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Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:12 am

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-experiments/episode-guide/series-1/episode-1

Derren Brown returns with The Experiments - a brand new four-part series.

Each stand-alone episode asks and answers a single question, featuring the inventive and jaw-dropping Derren Brown mixture of stunts, suggestions and thought-provoking entertainment. These elements are combined with tried and tested psychological experiments to illustrate how easily our behaviour can be manipulated.

In The Assassin, the first show in the series, Derren Brown investigates hypnosis and asks if someone could be hypnotised into killing a celebrity. Is this really possible? And which celeb will it be?
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:31 am

as for the hypno thing, they always say you can't get someone to do something they would normally be totally against, but what if the person also believed the gun was a water pistol?

His The Heist ep was probably similar to this one.

The Heist is a 2006 British Derren Brown television special that aired on Channel 4. In the special, Brown uses the cover of a motivational seminar and documentary to see if he can persuade four members of a group of thirteen businessmen and -women to steal £100,000 in what they believe is a genuine "armed robbery" of a bank's security guard (using a realistic-looking toy gun).

The special was filmed over two weeks, during which Brown used various psychological tools, including conditioning, anchoring and suggestion, to get the group into a mental state in which they would willingly try to rob a security guard, without ever directly being told to do so. The anchoring involved creating an emotional state that combined feelings of invulnerability, euphoria and aggression, that was then tied to various stimuli, such as the colour green, the song "Can You Feel It" by The Jacksons, and the sight of a security guard uniform; which could then all be presented to the participants when it came time to perform "the heist". The participants were also asked to perform various deviant acts, such as stealing sweets from a store, which served both to condition participants to enjoy the feeling of criminality, and to identify the four members who would be most likely to perform the heist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heist_%28Derren_Brown_special%29
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:05 am

I watched this last night and recommend it to the house.

This programme should be sent to the people who form the parole board at Sirhan Sirhan's prison.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby bardobailey » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:23 am

Just finished watching it. How did he get away with broadcasting this? Holy Shit!

Now we are all Sirhan Sirhan.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:40 pm

bardobailey wrote:Just finished watching it. How did he get away with broadcasting this? Holy Shit!

Now we are all Sirhan Sirhan.


It was pretty jaw dropping stuff - I had always been schooled in the idea that people could not be hypnotised to do something which was fundamentally against their values.

Time to re-draw my mental maps - AGAIN!
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:10 pm

^^wow, really? Ever done hypnosis? Hanging out with hypnotists in NC was an eye opener. They're all weaponized human beings, basically. Milton is one of the most fascinating people I ever studied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson

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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:33 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:^^wow, really? Ever done hypnosis? Hanging out with hypnotists in NC was an eye opener. They're all weaponized human beings, basically. Milton is one of the most fascinating people I ever studied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson

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Q How many Ericksonian therapists does it take to switch on a lightbulb?
A 100: 1 to turn on the light and 99 to argue over how Milton would have done it... :)

The things that most amazes me about Milton Erickson?
Why no one has made a big Hollywood movie about him....

The African Violet Queen - a teaching tale

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Bill O'Hanlon had indicated this story was pivotal in developing his solution oriented approach to therapy. Like any great teaching tales it can be examined from a number of perspectives both conscious and unconscious.

As a student of Erickson Bill was struck by the fact that the woman in this tale showed obvious signs of depression yet Erickson made it clear to her this was not her problem. Her problem, he told her was that she was not being a good Christian.

This was enough to spark her interest and from that Erickson progressed to an elegant assignment which by all reports turned her life around.

Bill questioned Erickson as to why he did this - why he did not intervene more directly with her depression.

Erickson said he knew he may only see this woman once. It was important to focus on assets rather than liabilities.

The assets in this situation were her maintenance or her church attendance despite her mobility problem, her demonstrated concern for her fellow churchgoers ( arriving early and leaving late so as not to impede the mobility of others) and her love of plant propagation. Her liability was her increasing isolation.

Now read on to find Erickson's elegant and effective solution. ( quotation from Bill's excellent book on his brief therapy approach - "Do One Thing Different"):

A favorite aunt of one of Erickson's colleagues was living in Milwaukee and had become quite seriously depressed. When Erickson gave a lecture there, the colleague asked him to visit the aunt and see if he could help her.

The woman had inherited a fortune and lived in the family mansion. But she lived all alone, never having married, and by now had lost most of her close relatives. She was in her sixties and had medical problems that put her in a wheelchair and severely curtailed her social activities. She had begun to hint to her nephew that she was thinking of suicide.

