#OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Laodicean » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:25 pm

Occupy Oakland: second Iraq war veteran injured after police clashes
Kayvan Sabehgi in intensive care with a lacerated spleen after protests in Oakland, a week after Scott Olsen was hurt. He says police beat him with batons

A second Iraq war veteran has suffered serious injuries after clashes between police and Occupy movement protesters in Oakland.

Kayvan Sabehgi, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, is in intensive care with a lacerated spleen. He says he was beaten by police close to the Occupy Oakland camp, but despite suffering agonising pain, did not reach hospital until 18 hours later.

Sabehgi, 32, is the second Iraq war veteran to be hospitalised following involvement in Oakland protests. Another protester, Scott Olsen, suffered a fractured skull on 25 October.

On Wednesday night, police used teargas and non-lethal projectiles to drive back protesters following an attempt by the Occupy supporters to shut down the city of Oakland.

Sabehgi told the Guardian from hospital he was walking alone along 14th Street in central Oakland – away from the main area of clashes – when he was injured.

"There was a group of police in front of me," he told the Guardian from his hospital bed. "They told me to move, but I was like: 'Move to where?' There was nowhere to move.

"Then they lined up in front of me. I was talking to one of them, saying 'Why are you doing this?' when one moved forward and hit me in my arm and legs and back with his baton. Then three or four cops tackled me and arrested me."

Sabeghi, who left the army in 2007 and now part-owns a small bar-restaurant in El Cerrito, about 10 miles north of Oakland, said he was handcuffed and placed in a police van for three hours before being taken to jail. By the time he got there he was in "unbelievable pain".

He said: "My stomach was really hurting, and it got worse to the point where I couldn't stand up.

"I was on my hands and knees and crawled over the cell door to call for help."

A nurse was called and recommended Sabehgi take a suppository, but he said he "didn't want to take it".

He was allowed to "crawl" to another cell to use the toilet, but said it was clogged.

"I was vomiting and had diarrhoea," Sabehgi said. "I just lay there in pain for hours."

Sabehgi's bail was posted in the mid-afternoon, but he said he was unable to leave his cell because of the pain. The cell door was closed, and he remained on the floor until 6pm, when an ambulance was called.

He was taken to Highland hospital – the same hospital where Olsen was originally taken after being hit in the head by a projectile apparently fired by police.

Sabehgi was due to undergo surgery on Friday afternoon to repair his spleen, which would involve using a clot or patch to prevent internal bleeding.

Thousands of protesters had attended the action in Oakland on Wednesday, taking over the downtown area of the city and blockading Oakland's port.

As demonstrations continued near the camp base at Frank H Ogawa plaza during the evening, a group of protesters occupied a disused building on 16th Street at around 10.30pm, with some climbing up onto the roof.

There had been little police presence during the day, but more than 200 officers arrived after 11pm. Some protesters had set fire to a hastily assembled barrier at the corner of 16th Street and Telegraph, in a bid to prevent access to the occupied building, but police drove demonstrators away from 16th Street using tear gas, flashbang grenades, and non-lethal rounds.

Sabehgi said he had not been in the occupied building, and was walking away from the main area of trouble when he was injured.

He said he had his arms folded and was "totally peaceful" before being arrested.

A spokeswoman for Highland hospital confirmed Sabehgi had been admitted. Oakland police were not immediately available for comment.


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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Plutonia » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:03 pm

First of all, Bruce, thanks for your efforts with regards to the court proceedings against G Sachs. I'm chagrined to say, I missed it entirely. :|

On the other hand, since it only lasted a couple of hours, it seems that their intention was more theatrical than a serious attempt to establish an alternative judiciary. Next time, then.

Meanwhile, I could use some input from you guys about an IRL development here - what is this:

My boss bought a quantity of stuff from a supplier in China, which is on a boat on it's way here but the money she transferred last week to pay for it has "disappeared" - left her account but hasn't arrived at the other end. She hasn't been able to get any kind of an explanation from her CREDIT UNION, they can't account for it. Well, it turns out that her CU uses BANK OF AMERICA!!! (Yoinks!) to precess overseas bank transfers. She has receipts for the $$ going into, and then out of BofA, yet her supplier hasn't received it.

