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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:04 pm

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Do we have a Syria thread? I know there are other possibilities, but so far I've put all Arab uprising developments (except for Libya) here.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/world ... anted=2&hp

September 8, 2011
In Shift, Iran’s President Calls for End to Syrian Crackdown

By NEIL MacFARQUHAR

For years, posters celebrating the decades-old alliance joining Syria and Iran festooned the streets and automobiles of the Syrian capital — the images of Presidents Bashar al-Assad and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad embroidered with roses and daffodils.

But that alliance is now strained, and on Thursday, President Ahmadinejad of Iran became the most recent, and perhaps the most unexpected, world leader to call for President Assad to end his violent crackdown of an uprising challenging his authoritarian rule in Syria.

When the Arab Spring broke out, upending the regional order, Iran seemed to emerge a winner: its regional adversary, Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, was ousted from power and its most important ally, Syria, was emboldened.

But the popular demands for change swept into Syria, and now, as Mr. Assad’s forces continue to shoot unarmed demonstrators, Iran sees its fortunes fading on two fronts: its image as a guardian of Arab resistance has been battered, and its most important regional strategic ally is in danger of being ousted.

Even while it has been accused of providing financial and material support for Mr. Assad’s crackdown, Iran has increased calls for Syria to end the violence and reform its political process, a formula Tehran apparently hopes will repair its image and, if heeded, possibly bolster Mr. Assad’s standing.

“Regional nations can assist the Syrian people and government in the implementation of essential reforms and the resolution of their problems,” Mr. Ahmadinejad said in an interview in Tehran, according to his official Web site. Other press accounts of the interview with a Portuguese television station quoted him as also saying, “A military solution is never the right solution,” an ironic assessment from a man whose own questionable re-election in 2009 prompted huge street demonstrations that were put down with decisive force.

The collapse of the Assad government would be a strategic blow to Shiite-majority Iran, cutting off its most important bridge to the Arab world while empowering its main regional rivals, Saudi Arabia and its increasingly influential competitor, Turkey, both Sunni-majority nations. Iran would also lose its main arms pipeline to Hezbollah in Lebanon, further undermining its ambition to be the primary regional power from the Levant to Pakistan.

Not long ago, Iran and its Arab allies like Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, were seen as folk heroes to many Arabs for their confrontational stance toward the United States and Israel.

But Iran has suddenly found itself on the wrong side of the barricades.

“Assad’s heroic image of resistance is being watered down,” said Vali Nasr, a professor at Tufts University and the author of “The Shia Revival: How Conflicts Within Islam Will Shape the Future.” “That’s the problem for Iran and for Hezbollah. They are trying to find out how to have their cake and eat it, too.”

Demonstrators clogging the streets from Tunisia to Egypt to Syria are demanding freedom and democracy, forcing Iran to openly struggle with the problem of how to endorse the revolutionary spirit while simultaneously buttressing its crucial strategic Arab ally.

“They don’t fit into the framework of toppling dictators and democracy and all that,” said Paul Salem, director of the Carnegie Middle East Center in Lebanon.

Yet many analysts say that the Iranians have tried to play both sides of the barricades, supporting their allies in Syria with all manner of aid while simultaneously voicing support for the revolutions elsewhere, initially calling them the offspring of their own 1979 revolution.

“It is mostly for the Arab gallery, rather than a tangible policy shift,” said Cengiz Candar, a prominent Turkish columnist. “In terms of the Syrian opposition, there is nobody Iran can stand on in case the regime is replaced.”

Iran has been helping Syria with everything from money to advice on controlling the Internet, analysts say, offering its expertise to help stave off the catastrophe that Mr. Assad’s collapse would be for Tehran’s regional ambitions. Aside from propping up Syria with billions of dollars, it has pressed others, including Iraq, to support Mr. Assad.

Syrian protesters take it as a matter of faith that security forces from both Iran and Hezbollah have been drawn into the fray, trading cellphone videos that are said to show Hezbollah fighters streaming across the border in black S.U.V.’s.

Given that the Assad government has had about 40 years to perfect the instruments of repression, most analysts believe that it does not really need men or much advice from the outside.

But in its ever more stringent sanctions against Syria, the European Union included the Quds force of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, accusing it of providing “technical assistance, equipment and support to the Syrian security services to repress civilian protest movements.”

Analysts are convinced that behind the scenes the Iranians are pushing for a tough line, suggesting that their repression of the 2009 democracy protests in Iran is the model to follow.

“Iran calling for Syria to dialogue rather than use force against its population is akin to Silvio Berlusconi telling Charlie Sheen not to womanize,” said Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who is a sharp critic of the Iranian leadership.

Analysts say the scale and the duration of the protests in Syria just became too great for the Iranians to ignore, and yet they still try.

“Muslim people in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Yemen and other countries are in need of this vigilance today,” the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said in a recent sermon marking the end of the holy month of Ramadan. “They must not let the enemies hijack the victories they have gained.”

Then he talked about the oppression of people in Bahrain — which is mainly Shiite — before moving on to the famine in Somalia.

On the other hand, the constant focus on the potential repercussions of the uprisings clearly shows that Iran’s leaders are worried. Not least among their worries is that the protests could set off renewed demonstrations at home, although aside from some environmental protests in the northwest, nothing significant has been reported.

There is also an increasingly vocal school of thought in Iran that says it has too much vested in the Assad government. Among other things, it has allowed regional competitors like Turkey, a largely Sunni country, to advance at the expense of Shiite Iran. The Iranians’ minority status across much of the Arab world can make their religious credentials suspect to the majority — who might accuse them of being a force for sectarianism.

“The reality of the matter is that our absolute support for Syria was a wrong policy,” Ahmad Avaei, a member of Parliament, told the Web site Khabar Online. “The people protesting against the government in that country are religious people, and the protest movement there is a grass-roots movement.”

At stake is Iran’s image in the wider region, and its ability to add teeth to its claim to be upholding Arab and Muslim interests in confronting Israel.

“Iran wants to be perceived as the voice of the downtrodden in the Middle East, the one country that speaks truth to power,” Mr. Sadjadpour said. “Their close rapport with the Assad regime undermines that image.”


Anne Barnard contributed reporting from Beirut, Lebanon; Heba Afify from Cairo; and Artin Afkhami from Boston.


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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:17 pm

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BREAKING: Al Jazeera Mubasher Egypt's office in Cairo stormed by the authorities now! . #Egypt #AlJazeera

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Egypt security forces raid unit of Al Jazeera

CAIRO | Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:07pm EDT

(Reuters) - Security officers raided the offices of an Al Jazeera channel in Egypt and detained some of its staff, the Qatar-based broadcaster said on Sunday, describing the move as an attempt to drive the channel off the air.

State news agency MENA said it had shut down a company that provided facilities to the channel Al Jazeera Mubasher (Live), which broadcasts live international events. MENA said the Al Jazeera unit did not have a proper license.

