#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:39 pm

Plutonia wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:These fights are SO UNBELIEVABLY FRUSTRATING and yet I have this compulsive need to do it for some reason, I just can't stop myself. The insane, super-too-cool hipster snark knee-jerky reactions to every little thing about the occupations is really getting to me. Today it was the fact that the occupiers weren't up early enough while all the morning commuters were passing through.

The Eight Rules

We asked @CynthiaBoaz, a proponent of Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (nonviolent) activism methods, for a set of principles to help guide #OccupyAmerica. She gave us back this series of seven direct messages.

1) Nonviolent discipline, no matter what. Zero tolerance for any violence whatsoever, including verbal.

2) Unity of message & across orgs and people. There should be a consistent message & demands coming out & activists shld know it & share it.

3) There must be a long-term and coherent strategy, not just tactics and actions (no matter how clever) that are not connected in some way.

4) Security forces/police should be seen as potential recruits to movement, not as adversaries. Ultimately they are accountable to the ppl.

5) Keep larger audience (national and international) in mind when framing the message. The goal is to win ppl over, not to alienate.

6) Defensive strategies never win. Don't respond to verbal attacks or hostile propaganda by using the language of the opponent. Reframe.


7) Claim victory whenever possible. It's important for morale and enthusiasm.

8) Keep anger/rage in check with humor and solidarity actions.

http://weoccupyamerica.blogspot.com/

:fawked:


Thanks for the reminder. These people are highly intelligent, many of them working in mental health or education or science / research capacities to some degree. The debates are always rational, right up until the edge of establishing that there is any kind of covert planning or engineering by the power elite. These folks are skeptics to the max. Myopic evangelists for normalcy.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Nordic » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:53 pm

Granted I have no right o complain because I still have not been able to go to the LA protests because I have a family to take care of, but I sure would like to see them actually go down to the bank buildings and protest. City Hall supports them, so I'm curious why they aren't hitting the bank district, which is a short walk away?
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:55 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:
Plutonia wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:These fights are SO UNBELIEVABLY FRUSTRATING and yet I have this compulsive need to do it for some reason, I just can't stop myself. The insane, super-too-cool hipster snark knee-jerky reactions to every little thing about the occupations is really getting to me. Today it was the fact that the occupiers weren't up early enough while all the morning commuters were passing through.

The Eight Rules

We asked @CynthiaBoaz, a proponent of Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (nonviolent) activism methods, for a set of principles to help guide #OccupyAmerica. She gave us back this series of seven direct messages.

1) Nonviolent discipline, no matter what. Zero tolerance for any violence whatsoever, including verbal.

2) Unity of message & across orgs and people. There should be a consistent message & demands coming out & activists shld know it & share it.

3) There must be a long-term and coherent strategy, not just tactics and actions (no matter how clever) that are not connected in some way.

4) Security forces/police should be seen as potential recruits to movement, not as adversaries. Ultimately they are accountable to the ppl.

5) Keep larger audience (national and international) in mind when framing the message. The goal is to win ppl over, not to alienate.

6) Defensive strategies never win. Don't respond to verbal attacks or hostile propaganda by using the language of the opponent. Reframe.


7) Claim victory whenever possible. It's important for morale and enthusiasm.

8) Keep anger/rage in check with humor and solidarity actions.

http://weoccupyamerica.blogspot.com/

:fawked:


Thanks for the reminder. These people are highly intelligent, many of them working in mental health or education or science / research capacities to some degree. The debates are always rational, right up until the edge of establishing that there is any kind of covert planning or engineering by the power elite. These folks are skeptics to the max. Myopic evangelists for normalcy.



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Postby Perelandra » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:16 pm

Got this from a flyer at the protest the other day.

“Occupy Wall Street”: Why the struggle must go beyond occupation
By selfnegation

First of all, let me say I stand in full solidarity with the protesters; your actions have inspired us all and been the cause of some much-needed debate. It takes boldness and initiative to take these first steps, and you should be applauded for doing so. I believe all of you want a better world, a desire that I share with you.

There has been much talk lately of the “goals” of the protest, and much criticism when a clear 10-point program did not emerge. I must disagree with those commentators who complain of the lack of easily-definable “goals”; such a program is more appropriate to a political party than to a grassroots movement. All of you have had different experiences under capitalism, and therefore all of you emphasize different changes which are needed. A list of demands cannot contain the true spirit of the protests, which are quite simply an expression of rage and frustration with the world as it is.

This rage and frustration is the first step. Rage has been brewing in the working class for years now as the trappings of the “American Dream” are stripped away before our eyes and our rulers openly mock the democratic principles which supposedly bound and restrain their power. In the face of this sorry situation you have come together to voice the rage which is latent in even the most conservative of “the rest of us”. This is the first step and you deserve praise for having the courage to make the leap of faith necessary in voicing this rage. You all have seen that our “democracy” is a lie, that the government serves only the rich, no matter which party is in power. You have watched as the poor are ignored and social programs slashed while the bankers and corporations are showered with tax money; tax money which the richest among them do not even contribute to. This situation has lead many of you to see yourselves as attempting to restore “democracy” and the “middle class”.