Of course you all know what I'm thinking. Any thoughts?

(And who knew CU's transferred $$ through Big Banks?! If she had known that, considering BoA's precariousness, she would have made other arrangements. And what's the point of switching to CU's if they hold hands with the big boys? Gah!!)
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:19 pm

From http://swans.com/library/art17/letter227.html

On the "Occupy Wall Street" Movement, from the Bureau of Public Secrets


To the Editor:

The "Occupy" movement that has swept across the country over the last four weeks is already the most significant radical breakthrough in America since the 1960s. And it is just beginning.

It started on September 17, when some 2000 people came together in New York City to "Occupy Wall Street" in protest against the increasingly glaring domination of a tiny economic elite over the "other 99%." The participants began an ongoing tent-city type occupation of a park near Wall Street (redubbed Liberty Plaza in a salute to the Tahrir Square occupation in Egypt) and formed a general assembly that has continued to meet every day. Though at first almost totally ignored by the mainstream media, this action rapidly began to inspire similar occupations in hundreds of cities across the country and many others around the world.

The ruling elite don't know what's hit them and have suddenly been thrown on the defensive, while the clueless media pundits try to dismiss the movement for failing to articulate a coherent program or list of demands. The participants have of course expressed numerous grievances, grievances that are obvious enough to anyone who has been paying attention to what's been going on in the world. But they have wisely avoided limiting themselves to a single demand, or even just a few demands, because it has become increasingly clear that every aspect of the system is problematic and that all the problems are interrelated. Instead, recognizing that POPULAR PARTICIPATION IS ITSELF AN ESSENTIAL PART OF ANY REAL SOLUTION, the New York assembly came up with a disarmingly simple yet eminently subversive proposal, urging the people of the world to "Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. . . . Join us and make your voices heard!"

Almost as clueless are those doctrinaire radicals who remain on the sidelines glumly predicting that the movement will be coopted or complaining that it hasn't instantly adopted the most radical positions. They of all people should know that the DYNAMIC of social movements is far more important than their ostensible ideological positions. Revolutions arise out of complex processes of social debate and interaction that happen to reach a critical mass and trigger a chain reaction -- processes very much like what we are seeing at this moment. The "99%" slogan may not be a very precise "class analysis," but it's a close enough approximation for starters, an excellent meme to cut through a lot of traditional sociological jargon and make the point that the vast majority of people are subordinate to a system run by and for a tiny ruling elite. And it rightly puts the focus on the economic institutions rather than on the politicians who are merely their lackeys. The countless grievances may not constitute a coherent program, but taken as a whole they already imply a fundamental transformation of the system. The nature of that transformation will become clearer as the struggle develops. If the movement ends up forcing the system to come up with some sort of significant, New Deal-type reforms, so much the better -- that will temporarily ease conditions so we can more easily push further. If the system proves incapable of implementing any significant reforms, that will force people to look into more radical alternatives.

As for cooption, there will indeed be many attempts to take over or manipulate the movement. But I don't think they'll have a very easy time of it. From the beginning the occupation movement has been resolutely antihierarchical and participatory. General assembly decisions are scrupulously democratic and most decisions are taken by consensus -- a process which can sometimes be unwieldy, but which has the merit of making any manipulation practically impossible. In fact, THE REAL THREAT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND: The example of participatory democracy ultimately threatens all hierarchies and social divisions, including those between rank-and-file workers and their union bureaucracies, and between political parties and their constituents. Which is why so many politicians and union bureaucrats are trying to jump on the bandwagon. That is a reflection of our strength, not of our weakness. (Cooption happens when we are tricked into riding in THEIR wagons.) The assemblies may of course agree to collaborate with some political group for a demonstration or with some labor union for a strike, but most of them are taking care that the distinctions remain clear, and practically all of them have sharply distanced themselves from both of the major political parties.

