Gingrich: 'let an attack get through just to remind us'

[Elvis]

Bringing me back to "V"...(if I read the movie correctly) the 'fancy karate moves' helped, but the end of the dictatorship came mainly from 200,000 people facing down the "authorities" in a public square.

And cheering on the bombing of Parliament, the fulfillment of Guy Fawkes' ambition, right?

I don't think that would serve us well.

Agreed. I meant to add that the movie analogy only goes so far, and blowing up the Parliament building made a cool 'cinematic' ending but wasn't necessary to confront the dictatorship. In practice, blowing up buildings is a tactic for scaring the shit out of everybody, which never serves us well. Gingrich obviously disagrees, bleah.

[Elvis]

i can't believe we're even talking about this guy potentially being president.

i just saw his name as if seeing it for the first time.

Grinch. He's not only a Newt, but a Grinch.

Gangrene mixed with Grinch and throw in some Newt.

Yuck.

Just the sound of his name sounds like something growing under a rock.

The GinGRINCH who stole Christmas.

But how many times have we said that? "Ronald Reagan? I can't believe we're even talking about this guy potentially being president!" Then you wake up one day and guess what? Ronald Reagan is president.

Read it & weep:

Gingrich: he's beginning to run away with it, having absorbed Cain's base.

Gingrich 37%, Romney 22% Among GOP Voters Nationwide

Gingrinch is a "known known," seems to have some Teflon coating, and could easily emerge as the safe bet to oust Obama.

(Firefox auto-spellcheck recognizes "Gingrich" but questions "grinch" and "Gingrinch")

[Simulist]

I re-watched "V for Vendetta" the other night, and Gingrich's remarks struck me as a line from the movie, when Sutler, the evil chancellor, screams, "I want everyone to remember why they need us!"

I agree completely.

"...it's almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us..."

Remind us of what, exactly? That the vicious rulers of America are a greater threat to the lives of Americans than any "terrorist" could ever even hope to become?

I don't need a reminder.

[Elvis]

I re-watched "V for Vendetta" the other night, and Gingrich's remarks struck me as a line from the movie, when Sutler, the evil chancellor, screams, "I want everyone to remember why they need us!"

I agree completely.

"...it's almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us..."

Remind us of what, exactly?

I think Gingrich realized that he couldn't finish the sentence without sounding exactly like Sutler. Or, at the least, betraying his real point that if we start thinking that we don't need Them, a terror attack every now and then is good for the country.

[Nordic]

Well let's not get sucked into the artificial drama of the presidential "race". It's become plenty clear it doesn't matter, the PTB control things now, as the faux election of Obama clearly shows.

And he's perfect. Obama. Perfect for them that is. Obama is gonna be another 8 year president.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

It was easier to laugh at Gingrich back then, when he was only Speaker, but it is still necessary to do so now that he's vying to run the asylum (Repubs, i mean, not the whole US).

Obama won the election months ago anyway, not through policy or achievement but by showing a clip from The Lion King to Donald Trump. His throne is secure. The Lion King thing was genius, and brilliantly done - i lapped it up - but he's still (sadly) a recidivist when it comes to mass murder and a wholehearted surveillance-statist. 'Tis a pity.

I don't really know all that much about American politics, though, just like to think I do. Was wondering earlier why there was no cpncurrently-running Democrat leadership contest, then remembered that Obama is a Democrat.

EDIT: FWIW, Michael Moore was on Piers Morgan's show the other night, and said he has some embarassing footage of the Gingrinch from back in the day. From his demeanour I'd guess he means mildly embarassing (and to today's Republican voters, probably not embarassing at all, since they seem to find all shows of stupidity from their leadership personally empowering). Michael Moore was good on the show, though. Piers Morgan remains, as ever, Piers Morgan.

[Stephen Morgan]

Technically it's not a leadership contest. And why were you watching Moron?

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Technically it's not a leadership contest.

I like to believe that too.

And why were you watching Moron?

I... I can't explain it. I was just sitting there... It was like I was watching another person, like I was watching myself from the outside, while that other person sat there and watched that....

I can't explain it. I can't excuse it. This is the thing I thought would never come.

[redsock]

He's not the only one to say, man, we sure could use another terrorist attack.
But I cannot recall who the others are.

[MacCruiskeen]

Surely you are not seriously suggesting that our elected rulers actually welcome events that enable them to maintain, exploit and extend that power??!!???!!! What the hell are you, a conspiracy theorist?

Clearly Newt Gingrich did not actually mean what he demonstrably said. He must have meant something else -- ours not to reason what, exactly. Only a conspiracy theorist would even ask him to clarify.

[MacCruiskeen]

My online irony just totally pwned Newt Gingrich. I wonder if the ruling class will ever recover from that.

[82_28]

He's not the only one to say, man, we sure could use another terrorist attack.
But I cannot recall who the others are.

