'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:14 am

Six Hits of Sunshine wrote:
I went through an absolute obsessive Mudhoney phase. I thoroughly worshipped that band. Then many years after that obsession had subsided but mere interest had not, I went and saw Mudhoney at a local club. We lined up to go in to the room where the bands would play, and Mark Arm, Danny Peters and Matt Lukin were getting drunk at a table just near the door where we were all lined up. They pointed at my friend and me and said something and started laughing. I think I really grew up at that point. I wanted very much to give it all up and be a stockbroker or something. Kill yr idols.


I rarely ever try to find out more about artists that I like. Artists being artists many are generally crazy or jerks or both. Occasionally I find myself having to give artist or another up because they are fascists or scientologists or part owners of Forbes. Or just insufferable jerks. I'm sorry you had to learn that in person the hard way. :hug1:

I'm hoping you didn't become a stockbroker over that... :zomg
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Six Hits of Sunshine » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:19 am

Twyla LaSarc wrote:
I'm hoping you didn't become a stockbroker over that... :zomg


And let the terrorists win? No way.

Thanks for that post TLaS.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby 82_28 » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:31 am

Somebody decided they would break into the mortuary that Cobain was held at and cut off a lock of his hair. I had a friend who worked at the law firm Courtney "Love" was using to sue this mortuary and they shared a cigarette in the bathroom of the 1000ndth floor of some building downtown to smoke it. Said she was nuts and obsessed. Who the fuck knows what happened to him? He was at the top of his game, like most peeps in this age group who get whacked and have some social standing. Happens every time a death like this goes down. It's always a suicide the next day and they run with it. Time and time again. They blame it on emotions.

Truth, more than likely, is always there was a "mole" in their starstruck lives. Again, happens time and time again. Twyla and I tried to investigate, as I have said in other threads a "suicide" of an old progressive congressman. I feel that there is a connection to all of it. It's just trying to get others with more pull, as it were, on board. Not to just solving crimes, but the full thrust of the "assassins" who have knocked off everybody left and right that they can who might have a thing or two to say, going on thousands of years.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby justdrew » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:54 am

82_28 wrote:Somebody decided they would break into the mortuary that Cobain was held at and cut off a lock of his hair. I had a friend who worked at the law firm Courtney "Love" was using to sue this mortuary and they shared a cigarette in the bathroom of the 1000ndth floor of some building downtown to smoke it. Said she was nuts and obsessed. Who the fuck knows what happened to him? He was at the top of his game, like most peeps in this age group who get whacked and have some social standing. Happens every time a death like this goes down. It's always a suicide the next day and they run with it. Time and time again. They blame it on emotions.

Truth, more than likely, is always there was a "mole" in their starstruck lives. Again, happens time and time again. Twyla and I tried to investigate, as I have said in other threads a "suicide" of an old progressive congressman. I feel that there is a connection to all of it. It's just trying to get others with more pull, as it were, on board. Not to just solving crimes, but the full thrust of the "assassins" who have knocked off everybody left and right that they can who might have a thing or two to say, going on thousands of years.


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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vince » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:50 am

freemason9 wrote:
crikkett wrote:
vince wrote:Lat me ask this question, since I've never really heard this album:
Is "Nevermind" the LAST ALBUM to make an impact on culture and society?

Since, IMO, music has lost any chance of being the wide spread phenomenon it used to have.
Without a doubt, I can believe it being 'important', since it was the 'last one' in what was, at one time, a really exciting form of entertainment: MUSIC!


I think Sublime came out one or two years afterwards, and that truly was a work of art. The only music I've been that excited about since then is either Latin or African, or both.


The Velvet Rope came out in 1997 or 1998, and that was better than anything Nirvana ever did.

My comment had nothing to do with it being BETTER OR WORSE !
I'm only talking about how WELL the album did!
I went, 'Meh" BEFORE "Teen Spirit" was a hit. And, I still say "Meh." to it.
My point was solely making the statement that the 'record album' is no longer the viable barometer on 'youth culture' it once was............. right? :shrug:
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby ShinShinKid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:16 pm

The absolute best live band ever was/ is The Replacements...they had the whole venue rocking and swaying....gotta love Westerberg...
As for Mudhoney...yes, I was in love with them once....but had that happened, I would have started a barfight, dude...smash a glass pitcher full of beer over one's head...fling everclear alcohol over another, and light a fire, mon!
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Laodicean » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:12 pm

Twyla LaSarc wrote:
Laodicean wrote:Image

^ An awesome Seattle compilation album.

And the significance of Andrew Wood's contribution should not go unmentioned. He was huge to the Seattle music movement during that time, and who influenced Cobain greatly.



RIP Andy. He was the friend of a friend and I met him a few times. Nice guy. I saw MLB every chance I got. I'm still trying to locate board tapes, their Polydor release was not at all representative of their music.

If MLB had hit big instead of Nirvana, I think the music world would have been a far different place.




The two disc soundtrack is phenomenal! All live tracks. :thumbsup
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Laodicean » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:14 pm



There is a reason Neil Young worked with Pearl Jam, and not Nirvana. :wink
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:25 pm

:wink:

Young created the title track after his death

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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:56 pm



anyone remember the album? that was important. to me anyway.