While the movement is eclectic and open to everyone, it is safe to say that its underlying spirit is strongly antiauthoritarian, drawing inspiration not only from recent popular movements in Argentina, Tunisia, Egypt, Greece, Spain and other countries, but from anarchist and situationist theories and tactics. As the editor of Adbusters (one of the groups that helped initiate the movement) noted:

"We are not just inspired by what happened in the Arab Spring recently, we are students of the Situationist movement. Those are the people who gave birth to what many people think was the first global revolution back in 1968 when some uprisings in Paris suddenly inspired uprisings all over the world. All of a sudden universities and cities were exploding. This was done by a small group of people, the Situationists, who were like the philosophical backbone of the movement. One of the key guys was Guy Debord, who wrote THE SOCIETY OF THE SPECTACLE. The idea is that if you have a very powerful meme -- a very powerful idea -- and the moment is ripe, then that is enough to ignite a revolution. This is the background that we come out of."

The May 1968 revolt in France was in fact also an "occupation movement" -- one of its most notable features was the occupation of the Sorbonne and other public buildings, which then inspired the occupation of factories all over the country by more than 10 million workers. (Needless to say, we are still very far from something like that, which can hardly happen until American workers bypass their union bureaucracies and take collective action on their own, as they did in France.)

As the movement spreads to hundreds of cities, it is important to note that each of the new occupations and assemblies remains TOTALLY AUTONOMOUS. Though inspired by the original Wall Street occupation, they have all been created by the people in their own communities. No outside person or group has the slightest control over any of these assemblies. Which is just as it should be. When the local assemblies see a practical need for coordination, they will coordinate; in the mean time, the proliferation of autonomous groups and actions is safer and more fruitful than the top-down "unity" for which bureaucrats are always appealing. Safer, because it counteracts repression: if the occupation in one city is crushed (or coopted), the movement will still be alive and well in a hundred others. More fruitful, because this diversity enables people to share and compare among a wider range of tactics and ideas.

Each assembly is working out its own procedures. Some are operating by strict consensus, others by majority vote, others with various combinations of the two (e.g., a "modified consensus" policy of requiring only 90% agreement). Some are remaining strictly within the law, others are engaging in various kinds of civil disobedience. They are establishing diverse types of committees or "working groups" to deal with particular issues, and diverse methods of ensuring the accountability of delegates or spokespeople. They are making diverse decisions as to how to deal with media, with police and with provocateurs, and adopting diverse ways of collaborating with other groups or causes. Many types of organization are possible; what is essential is that things remain transparent, democratic and participatory, that any tendency toward hierarchy or manipulation is immediately exposed and rejected.

Another new feature of this movement is that, in contrast to previous radical movements that tended to come together around a particular issue on a particular day and then disperse, the current occupations are settling in their locations with no end date. They're there for the long haul, with time to grow roots and experiment with all sorts of new possibilities.

YOU HAVE TO PARTICIPATE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. Not everyone will be up for joining in the overnight occupations, but practically anyone can take part in the general assemblies. At occupytogether.org you can find out about occupations (or planned occupations) in more than a thousand cities in the United States as well as several hundred others around the world.

The occupations are bringing together all sorts of people coming from all sorts of different backgrounds. This can be a new and perhaps unsettling experience for some people, but it's amazing how quickly the barriers break down when you're working together on an exciting collective project. The consensus method may at first seem tedious, especially if an assembly is using the "people's mic" system (in which the assembly echoes each phrase of the speaker so that everybody can hear). But it has the advantage of encouraging people to speak to the point, and after a little while you get into the rhythm and begin to appreciate the effect of everyone focusing on each phrase together, and of everyone getting a chance to have their say and see their concerns get a respectful hearing from everyone else.

In this process we are already getting a taste of a new kind of life, life as it could be if we weren't stuck in such an absurd and anachronistic social system. So much is happening so quickly that we hardly know how to express it. Feelings like: "I can't believe it! Finally! This is it! Or at least it COULD be it -- what we've been waiting for for so long, the sort of human awakening that we've dreamed of but didn't know if it would ever actually happen in our lifetime." Now it's here and I know I'm not the only one with tears of joy. A woman speaking at the first Occupy Oakland general assembly said, "I came here today not just to change the world, but to change myself." I think everyone there knew what she meant. In this brave new world we're all beginners. We're all going to be making lots of mistakes. That is only to be expected, and it's okay. We're new at this. But under these new conditions we'll learn fast.