Here I think you must re-examine your thinking. One cannot restore that which never existed. This democratic golden age you want us to return to only existed in propaganda and wishful thinking. The government has never served the people; it has always served the rulers and the rich. The postwar years of “middle class” abundance were years of abundance only for privileged sectors of the “99%”. This state of affairs was built on the backs of black, Chicano, and Asian workers, as well as underpaid female laborers and poor whites. The creation of a “middle class” was a compromise between the ruling class and a privileged section of the workers, at the expense of others. During World War Two working people never stopped struggling for better conditions of life. 1946 saw the greatest number of strikes of any year in American history. This working class movement was only quelled with the compromises of the G.I. Bill and other social measures by the state. By offering a few privileges to some workers, the rulers prevented deeper, more fundamental change. Now that these privileges have been snatched back and we are now approaching the same levels of inequality that we experienced in the 1920s, people are agitated and angry again.

This is a great thing, and I welcome manifestations of it such as Occupy Wall Street and the other occupation movements that are cropping up across the country. But we cannot simply fight to return to some half-imagined age of middle class abundance and true democracy. If we do, the same mistakes will repeat themselves. The working class, or the “99%” will be divided against itself. The rulers will try to buy some of us off. Those with the most to lose and the least to gain will be inclined to accept this kind of blood money. I speak, of course, of white workers like me, especially those of us who are “middle class”. We have been tricked for hundreds of years into identifying with our oppressors over our class brothers and sisters because of the system of white privilege. White privilege offers us a few incentives to side with the system, but these are nothing compared to the world we could gain through uncompromising struggle. Ultimately we cannot really fight until we are united. If we fight to restore America to the way it was in the 1950s or 1970s we will simply be fighting for a new House of Mirrors. The system has destroyed some of our illusions; let us not reconstitute them.

Let me be clear; electoral reforms, such as preventing money from being considered speech, will not solve our problems. Politicians manipulated and tricked us just fine during the era of campaign donation limits. The abolition of Glass-Steagall did not lead to this crisis. The crisis is an inherent aspect of capitalism, suppressed for decades by the ruling class and now flaring up again. It is rooted in the falling rate of profit and the fact that there are barely any areas left which are untouched by capitalism and can provide growing markets and unlimited raw materials. We are rapidly reaching the social, political, economic, and ecological limits of capitalism. Campaigning narrowly for tax reform, public works projects, and more jobs is like calling for repairs on a burning house.

So I urge all of you who are involved in these protests to question the limits you have imposed on yourself and the assumptions you have made. Question the assumption that “the cops are on our side”; as long as they wear their uniforms and carry their badges they will serve their masters. The brutality that you have experienced at the hands of the NYPD is not an aberration and it is not “shocking”. It is a taste of what happens in ghettos all across America, of what people of color and the very poor face on a daily basis. Question the assumption that the system can be reformed, that a few legislative maneuvers and a few new faces or even new political parties can fundamentally change this system. Question the idea of the “99%”, which implies that the problem is just a few extremely wealthy banks, corporations and individuals on the top. The problem is the system. Abolish the banks and watch as new institutions arise to take their place. Throw the “1%” out on its ass and watch as a new “1%” is recruited and installed.

The occupations are a crucial first step. People have been inspired and have, for the first time in years, begun to seriously question the conditions of their lives. But the struggle must go beyond occupations. It must begin to actively challenge the relationships and social structures that form the sinews of the system. We must carry the struggle into our everyday lives, and fight not solely in the symbolic and political domain of protest. We must carry the struggle into economic territory by uniting with our fellow workers and fighting against the parasitical bosses and landlords who control our lives, as well as the money-hungry banks foreclosing on houses we worked our whole lives to afford. We must struggle in the social territory of our families and relationships to challenge racism, sexism, and homophobia as they divide us and keep us stepping on each other like crabs in a barrel. We must look at the world and question the lies we are sold, lies perpetuated in school, in the media, and in churches. We must begin to think and fight for ourselves as a class without “demanding” anything.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby N8wide » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:17 pm

The irony is that the same elected Democrats singing the praises of Occupy Wall Street are themselves major recipients of money from … Wall Street!

Then there’s House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. “God bless them for their spontaneity,” she said of the protesters a few days ago. “It’s young, it’s spontaneous, it’s focused and it’s going to be effective.” She continued: “The message of the American people is that no longer … will the recklessness of some on Wall Street cause massive joblessness on Main Street.”