Since it was launched in 1996, Al Jazeera has become the highest-profile satellite news broadcaster in the Middle East. It has frequently had difficulties with governments in a region where media have traditionally been tightly controlled.

Under ousted President Hosni Mubarak, Egypt often harassed Al Jazeera. Egypt briefly shut down its operations in January, accusing it of inciting the protests that toppled Mubarak on February 11.

"Interior ministry officers, employees from the television and radio union and employees from the cultural control authority entered our offices ... and started saying things that I think were an attempt to close the channel," said Ahmed Zain, who heads Al Jazeera Mubasher in Cairo.

Zain said several of those responsible for broadcasting at the channel had been detained.

"We continue on our journey in transmitting what is happening in Egypt to the Egyptian viewer," he said. "As for licenses, we have been applying for licenses for a long time, since the channel was set up, and are ignored whenever we ask about them."

MENA quoted an official as saying the offices of Al Jazeera's main Arabic news channel, and its English-language channel Al Jazeera International, were operating freely.

A firm called Unique Media Production, which sublets its premises to various satellite channels including Al Jazeera Mubasher, had been closed down, it said.

A security source said several other channels had been shut on Sunday because they did not have a license or for breaching professional codes.

(Reporting by Shaimaa Fayed; Editing by Peter Graff)

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:08 pm

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This is very bad.

I would think that Al Jazeera doesn't get raided just to harrass Al Jazeera. An attempt to get the main foreign broadcaster sympathetic to the revolution in Egypt off the air would almost certainly be the prelude to a general crackdown. As we all know, the people have yet to complete the revolution. Their great success was in forcing the regime to flush its own dictator of 30 years, and they've made important steps since in partly taming the autocracy's civilian party and interior ministry, but at bottom the regime was always a military junta and that military junta remains in place with the same men in command. The fall of Mubarak was not just a show, it was absolutely forced and the junta did not want to take charge directly and expose itself; they may be sincere in their efforts to transition to a civilian democratic formality, long as they remain in charge of key policy and of their own economic empire, and long as they remain immune from prosecution for their own indisputable participation in a criminal regime. But ultimately these interests are not compatible with justice, either criminal or economic, or the legitimate demands of the revolutionaries for a genuine rights-based popular rule. In the last few days we have seen the Mubarak trial court call for testimony from Tantawi and the Armed Forces Council, followed by the storming of the Israeli embassy (at least as things appear from here) and a renewed declaration of emergency. The storming of the most important independent foreign media outlet in Egypt is a significant escalation that implies the generals are going all-in on a crackdown. And this with only a month or two left before the prospective elections, which still have not been organized and which still see We've all said it at various points in this thread, but it appears the real moment of truth is imminent. A renewed civil public uprising or an uprising within the army's ranks may now cause the generals to give way to a civilian revolutionary transition, the best possible outcome. If a crackdown is executed and succeeds, and the revolution is forced underground, it will no longer be the same revolution. Overthrowing the regime would then mean something closer to civil war, and in history that usually means the end of social revolution as military logic takes charge. The winners of such conflicts are necessarily hard men, regardless from which side they emerge. Of course, it can also be that the moment has not yet come; crises can go into a kind of standoff or suspended animation where neither side wants to risk the ultimate move, but such a phase would almost certainly be a question of weeks, not months.

But what do I really know? I'm not Egyptian, I'm not even an area expert; my best knowledge is of general political dynamics. Let's go to Sand Monkey for a far more upbeat view, written three days ago, and looking three to five years ahead:


Lest you forget

September 8, 2011 By The Sandmonkey 23 Comments

There is a general feel of malaise and melancholy affecting jan25 protesters, for they feel as if they have accomplished nothing: that the SCAF has halted the revolution and ended it, and it was all for naught. Now this kind of talk infuriates me, not because of its self-pitying whiney nature from otherwise strong people, but because it’s categorically not true. Let me count the ways:

1) I’ve been in this since 2005, from the Blogosphere old guard, and for 6 years me, alongside of the others I’ve worked with, were simply trying to get the people to get one idea into their heads: If we all, as people, get together in big numbers, and go to a public square protesting, we will bring down the President. That he is not the inevitable, immovable, god-like figure we made him up to be. And we accomplished that, pressuring Mubarak enough to bring him down. This is the first time in 7000 years of continuous tyrannical rule that Egyptians managed to depose their ruler by their own hands. That’s a change in a 7000 year behavioral pattern of eat. Think about that.

2) Historically, Egyptians have always succumbed to the violent actions of whatever internal security force that runs Egypt, foreign or domestic. Up until the revolution, people were discounting the nation that Egyptians, even if they are out in numbers, would ever win a face-off with the police, always citing the 77 riots, and how 2 million Egyptians went to the streets and were beaten up by the police despite their size. Jan25 has also reversed that trend forever, by beating up the police every single time they have faced them, to the point that in order for the police forces to get into and take back Tahrir, they have to be there in the protection of the army forces. The memory of 77 is replaced and erased forever; for now we pity the police more than anything. This, historically also, has never happened in 7000 years.

3) Being under tyrannical rule for this long, Egyptians also grew apathetic to whatever it is that the government does, and got used to not being part of the decision-making process. Now, they are embedded with the idea of democracy, voting, and having their voice count. I don’t think any of you realize how many people will head to the polls this election, with some estimates pointing towards up to 80% voter turnout. This is unprecedented, and unlikely to go away. The days of voter apathy are over. We did that.

4) Also, in the history of this great nation, never was there an incident where Egyptians held their rulers accountable. Now, we have not only removed the president, we have also put him on trial. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Kangaroo court; the historical precedent is there, not just on a local, but on a regional level. This has NEVER happened. We are now the people that removed their president and put him behind bars on trial. Think about what that means before you discount it. We not only created history, we have changed the narrative of this country forever.

Some will respond that this is well and good, but we haven’t accomplished our goals, to which I respond that this is normal, because, let’s face it, we were not ready. What happened is of such magnitude that we chose not to truly believe it, to the point that we are willing to revert to the notion that this is of no significance, and that we accomplished nothing. And not only were we not ready, we also made mistakes, specifically because we weren’t prepared at all to take on the military institution that secretly runs this country. But this might not even be our fight. We have brought the country thus far, and are still pushing, but the real game is 3-5 years down the line, when the newer generations emerge. Three days ago I went to the meeting of Students for Change, which is a group of 16 year olds amongst various school that wish to reform the educational system, and organizing their fellow students all over Egypt, and have a plan to do so. Those are 16 year olds who learned from us, are organizing themselves, and will soon enough become a force to be reckoned with. Can you imagine what they will do when they turn 21?


All you old Westerners should keep in mind the median age in Egypt is 24, so the young are the majority and this insight is much more significant than it might seem in Europe or the US.

