Has anyone ever tried to interview Paul Bonacci?

by **chiggerbit** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:38 pm

Is there any conspiracy that Gunderson doesn't poke his finger in? So, what are you saying JM? Gunderson videotaped some interviews and left them laying around for someone else to tape over? Christ, how many different people has Gunderson lived with, anyway?

by JM » Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:14 pm

You just hit the nail. By his own admission, gunderson sleeps around on people's couches. He does not have a physical address, just a P.O. Box in Santa Monica. Try serving a subpoena there! When I threw him out of my place (not an easy task) and found the bills he had run up, I discovered he had filed bankruptcy. He had countless creditors after him...now I was just one more. When I tried to go after him for the $30,000 he embezzled from me, I was told by an FBI agent that "what he did to [me] was nothing compared to..." People should check out anyone they get involved with. I sure learned the hard way...but that was before computers and the Internet. And would you trust an ex FBI chief? We are thinking he sticks himself in high profile cases on purpose. Do da name COINTELPRO mean anything to ya? JM

by **chiggerbit** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:45 pm

If you have any of the inside information, what do you think of the Bonacci/ Franklin story? Gunderson's involvement in that is one thing that makes me uncomfortable about DeCamp's story. Even so, i sure would have loved to have seen those videotapes.

by **chiggerbit** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:37 pm

I'm surprised there aren't more undercurrents on this site with regards to Ted Gunderson, considering how the site educateyourself(?) has been very supportive of Ted Gunderson, and your experience with Gunderson has been so negative. And you aren't the only one, either, JM. I'm no expert in conspiracies, but I have read enough to have a whole lot of unanswered questions.

