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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:51 pm

One demonstrator has died from inhaling the tear gas, and hundreds are suffering from severe breathing difficulties, even hours and days after being exposed. A friend of mine reports that she saw people coughing up blood after being brought to one of the field hospitals in Tahrir. There are unconfirmed reports that the kind of tear gas being used causes permanent liver and heart damage.

The official death toll, according to the Ministry of Health, is 24, with over 750 injured and 127 captured by the "security" forces. Update: the number of protesters killed by security forces has risen to 30, with over 1800 injured.

Some protesters are writing their parents' phone numbers on their bodies, in case they are killed or too injured to communicate.

In new photos of the CSI plant in Jamestown, PA, two flags are seen flying side by side, the flag of the United States, and the flag of Israel. The teargas produced at this plant has been used on protestors in Egypt, Tunisia and Palestine.

I'm watching an aerial view of Tahrir Square via a live link on satellite channel "Twenty-Five" right now: it's UNBELIEVABLE. The number of protesters is easily in the hundreds of thousands, and according to reports on Twitter, more are steadily arriving. The chants are deafening: "The people want, the downfall of the Field Marshal!" and "Erhal!" (Go!). Their energy and morale seem very high, and are rising as the crowd grows bigger.

Tomorrow the number is predicted to rise above 1 million.

It's now 7:45 pm. About 3 hours ago, I was in a restaurant in a Cairo neighborhood with a friend who's been in Tahrir since Saturday, and there were two cute young girls sitting in the table behind us, in their early twenties. I started talking to them, and one of them said that she was going to Tahrir right after eating. It was nearly dusk, so I asked her why didn't she wait until morning, and she said she'd waited long enough.

The youth kept saying that if the revolution was betrayed, they'd start another one. Even I didn't really believe they could do it, but they have. God, they're brave! God, they're beautiful! Tantawy doesn't know who he's dealing with. He is so stupid.

    Revolutionaries recapture Tahrir Square in a 'replay' of January uprising
    Security forces are expelled from the square by anti-SCAF protesters following two days of battles that many are calling the '19th and 20th days' of Egypt's ongoing revolution
    Yassin Gaber , Monday 21 Nov 2011


    Following a deadly standoff in Cairo’s Tahrir Square at sunset, thousands of protesters regained their ground, successfully expelling the military police and soldiers – dressed in riot gear and wielding bludgeons and electroshock weapons – who stood before rows of Central Security Forces (CSF) firing barrage after barrage of tear gas. The streets of downtown Cairo were filled with fleeing protesters, weaving their way through burning trees and thick clouds of the toxic gas.

    When the square was finally reclaimed, at least three protesters had been reported killed, with a fourth death later reported from a makeshift field hospital.

    Tahrir’s thousands remained in the iconic square throughout Sunday. Fatigued protesters stood their ground, as CSF personnel battled to shore up their position around Egypt’s Cabinet offices and the reviled interior ministry.

    A cold peace reigned on Shiekh Rehan Street for most of the day, where the American University in Cairo’s campus lies off of Qasr El-Aini Street. On the adjacent Mohamed Mahmoud Street, however, a hard-fought battle has continued to rage, with waves of protesters being battered back by endless salvoes of tear gas canisters.

    Despite the difficulties, however, protesters have continued to march down the overturned blacktop and torn-up pavement, loudly repeating a single refrain in reference to the country’s de factor ruler: “The people demand the ouster of the field marshal [Mohammed Hussein Tantawi]!”

    Although numerous political forces have maintained a presence in the square – including the Revolution Youth Coalition, of which the April 6 youth movement is a part, the National Front for Justice and Democracy and the “No to Military Trials” campaign, among others – and while Islamists turned out in force on Saturday night but were conspicuously absent on Sunday, today’s melee was marked by a monolithic, faction-less stand against CSF forces and plain-clothed police.

    Several protesters standing at the frontlines were quick to stress their lack of affiliation with any particular political party or group, noting that today’s demonstration was not a political rally.

