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Postby jingofever » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:21 pm

No doubt I am spending too much time on this, but one last bit on Broken Arrow. According to imdb.com, the movie was filmed in 1949. A Jimmy Stewart biography has it being filmed in the spring of that year. Unless the title was changed (conceivable, given the source material), I don't think this movie had anything to do with a nuclear weapon being lost the next year.
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Broken Arrow redux

Postby robert d reed » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:59 pm

There you go...making it difficult, with an accurate chronologic record.

from an earlier post, above:

And what about the Rod Stewart song?


fyi: that particular "piece of the puzzle" was first written and performed by songwriter and musician Jaime Robbie Robertson.

I don't know if Rod Stewart has written any of his own material since he was front man for the Faces.

Robbie Robertson is part-Iroquois, incidentally. And part-Jewish, just in case any of you are "keeping score."
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Does the code name 'Broken Arrow precede the first accident?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:58 am

jingofever wrote:No doubt I am spending too much time on this, but one last bit on Broken Arrow. According to imdb.com, the movie was filmed in 1949. A Jimmy Stewart biography has it being filmed in the spring of that year. Unless the title was changed (conceivable, given the source material), I don't think this movie had anything to do with a nuclear weapon being lost the next year.


A number of scenarios are possible, none of which rule out the 1950 movie as Keyword Hijacking plus the many accidents by 1956 make the TV show starting that year KH-probable anyway.

Scenarios-
1) The title could be changed to match need - just a western until events create a need for cover on 2/14/50 (maybe earlier) and the title is chosen.

2) Did the assigning of a code name for a nuclear weapons accident precede the first one?
That would make sense. That's the whole point of having code names, isn't it? Got to have a code for the eventuality so you aren't radioing "uh, the bomb accidentally fell out of our plane. What should we call that?"
Right.

And there are many different code names for variations on nuke accidents-
http://www.cdi.org/Issues/NukeAccidents/accidents.htm
Nucflash
Broken Arrow
Bent Spear
Dull Sword
Faded Giant


Note that these other minutely-detailed definitions haven't been KH, just 'Broken Arrow.'
So it would seem that the nice peaceful meaning implying nicey-nice between whites and Indians as portrayed in the 1957 Golden Book version was chosen for KH precisely to obtain the most opposite meaning of a dreaded nuke accident. Logical.

3) When was the first one really? February 14, 1950 is coventional wisdom. But even that event has different versions.
http://www.ccnr.org/news/news_briefs_56.html
THE DOWNING OF U.S. BOMBER 2075

On Feb. 14, 1950, an American Air Force plane
carrying a nuclear bomb
crashed in the B.C. interior.

Fifty years later,
Canada is still trying to find out
what happened to its deadly payload


Here's a different version of the same accident. Note how many accidents there are in just the several months of 1950 before Jimmy Stewart's movie was released. Think it was any different in 1949? That wouldn't be logical, would it?--
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/issues/accidents/accidents-1950%27s.htm
1950

13 February
U.S.A., Pacific Ocean- A B-36 which developed serious mechanical difficulties on a simulated combat mission, dropped a nuclear weapon from 8,000 ft. over the Pacific Ocean before crashing. Luckily only the weapon's explosive material detonated.
Nothing is known of attempts to recover the nuclear weapon and presumably it is still in the ocean. (The Defence Monitor Vol.X No.5 1981 Washington D.C. "The National Times" 15th March 1981)

11 April
New Mexico, U.S.A. - A B-29 crashed into a mountain on Manzano Base approximately three minutes after take-off. The bomb case was demolished and some high explosive material burned. The nuclear components of the weapon were recovered and returned to the Atomic Energy Commission. (The Defence Monitor - Vol.X No.5 19981 Washington D.C. "The National Times" 15th March 1981)

13 July
Ohio, U.S.A. - A B-50 on training mission crashed killing 16 crewmen. The high explosive portion of the weapon aboard detonated on impact. No nuclear capsule aboard the aircraft. (The Defence Monitor - Vol.X No.5 1981 Washington D.C. "The National Times" 15/3/1981)

5 August
California , U.S.A. - A B-29 carrying a nuclear weapon crashed on take-off and the high explosive material detonated. (The Defence Monitor - Vol.X No.5 1981 Washington D.C. "The National Times" 15th March 1981)


But the Pentagon has given lists with some accidents only to issue a new list later that omits events that were on the first list and omits some altogether.