There are generations to come that will carry this out & will never repeat our mistakes. This revolution is only the start, and it won’t end until the equation is balanced, even if we lost steam for now. And we should also know that we will get there, but we just won’t do that at our time table. We were overly ambitious, hoping to change 30 years of corruption and institutional disintegration in a few months. It doesn’t work like that, but we managed to get the country to take the big leap forward in the right direction. We are simply not all there yet. And we are not aided by the state the country is in after 30 years of Mubarak’s rule, for he left the country’s foundations in such a horrible condition that brought it to the fragile shape that it is in right now. Those who accuse you that you did this to the country are either morons or liars, claiming that you broke something that was already broken, and completely ignoring that what you aim to do, more than anything, is to fix it. And we will get there, because really, what other choice do we have?

And if you believe we will never be able to bring down the military rule of Egypt and turn it into a real civil state, well, 6 years ago, we, a tiny minority started chanting “Down with Mubarak”, which no one dared to do before, while the rest of the country looked at us as aliens; 6 years later we as people pressured him down. Now, we are breaking the taboo of chanting against the SCAF and military rule, which was even a bigger taboo than chanting against Mubarak. Do you see where this is going? We have started deconstructing the military state, and sooner or later we will get them to back off, and maybe, just maybe, remind them that they work for us, and not the other way around. This day will eventually come, because the process has started, and all we need is time, and time is on our side.

Please understand, this is not an invitation to stop, or not go to Tahrir on 9/9. This is your country, and protesting is your blood-earned right, so don’t let anyone dissuade you from exercising it if you believe that it’s necessary. This is an invitation to give yourselves some credit. Our generation, for better or worse, forever changed the history of this country. Be proud of that.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:23 am

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And now the latest is that Tantawi postponed his court appearance today. And this:


Egypt says to toughen emergency laws

Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:30pm GMT

* Toughening laws follows attack on Israeli embassy
* Laws used as plank of former President Mubarak's rule
* Minister says will shoot in an attack where lives threatened

By Andrew Hammond

DUBAI, Sept 11 (Reuters) - Egypt's military rulers outlined on Sunday new areas where they would use long-standing emergency laws, citing activities such as blocking roads, publishing false information and weapons possession, the state news agency said.

Interior Minister Mansour el-Essawy also warned on Egyptian state TV that police would open fire on anyone who attacked the Interior Ministry or police stations who was considered to be a threat to police lives.

The toughening of the emergency laws comes after protesters attacked the Israeli embassy and a police station last week, leading to clashes with riot police in which three people were killed and more than 1,000 injured.

The state news agency said a decree would be issued to start voter registration at the end of this month, before parliamentary elections, following calls for swift transfer of power to civilian rule. It did not give a date for the vote.

The agency said the law, in place since ousted leader Hosni Mubarak came to power in 1981, would be used to combat "violations of national and public security in the country, and funding that, possession of weapons and ammunition, trading in them, and bringing, exporting or trading in drugs".

It would also be applied against "thuggery, aggression against the freedom to work, sabotaging factories and holding up transport, blocking roads and deliberately publishing false news, statements or rumours".

Egypt has seen months of protests and strikes since Mubarak stepped down, hurting an already fragile economy. Police continue to maintain a thin presence on the streets which Egyptians say has led to an increase in crime.

In his comments on television, the interior minister said: "We won't allow anyone to attack the Interior Ministry or any police station ... According to the law, we will resist if there is any danger to lives, we have to to use weapons."

"If there was a danger to a building or those present inside the building, we will confront with bullets," Essawy said.

The government said on Saturday it would reactivate the emergency laws, which were renewed for six months in April. They allow authorities wide powers of detention and transfer to military and other special courts.

The laws played a major role in social and political repression of Mubarak's rule and removing them has been a core demand of protesters since the uprising that ousted him from power in February.

Hafez Abu Saeda, chairman of the Egyptian Human Rights Organisation, said the announcement raised the possibility that the ruling military council would extend the laws into the period when parliamentary elections are due to be held.

The government is due to hold polls sometime this year, probably in November, but no firm dates have been announced.

"The emergency law gives the authorities power to do a lot of things and transfer people to trials," he said. "But now they will focus on these areas and they will be tougher." (Editing by Elizabeth Fullerton)

© Thomson Reuters 2011.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Plutonia » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:11 pm

Jack, hazarding a guess, I'd say the raid at Al Jazeera has to do with the documents liberated from the Israeli embassy?


But if this, below, is true - and note the absence of link to the cited cable...
A recent cable released by WikiLeaks reveals that the managing director of the al-Jazeera network has had relations with the US government officials.


According to the cable released on August 30, the US government has previously had a say in what content to appear on the al-Jazeera website.

The cable documents a meeting in 2005 between al-Jazeera's Managing Director Wadah Khanfar and the US government officials, referred to only as PAO.

PAO met with Khanfar to discuss a report by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) on al-Jazeera and its “disturbing website content,” according to a section of the cable.

The cable also revealed the response by the network's chief to the 2005 meeting.

“Khanfar is preparing a written response to the DIA points from July, August and September which should be available during the coming week. Khanfar said the most recent website piece of concern to the USG has been toned down and that he would have it removed over the subsequent two or three days,” read the cable.

In a recent development, al-Jazeera's offices in Cairo were stormed by the Egyptian security forces on Sunday, according to its staff. The incident happened after the Qatar-based network aired live footage of the clashes between police and protesters at the Israeli embassy in Egypt on Friday.

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Then it may be an attempt by Egyptians to protect themselves from US/Israeli covert ops.

Also, I don't know if this got posted here yet, but Israel is facing it's own populist uprising:

Israel PM pledges action after mass protests

By Sara Hussein (AFP) – Sep 4, 2011

JERUSALEM — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged "real" economic change on Sunday after massive nationwide protests that broke Israeli records and prompted questions about the future of the social movement.

Speaking to his cabinet after an estimated 450,000 people turned out for demonstrations across the country seeking lower living costs, Netanyahu said his government was determined to carry out effective reforms.

"The government I head is committed to execute real changes to alleviate the cost of living and fix social distortions," he said.

He pointed to his decision to form a committee headed by respected economist Manuel Trachtenberg to examine the demands of the six-week-old protest movement, which has shown unprecedented staying power, tapping into deep frustrations.

"This is a serious committee and it will submit to us serious recommendations," he said.

"Never has there been in Israel a committee that held an open and serious discourse with thousands of citizens."

The prime minister repeated previous warnings that his government would not approve spending that risked throwing Israel into an economic crisis, but he pledged to "safeguard the economy and fix what needs fixing."

His comments came after record-breaking numbers of Israelis took to the streets in cities across the Jewish state for protests that were billed as a way of revitalising the social movement, after something of a lull.

Commentators hailed the demonstrations, but also described them as a turning point for the movement, questioning where it would go now.

Gideon Levy, writing in the left-leaning Haaretz newspaper described the demonstrations as "historic", writing that "the last of the complacent decided that they, too, had to show up."