    Weary protesters, many having stayed in Tahrir from the previous evening, expressed their fury over the violent crackdown and the Saturday morning attack on activists injured in the January uprising. Revolutionary demands were drowned out amid the thick smoke and the roar of protesters chanting against the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) and its head, Tantawi.

    Amid the palpable rage directed at the army and the ruling military council, any talk of elections or constitutions was all but inaudible if not completely absent. As of press time, the square's political forces – now two days into the latest violent turn of events – were only beginning the process of formulating their respective statements.

    Field hospitals along Mohamed Mahmoud Street, meanwhile, continue to treat an endless stream of injured and traumatised protesters.

    “In the past three or four hours, roughly 300 cases have been admitted to the field hospital,” said Ayman Abo Zied, an activist/medic currently treating the wounded. “Of these, roughly 100 – coming five or six at a time – suffered the debilitating effects of tear gas.”

    “The CSF’s use of tear gas is as it was in the past – fired at head level,” he added. “The rest of the injuries have been due to buckshot and rubber bullets being fired at chest and head level as well.”

    A medical student, Abo Zied was denied his final certificate after taking a political stand deemed “subversive” and taking part in the ongoing revolution. Within the last two days, he himself has sustained a buckshot injury to his jaw, while being struck in the left hand by a rubber bullet.

    According to some protesters, the main field hospital itself fell under attack at one point by security personnel.

    Another medic at the scene said that buckshot and rubber bullet injuries appeared to increase as the day progressed. Motorcycles were widely used to transport casualties, meanwhile, with many protesters refusing to use ambulances – which seldom ventured into the square – out of fear they would fall into the hands of the CSF.

    “Protesters flatly refuse to use ambulances,” said Basel Magdy, another doctor at the scene. “But in very serious cases, the first hospital they’re sent to is Mounira Hospital – not Qasr El-Aini."

    Abo Zied noted the difficulties associated with documenting the numerous injuries, given the violence and chaos that has rocked the area over the last two days.

    As of press time, the streets of Downtown Cairo were still teeming with protesters, while the square itself – the epicentre of the 18-day uprising that toppled Mubarak – is as fevered as ever. Many activists, for their part, could be heard referring to Saturday as the uprising’s nineteenth day – and today as the twentieth. Link
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:34 pm

The government has just resigned, but nobody cares. Too little, too late. Too much killing and torturing and lying over the past 9 months. The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces' goose is cooked. It's just a matter of time.

Events in Egypt are moving very, very fast. I strongly recommend that those who are interested follow Twitter #Tahrir.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Simulist » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:44 pm

Thanks for the Twitter link, Alice. Very helpful.
One demonstrator has died from inhaling the tear gas, and hundreds are suffering from severe breathing difficulties, even hours and days after being exposed. A friend of mine reports that she saw people coughing up blood after being brought to one of the field hospitals in Tahrir. There are unconfirmed reports that the kind of tear gas being used causes permanent liver and heart damage.

The official death toll, according to the Ministry of Health, is 24, with over 750 injured and 127 captured by the "security" forces. Update: the number of protesters killed by security forces has risen to 30, with over 1800 injured.

I'm very moved by the bravery of these protesters. I so respect what they are doing.

A worldwide revolution may be taking off now for real.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:52 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:The government has just resigned, but nobody cares. Too little, too late. Too much killing and torturing and lying over the past 9 months. The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces' goose is cooked. It's just a matter of time.

Events in Egypt are moving very, very fast. I strongly recommend that those who are interested follow Twitter #Tahrir.


Thank you for that, Alice. The Twitter link is really full-on. It had a very different feeling from the springtime - it felt like an irresistible force meeting an immovable object..
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:46 pm

Yes, the Egyptian Tahrir Square protestors are incredibly brave, courageous and committed. They have my profound Respect & Regard. They are teaching all of us the determination and integrity of character it will take to defeat, overwhelm and transform the dark forces of greed, brutality and extremism that have become parasites on We the 99%, leaching off our human dignity and toil, establishing themselves as the ruling elite overseers and landlords of OUR legacy and respective nations, our Earth, our United Humanity.