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I could be a smack freak and hate society
I could hate God and blame Dad
I might be in a Holocaust, hate Hitler
Might not have a child and hate school
I could be a sad lover and hate death
I could be a neuro and hate sweat
No, I hate my way

I make you into a song
I can't rise above the church
I'm caught in a jungle
Vines tangle my hands
And I'm always so hot and it's hot in here
I say it's alright

My pillow screams too
But so does my kitchen
And water and my shoes and the road
I have a gun in my head,
I'm invisible
I can't find the ice
A slug,
I'm TV,
I hate

A boy, he was tangled in his bike forever
A girl was missing two fingers
Gerry Ann was confused
Mr. Huberty had a gun in his head

So I sit up late in the morning
And ask myself again
How do they kill children?
And why do I wanna die?

They can no longer move
I can no longer be still
I hate my way


edit to add lyrics.

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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby Project Willow » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:57 pm

Laodicean wrote:Image

^ An awesome Seattle compilation album.


I've been hesitating to comment because that record hits too close to home. Stinky K, where are ya, do you still read RI??? Chime in here.

Watched my ex play gigs with, and got drunk with too many of those bands to mention.

The death of Mia Zapata had a profound effect on the music scene in Seattle. Her death, along with Kurt's a year later was like a one-two fatal blow to the scene and so soon after it became blazing hot.

Her mysterious murder gave rise to Home Alive, a non-profit self defense and lefty anti-violence organization. I still have friends I met through Home Alive and it was there, over a decade ago now where, as part of benefit art show, I outed myself as mind control survivor. They were the first to be welcoming of my story.

I don't know when they folded, but it wasn't that long ago. It took 10 years to solve Zapata's murder, which had a few occult overtones.


CZRecords wrote:On July 7, 1993, 27 year-old singer Mia Zapata, a member of Seattle band The Gits, was strangled. Less than two hours before her body was found, she had spent an evening in her local pub - with many friends.

Three years later, the killer has not been found. (This despite national publicity in rock magazines, plus re-stagings on two 1996 "Crimestopper" TV shows). Zapata's community - musicians, artists, writers, actors - even hired their own investigator.

There are songs and paintings and posters about her; but Zapata's real memorial is an organisation. It's called Home Alive, and it came into being with one purpose: to help her community protect itself.

Home Alive was founded by drummer Valerie Agnew, who plays with the band Seven Year Bitch. Says she, "After Mia died, we went on tour, on a tour she would have been part of. I had all the sorrow of her absence. But I also had incredible anger."

Agnew tried to talk this out with other friends, and discovered they, too, felt both fears and conflicts. "We were all like Mia, we were all streetwise. But if it happened to her, it could happen to us."

One thought came back over and over to them: "If she knew how to throw a punch, would she be here?"

So the friends established Home Alive, their initiative towards self-protection. Says one of its founders, Stacey Westcott, "First we tried to check out all the options. Were there self-defense courses already? Were they relevant to our way of life?"

Broadly, the answer was no. Most existing courses were quite expensive. And what they taught opposed the founders' lifestyles. Says Cristien Storm: "We're musicians, artists, actors; we work late at night and don't make much money." Often, like Zapata last said she would, they walked blocks to get a cab or bus.

So, the group created a new agenda, and began to find some different "experts". These recruits were advocates, trainers, lawyers. Once located, some agreed to teach. Now, the Home Alive team has its own instructors.

They hold a range of courses, from anger management and use of pepper spray to the martial arts. Stacey Westcott says that it's mostly basic. "I learned that at my first self-defense class. I hadn't hit anyone since I was six. If someone came at me, what would I really do?"


A bit of music Seattle music trivia: Chris Ballew of the Presidents of The Untied States was formerly in a band called Go, and it was the vernacular at the time to call musicians by their first names and then their band names second, so we called him ChrisGo.
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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:10 pm



still alive...

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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:15 pm





sorry, remembering times, places, friends.

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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:23 pm

one of the best albums to come out of seattle...







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Re: 'Nevermind' Is The Most Important Rock Album of All Time

Postby vanlose kid » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:47 pm

grant hart...



Well, it sinks to the bottom or floats to the top
I avoided policemen when I went to cop
She sang one two three, one two three, come get it now
And I took just as much as my brass would allow
On the main, the main, remember your name
Remember the things you and I became
Reeperbahn, Christiania, Pigalle all the same
On the main, the main, remember your name

She was so crucified by the end of the day
With her head in her hands she decided to pray
Jesus Christ topped the list of the most wanted souls
Like De Quincey he died with his arms full of holes
On the main, the main, remember your name
Remember the things you and I became
Reeperbahn, Christiania, Pigalle all the same
On the main, the main, remember your name

I was smack in the middle of alphabet town
There was life on the corners and death all around
You know hell is the worst place that I've ever been to
The hell that I went through when I stuck it into
The main, the main, remember your name
Remember the things you and I became
Reeperbahn, Christiania, Pigalle all the same
On the main, the main, remember your name

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