"One day, the students will learn that on this momentous evening a civil society was born in Israel," he wrote.

For most commentators, the size of the demonstrations was proof that the movement continues to draw support from across Israeli society.

"The entire social protest has succeeded greatly. It changed the public agenda and proved to the government that the public is not willing to take everything lying down," wrote Nehemia Shtrasler in Haaretz newspaper.

But Shtrasler warned that the movement now stood at a crossroads, where it must decide whether to advocate sweeping reforms that are unlikely to win government support, or more limited economic changes.

"It is the dilemma between those who want revolution and those who want evolution."

Writing in the mass circulation Yediot Aharonot newspaper, one of Israel's leading commentators, Nahum Barnea, said the movement "was as much about values as it is about economics."

But he warned that Netanyahu's government was not likely to carry out the sort of sweeping changes that many protesters hoped to see.

"Prices will drop here and there. They already have begun to drop... Being ostentatious has gone out of fashion with them and modesty has made a comeback," he wrote.

"The rest belongs to the deep undercurrents in Israeli society. The sense of power that came to the fore in the tent encampments and the demonstrations isn't going to disappear," he added.

"The tents are going to be taken down, but nothing from this summer will be lost as a result."

Writing in the Maariv daily, Aviad Pohoryles agreed that the effects of the protest movement would be felt for years to come.

"It is unclear whether an alternative leadership with talents and abilities will rise up from this group... or whether a new political force is on the rise that will pulverise the fossilised coalition of the past," he wrote.

"Either way, the result of the next elections will be different from the result of those past."

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:45 pm

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seemslikeadream wrote:Thanks Alice....I knew I'd get the story straight from you


Well, now you've made me feel guilty, because I didn't actually provide the story. In a nutshell, I'll try to do so now:

The Egyptian people rose up to make a revolution whose slogan was: "Freedom, Dignity, Economic Justice." The Egyptian people had enough of a regime in which a brutal police state, the law, the nation's resources and the media were nothing more than tools deployed to serve the greed of a small minority at the expense of the people and the country itself. They dreamed of a free Egypt, independent and proud, allied with other free states rather than subservient to Western imperial vultures, via the vampiric IMF and World Bank. Above all, they wanted a government that represents them, that they can be proud of, one that represents justice both domestically and in the international arena.

Faced with a nation-wide popular revolt and signs that it was beginning to spread within the armed forces, Egypt's top generals, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) decided to jettison Mubarak and formally align themselves with the revolution's demands. Much celebration ensued.

Since then, it has become painfully clear that the regime has not changed at all: despite having many golden opportunities and a strong popular mandate to do so, the SCAF has done nothing to change the system that was designed to condemn the majority to grinding poverty by funneling the nation's wealth into the hands of a few. Fifty percent of the country's wealth remains in the hands of one percent of the people. Egypt has more than 50 million poor people and 150 multi-billionaires, most of whom acquired their wealth through corrupt deals with the regime, only a half-dozen of whom are now being investigated. The country's assets and resources are being still being stripped so that billions of dollars can siphoned out of the country each year to foreign banks and firms. Egypt's gargantuan apparatus of repression, the State Security and the Central Security Forces (which some have dubbed "Egypt's Army of Occupation"), continue to torture, kidnap, terrorize and otherwise operate in exactly the same way as they did under Mubarak. Torturers and killers have been transferred and in some cases promoted.

Intimidation and repression of the media under the SCAF's rule remain s.o.p. The SCAF reneged on its promise to lift the state of emergency within 6 months, a period that ended in mid-September. Its generals rule by absolute decree, pulling laws out of their collective ass, anti-democratic laws tailor-made to ensure that the servants of the old regime, along with the Muslim Brotherhood, sweep the coming "democratic" elections. They studiously ignore the ensuing howls of protest, banking on the upcoming "democratic" elections to supply the veneer of legitimacy that they currently lack.

Why and how did the SCAF think it could get away with it? Their trump card was the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists, with whom they cut a deal, believing that the latter could control and "deliver" the masses. Saudi and other Gulf money has been flooding Egypt, and the state media, some privately-owned media and Gulf-owned networks like Al-Jazeera (Qatar) and Al-Arabiya (Saudi Arabia) and a slew of new private tv channels have been deployed as propaganda outlets for the Islamists. That's not including the dozens of new, Saudi-funded satellite channels that are feeding the public a steady stream of fanaticism mingled with praise for the SCAF.

Unfortunately for them, they underestimated the people's determination, especially that of the nation's workers and peasants and youth, who altogether form the vast majority of the population. The period following the ouster of Mubarak has seen all these groups organizing themselves to an extent unprecedented in the nation's history, and escalating the popular pressure on the ruling SCAF through increasingly angry demonstrations, massive labor strikes and consciousness-raising across the country. As they did before and during the revolution's first phase, they've relied on word of mouth, the internet and alternative media to exchange information and mobilize. Opportunists that they are, even the Muslim Brotherhood have begun turning against their SCAF partners, while doing their best not to burn their bridges, especially as more and more young Islamists defect to the other "side".

As a result, tensions are extremely high between the SCAF and the old/new regime it represents, backed by the US, Israel, the Saudi and other Gulf states and other reactionary forces, and the revolutionary forces who are resolved to achieve the revolution's objectives or die in the effort. The more they persevere, the more repressive the regime becomes, escalating the tension and isolating itself still further. The talk on the street now is of "Phase II". I don't see any sign of either side backing down.

To be continued...



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Nordic wrote:Did I read a month or two ago that the "new" Egyptian government had borrowed a whole ton of money from the IMF and/or The World Bank?

A journalist told me when I was there last week that the Military had refused the loan: not wanting to saddle an as yet unformed 'new' government with the debt/ against their long term strategic interests.

A quick search:

"The Higher Council of the Armed Forces, Egypt’s de facto ruler, was not impressed with assurances that the loans were “without conditions”, and General Sameh Sadeq told the government to cancel the loan, with its “five conditions that totally went against the principles of national sovereignty” which would “burden future generations”. Finance Minister Samir Radwan complied and hastily negotiated funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia (countries with their own agendas for Egypt’s revolution) to plug the remaining hole. The spurned lover, the IMF, and its sidekick the World Bank, were not pleased. The latter said it would have to “review” its financial plans for Egypt."

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/07/egypt-vs-imf-time-to-default/
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/15014/Business/Economy/Official-statement-Military-council-against-IMF-lo.aspx

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tazmic wrote:Btw, OMG the traffic!


Yeah, duh. It's been that way since Sadat's time.

BTW, I was in Tahrir Square yesterday -- hundreds of thousands showed up, most of them marching from miles away to join the protest by late afternoon/early evening. According to friends who stayed until around 10pm, the number of protesters kept growing, and some decided to turn it into a sit-in before police violently dispersed them and occupied the square to prevent protesters from coming back.