FUCK the Wars fought on behalf of the Bankers, Generals, Politicians and Corporations.

To enlarge on what someone said, WE protesting injustice and inequality in the US have FAR more in common with our brothers and sisters at Tahrir Square and the citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan than we do with the CEOs of Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, and one hundred-plus other corporations that effectively bought-out Congress and rent the White House.

Occupy has become our common heritage, tho many do not yet know it. We'll probably need to occasionally ignore knowledge of the truly heroic, epic struggle it will require to unseat the well-entrenched bureaucracy of special interests that have subverted our Republic and colonized almost every nation, indoctinating generations with the program of serving their venal agenda so that many are blind to the tricks and schemes that disguise their rackets -- otherwise we'd grow faint of heart and abaondon the struggle as almost every past popular movement has wearied, lost vision or conviction or momentum.

We simply CAN'T but succeed -- the alternative is not an option.

This is the first year of a struggle for the worthiest of causes that may take many of our lifetimes to play out.

That's the kind of Vision and determination we need.

At some point, We the 99 percenters may want to have a public ceremony to affirm our intentions, to pledge ourselves making common cause with the ideals of shared humanity, with justice and human/civil rights, for decency and dignity and citizen self-rule for our greater common good and healing of our hard-used planet.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby DrVolin » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:20 pm

I hope they win this time, and that it doesn't cost too much blood.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Project Willow » Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:24 pm

I am sorry for the losses...

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8 unmoving bodies in tahrir, pic i took 3 hours ago, just got to computer 2 upload. not sure how many dead vs. unconscious. corner of #tahrir sq & tahrir st.


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Glad things are turning around.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:43 am

Tahrir Square at 11:18 PM last night:

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CNN correspondent Ben Wedeman's tweet last night:

#Egypt: only country where youth aren't afraid to die, but r afraid to tell their parents they're going to #Tahrir.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:04 pm

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Hold on, o Egypt. Terrible that your freedom must cost so many martyrs, so many bodies maimed.

There's a special hell for headline writers, but this looks like a pretty detailed report.



http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/517625

Tantawi speech ruffles Tahrir

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Author: Ahmed Zaki Osman

Less than two hours after the speech by Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, clashes have erupted again on Mohamed Mahmoud Street, a sign that activists and politician say indicates that the nation’s military rulers are following the former regime’s failed strategy to remain in power.

Eyewitnesses and doctors at a makeshift field hospital said there were an invisible substance causing suffocation and inflammation of the eyes. Reports of protesters fainting were widespread.

Before Tantawi’s speech, Egypt's ruling military council held a five-hour crisis meeting with nearly 12 political party representatives and presidential hopefuls earlier on Tuesday. They agreed that a new government would be formed and that presidential elections would be held by July.

Previously, Egypt’s military rulers had indicated that the presidential elections would be held in late 2012 or early 2013.

But Farid Zahran, a leading member of the Egyptian Social Democratic Party, which attended the meeting, said Tantawi did not stay true to those discussions during his address.

“Tantawi’s speech is disappointing and doesn’t reflect the agreement we had made with the SCAF members who attended the meeting,” Zahran said.

Overall, Zahran said he thought the meeting was fruitful, adding that the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces agreed to apologize for protester deaths and compensate the victims’ families.

“But Tantawi completely ignored all those agreements and gave a speech that has a threatening tone, not a reconciliatory one,” said Zahran.

Shortly after he finished his speech, thousands of protesters in Tahrir chanted slogans reminiscent of those used during the protests that brought down President Hosni Mubarak.

“Leave, leave,” they told Tantawi.

The growing similarities between these protests and unrest early this year are not limited to slogans. Political activist and analyst Samer Soliman compared Tantawi’s speech to the ones Mubarak made early in the revolution, saying it came too late and offered solutions that were no longer acceptable after the recent escalation.

“It’s obvious that time has passed him by, and he doesn’t realize what’s happening around him, just like Mubarak” Soliman said.