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:38 am

Accidentally came across this interview, which I had mis-filed, and totally forgotten. Yikes, a piece I had been looking for. I keep asking myself if the Catholic hierarchy has institutionalized the sexual abuse of boys. If we accept that DeCamp's story is the truth (no, I have not quite arrived at conclusion yet, but that may still happen), then should we not also ask if the church is also involved in this conspiracy of the prostitution of children? Sorry if this is a repeat. <a href="http://www.americanfreepress.net/Conspiracy/11_02%20Peculiar%20Ties%20Connect%20Boy.htm">www.americanfreepress.net...%20Boy.htm</a> Peculiar Ties Connect Boys Town to CIA Although the national media have focused on pedophilia and abuse committed by Catholic priests in the Boston area and elsewhere, the media have consistently suppressed an even more explosive and related story. For years, former Nebraska State Sen. John DeCamp has spearheaded an inquiry into a massive pedophile ring with a base of operations in Omaha, Nebr., that has been linked to high-ranking political figures in Washington. Recently, DeCamp won a $1 million civil judgment against former big-name Republican Party figure Larry King (an Omaha credit union founder) on behalf of a young man, Paul Bonacci, who charged that King had molested him and brought him into the pedophile ring. DeCamp was the guest on the Feb. 24 broadcast of Radio Free America, the weekly talk forum sponsored by AFP with host Tom Valentine. Valentine’s questions are in boldface. DeCamp’s responses are in regular text. Caller’s comments are in italics. When your client, Paul Bonacci, filed a law suit against Larry King of the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, you also named the Catholic Arch diocese of Omaha as a co-defendant. Why? The reason was that my client said that it was because of a couple of Catholic priests there started doing improper things to him at a very young age that started him into the tragic life that he led. The federal judge ruled that it was not possible to name the archdiocese—that it couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything, because how would they know what individual priests had been doing. In other words: “How would the bishop have known anything to stop it?” This sounds just like the current controversy in Boston, except this happened long before the Boston scandal. That’s right. It was exactly like Boston. I took it so seriously at the time that I went to Rome and met with Cardinal Ratzinger. He’s the one who has been in charge of this systemic problem in the church of priests involved in pedophilia. Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn’t get anyone to do anything 12 or 13 years ago when I was writing about this and filing my lawsuit. I appealed the decision removing the diocese from my lawsuit. I went before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals and they upheld the judge’s decision in favor of removal of the diocese. I went on to win the rest of the lawsuit against Larry King, but I was always bitter because I knew that I was right. This problem of priests abusing their position and abusing young children was a serious problem and not being properly dealt with by the church. Of course, there have been some major cases in recent years, but these cases trace back to events many years ago. So now we have the Catholic Archdiocese in Boston paying out millions to settle claims. But my case in Omaha was thrown out. When in the course of your investigations did you begin to realize that Boys Town in Omaha was essentially a “farm” for what you determined to be a national network of pedophiles that extended well beyond pedophilic priests? When the children I was representing—and in the course of interviewing others—brought the role of Boys Town up as a central point. At least certain elements of Boys Town were being improperly used. How did you get the British Broadcasting Company [BBC] interested in coming over and doing the explosive documentary that they produced on Boys Town (but which was never aired)? I did nothing to get them interested. Somehow the BBC got a copy of an early edition of my book. They sent over a preliminary team and, for whatever reason unknown to me, the BBC sent over an entire investigative mission. Over a period of nine months or so they produced the program entitled Conspiracy of Silence. It was scheduled in all of the TV guides to appear on the Discovery Channel on a particular date and at the last minute it was pulled and never saw daylight. I called the individual who handles the Discovery Channel programming and he told me that the program had been bought up and sealed and was never to be seen. However, a copy of the video was sent to me from parties unknown, who were obviously concerned that the program was not going to be aired. Some $500,000 was paid to buy the airtime for the program. So, whoever bought it at the last minute was able to prevent it from being shown. However, the copies of the videotape are out there and are being widely distributed.* Now you have picked up a new client and it ties directly into Boys Town. My client is the former head of Boys Town. He was the head longer than anyone in the history of Boys Town. His name is Monsignor Robert Hupp. In 1976, he was appointed as a U.S. delegate to the United Nations, the only clergyman ever appointed to that position. He contacted me. He’s 87 years old. I met with him and he needed some help. He felt, I guess, at his advanced age that he wanted to correct some problems and abuses that he had tried to years ago. Just after I was asked to represent him, he completed a major recorded deposition in the presence of many church lawyers, and also attorneys for a number of altar boys who had been abused by priests. Did he come to you because there were suits against Boys Town? There were lawsuits against the Catholic Archdiocese of Omaha and Boys Town is a part of the archdiocese. The position of the church, which was very public, was that they knew nothing about the abuse and, if they had known, they would have done something about it. That’s very important to understand. They are saying, “We didn’t know, so how can we be held responsible. If we had known, we would have done something about it.” However, the essence of what Monsignor Hupp asked me to do was to help get the true story out, because what he had to say was rather shocking and would totally disprove that claim here in Omaha and probably in a lot of other places. I made the arrangements so that he could get his story out under oath. The deposition that he gave in this case may be sealed, but one way or another the story he had to tell will come out. Let me give you some background on Monsignor Hupp so that it will all probably make sense. In 1969, Hupp became was what is called the “vicar general” of the Catholic Archdiocese of Omaha. A vicar general is the second-in-command, just below the bishop. When the bishop is gone, the vicar general acts in his place. He held this post until 1973. During that time he became aware of the problem of sexual abuse. He officially notified the bishop at the time, Bishop Sheehan, and said, “This is terrible. You have to do something.” From 1969 to 1973, Hupp was making an issue of this but the bishop did nothing but move the priest to another parish. So, we overcame the first defense that “We didn’t know and if we did know, we would have done something.” Then, Hupp gave an ultimatum to the bishop, saying, “I am resigning as vicar general,” and the bishop tells him that he can’t do it. Hupp said, “I will either resign and you will accept my resignation or I will go to the Omaha World-Herald newspaper and we’ll see what happens then.” So the bishop let him resign. Shortly thereafter, Hupp was appointed to be the head of Boys Town. Today Hupp believes this was sort of a reward for keeping quiet. He served as head of Boys Town until 1985 and, of course, went on film with the BBC acknowledging that