It's hard to believe how shocking it was, only a few months ago, to hear any chants against the Armed Forces Council. Yesterday the posters, the chants, expressed real and widespread rejection of their rule. They've managed to turn pretty much everybody against them, even the opportunists who struck a deal with them and who are now swimming away like rats abandoning a sinking ship.

Sean Penn was there too (though I didn't see him):

    Sean Penn joins Egyptians in Tahrir Square protest

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    Actor and activist Sean Penn, right, walks with Egyptian actor Khaled al-Nabawi, center, as they join Egyptian protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square.

    updated 9/30/2011 10:49:21 AM ET


    CAIRO — Actor Sean Penn joined thousands of Egyptian activists who packed downtown Cairo on Friday demanding that military rulers speed up the transfer of power to civilians and end emergency laws once used by Hosni Mubarak against his opponents.

    Local media said Penn, holding an Egyptian flag, walked with Egyptian actor Khaled el-Nabawi in Tahrir Square, where Egyptians demonstrated in what they dubbed as "Reclaiming the Revolution" day amid growing discontent over the way military rulers had managed the transitional period.

    "The world is inspired by the call for freedom by the courageous revolution of Egypt for its freedom," Penn said in remarks carried by Al-Ahram newspaper's online page.

    "Clearly that is not a completion overnight, there are still struggles forward, there are constitutional issues, there is ... a transition of power from the military to the people," he added.

    Nabawi said he had invited the Oscar-winning Penn to visit Egypt as part of efforts to demonstrate that Egypt was a safe place to visit despite the uprising. "We want to show that Egypt is safe," Nabawi said.

    The military council has announced that parliamentary elections will start on November 28 with a mixed system of proportional representation and individual lists. Most political groups fear the system will allow Mubarak supporters to return to office.

    "This week is different because we feel that our revolution has been stolen from us," said Yasser Fouad, an unemployed 38-year-old, his voice drowned out by loudspeakers urging people to ensure the protest remained peaceful.

    "None of our demands have been achieved. We want them to hand over power immediately through elections," Fouad said.

    Mahmoud Sayyid Saif, 58, who works at the Health Ministry, said Egyptians would no longer put up with inaction. "It has been seven months, and nothing has been achieved," he said.

    The ruling military council has warned demonstrators against attacking public facilities, but soldiers and security forces stayed away from the square.

    The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest political force, said on its website that it would not join the protest. But social media websites said many youths vowed to defy the orders from the group's leadership and join the protest.

    Egyptians have grown more vocal in criticizing the military council's handling of the transitional period. Six presidential hopefuls on Thursday issued a statement demanding that the council set March as the deadline for handing over power.

    They also declared that the state of emergency legally expired on Friday. The military council has said it will stay in force until next year.

    "The state of emergency in place now will come to an end on September 30, 2011, in accordance with article 59 of the constitutional decree, and any decision or judicial ruling issued after September 30, 2011 based on the state of emergency will be null of any legal or constitutional legitimacy," the presidential candidates' statement said.

    They also demanded reactivation of a law dating back to the 1950s that criminalizes abuse of office, to make it possible to try remnants of the Mubarak regime and "render them incapable of sneaking back to the seats of the legislative authority."

    Some 60 political parties issued a joint statement earlier this week with similar demands. They also gave the military council until Sunday to amend election laws to allow political parties to also compete for seats allocated to individuals.

    Egypt's Al-Akhbar newspaper reported on Friday that the government was considering the request.

    Thousands of Egyptians also marched in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria and in the city of Suez. Witnesses said the protests were peaceful. Link
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:11 am

The Egyptian regime has, for the second time in days, raided Al-Jazeera's direct transmission channel devoted to Egypt. The Egyptian regime has no problem with Al-Jazeera's other channels, including the mother channel, Al Jazeera Arabic, and Al Jazeera English. After the fall of Mubarak, all the channels were transformed into little more than propaganda channels reflecting the policies of Gulf Monarchies, which, among other things, promoted Egypt's ruling junta and the Islamists, led by the Muslim Brotherhood. Not coincidentally, Donald Rumsfeld now declares himself "delighted" with the channel.

Why Al Jazeera Direct Egypt? For the same reason that I watched it regularly, while hating its blatant bias. Because 24 hours a day, it transmitted live from Egypt, meaning that all sorts of stuff got broadcast before it could be edited out. It's the only channel that has camera crews in place all over Egypt to cover events as they happen. Clearly, this is intolerable to the Powers That Be. Last time, they arrested only the engineer responsible for the direct transmission. On both occasions, they confiscated the satellite uplink equipment.

There's a bright side to this: by raiding the channel that was so valuable to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian regime has stupidly alienated its co-conspirators in the plan to hijack Egypt's revolution. This is a good thing.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:18 pm

If indeed the #OccupyWallStreet uprising has been inspired by the Egyptian experience, then it behooves me to post this as a warning. Though it contains major inaccuracies and omissions, it also contains enough truth to make for painful reading (with the caveat that the situation is very, very volatile and nobody can predict what will happen).

It might seem premature to ask this question now, but it's really not: what if #OccupyWallStreet succeeds in getting record numbers of Americans to rise up? What then?

    Egypt's revolution youth on the backfoot as parties steal limelight
    The January 25 Revolution youth appear to flounder as political parties grab the attention following Saturday’s meeting with Egypt’s military rulers
    Hatem Maher, Sunday 2 Oct 2011


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    The January 25 Revolution youth have dominated the political scene since the eruption of the popular uprising at the outset of the year, but they were put on the backfoot Saturday after parties, old and newly-formed ones, sat down with Egypt’s military rulers to address several current issues.

    The likes of the Freedom and Justice Party, which was formed by the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, the liberal Wafd Party and dozens of other groups met military Chief of Staff Sami Anan, who represented the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), to voice concerns over headline-grabbing topics.

    The controversial elections law, the lack of a definite timetable to hand over power to an elected civil authority, and fears that corrupt politicians might be able to sneak into power again topped the agenda.

    Although SCAF released a statement to respond to the persistent demands of recurrent protests, political parties were accused by revolution groups and activists of giving large-scale concessions that were not agreed upon.

    “The revolution and the Egyptian people have not taken any benefit from today’s statement,” the 6 April Movement, which played a key role in orchestrating protests that eventually toppled former president Hosni Mubarak, but stands accused by authorities of stirring unrest, said in a statement on its Facebook page.

    “The SCAF offered only a limited response, making promises with no timetable to fulfill them. We have to be united; we should not be divided by any accusations. We should not accept the few rights which they offered us,” the group said.

    SCAF said it would amend the controversial Article 5 of the elections law, which stipulates that two-thirds of the seats in parliament would be won on a party list system and the rest allotted to independents.

    The amendment should allow party members to contest seats allocated for independents, a move designed to prevent former members of the defunct National Democratic Party (NDP) winning seats in the new parliament.