Here is a 1981 listing for a documentary on 'Broken Arrows' out of SF public TV-
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E1D81139F93AA35757C0A967948260
They also get the Pentagon to acknowledge that the number of previously admitted accidents, pegged officially at l3, was too low. The new total is 26, plus others that ''cannot be discussed for political or security reasons.''


And all this above means that there's every logical reason to assume that the 1950 Jimmy Stewart movie 'Broken Arrow' was, in fact, a keyword hijacking of a very dangerous psycho-political event which had become rediculously common at the beginning of the nuclear age.

Interestingly, in 1970 there was a strong GI resistance to the Vietnam War and a soldier's newspaper was named after the peaceful definition of 'Broken Arrow' -
http://www.sirnosir.com/timeline/chronology_harassment.html

October 15

* Selfridge AFB - Six women from Detroit arrested for distributing the GI paper Broken Arrow on-base.

October 20

* Selfridge AFB - Staff of Broken Arrow questioned by FBI, concerning the activities of the women arrested on October 15.


If you really want an eye-opener on CIA in Hollywood in the early 1950s-
http://www.iamhist.org/journal/eldridge.pdf
('Dear Owen': The CIA, Luigi Laraschi and Hollywood, 1953)

on edit:
READ PAGE 23 about a 1953 movie involving JIMMY STEWART, ATOM BOMBS, PILOTS. Yes, this CIA Hollywood asset is doing precisely what I suggested only he is using a limited motivation to show the US in a good light to foreign audiences because he is not going to be told what is being covered up. That threatens what is being covered up. Classic 'need-to-know' compartmentalization of assets.

As you read it remember that these are the early years of CIA social science and social engineering. There's been lots of research since and the social instability of the 1960s-1970s radically increased efforts to influence culture even by WWII standards back when the Office of War Information first wrote scripts.

Nowadays there are many more movies in front of our eyes and we watch few of them.
Again, the title is the first level of awareness.
The plot blurb and poster image comprise the next level.
Watching the whole 90 minutes is the next level.

1979- FBI asset-turned CIA Jim Jones formerly of Indiana (like his boyhood friend and CIA torture trainer Dan Mitrione) is liquidated along with Congressman Ryan and the doomed captives of People's Temple in Jonestown.

1981- Hollywood releases the first 'Indiana Jones' movie which recharges the US vs Nazis meme while DEA agent Michael Levine is finding CIA-sheltered death squads in Bolivia with Klaus Barbie still doing his Nazi-ness as a US asset.

1984 - 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom'
The meme mirror is amplified.
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Postby robert d reed » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:10 am

As you read it remember that these are the early years of social science and social engineering.


No, they aren't. "Social engineering" has been around in one form or another since the dawn of human civilization. And the reach of the "social engineers" has always greatly exceeded their grasp. I think this is inevitable...they're operating under a lot of constraints, such as being embedded in what they're attempting to model as if from the outside.

You might say that the hermeneutics of the situation virtually guarantee that the George Hunter Whites of the world will end up in front of a mirror, shooting wax slugs at it with an empty half-gallon of gin beside them.
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Postby jingofever » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:18 pm

Birmingham, a poster at the unexplained-mysteries.com forums, says in this post:

Actually Cat, the term "Broken Arrow" was originated by the U.S.Airforce to designate an airplane crash that involved a nuclear bomb on board. First used by the U.S.A.F. in the early 1950's. Not to indecate a stolen or lost weapon, but the accedent itself.