he was like the wife who was the last to know. He is now determined to do what he can to correct the problem. He sees this as a failure to address the issue which caused it to get worse. Are you able to determine how many boys from Boys Town got dragged into these national pedophile rings? I know there were many. I did not realize how serious and widespread it was until about the last six months. I had a visitor from the federal public defender’s office in Las Vegas. They called me and said: “I think we have a common interest.” They said: “Well, you know about a place called Boys Town.” I responded: “You federal prosecutors have been part of the problem, helping to cover up what’s going on there.” They said, “Would you be willing to meet with us?” I agreed and they were there the next morning waiting at my office door. They were representing a fellow named Paine who is on death row in Las Vegas. He had a bad habit of killing taxi drivers. This Paine had a number of brothers and they had all been raised in Boys Town. When Paine was convicted it turned out that, as they explained it to me, he was a multiple personality that was deliberately created. In other words, someone had used psychiatric techniques and sexual abuse to alter this young man’s mind. Yes, and this happened at Boys Town. The story he told was that all of these mind control experiments were being carried out. Now, the first time you hear this, you think, “Oh, they are in la-la land.” However, the federal public defender went on to explain that Paine had revealed to them a host of very serious problems going on at Boys Town. Both he and his brothers had been involved, and Paine’s attorneys wanted me to share with them any information that I had come up with. They are appealing Paine’s death sentence and hope to use this information in the appeal. The attorneys told me that this boy had another brother, Andre, who lived in Omaha. It turns out that many years before, on the very night the Franklin Credit Union was raided and closed by the federal authorities, he and a group of boys were taken out of Boys Town in the middle of the night and moved to an institution out of state. I told these federal public defenders, after giving them a copy of my book: “I predict that after you read the book and before we get very far into this case that you will suddenly get intimidated and lose your interest. You’ll find that the FBI was involved in the cover-up of all of this.” They said, “Oh no, no, no.” So they lined up the brother, Andre, who is now in his early 20s, to meet with me. Andre told me all of the same things that my previous client, Paul Bonacci, and others had told me. But he had never had any contact with any of them. They had the same stories, the same information, the same people. However, Andre gave me some more information on how organized it was at Georgetown and how he was taken out of Boys Town on a regular basis to participate in sexual parties where they did pornographic films. They would say he was being taken on a visit to his mother, but, in fact, he was not visiting his mother. It wasn’t 24 hours later I got a call from the kid and he told me that he was heading out of town. The reason why was because the FBI had shown up at the place where he was registered to go to computer school and seized the computers and told them the boy was involved in all kinds of things. He was kicked out of school. The FBI then went to his apartment and scared his landlord into evicting him. And they went to the place where he worked as a clerk and that place fired him. The kid knew he was in trouble and he said, “If they come after me again, I’m going to kill myself.” But I’ve put this young man in touch via e-mail with Noreen Gosch, whose son Johnny was kidnapped and brought into these sex rings. They’ve been exchanging information. What’s happened with the federal public defenders representing Andre Paine’s brother? They stopped contacting me. Another one of your clients who was involved in the Boys Town affair in the early days also ran for his life under similar circumstances. Yes, that was Rusty Nelson, who had been a photographer at some of these sex parties. I found him in an Oregon prison after the authorities said that he never existed. I got him out of prison and brought him as a witness. He brought pictures that proved the Larry King connection in the case against King and in the same case where the judge threw out the archdiocese of Omaha as a defendant. Your research has focused on Omaha, but this whole sex ring involving Larry King and Boys Town extends nationwide, all the way to Washington and involves the CIA and parts of the military. I only focused on Omaha because it happened to be an important staging ground for so much of the intrigue that I documented. There was a confluence of institutions here in the Omaha area that are linked to all of this pedophile network. One of those institutions is Offutt Air Force Base, which, of course, is where the head of the Strategic Air Command (SAC) is located. The SAC is the most secure place in the world. That’s where they took President Bush on Sept. 11. As a Nebraska senator, I was in there. They have, beneath the ground, more of a secure barricaded facility that could take a nuclear hit. What’s interesting—and this came out after the fall of the Soviet Union—is that there were more CIA people stationed and operating out of Omaha and Offutt than at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va. Your research (and that of others) indicates that, for a variety of reasons, this national pedophile network is tied to the mind control and mind-altering experiments that have been conducted by the CIA under such names as MK-ULTRA. These have been acknowledged by the CIA and written about even in such mainstream publications as The New York Times. This mind control programming includes get ting small children and confusing them with sex and drugs. As I pointed out in my book, many of the kids taken out of Boys Town and who were part of the sex ring being operated by Larry King were often taken out to Offutt Air Force Base. I believe that Offutt was the military component, so to speak, or contact point, for what we now know were mind control experiments in the MK-ULTRA mode. Here’s a caller, Ken: Are you familiar with the name John Jubert? Yes, he was executed for the murder of two small boys. I knew John Jubert and have been in correspondence with his mother. I was a senior at the same small military college in Vermont when he was a freshman. He was a good follower, but not a leader. He was always looking to please other people. He left school and went into the Air Force and ended up at Offutt. He killed two little boys. That wasn’t the John that I knew. I had heard some stories about Offutt and know about the goings-on. As I learned more, it was clear that he was all wrapped up in this child sex ring. It seemed as if he were trying to impress somebody by committing this crime. In your research, John DeCamp, have you been able to link this Jubert to what you’ve been investigating? John Jubert had some other links that go directly into what we are talking about here. But I don’t think this is the time or the place to go into that right now. He was proved to have skinned alive two little boys from the Omaha area. I know when you tell people about things like this, they think you are nuts. Are people in denial or does this system go so high that if you challenge those responsible you just disappear or what? I will say that my client, Monsignor Hupp, had turned over to the bishop the name of a member of the clergy from the Omaha area who had killed a boy and they wouldn’t do anything about it. Again, I can’t go into that now. I wrote my book at the suggestion of William Colby, the former director of the CIA. He said: “Write it for your own protection. Tell the story and nobody will have any reason to do you in, since you’ve already said it. They may try to make you sound like a kook, but at least they won’t have to kill you to shut you up.”