I'm not saying I'm even remotely "prophetic" or what. But I called this a decade ago. The plan was hatched before these right wing retards who haunt the CIA etc ran the math on the Internet -- which was you gotta just stick around it see what it's going to do. You can't predict the shit. "Viral" and "blogosphere" hadn't entered the lexicon nor conventional wisdom yet. I've long maintained that the purpose of the towers were built to be eventually destroyed in an amazing show for the future. That's why there were two of them. I watched "Man on a Wire" a couple of years ago and that's when it dawned on me. The dude's schtick of tightrope walking between the two buildings hinged upon a future documentary which was meticulously documented. I mean, really? WTF? How do you meticulously document shit before the age of even a fucking camcorder or even a shoulder mounted VHS video camera? Seriously, how? Yet it was and on film itself too. It even goes into how they "snuck" past security and shit and made a base within the upper reaches of the building on an unoccupied floor. They didn't sneak past shit. This is why I maintain that this shit was planned far, far, far in advance of what we may think.

They didn't know about the Internet back then. There are no terrorists. Never have been and never will be. Humans when they care for themselves care for themselves and take care of each other.

[Elvis]

Surely you are not seriously suggesting that our elected rulers actually welcome events that enable them to maintain, exploit and extend that power??!!???!!! What the hell are you, a conspiracy theorist?

No, I just hate freedom!

[seemslikeadream]

Palestinians attack Gingrich comment on 'invented' people
By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) -- Senior Palestinian leaders on Saturday strongly criticized comments by Republican presidential frontrunner Newt Gingrich that the Palestinians are an "invented" people, calling them ignorant and racist.

Top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said the Gingrich remark was "the most racist statement I've ever seen."

Erakat, who has negotiated in talks with Israel and the United States, said the remarks show "how really despicable things can get" in American politics.

"Such thinking should be an alarm and concern for the world," Erakat said.

Gingrich made the comments in an interview that aired Friday with The Jewish Channel, a U.S. cable channel.

"I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state," Gingrich said in the interview. "Remember, there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, who are historically part of the Arab community."

He added, "And they had a chance to go many places and for a variety of political reasons, we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s. I think it's tragic."
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His comments, seemingly off the path from United States foreign policy supporting a two-state solution in the Middle East, come days after Gingrich attended a forum sponsored by the Republican Jewish Coalition in Washington, D.C., and as the current crop of GOP candidates compete for the Jewish vote.

Palestinians including Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said Gingrich needs to reexamine the history books.

"The Palestinian people inhabited the land since the dawn of history, and intend to remain in it until the end times," Fayyad said Saturday at an event in the West Bank city of Ramallah. "People like Gingrich must consult history, as it seems that all what he knows about the region is the history of the Ottoman era."

Fayyad said "despite oppression, occupation, and assaults, the Palestinian people remain steadfast in their historic land, and will achieve their legitimate rights."

An executive committee member of the Palestine Liberation Organization, Hanan Ashrawi, said Gingrich has "lost touch with reality."

The statements show "ignorance and bigotry" and are "a cheap way to win (the) pro-Israel vote," Ashrawi told Voice of Palestine radio, in comments reported by the Palestinian Authority-controlled WAFA news agency.

Fatah Revolutionary Council member Dimitri Diliani said Gingrich's remarks reflect "the ignorant, provocative, and racist nature of Mr. Gingrich," according to WAFA.

Then and now: A lot the same for Gingrich

"The Palestinian people descended from the Canaanite tribe of the Jebusites that inhabited the ancient site of Jerusalem as early as 3200 B.C.E.," Diliani said. The "Gingrich remarks are ignorant of the basic historical facts of the Middle East."

Diliani also said Gingrich was simply seeking the pro-Israel vote, which he said is "a pathetic political scheme that jeopardizes peace and stability in the region."

While some Israelis share the view espoused by Gingrich, successive Israeli governments have negotiated over the creation of a two-state solution that includes the establishment of a Palestinian state.

But Gingrich described the Middle East peace process as "delusional." He placed heavy blame on the Palestinian Authority and the role of Hamas, the ruling political party in Gaza, for the ongoing unrest, saying they both "represent an enormous desire to destroy Israel."

The Gingrich comments quickly drew criticism from a fellow Republican, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. A spokesman for Romney, who is Gingrich's closest competitor, questioned the former House speaker's approach.

"I'm not sure that kind of statement gets us any closer to accomplishing an agenda," said Mary Kramer, former U.S. Ambassador to Barbados and Romney surrogate. "And so that's one of the things that I think makes me a little bit nervous about Speaker Gingrich is that he sometimes makes comments that open to very broad interpretations."

[Grizzly]

Gingrich is not the only one catapulting the ideology, anybody remember, redrum, er, uh, rummy,


Rumsfeld On 2006 Election: "The Correction For That...Is An Attack"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/1 ... 01537.html

This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack.

P.S. Off topic, but is it appropriate to download the rigorousintuition archives? Would that mess up the site? I ask, cause I'm sure the censorship is coming and would like to have access to the data here if we go off line. I'd be willing to buy it, if possible. I'm sure it's huge, but probably well worth the money. Anyone? (should I make a post on it's own to discuss this and what are the contingency plans if rig becomes a target of SOPA.