    SCAF also promised to consider lifting emergency law and introducing legislation to ban former NDP members from running for seats in the next parliament.

    Although it did not set an exact date for presidential elections, analysts say the process SCAF announced for parliamentary elections and the drafting of a new constitution is likely to delay the new president's swearing-in until 2013.

    Quoting late Egyptian President Mohamed Naguib, the first leader following the overthrow of King Farouk in 1952, renowned activist Wael Ghonim said “Whoever accepts to give up his rights would never be respected.”

    Complaints to no avail

    Micro-blogging website Twitter and social networks were flooded by messages condemning the perceived concessions political parties made during the meeting, which was held after parties threatened to boycott the upcoming parliamentary elections.

    But it seems that such complaints are being voiced to no avail, with parties gaining the upper hand after leapfrogging the likes of the Revolution Youth Coalition and 6 April Movement in the influence they exercise over SCAF’s decision-making process.

    Friday’s demonstrations in Tahrir attracted thousands of protesters but, compared to previous million-man marches, numbers have notably declined as the enthusiasm of many appeared to have waned.

    SCAF only reacted when the main groups and parties, including the Muslim Brotherhood, said they might abandon the elections, a threat that could plunge the country into deep political turmoil.

    “The outcome of the meeting was positive to a large extent because we discussed the roadmap and the exact dates for the ongoing political process,” Emad Abdel-Ghafour, president of the Salafist El-Nour Party, said in a television interview.

    “The military council underlined again that it is committed to handing over power to a civil administration.”

    Political participation

    The revolution's youth might pay the price for opting to organise protests at the expense of engaging in the mainstream political spectrum.

    Many analysts called on them to establish political parties following their successful role in dethroning Mubarak, but they seemingly chose the easier path to Tahrir, which they thought would remain more effective.

    Many people now fear that the youth who were branded as heroes after autocratic leader Mubarak left office on 11 February will have no significant role to play in the future of Egypt.

    “Gathering crowds for a million-man demonstration is much easier than raising political awareness among the people,” director Amr Salama, whose documentary, Tahrir 2011: The Good, the Bad and the Politician, won a UNESCO award at the Venice International Film Festival, said last month.

    “Calling for a sit-in is much easier than promoting an idea or a principle, and lifting a banner is much easier than helping poor people. We have to remember that our protests in the streets are an exception, because there is no real democratic process and no ballot boxes. We have to exert efforts to convince the majority to follow us in our demands via a valid democratic process.”

    The question will be now whether the revolution youth can redeem themselves and go neck-and-neck with established political parties, who are often accused of caring only for their own interests. Link
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Political parties divided after some sign document in support of military council
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Political parties and movements across the spectrum are deeply divided over the meeting on Saturday that gathered Armed Forces Chief of Staff Sami Anan, the second highest ranking member of the Supreme Council of Armed Forces (SCAF), with representatives of 15 out of 50 of Egypt's political parties.

The participants, including al-Sayed al-Badawy, chairman of the Wafd Party, and Mohamed Morsy, head of the (Muslim Brotherhood's) Freedom and Justice Party, signed a statement following the meeting in which they expressed their support for the ruling military council, a move that infuriated other political actors.

“This is a game, " said Ola Shaba, an activist from Egypt's leftist Popular Socialist Coalition Party. "The SCAF wants to tell people that political forces support its visions and agree on its timetable. The reality is that the SCAF is in a major dilemma since it runs the country with the old tactics of [former President Hosni] Mubarak.”

Some activists expressed their frustration online, creating Facebook pages attacking the political parties that participated in the meeting. One of those pages entitled “Those Parties Don’t Represent Me” said that the document is simply a “document of submission” to the SCAF.

Almost eight months since the generals came to power after the ousting of Mubarak on 11 February, activists have accused the military of following many of the same hated practices of the Mubarak regime, including the referral of thousands of civilians to military courts, the application of rigid media censorship and, notably, making key political decisions without consulting anybody.

In the meeting, Anan proposed a timetable for the military generals’ exit from power and the handover to an elected civilian president.

Anan also proposed some concessions, such as amending the electoral law in order to allow political parties to run for the one-third of parliamentary seats allocated for individual candidates, in addition to the other-two thirds devoted to a list-based system.

He also said that the SCAF is deliberating the idea of abolishing the Emergency Law and the amendment and application of the Treachery Law, which would criminalize various acts of political and financial corruption and the misuse of political power. Many revolutionary forces have been calling for the law to be implemented, as it would provide an opportunity to prosecute many members of the Mubarak regime.

Political powers and revolutionary groups have cast doubt over the proposed timetable, accusing the SCAF or trying to divide the political forces in the country.

On Friday, thousands of Egyptians flocked to Tahrir Square to protest against the SCAF and its insistence on applying the Emergency Law, which was used as a tool to suppress dissent under Mubarak.

Revoking the notorious law has been a core demand of revolutionaries, along with other demands that would pave the way to a democratic country, such as amending a controversial electoral law, accelerating the transitional period by holding the presidential elections immediately after the parliamentary poll, and placing a legal restriction on former members of the National Democratic Party (NDP) running for political office for a number of years.

Anan’s concessions, however, are not enough for many activists.

“The SCAF didn’t make any concessions. They amended the electoral law, which was widely criticized by the whole political spectrum. So this isn’t a concession. It a return to the normal standard,” said Tarek al-Malt, spokesman of the Wasat Party, a moderate Islamist party.

Critics also say that having a document signed by 13 political parties doesn’t represent the whole political spectrum.

On Saturday, a number of political movements and parties that were excluded from the meeting sharply criticized the military council.

They said that most of the parties invited to the meetings were "cartoonish," and did not participate in the revolution.

Ahmed Maher, the coordinator of the April 6 Youth Movement, fiercely criticized the political parties that accepted the SCAF’s invitation, saying they were the same parties that supported Safwat al-Sherif, former secretary general of the NDP, before the revolution.

He added that most of these parties used to attack the young protest movements before the revolution.

Some political forces such as the hardline Islamist Jama'a al-Islamiya said that the SCAF is being too selective inviting groups for talks.

Tarek al-Zomor, spokesman of the Jama'a al-Islamiya told Al-Masry Al-Youm that “most of the political parties are losing faith in the SCAF, which insists on not revoking the Emergency Law.”

"The SCAF is running the country in the same way that Mubarak did,” he added.

Furthermore, the document has caused division between political parties that have a religious background, since it gives approval for the official declaration of "supra-constitutional" principles.

Presidential hopeful Mohamed ElBaradei was the first to call for adopting “supra-constitutional” principles in order to guarantee the civil nature of the state. Major Islamist forces, notably the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafi movement, have sharply rejected the idea.

However, the document signed in Saturday’s meeting states that the signatories agree to draft a separate document outlining “supra-constitutional principles,” as well as criteria by which to select members of the committee responsible for drafting the upcoming constitution.