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:46 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I will say that my client, Monsignor Hupp, had turned over to the bishop the name of a member of the clergy from the Omaha area who had killed a boy and they wouldn’t do anything about it. Again, I can’t go into that now.<hr></blockquote> Unh-huh, can't go into it now.

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:59 pm

www.americanfreepress.net...%20Boy.htm When your client, Paul Bonacci, filed a law suit against Larry King of the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, you also named the Catholic Arch diocese of Omaha as a co-defendant. Why? The reason was that my client said that it was because of a couple of Catholic priests there started doing improper things to him at a very young age that started him into the tragic life that he led. The federal judge ruled that it was not possible to name the archdiocese—that it couldn’t possibly be guilty of anything, because how would they know what individual priests had been doing. In other words: “How would the bishop have known anything to stop it?” This sounds just like the current controversy in Boston, except this happened long before the Boston scandal. That’s right. It was exactly like Boston. I took it so seriously at the time that I went to Rome and met with Cardinal Ratzinger. He’s the one who has been in charge of this systemic problem in the church of priests involved in pedophilia. Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn’t get anyone to do anything 12 or 13 years ago when I was writing about this and filing my lawsuit. <a href="http://www.telegram.com/static/crisisinthechurch/042904.html">www.telegram.com/static/c...42904.html</a> Thursday, April 29, 2004 Mr. Shea, who is representing several people who say they were abused by clergy, said that after filing the suits he discovered two documents that he believes show an ongoing conspiracy by the Catholic Church to hush up sexual abuse by priests. He believes that Crimen and a so-called Ratzinger memo, which he found on the Vatican Web site, are crucial to proving a conspiracy. He argued that he needs to see the personnel records to see how these issues were handled in the past. <a href="http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/ethicscontents34.htm">www.multiline.com.au/~joh...ents34.htm</a> References cont. (34) — Clergy Child Molesters Secrecy demand in Vatican paper. WASHINGTON: A confidential Vatican document drafted more than 40 years ago set out a policy that demanded total secrecy in cases of sex abuse by priests, according to a news report. The policy was written in 1962 by Cardinal Alfred Ottaviani and said that anyone who spoke out about sexual abuse could be kicked out of the Church, CBS News in the United States reported on Wednesday [Aug 6]. The document dealt with what it called the "worst crime" -- sexual assault committed by a priest or "attempted by him with youths of either sex or with brute animals", the CBS News report said. The document called on bishops to pursue such cases "in the most secretive way . . . restrained by a perpetual silence . . . and everyone (including the alleged victim) . . . is to observe the strictest secret, which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office . . . under the penalty of excommunication". A spokesman for the US Conference of Bishops, Monseigneur ["Monsignor" is usual Church spelling] Francis Maniscalco, said the text was being taken out of context and that it was meant to deal only with religious crimes and to shield Church members from any scandal. "This is a system of law which is complete in itself and is not telling the bishops in any way about how to handle these crimes when they are considered as civil crimes," he told CBS. But Larry Drivon, a lawyer who represents alleged victims of sexual abuse, told CBS: "It's an instruction manual on how to deceive and how to protect paedophiles." Church records indicate that the document was the basis of the Church's sex abuse policy, until US bishops drafted a new policy last year. US bishops say that at least 400 priests have been dismissed over sex abuse charges since the new policy was written. -- The West Australian, "Secrecy demand in Vatican paper," Agence France-Presse, Fri Aug 8 03, p 30 [COMMENT: Like most news media reports, this one does not mention that the secret document is dealing with using Confession (Penance) as a cloak to solicit sex. However, commentators like Larry Drivon are correct about the apparent deception in the Church. There is an error of implication in the above newsitem: Cardinal Ottaviani is unlikely to have personally written the document. His name is on it as the "prefect" or head of the "congregation" or Vatican department that composed the document, probably Crimen Sollicitationis or "The Crime of Solicitation" (see below) of March 16, 1962. For previous newsitems, read from July 29 2003. COMMENT ENDS.] Aug 8 03 ....... ...................• ENGLISH TRANSLATION, EXTRACTS. Selected extracts from the above flawed English translation "Cases of the Crime of Solicitation" of the supposed Vatican document Causis de Crimine Sollicitationis. The secrecy provisions can be seen in sections 11, 13, and 70, and in Formula A for taking the oath of secrecy, which cannot be broken even for the most urgent and most serious causes. Only 90 kb -- read this to save bandwidth <a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/part1.pdf">www.natcath.com/NCR_Onlin.../part1.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/part2.pdf">www.natcath.com/NCR_Onlin.../part2.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/part3.pdf">www.natcath.com/NCR_Onlin.../part3.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/documents/part4.pdf">www.natcath.com/NCR_Onlin.../part4.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.ritualabuse.net/franklin.htm">www.ritualabuse.net/franklin.htm</a> Noreen Gosch, mother of kidnapped Des Moines paperboy During the course of the investigation, the first year of it, the FBI paid a visit to our home and said they would not be entering the case. The police chief just would not order things to be done. They would not bring in aerial search, they wouldn't bring in a K-9 team, they didn't do the normal things that you would do to try and rule out a murder, for instance, if there was a missing person and a body somewhere. So I contacted the National Guard and they told me that, yes, they would use their helicopters but they would charge me $600 an hour in order to do it. And that became a news item, because we did have a lot of press coverage on this story. And a TV station from Omaha offered their helicopter for free.(My emphasis)