I do not know where he got this information as he does not cite it. I'll try to find out.
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PROOF.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:12 pm

(trying to edit this into my post for an a hour now so here.)

http://www.iamhist.org/journal/eldridge.pdf
('Dear Owen': The CIA, Luigi Laraschi and Hollywood, 1953)


READ PAGE 23 about a 1953 movie involving JIMMY STEWART, ATOM BOMBS, PILOTS. Yes, this CIA Hollywood asset is doing precisely what I suggested was done in 1950 only he is using a limited motivation to show the US in a good light to foreign audiences because he is certainly not going to be told what is being covered up. That threatens the secrecy of what is being covered up.

Classic 'need-to-know' compartmentalization of assets while they do their job.
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Re: Does the code name 'Broken Arrow precede the first accid

Postby jingofever » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:59 pm

And all this above means that there's every logical reason to assume that the 1950 Jimmy Stewart movie 'Broken Arrow' was, in fact, a keyword hijacking of a very dangerous psycho-political event which had become rediculously common at the beginning of the nuclear age.

Actually none of the above makes it logical to conclude a keyword hijacking. We have no evidence suggesting the title of the movie was ever changed. We do not know when the military adopted the term "Broken Arrow". We know of no incidents prior to February 1950. Nothing points to keyword hijacking.
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Postby professorpan » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:39 pm

Actually none of the above makes it logical to conclude a keyword hijacking. We have no evidence suggesting the title of the movie was ever changed. We do not know when the military adopted the term "Broken Arrow". We know of no incidents prior to February 1950. Nothing points to keyword hijacking.


Agreed. But trying to get the manatee to admit he might be wrong? Good luck with that.

He has a Pentagon Propaganda manual, okay? So whatever he says must be true.
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Postby jingofever » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:32 pm

jingofever wrote:Birmingham, a poster at the unexplained-mysteries.com forums, says in this post:

Actually Cat, the term "Broken Arrow" was originated by the U.S.Airforce to designate an airplane crash that involved a nuclear bomb on board. First used by the U.S.A.F. in the early 1950's. Not to indecate a stolen or lost weapon, but the accedent itself.

I do not know where he got this information as he does not cite it. I'll try to find out.


I got a response from Birmingham saying that he remembers the term while growing up so that is when he dated it. He didn't have anything official. An email to the Reference and Analysis Division of the Air Force Historical Studies Office received the reply:

Like all code words, which Broken Arrow is, the origin is impossible to
trace. Since an arrow is a weapon and if it is broken it no longer can
function as such. Someone just thought it was a great idea. Bent Spear
is the next level before we go back to the arrow influence with Empty
Quiver. Faded Giant, your guess is as good as mine.

Who knows the code name may have come from the movie "Broken Arrow"
which came out in 1950. The time frame would have been right.
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Re: Source of 'Project Blue Book' UFO hoax -Princeton advis

Postby MinM » Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:22 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:A common tactic of disinfo is to redefine important keywords into woo-woo.
Consider the use of keyword hijacking in UFO lore -
>Project Blue Book
>Majestic 12
>Phoenix
>Condor

Beginning in the early 1950s the academics of the Ivy League such as Princeton were regularly tapped for advice on national security estimates called "blue books."

It was 1956 when 'The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects' by Edward Ruppelt, Former Head of the Air Force Project Blue Book was published.

http://www.cia-on-campus.org/princeton.edu/consult.html

Forerunner, April 29, 1980


Panel met secretly in Princeton
Dulles Papers Reveal CIA Consulting Network
by John Cavanagh

....
The precise year that the Princeton Consultants began operations is unclear from the Dulles Papers. A "Princeton Consultants" file first appears in 1961. However, in thirteen identical letters dated October 21 of that year, Dulles thanks each of the Consultants "for what you have contributed to our work here over the years." This language indicates that the group's existence reaches back well into the 1950s. Black confirmed that his membership in the Consultants dates from around 1957.
.....
If Hoover's consultancy began with the Princeton Consultants, then the group's existence stretches back at least to 1953.


This is also probably the source of the '12' in the hoax called "Operation Majestic 12" since the Board of National Estimates was a 12-14 member board with many more academic advisors. Instead a group overseeing the cover-up of alien contact has been fabricated to confuse people.