At that same assembly someone else had a sign that said: "There are more reasons to be excited than to be scared."

[A PDF version of this text can be found at
http://www.bopsecrets.org/recent/awakening.htm ]
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby lupercal » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:59 pm

Hammer of Los wrote:
A woman speaking at the first Occupy Oakland general assembly said, "I came here today not just to change the world, but to change myself." I think everyone there knew what she meant. In this brave new world we're all beginners. We're all going to be making lots of mistakes. That is only to be expected, and it's okay. We're new at this. But under these new conditions we'll learn fast.

At that same assembly someone else had a sign that said: "There are more reasons to be excited than to be scared."

Hoo boy. Has Oakland changed that much? I give Jerry Brown beaucoup credit for gentrifying a blighted town but come on, not even the airiest EST believer from Marin would be caught dead saying any such baloney, then or now. Question: why is all this content-free "activism" happening in Oakland, home of the Black Panthers and many another infiltrated movement, not to mention the SLA, an out-of-the box Cointelpro hoax like this affair shows every sign of being, and not Berkeley? Answer: because it's easier to pull shit like this where people are poor and there aren't a lot of politically aware students around to ask questions. Oakland-Alameda is about as spook-heavy as any place on the planet and it's no surprise to me that this is where the plug gets pulled, as I suspected it would as soon as election day passes. Don't buy the hype.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Project Willow » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:01 pm

Plutonia wrote:First of all, Bruce, thanks for your efforts with regards to the court proceedings against G Sachs.


That reminds me, you got a great shot of that line-up! I meant to share it earlier.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Jeff » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:43 pm

Laodicean wrote:
Occupy Oakland: second Iraq war veteran injured after police clashes
Kayvan Sabehgi in intensive care with a lacerated spleen after protests in Oakland, a week after Scott Olsen was hurt. He says police beat him with batons


I could find no US national media hits on Google News for the name Kayvan Sabehgi. (Oakland + "broken windows" has over 800.)
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:09 pm

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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby operator kos » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:48 pm

lupercal wrote:
Hammer of Los wrote:
A woman speaking at the first Occupy Oakland general assembly said, "I came here today not just to change the world, but to change myself." I think everyone there knew what she meant. In this brave new world we're all beginners. We're all going to be making lots of mistakes. That is only to be expected, and it's okay. We're new at this. But under these new conditions we'll learn fast.

At that same assembly someone else had a sign that said: "There are more reasons to be excited than to be scared."

Hoo boy. Has Oakland changed that much? I give Jerry Brown beaucoup credit for gentrifying a blighted town but come on, not even the airiest EST believer from Marin would be caught dead saying any such baloney, then or now. Question: why is all this content-free "activism" happening in Oakland, home of the Black Panthers and many another infiltrated movement, not to mention the SLA, an out-of-the box Cointelpro hoax like this affair shows every sign of being, and not Berkeley? Answer: because it's easier to pull shit like this where people are poor and there aren't a lot of politically aware students around to ask questions. Oakland-Alameda is about as spook-heavy as any place on the planet and it's no surprise to me that this is where the plug gets pulled, as I suspected it would as soon as election day passes. Don't buy the hype.


Wow, I'm sorry all us uneducated niggers and poor punks in Oakland just aren't living up to your standards. It sure is a shame that we're all just helpless pawns of the intelligence agencies and incapable of accomplishing anything on our own. If only the enlightened students from UC Berkeley could come down from the ivory towers that Skull and Bones built for them and show us the light! Then maybe we could do something meaningful like bring tens of thousands of people to a general strike which closes one of the largest ports in the country, dealing hundreds of thousands of dollars of economic damage to the big corporations that are screwing us all over...
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby 82_28 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:57 am

Jeff wrote:
Laodicean wrote:
Occupy Oakland: second Iraq war veteran injured after police clashes
Kayvan Sabehgi in intensive care with a lacerated spleen after protests in Oakland, a week after Scott Olsen was hurt. He says police beat him with batons


I could find no US national media hits on Google News for the name Kayvan Sabehgi. (Oakland + "broken windows" has over 800.)


