talking obsessively for hours every day. But Breivik, though he withdrew from society to his farm, seems to have spent his time alone with the internet. It allowed him to hear his own choir of imaginary friends, and hear inside his head their voices cheering him on to murder and martyrdom. Here they are, mapped.
by Peachtree Pam » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:07 am
13 September 2011 Last updated at 15:42 GMT
Norway local elections: Breivik's old party suffers
Norway Attacks
The anti-immigration Progress Party once favoured by right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik has lost a third of its vote in local polls in Norway.
Mr Breivik, who killed 77 people in a bomb and gun massacre seven weeks ago, was once a member of the party.
With nearly all votes counted, the opposition Conservatives had the biggest gains, taking 28% compared to 19% in 2007.
The governing Labour Party - targeted by Mr Breivik - made smaller gains.
It increased its vote share by two points, to reach nearly 32%.
However, it saw its coalition ally the Socialist Left Party (SV) drop from 6% to 4%, compared to the 2007 local election results.
Mr Breivik has confessed to killing 77 people and injuring 151 on 22 July, in a bomb attack on government offices in Oslo and a shooting spree on the island of Utoeya, where the Labour Party youth wing was holding a summer camp.
Breivik effect
Mainstream politicians had urged voters to show their contempt for the far-right at the polls, held over two days, Sunday and Monday.
Local election results 2011
* Labour Party 31.6% (2007 - 29.6%)
* Conservatives 28% (2007 - 19.3%)
* Progress 11.4% (2007 - 17.5%)
* Centre Party 6.8% (2007 - 8%)
* Liberals 6.2% (2007 - 5.9%)
* Christian Democrats 5.6% (2007 - 6.4%)
* Socialist Left 4% (2007 - 6.2%)
* source: Norwegian government website
The populist Progress Party, which has campaigned to tighten restrictions on immigration, saw its support fall to 11.4% from 17.5% in 2007.
Its leader, Siv Jensen, blamed the poor result on national revulsion over the attacks by Mr Breivik, a former member of her party.
The party has distanced itself from Mr Breivik's actions and extreme views.
Analysts say a sex scandal earlier this year may have also cut into the party's support.
They say the Conservative Party is now well positioned to challenge the Labour Party at the 2013 general election.
"The Conservatives are the big winners," said Haavard Narum, political columnist at the newspaper Aftenposten.
He attributed the party's best result in local elections since 1979 to voters who had abandoned the Progress Party.
Before the July attacks, the Labour Party had been expected to lose ground in the vote, but in fact made gains of 2%. Analysts said this may have been because of a sympathy vote, or endorsement of the way Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had handled the tragedy.
With SV suffering losses proportionally as heavy as Progress, its leader, Kristin Halvorsen, announced she would step down early next year.
Columnist Mr Narum said the departure of the SV leader could shake the Labour-led coalition, which also includes the Centre Party.
However, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he felt "secure" his government would last until 2013.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 161 guests