Islam Lotfy, member of the 25 January Revolution Youth Coalition and co-founder of the Egyptian Current party said protesters in the square immediately rejected Tantawi’s “disappointing” speech.

Activist Ahmed Maher, coordinator of 6 April Youth Movement, agreed with Zahran, saying, “the speech doesn’t respond to the demands raised by protesters in Tahrir and other governorates. The speech is thee same as the speeches of Mubarak in his final days.”

One of protesters’ main demands is for the SCAF to stop running the country’s affairs and allow a new civilian council to step in until presidential elections. Tantawi, however, said he would order the formation of a new cabient to replace the one that resigned Monday that will still work in conjunction with the SCAF.

"He did not delegate his authorities to the cabinet," said Sameh al-Barqy, a leader of the youth-led Egyptian Current Party.

"The speech did not make any difference,” he said.

Lotfy says that there is no point of forming a new government if it is not given real powers.

“It will be like bringing another [Prime Minister] Essam Sharaf,” said Lotfy, who insists that none of protesters demands have been met.

“Protesters want a national salvation government that is given legislative authorities to change the current situation where the military council holds all the power and the cabinet only holds administrative powers,” said Lotfy.

Maher suggested the speech was threatening in tone.

“The speech plays on emotion and at the same time it frightens people from the instability that might occur if people continue criticizing SCAF,” he said. “Furthermore, the speech was full of a tone of betrayal of those who condemn the SCAF’s mishandling of the transitional period.”

Some said Tantawi’s statement that the people could send the military back to the barracks with a national referendum was cause for concern.

"The armed forces, represented by their Supreme Council, do not aspire to govern and put the supreme interest of the country above all considerations." Tantawi said.

“He is threatening to instigate another division among the people with this referendum,” said Barqy.

Zahran said that no one in the meeting with SCAF member had raised the “bizarre issue” of holding a referendum.

“Why would we suggest conducting a referendum while we have two elections [parliamentary and presidential] that would take three months at least? I think that Egypt doesn’t have the luxury to call people to go to the polls three times in nearly six months,” said Zahran.

Politician Ayman Nour, the former head of the liberal Ghad party, wrote on Twitter that “SCAF didn’t come to power by a referendum so that it will exit power by a referendum.”

According to Soliman, Tantawi’s suggestion of a referendum does not reflect the severity of the situation after the deaths of at least 28 people since Saturday.

“He now has a political responsibility for the killing of protesters, is there such a thing as holding a referendum to determine whether a murderer would be tried for his crime?” asks Soliman.

Soliman says the only peaceful way to end the protests and clashes is for the military council to step down and appoint an interim government with real powers.

Publishing Date: Tue, 22/11/2011 - 23:53
Source URL (retrieved on 23/11/2011 - 01:57): http://www.almasryalyoum.com/node/517625



I hope the referendum bit serves to communicate to his own handful of other demented generals that this guy is as senile and hopeless and finished as Mubarak was. I never doubted that the latter was going when he had reached this same point, with the scolding speeches, and I pray that this time goes the same way.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby eyeno » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:23 pm

The Egyptian people are not playing around. They have kicked it into high gear. They have surpassed the Greeks and Icelanders in resistant fury. Go Egyptians!

There is a TON of stuff going on in Tahrir but there seems to be a bit of a news blackout. I am not seeing a lot of news reports coming out of Tahrir right now.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby smiths » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:21 pm

"The Obama administration has regarded the Egyptian military as the cornerstone of a controlled transition to civilian rule"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/no ... protesters


yeah, a military dictatorship is the cornerstone of any good civilian government
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby Simulist » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:24 pm

Good point, Smiths.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 153den » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:49 am

I think it's part of the game.Sometime I wonder if any good will ever come out of it.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:05 am

Egypt's Police, Military and Its Crimes Against Humanity

Pentagon: Both Sides Must "Show Restraint"

Revolutionaries camp in Tahrir: “How can we tell the generations to come that we left an army to rule them?”
Sarah Sheffer | 23 November 2011 |

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Abdallah and his friends will stay camped in Tahrir Square until the military council steps down.