Funny innit? I just got done watching some college football and their crazy drum crews all colleges have when it comes to football. Dudes and chicks pounding on drums. Nobody, and I mean nobody makes fun of those fucking drummers. There's like 90 of them lined up in the stands in their fancy university uniforms like a bunch of monkeys doing the bidding of their overlords. And all's good. Fantastic. But why "drum circles" are a method of disparagement of OWS for the ignorant and used right wing and the too clever by half "left" is beyond me. In this society we allow for a lot of drumming by a shit ton of idiots and not so idiotic for all kinds of causes. But it's all stupid when the same college students who are concerned with their debt and the job market etc and society at large, is beyond me. The stupidity of people putting 2 and 2 together is again, beyond me.

All in all, I think it's best to dump the drum circles and replace it with violin circles(?) or something. People just don't like natural occurring movements.

And when it comes down to it, I'm not so sure that this is all that natural anymore. The feelings and emotions are real. The idealism is real. But I just don't know.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby lupercal » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:15 am

operator kos wrote:Wow, I'm sorry all us uneducated niggers and poor punks in Oakland just aren't living up to your standards. It sure is a shame that we're all just helpless pawns of the intelligence agencies and incapable of accomplishing anything on our own. If only the enlightened students from UC Berkeley could come down from the ivory towers that Skull and Bones built for them and show us the light! Then maybe we could do something meaningful like bring tens of thousands of people to a general strike which closes one of the largest ports in the country, dealing hundreds of thousands of dollars of economic damage to the big corporations that are screwing us all over...

Okay, I suppose that was inevitable, but it's not about my standards, it's about what's real and what isn't. The Black Panthers were real: they had a real agenda, legitimate tactics, real goals, a real program. The SLA was fake: no real agenda, no legit tactics, no program other than crapping on UC student activism and putting a gun in Patti Hearst's hands at the scene of a crime. Mission accomplished. So is Occupy Oakland real or fake? Based on what I know it's fake. Does that mean everyone involved in it is a spook? No, of course not, but you might as well know what you're dealing with.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby barracuda » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:42 am

lupercal wrote:Based on what I know...


Oh lord, not this steaming pile again. I'm sitting here right now looking at your "Peace and Freedom Through Direct Action" forum's "Direct Action" section, and there's not a single post since June 10th. Your "Interactive Peace and Justice Action Calendar" hasn't got a single "action" date on it for the last six months. (Please don't bother clicking the link. Don't feed this one, people.)

You seem to really have a finger on the pulse, dude.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby barracuda » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:48 am

82_28 wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Laodicean wrote:
Occupy Oakland: second Iraq war veteran injured after police clashes
Kayvan Sabehgi in intensive care with a lacerated spleen after protests in Oakland, a week after Scott Olsen was hurt. He says police beat him with batons


I could find no US national media hits on Google News for the name Kayvan Sabehgi. (Oakland + "broken windows" has over 800.)


Funny innit?


Here's a Reuter's link to the Sabeghi incident, and over 200 Google News results.
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby lupercal » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:52 am

barracuda wrote:Oh lord, not this steaming pile again.


Bwahaha. What a surprise, I mean surprize, I mean when was the last time you voted in California, Mr Niles California? Do you know I lived ten years in the East Bay without once having heard, seen, or read mention of Niles, which turns out to be the name of long-forgotten subdivision of Fremont? Which application generated that little gem anyway?
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Re: #OCCUPYWALLSTREET campaign - September 17

Postby barracuda » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:01 am

That's 'cause only cool people know about Niles, bro.

Pending admin approval, I'm suspending your bullshit account anyway, for insinuating, again, that I'm an agent, and for trolling, and just on G.P. because it's a slow Friday night. Thanks for the opportunity.
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