That the Freedom and Justice Party and Salafi Nour Party agreed to these principles could be a problem for the parties’ grassroots, who reject the idea having pre-determined principles for the constitution.

“This is a major setback for those parties, since they didn’t consult their grassroots over this core issue. Islamic forces have agreed on rejecting any pre-prepared constitutional principles. The constitution should be drafted by the committee after electing the parliament,” said Malt.

Some political parties that signed the document have faced quick internal divisions.

The document included a paragraph that says that the signatories declare their full support for the SCAF and they appreciate its role in protecting the revolution.

The Adl Party only signed the document after wide internal criticism, leading to the resignation of around 30 members. Mostafa al-Naggar, the party’s representative at Saturday’s meeting, later wrote on his Twitter account that he retracted his approval of the document.

Mohamed Abu Alela, a member of the Arab Democratic Nasserist Party, also attended the meeting and signed the document. However, the party's chairman, Sameh Ashour, issued a statement on Sunday, saying that his party had not officially attended the meeting and that Abu Alela had not been authorized to represent the party, making his signature void. Link
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“It’s part of the culture in Egypt that foreign borrowing is associated with the loss of sovereignty and a negative impact on the economy,” Mohamed Abu Basha, Cairo-based economist at EFG-Hermes Holding SAE, Egypt’s biggest publicly traded investment bank, said by e-mail.
The argument still has some resonance today. Repayments of $24.6 billion on external debt between 2000 to 2009 show that Western loans “act to extract wealth from Egypt’s poor and redistribute it to the richest banks in North America and Europe,” Adam Hanieh, lecturer at the School of Oriental and Africa Studies at the University of London, wrote in May in Jadaliyya, an online magazine specialized in Middle East studies.
Still, borrowing from institutions such as the IMF “is likely to take place,” EFGHermes’ Abu Basha said. “The IMF and the World Bank are among the cheapest sources of financing and they are more reassuring. It gives a positive message.

Egypt May Be Forced to Seek $3 Billion IMF Loan It Rejected

(Reuters) - Christians clashed with military police, leaving at least 24 people dead in Cairo, and the cabinet called an emergency meeting for Monday, vowing the violence would not derail Egypt's first election since Hosni Mubarak was toppled.

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Postby Allegro » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:07 am

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Thanks, tazmic. Bumped to add more of the story.
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(Reuters) - Christians clashed with military police, leaving at least 24 people dead in Cairo, and the cabinet called an emergency meeting for Monday, vowing the violence would not derail Egypt's first election since Hosni Mubarak was toppled.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/10/10/idINIndia-59793920111010
Reuters | By Dina Zayed and Edmund Blair
CAIRO | Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:50am IST

    Christians clashed with military police, leaving at least 24 people dead in Cairo, and the cabinet called an emergency meeting for Monday, vowing the violence would not derail Egypt's first election since Hosni Mubarak was toppled.

    Christians protesting about an attack on a church set cars on fire, burned army vehicles and hurled rocks at military police who they said used heavy-handed tactics against them. It was some of the worst violence since the February uprising.

    The violence casts a shadow over the imminent parliamentary election. Voting starts on on Nov. 28 with candidates due to begin registering during the week starting on Wednesday.

    The clashes also added to growing frustration among activists with the army who many Egyptians suspect wants to keep hold of the reins of power from behind the scenes even as it hands over day-to-day government. The army denies this.

    "This is a dark day in the military's history. This is betrayal, a conspiracy, murder," Magdy el-Serafy wrote on Twitter where he and other Egyptians voiced frustration at the army's handling of the protest.

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    Christians, who make up 10 percent of Egypt's roughly 80 million people, took to the streets after blaming Muslim radicals for partially demolishing a church in Aswan province last week. They also demanded the sacking of the province's governor for failing to protect the building.

    Tensions between Christians and Muslims have increased since the uprising. But Muslim and Christian activists said the violence on Sunday was not due to sectarian differences but was directed at the army's handling of the protest.

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Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:10 am

I wasn't going to write about this now, being in deep mourning, along with almost everyone I know. But I have to respond to the horrible, unprofessional reporting of the article posted above, about what has happened.

For me, it all began on Friday, September 30, when I was having lunch with a friend who is a major activist with the April 6 Movement. She received a telephone call informing her that a church near Edfu, in Aswan (over a thousand kilometers away), had been torched and was being demolished by "salafists", and that neither the army nor the police were willing to interfere. There was nothing she could do, but she did ask the caller to film and photograph the perpetrators and find out as much as he could about them.

As the news began to spread, the much-hated Governor of Aswan, who is a perfect specimen of the Mubarak regime that produced him, came on tv and lied, saying that the church had no building permit and that regular citizens from the neighborhood were "justifiably provoked". He accused the Copts of illegally transforming a "guest house" into a church. In fact, the church had existed as a church since 1940 and had all the necessary permits for the renovations that were being undertaken (transforming it from a wooden structure into a cement one).

The governor had demanded that the church be demolished and threatened to do it himself. A salafist cleric had interpreted this as an invitation to get a few willing men to do the job. A couple of dozen fanatics joined him, first torching the church, then nearby homes and businesses, and then proceeding to demolish the church.

In response to this latest attack against a church, and against the backdrop of repeated violence against Copts, ALL of it directly caused by the government, which is still overwhelmingly composed of criminal elements closely associated with the Mubarak regime, hundreds of Copts decided to organize a peaceful march in Cairo, joined by many Muslims, including human rights activists. The first march, last Wednesday, was violently dispersed by military police and army soldiers, who beat the protestors, some very badly. The video of the beatings was widely circulated and provoked shock and outrage.

A second, much bigger protest, was planned for Sunday. Many of the women wore black and carried candles, and most of the protesters held up wooden crosses. Their demands included the sacking of the governor, the arrest of the criminals who demolished the church, and for the long-promised "Unified Law for Houses of Worship" that had been repeatedly shelved for more than 30 years.

The protestors were divided into two groups: one was gathering downtown in Maspero, in front of the massive state television & radio building, and the other was marching from Shubra, a large suburb of Cairo, toward the others at Maspero. The organizers asked for and received the necessary permits for the march in advance, and submitted detailed plans for the route and time frame and the expected number of protestors to the military.

As the protesters gathered in Maspero, the march from Shubra went on without a hitch, until it reached a particular tunnel on the way. As the marchers emerged from the tunnel, they were surprised by a group of thugs standing on the street above the tunnel's exit, and pelting them with rocks. The thugs were silent and seemed to be performing a job. Some of the protesters were injured, but they managed to continue until they reached Maspero.

Once the two groups of protesters merged, the Central Security Forces surrounded them and began to hit them, at first with just fists, but soon these were joined by thugs armed with sticks. The protesters fought back, and the Central Security Forces and thugs withdrew. The protesters were just breathing a sigh of relief when army soldiers drove in on armored trucks, shooting live bullets as they went. Several protesters were killed immediately and many more were wounded. Then the real massacre began: the armored trucks began to deliberately run over protesters, driving at high speed right into the crowd.