In the current election cycle, Pelosi has raised more money — $105,000 — from the securities and investment crowd than from any other industry. In the 2010 cycle, Pelosi and her political action committee took in another $180,000 from the industry. In 2008 it was $243,000, a total that included donations from lobbyists representing Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan.


The congress is bought and paid, my heart leans pretty far left, but these democrats are a hypocritical joke too.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:34 pm

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairp ... ccupie.php

Get Off My Lawn
City Hall Tells Dallas Occupiers to Get Insurance or Else. They're Leaning Toward "Or Else."

At 1:20 this morning Boston police stormed an Occupy encampment in Boston Greenway park, hauled off more than 100 protesters in cable-tie cuffs and tore down their tents.

Everybody in the Occupy Dallas encampment I talked to at about noon today was aware of what just happened in Boston. They're braced for the same thing here if the city tries to toss them out.

A city permit issued late yesterday allows the Occupiers to stay in Pioneer Park near City Hall but requires that they post a million-dollar liability insurance policy by 5 p.m. today. The Occupiers I spoke with told me they think the insurance requirement is bogus, and they don't intend to do it.

They've been talking to lawyers about City Code and First Amendment rights. At their headquarters tent, Michael Prestonise told me: "For special events permitting, their rule is that an event that has over 5,000 people will require a million-dollar insurance policy, and an event that has 2,500 to 4,999 will require a half-million dollar insurance policy."

He said the maximum number of people taking part in the Pioneer Park protest is far below the 2,500-person trigger for insurance. "Since they don't mention anything below 2,500, we are taking the position that it doesn't apply to us," Prestonise said.

The Occupy movement eschews formal leadership, and I got the impression there are diverse opinions about the insurance deal. Another protester in the crowd said to me, "The wisest thing for us to do is to take the legal avenues when we can, and we'll be civilly disobedient when we have to."

The permit issue has more prosaic ramifications than free speech. I asked, "How do you go to the bathroom?" (Sorry, but it happens to be the most common question asked of astronauts too.) Aha. Not easily. Several people chimed in with tips about restaurants, convenience stores and parking garages that have accessible bathrooms. But the city has told the protesters they cannot bring portable toilets into the park without the insurance. I think there may be some people in the movement who would like to get that part of it resolved.

But Reagan Clark, 34, sitting at a laptop in what sure looks like the movement's command tent, told me he believes the city's position on insurance is "untenable" from a First Amendment perspective, and he said they are not going to comply.

"No way," he said. "To ensure that we can continue to exercise our civil liberties we are protesting City Hall indefinitely, and we are encouraging people to phone the mayor's office, email the mayor's office and fax the mayor's office in solidarity with us."

Call me on this when I'm wrong, but I will bet even money that if there's a crackdown, Dallas police will do it the same way Boston did -- wait until after midnight when there is no media presence, give them two minutes, rush in, throw everybody on the ground, cuff them and heave their stuff into a nearby dumpster.

That's just how it's done. It's not necessarily a bad thing for the Occupy movement. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Jeff » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:49 pm

Pele'sDaughter wrote:City Hall Tells Dallas Occupiers to Get Insurance or Else. They're Leaning Toward "Or Else."


It's not civil disobedience until there's actual disobedience. And at sufficient mass, that may not be far removed from insurrection.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby eyeno » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:59 pm

It's not civil disobedience until there's actual disobedience. And at sufficient mass, that may not be far removed from insurrection.


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:19 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:20 pm

Luther Blissett wrote:
Plutonia wrote:
Luther Blissett wrote:These fights are SO UNBELIEVABLY FRUSTRATING and yet I have this compulsive need to do it for some reason, I just can't stop myself. The insane, super-too-cool hipster snark knee-jerky reactions to every little thing about the occupations is really getting to me. Today it was the fact that the occupiers weren't up early enough while all the morning commuters were passing through.

The Eight Rules

We asked @CynthiaBoaz, a proponent of Mahatma Gandhi's satyagraha (nonviolent) activism methods, for a set of principles to help guide #OccupyAmerica. She gave us back this series of seven direct messages.

1) Nonviolent discipline, no matter what. Zero tolerance for any violence whatsoever, including verbal.

2) Unity of message & across orgs and people. There should be a consistent message & demands coming out & activists shld know it & share it.

3) There must be a long-term and coherent strategy, not just tactics and actions (no matter how clever) that are not connected in some way.

4) Security forces/police should be seen as potential recruits to movement, not as adversaries. Ultimately they are accountable to the ppl.

5) Keep larger audience (national and international) in mind when framing the message. The goal is to win ppl over, not to alienate.

6) Defensive strategies never win. Don't respond to verbal attacks or hostile propaganda by using the language of the opponent. Reframe.


7) Claim victory whenever possible. It's important for morale and enthusiasm.