Thus, the Dulles Papers reveal a direct link between the Princeton Consultants and the Board of National Estimates. Former CIA officer Victor Marchetti in collaboration with John Marks (The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, 1974) describe the Board of National Estimates in 1973 as a 12- to 14-person board with a staff of forty to fifty specialists. It is doubtful that the Princeton Consultants were the Board; rather, they probably formed an adjunct to the "specialists."

The central function of the Board of National Estimates and its specialists was to prepare, each year, some fifty-odd National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) -- called "blue books" -- which, according to Marchetti and Marks (p. 314), "were considered the highest form of national intelligence." Estimates covered such topics as assessment of the "enemy's" intentions in different countries and regions, and foreign military capabilities.
.....
The Marchetti and Marks description indicates that the Princeton Consultants' work could have served as an intelligence base for the series of brutal and often illegal covert operations of the 1950s and 1960s (and possibly also the 1970s) against the democratically elected or constitutional governments of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran (1953); Patrice Lumumba in the Congo (1961); Joao Goulart in Brazil (1964); Juan Balaguer in the Dominican Republic (1965); Cheddi Jagan in Guyana (1962-66); and Salvador Allende in Chile (1973).

JFK and the Majestic Papers: The History of a Hoax
First a Warning

If someone would like to take a good no nonsense look at the history of the MJ-12 documents I advise reading this overview from Phil Coppens. Bar his comments concerning the ‘real MJ-12’ being behind the false documents, it provides another important backdrop for what you shall read herein.

I’d like to point out before we go on that: no, CTKA is not turning into some Fortean organisation. I’m just going to speak a few home truths to some of the more imaginative types out there concerning something very sacred to ufologists. How, since 1947 the CIA rather than starving you from accessing them, have actually force fed you with it.

Like the vast majority of JFK researchers, I am not an ufologist. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone in this area either. Nevertheless, I don’t believe a fake UFO invasion will be used to unite the world under a one-world government. That fake invasion (that the likes of Alex Jones and other conspiracy magnets bleat on about) and that one world corporation have already happened. Because if the mainstream media is prepared to present balanced discussions about UFOs and whether God exists, then surely a balanced discussion covering cosmically irrelevant issues like the potential for a planned murder of a head of state, and a few others aspiring to benefit all humanity, wouldn’t even be a trifle, or even an afterthought at that.

I believe we went to the moon and I’m a believer in the Drake equation, not to mention an admirer of the likes of Greg Bishop, Mark Pilkington, Larry Hancock, Bill Kelly, Robert Hastings (despite his disagreements with Bishop) and (with particular regards to this essay) Phil Coppens. His work, though poorly referenced, does bear up to scrutiny and has been an excellent resource. This is why I’m puzzled that the terminally appalling Nexus Magazine never picked up on him, nor seemed to have learned anything from him, instead being mates with David Hatcher Childress. Thanks to the efforts of those above, I find myself in a comfortable place of 90 percent sceptic and 10 percent ‘open to anything’ as far as UFOs go… okay, maybe 12. I blame this on my discovery of Bob Hastings. Without Hastings’ work in outing the liars involved with the MJ-12 hoax some years ago this field would be all the poorer.

I also admire the above individuals for not falling for the perpetrators of the JFK-MJ-12 documents and their work in outing them. It appears that the Dulles cabal in the CIA created a powerful myth with UFOs that they have since used as a diversion both internally and externally for myriad purposes, not just the obfuscation of secret weapons and aircraft, but have nurtured a powerful social phenomenon. Both the Kennedy assassination and UFOs are massive cultural happenings that pervade practically everything in Western Civilisation. However, for all of this, the Kennedy assassination and UFOs are and will always be two different areas of study, bar sharing some of the same progenitors of UFO disinformation. Sadly, many people have made the mistake of conjoining the two in some mega plot utilising the MJ-12/Torbitt Document/Gemstone Files inspired nonsense.