At least 24 protesters were killed by the armored trucks, some were decapitated, others were pulverized, every bone in their body crushed. There were bodies without legs, or without arms. I believe some of the images can be found here. I don't have the stomach to look at them myself.

At that very moment, the government media was announcing that armed Christian demonstrators had violently attacked the army and murdered three soldiers, and the announcer on state tv was exhorting people to take to the streets and "defend our army, our patriotic army that protected the revolution, and which has refused to fire one bullet against an Egyptian citizen, even to defend itself."

In response to the blatant incitement to violence (which is a crime under Egyptian law) by Egyptian state tv, several youths armed with knives and clubs went out into the street and began to attack the surviving demonstrators. In the latest figures from the Ministry of Health, more than 300 protesters were wounded, including many in critical condition, and at least one had his head split right open, his brains spilling out.

At the same time this was happening, two private television stations were attacked by army police: 25January TV, a channel formed after the fall of Mubarak and run entirely by revolutionary youths, and the American Al-Hurra. In the offices of Al-Hurra, they demanded that the channel stop broadcasting immediately, which it did, while in the offices of 25January TV, soldiers pointed loaded guns at tv presenters and reporters while others smashed computers, TVs, other electronic equipment, smashed doors and windows and trashed the offices.

Meanwhile, the media continued in full attack mode, insisting that 3 soldiers were killed by the "armed Christians" and that the Copts were trying "to destroy the country" for their own selfish goals. Pushing the provocation up a notch further, the "news" was circulated that Hillary Clinton had threatened to send in American troops "to defend Christian houses of worship".

After the massacre, some of the surviving demonstrators began throwing rocks at army trucks and cars, and set two cars on fire. Egyptian state tv found only these images worth broadcasting, rather than the carnage that had preceded them.

It's shocking to me how many people here still get their news from the state media, despite its dismal record as a cheap propaganda mouthpiece for whatever tyrant happens to be in power. Still, thanks to Youtube and Facebook and Twitter and the excellent, brave reporting by a few conscientious journalists, notably Ibrahim Eissa of Tahrir TV and Yosri Fouda of ONTV, the truth is slowly emerging.

One of the demonstrators killed was Mina Daniel, a Copt, and one of the young January 25th revolutionaries. As he was dying, he asked that his funeral march start in Tahrir Square. In the early hours of this morning, his dying wish was fulfilled, and thousands of mourners, Christian and Muslim, joined one of the most moving funeral marches I've ever seen. The second mass funeral (the first was held in the morning) in the Coptic Church's main cathedral last night was heartbreaking: 17 coffins, the enormous cathedral packed to overflowing with shattered mourners. The service was interrupted several times by widespread chants, which none of the media chose to air, showing only the prayers and cutting the sound when the people yelled out their anger at the country's military rulers.

Yesterday and today, a number of state tv announcers have tried to justify their murderous incitement, claiming that they didn't know any better, and that they were "following orders". Some of them now even claim that there were in fact no soldiers killed at all. The only photos and videos we've seen on state tv show only a half-dozen lightly wounded soldiers trying to look like pathetic victims as they hold up their bandaged hands, etc. While the sickening images of dozens of wounded and dead demonstrators have been widely circulated, and while their identities are known, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces released a statement late last night, saying that in order to prevent any further provocation, they will not be releasing the names of the "dead" soldiers. Instead of the military funerals that one would expect if there had really been any soldiers killed, there have been none. In Egypt, funerals take place within 24 hours of death, at most 48 hours later.

The media and Egypt's military dictators have tried to portray this as an unfortunate "sectarian conflict", trying to divert attention from their own primary responsibility for deliberately stoking such a conflict. As though the problem is that Muslim and Christian Egyptians can't get along, and therefore need the army to keep them from each others' throats, when the exact opposite is true. Fifteen civilians, all of them Copts, have been arrested by the army, accused of "attacking and destroying military property" and are now facing military trials.

Secondly, this particular case is NOT a sectarian problem, but a cold-blooded, premeditated massacre of peaceful, unarmed civilians by an army. This is a war crime, no less. The families of the victims, and the victims themselves, know exactly who to blame: not "the Muslims" as the propaganda says, but over and over and as loudly as possible: THE ARMY.

This is a black day that will live on in infamy. Never, in Egypt's thousands of years of history, has the nation's own army attacked its citizens. Yet in the 8 months since the January 25th revolution broke out, we have discovered that, like our government and so many of our vital institutions, our own army has been infected by the Mubarak virus and been turned against us.

As they say, a picture, in this case a video, is worth a thousand words. Tell me whether this looks to you like "sectarian clashes" between civilians, with the army trying to restore calm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0cZESV ... r_embedded
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby stefano » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:13 am

Thanks Alice. I'd wondered why the protesters had called for the governor's resignation, if it was a question of a village church.

It's shocking to me how many people here still get their news from the state media, despite its dismal record as a cheap propaganda mouthpiece for whatever tyrant happens to be in power.
And as I'm sure you know MENA's releases are what the international wire services pick up, that's where those of us in the rest of the world get our news too.

Do you know of any blog or text-based source in English that's good for news about Egypt?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:31 pm

stefano wrote:...I'm sure you know MENA's releases are what the international wire services pick up, that's where those of us in the rest of the world get our news too.


MENA is full of shit. The announcer who is now being widely condemned for broadcasting inflammatory lies and for inciting sectarian violence, defended herself by claiming that she was only reading the news exactly as it was being issued by MENA.

stefano wrote:Do you know of any blog or text-based source in English that's good for news about Egypt?


I'm afraid most of my news sources are in Arabic, mainly because I don't believe anything completely until I see or hear it myself, so I tend to watch a lot of independent tv news and current event shows, where video clips and interviews, etc., are shown.

That being said, there are some English sources on the internet that I regularly check:

Ahram Online: I know; shockingly, it's a state-owned, online newspaper. The others are terrible. But it's inexplicably good, maybe because it has a diverse staff, including some very well-known Leftists.

Al Masry al-Youm: Another pretty good source of up-to-date news.

For far less professional, but often much more interesting and informative coverage of events in Egypt, I regularly read Egyptian Chronicles. It's also the only site other than RI where I occasionally comment as well.

I used to not like The Arabist (though he lives here, he's not Egyptian, and he used to have an annoyingly American-centered perspective on everything) but after the revolution he's been doing a great job covering events in Egypt.

Finally, for some refreshing and plugged-in analysis that usually helps me to avoid utter despair, I like Rantings of a Sandmonkey by the indomitable Mahmoud Salem.
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Postby stefano » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:44 pm

Thanks Alice. I've been checking Al Masry Al Youm from time to time; I'll put the others in my bookmarks too.
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