After Erickson finished his lecture, he took a taxi to the aunt's house. She was expecting him, having been told by her nephew that he was coming. She met Erickson at the door and gave him a tour of the large house. She had had the house remodeled to allow wheelchair access, but other than that, it appeared as if nothing had been changed since the 1890s. The furniture and household decorations showed a faded glory, smelling of must. Erickson was struck by the fact that all the curtains were kept closed, making the house a depressing place indeed.

The aunt saved the very best for last, however, and finally ushered Erickson into the greenhouse nursery attached to the house. This was her pride and joy; she had a green thumb and spent many happy hours working with the plants. She proudly showed him her latest project—taking cuttings from her African violets and starting new plants.

In the discussion that followed, Erickson found out that the woman was very isolated. She had previously been quite active in her local church, but since her confinement to a wheelchair she attended church only on Sundays. Because there was no wheelchair access to the church, she hired her handyman to give her a ride to church and lift her into the building after services had started, so she wouldn't disrupt the flow of foot traffic into the church. She also left before services had ended, again so she wouldn't block traffic.

After hearing her story, Erickson told her that her nephew was worried about how depressed she had become. She admitted that it had become quite serious. But Erickson told her that he thought depression was not really the problem. It was clear to him that her problem was that she was not being a very good Christian. She was taken aback by this and began to bristle, until he explained. "Here you are with all this money, time on your hands, and a green thumb. And it's all going to waste. What I recommend is that you get a copy of your church membership list and then look in the latest church bulletin. You'll find announcements of births, illnesses, graduations, engagements, and marriages in there—all the happy and sad events in the life of people in the congregation. Make a number of African violet cuttings and get them well established. Then repot them in gift pots and have your handyman drive you to the homes of people who are affected by these happy or sad events. Bring them a plant and your congratulations or condolences and comfort, whichever is appropriate to the situation." Hearing this, the woman agreed that perhaps she had fallen down in her Christian duty and agreed to do more.

Twenty years later, as I was sitting in Erickson's office, he pulled out one of his scrap-books and showed me an article from the Milwaukee Journal (or whatever the local paper was called). It was a feature article with a large headline that read "African Violet Queen of Milwaukee Dies, Mourned by Thousands." The article detailed the life of this incredibly caring woman who had become famous for her trademark flowers and her charitable work with people in the community for the ten years preceding her death.

From O'Hanlon B, " Do One Thing Different" Wiilliam Morrow pp 6-8
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:45 pm

Estabrooks always said he could make people do anything, although he mostly used it to get women to have sex with him.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:17 pm

just saw it... Well holy shit. So much for needing to trick the subject into thinking it's a water pistol!

I've been following Derren Brown's work for 5-7 years now, and this is exactly the demonstration I've wanted to see him do. He's done such an amazing job of bringing this stuff to light.

this changes everything.
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Simulist » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:31 pm

How do we watch this if we're outside of the UK? This is a topic that interests me a lot.

I just tried, and got a message telling me it's not available "in your area" (which, for me is the United States).
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby justdrew » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:39 pm

Simulist wrote:How do we watch this if we're outside of the UK?

I just tried, and got a message telling me it's not available "in your area" (which, for me is the United States).


you'll probably need to get it via a torrent.
recommended client:
http://www.utorrent.com/?client=utorrent2210

let me know if you need any other pointers
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Simulist » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:41 pm

Thanks, JD. I'll give that a shot! :)
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Nordic » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:13 pm

I just read that wikipedia entry about Ericsson and I swear to god it put me into a trance. I'm not kidding. I think they slipped something in there, as a joke, to do that.

I came out of it part of the way through the article and realized I didn't know what day it was, or where the other members of my family were. I shouted out for them and discovered my son was at home, but the others were gone.

It was very odd, kind of felt like I'd been the brunt of an affectionate practical joke.

Really fascinating stuff, and I, too would like to see this show. Never tried torrent stuff, but maybe now's the time to do it. :)

I'm 100% convinced that we're subjected to this all the time through advertising and other propaganda. I'm sure the TV's full of it. I'm pretty sure Fox News does it. There's something about those swirling reds and blues in their backgrounds all the time that is hypnotic, and the way they have the colors cranked up in the video they shoot. There's something in there, deliberate, shouting out at us (other than the weird nazi blond women and the stupid men).
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:06 am

It's on youtube for the moment:

Or there's a torrent here: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6762038 ... .XviD-C4TV
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Re: Derren Brown's Assassin

Postby justdrew » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:16 am

I for one am not remotely surprised by this. the level of revelation Brown is doing is really amazing. Much of what he can do reliably on a general population basis is game-changing (for "us" to know about it), when you realize how programmable/systematized this can be... This is a guy who can RELIABLY walk up to a race track betting window and collect on a loosing ticket. Just by interacting with the person behind the counter for 90 seconds or less.
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