CAIRO: Abdallah Walid, a 20-year-old poet, sleeps on a blanket on a sidewalk in Tahrir Square, as tens of thousands chant against Egypt’s military dictatorship in the background.

He jumps up as I wake him. “Sarah! Sarah, I am tired,” he said, stretching his arms, letting the scene around him adjust to his freshly opened eyes.

Abdallah and his friends have not left their camp– a few meager blankets draped on the sidewalk– since the call for a million man protest brought civilians to the square last Friday.

The camp looks more established than the day before, with food, medical supplies, more blankets and more people there, sitting and discussing the continuation of the revolution they started in Egypt last January, with the ousting of former President Hosni Mubarak.

More among them are wounded, as well.

“We won’t leave until the situation is peaceful for our country,” says Nasser, one of the younger campers. None of them plan to leave the square until Egypt’s interim ruling military council cedes power to a civilian government.

An older woman, Somia, approaches the camp, eying me suspiciously at first.

“Where are you from?” she grills me.

“The United States,” I say, “but I live here in Egypt.”

She pauses thoughtfully, but her face warms, handing me a pack of cookies wrapped in cellophane.

“Eat,” she implores me, sitting down to talk. I hold the package uncomfortably in my hand. I don’t need this, I can go home to eat tonight.

“The army, they are marionettes,” she begins, pulling a small doll out of her bag, holding its blonde hair in her fingertips, letting it sway from side to side. “They are like this. They are just the same as the former Mubarak regime.”

Her husband had received a rubber bullet to the eye, fighting on the front lines against the army the night before. He sits solemnly, resting his head on the closed storefront behind us.

“Writers and intellectuals have told us for hundreds of years that we can never leave an army in power in a county,” she went on.

“You have to read this, you must know. How can we tell the generations to come that we left an army to rule them?”

A friend of Somia’s cuts in, waving an empty tear gas canister in my face.

“You sold this to us. You say it is too dangerous to use in America, and then you sold it to us. This is new. This was not here during the January 25 Revolution,” he says with exasperation, holding his bandaged arm.

“This is an American and Israeli conspiracy to slaughter us.”

Somia cut in, brushing him away. She took my notebook, and scribbled something down, feeling more confident in her written English than her spoken.

“One writer said: “I look in history. After, I see a problem in a government, not in a people,” the note read.

“Eat with us, and it will mean that we are now a family. We are people. You are American and we are Egyptian, but we are one family” Somia continues, diffusing the tension that had risen over the US-produced tear gas.

“We are here because of freedom,” Abdallah cuts in. “What can I do? I write, you write. What else though? We, American and Egyptians, need to share ideas. We need to share freedoms.”

“We will pay for this in the long run,” Somia says. “If we don’t act now, we will pay for this in the long run.” Link
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:55 pm

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Top 3 NYT headlines right now, just for the update, when I review this thread in 30 years:

Vestiges of Mubarak’s Order Stifle a New Egypt
By ANTHONY SHADID

No groups in Egypt seem prepared to guide the transition to civilian rule because the old order co-opted, eviscerated or abolished the institutions that could have done so.
Attempt for Truce in Egyptian Square Collapses 11:02 AM ET
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Bahrain Said to Use Excessive Force and Torture in Protests
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 9:21 AM ET

A report released on Wednesday is the most comprehensive document on security force actions during the revolts that have roiled the Arab world.

Yemen’s Leader Is Reported to Accept Yielding His Powers
By KAREEM FAHIM and LAURA KASINOF 8:55 AM ET

President Ali Abdullah Saleh traveled to Saudi Arabia on Wednesday to sign an agreement that would require him to immediately transfer his powers to his vice president.


We haven't discussed last month's Tunisian elections going smoothly and yielding an advantage for the moderate Muslim party on the Turkish model, followed by various social democrats and socialists. This is a constituent assembly. What the hell drives all these other powerheaded generals and autocrats and plutocrats to resist and tear-gas such a simple thing for their own countries?

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