8) Keep anger/rage in check with humor and solidarity actions.

http://weoccupyamerica.blogspot.com/

:fawked:


Thanks for the reminder. These people are highly intelligent, many of them working in mental health or education or science / research capacities to some degree. The debates are always rational, right up until the edge of establishing that there is any kind of covert planning or engineering by the power elite. These folks are skeptics to the max. Myopic evangelists for normalcy.


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:34 pm

Twyla, here's the end of the march that we missed when we peeled off to the Saloon on Saturday.
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I really don't like the production however, the Hollywood-ish music soundtrack... PLEASE, stop telling me how to feel! Grrr.

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:35 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Laodicean » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:19 pm

Rumble from the People
by Ralph Nader

Inside the barricading bubbles surrounding the Wall Street plutocrats and the Washington oligarchs who service them, there must be worry. After three years of disclosed “lying, cheating and stealing” as one prosecutor put it, with nary a visible stir from the masses, suddenly the barricades are beginning to quiver.

Could this “Occupy Wall Street” challenge in New York City that is spreading to hundreds of communities from Prescott, Arizona to Hartford, Connecticut, be the real thing they have dreaded? Could this be the revolt of the multitudes, the “reserve army of the unemployed?”

It is remarkable what a little more than 100,000 Americans, showing up and staying awhile have done in three weeks.

They’re rattling the corporate supremacists. They have become a mass media story with columnists, editorials and cartoonists grinding out the ever increasing commentary.

There is fascination and curiosity about people who call themselves “The 99 percent!” People are organizing their little societies and 24/7 necessities - food, first aid, shelter, legal advice, music, posters - all without leaders.

The demonstrators are deliberately nonviolent but are angry over deep inequities and entrenched greed and power that are impoverishing and harming millions in need, including hungry children and those without health care. The protesters are keeping the pundits and pontificators guessing about their “real agenda.”

Perfect, so far! Keep expanding the numbers of Americans who show up all over, who stay, who discover each other’s talents and the emerging power of the powerless. Go to 300,000, then 800,000, then 2 million and onward. There are 25 million Americans who want work but cannot get it to pay their rent, their debts, their mortgages and their multiplying student loans. While big corporate profits, bosses’ bonuses and tax loopholes for the wealthy proliferate.

Sparked by an urging from the culture-jamming ADBUSTERS magazine from Vancouver, Canada in July, the Occupy Wall Street effort gets more remarkable by the day. It carries the moral outrage and the moral authority of the vast majority of Americans who are excluded, disrespected, defrauded, unrepresented, underpaid and unemployed. The American dream has turned into a nightmare. They are taught to trust as school children the very public and business institutions that have betrayed them, looted or drained their pensions, their tax dollars and their common properties.

Those protesters at the renamed Liberty Park in New York are going into the nearby stores, with other consumers, and paying nearly 9 percent sales tax on their purchases. While the Wall Streeters are buying trillions of derivatives and stocks without paying a penny in sales tax. Taxing Wall Street speculators could produce hundreds of billions of overdue dollars a year from just a ½ percent sales tax on financial speculation.

The Wall Street “occupiers” and their offspring have good picks for their demonstrations. In Washington, D.C. they chose the insidious corporatists at the Chamber of Commerce building opposite the White House. They went before the building that houses part of the military-industrial complex devouring our public budget that President Eisenhower warned us about in his remarkable farewell address in January 1961. (Read it here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm)

It will be only a short time before these resisters point to these multinational corporations’ abandonment of America by shipping jobs and industries to dictatorial regimes abroad that repress their 80 cents an hour workers.

Reporters write with some surprise about this new human energy. Look at all the bystanders in suits or uniforms nodding in support at the posters, the signs and the chants. Washington Post columnist, Patula Dvorak was astonished and observed:

“Every Washingtonian I talked to who stepped out to watch the action in Freedom Plaza - from the security guards to the suits - felt a solidarity with the message.

“The banks. The banks are taking all of us for a ride,” one security guard told me. “And they’re in the right place now, because Congress is behind that.”

Though the Occupy surge is going in the right direction - flipping our corporate government from our masters to our servants - no one knows how far it will go, whether it will retain its burgeoning energy and what the backlash will be from the ruling power structures.

Back in October 2008, when Wall Street was crashing on American investors, workers and taxpayers -- in that order -- our independent presidential campaign held a major rally at Wall Street.

Addressing the New York Stock Exchange, with our participators and their signs, I proposed specific recommendations for law enforcement, a financial transaction tax and accountability for those handling “other peoples’ money.” Few listened.

Now the powers-that-be are starting to listen, because instead of a one day event, they see day-after-day aroused citizens rallying back home and before the perpetrators of the predatory abuses.

When the corporate and political bosses hear the rising roar from the people, they start sweating. Now is time to turn up the heat without pausing.

Visit http://occupywallst.org/ for more information on how to join the movement.


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