The Layout of the Essay

Students of the JFK case, like my self have largely ignored the comings and goings on of those inhabiting Zeta Reticuli, and dare I say most of the time, with very good reason. But with regards to this ongoing JFK-MJ-12 mess we really shouldn’t have. This foreword serves to provide something of a backdrop to the madness herein. It’ll give a series of brief and not so brief looks into the current explosion of JFK-MJ-12 hype, the leaches that have fed off it, the origins of said documents, and a clarification of where I stand on the issue of UFOs. More specifically, I shall adress this topic in the following sections:

Preambles I and II seek to provide a backdrop to Scientist Leon Davidson, who made a number of alarming accusations against the CIA’s whipping up UFO mania. In turn, he created a powerful cultural phenomena--picked up by other agencies who know a good thing when they see it--that is to hide, subvert and confuse all manner of issues within and outside of the government. I would like to point out that I am well aware that there is much conjecture on the topics I bring up. I have tried as best I could to provide some antecedent or give a relevant example to any points made. I hope that the reader will appreciate my honesty in this regard as far too many individuals covering this ground mistake their own fantasies and musings for reality (I hope Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell read this). All I aspire to is that in putting this out there to provide a template to work from or to debate.

Part I - Majestic Documents & Marilyn deals with how the current craze has started and who has cashed in on it. But primarily it deals with the Wood’s family’s Majestic Documents group, their use of the bogus documentation surrounding Marilyn Monroe, and their attempts to link her death to Kennedy and UFOs and vice versa.

Part II - Kennedy Killed Over UFOs (and Other Lies) deals with the recent assault on the senses concerning dubious evidence concerning Kennedy’s murder being enacted for sticking his nose in and around the UFO issue. In so doing, I rationally (a key word here) discuss what Kennedy’s interests in the phenomena likely was.

Part III - Lunacy, Loyalty and Failed Lie Detectors returns to the Woods, focussing on denials of Tim Cooper’s wrongdoing in the face of strong evidence to the contrary.

Part IV - Tweedle Dee Rob Meets Tweedle Dee Linda discusses Wood Sr. and his lack of knowledge concerning the basics of Cold War intelligence initiatives, with resident UFO/JFK ‘expert’ Linda Moulton Howe. What’s important about this section is that aside from giving the abdominal muscles a good work out from reading this clueless duo is that (depending on one’s prerogative) it also expands upon some issues pertaining to the MJ-12 stuff mentioned in parts II & III.

(Parts V and VI of this essay embark from a more solid and factual basis established in Parts I to IV, becoming more speculative due to the dodgy nature of the subject and the people involved.)

Part V - A Very Sad Attempt At Making a Rabbit Hole in effect discusses how people unprepared to confront the fact that just because someone is a ‘con’ and has a history of being one, doesn’t mean they aren’t intelligence agency material. In fact it often makes them prime candidates for being so and they are thus particularly effective in disinformation campaigns. There seems to be a total and utter failure in UFO circles to acknowledge that counter intelligence is in itself designed to mislead and misrepresent. Once one realizes that intelligence agencies like to ‘cut it both ways’ then looking over scraps from them loses its lustre. It's not a rabbit hole after all, the hole doesn’t even exist, but well you fell into it anyhow. Nevertheless, it discusses the extremely dubious company the originator of the documents has kept. Not too, mention how one well-known figure in the MJ-12 drama has absurdly escaped a great deal of scrutiny.

Part VI - Gus Russo, Phone Home! is effectively a continuation of Part V and discusses how outcasts from the JFK scene like Gus Russo have made homes for themselves in a field all to willing to be taken in by the ‘next bright thing’. In many ways it’s also the most important chapter of this study as it examines why the JFK community ignored the MJ-12 palaver, but more importantly it explores why ‘truth seekers’ and ‘crank busters’ like Russo and others avoided the JFK-MJ-12 issue altogether and gives an outline of one of the potential targets of this disinformation.

Part VII - The Conclusion is a summary of all that has been covered, in the essay and essentially the bookend to this foreword.

http://www.ctka.net/2011/MJ%2012%20intr ... ulles.html

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black541a.mp3
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