by **Sweejak** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:54 pm

"I went to Rome to complain.... and here is exactly what happened. This is not a joke... ... I went to a cardinal and he shocked the hell out of me because he said "yes we know all about this problem and I commend you for filing your lawsuit and I hope you get something done about it" ... anyway why don't you do something about it? He said we've tried but the Catholic Church in America, contrary to what people think, makes it clear that they don't listen to Rome, they march to their own drummer and they say they're handling the problem in their own way and yes they know about and yes they are dealing with it and they want us to keep our nose out of it. ... anyway this cardinal .... was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. ... anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to more activity and action from Rome on this issue...." John DeCamp interviewed by Phil Jayhan on Deadline Live, May 6, 2005

by **Dreams End** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:29 am

Does anyone know if the "America's Most Wanted" shows on bonnaci/gosch are available? And did the 20 /20 show ever air in which Bonacci was interviewed? Both are mentioned in the transcripts of the Bonnaci v. King case.

by **Starman** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:58 am

webcast video: "Conspiracy of Silence," the Franklin cover-up video, by xx (Tuesday March 04, 2003) [RealVideo: stream with RealPlayer] <a href="http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.ram,">sf.indymedia.org/uploads/...ce56k.ram,</a> <a href="http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm,">sf.indymedia.org/uploads/...nce56k.rm,</a> or RM file (33.3 megabytes, [MB]) of same video in a higher res format for downloading: <a href="http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv.">sf.indymedia.org/uploads/...ence2.wmv.</a> Conspiracy of Silence, a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. Researched and documented by a British journalistic team who came to the United States just for the story, it was censored at the last minute. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. Many children suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas, Nevada and Toronto, Canada. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. More Alex Jones interviewing ex-Senator/attorney John DeCamp about the King/Franklin cover-up crime and reading from Bonnaci's diary; I'm not going to post everyting Bonnaci wrote about his ordeal at Bohemian Grove -- it's too awful. Some folks may not even want to go there. Starman The link is: <a href="http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/309481.shtml">portland.indymedia.org/en...9481.shtml</a> Partial transcript of: articles and MP3 radio interview with Ex-Senator, attorney, and book author DeCamp, "Interview of Ex-Senator Decamp on Government Child Killings, " by xx (Thursday Oct. 24, 2002), <a href="http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/10/1538670_comment.php">www.indybay.org/news/2002...omment.php</a> ; --excerpt-- JD: Anyway, so there was what he claimed. I wasn't there so I don't know so well. That's the closest I've been to Bohemian Grove. Paul took me out, and showed me where it was--and indeed there is a place there. And I didn't know there was a place called Bohemian Grove. I didn't write Bohemian Grove in the book because I didn't know what it was. I just took his diary. Anyway, it clearly is where he was taken, and he was taken out there for a ceremony--in which they committed some pretty horrible things on another boy and three boys; and they filmed it and I just took his word and the names he wrote there right in the book. And by the way just to answer your next question. Yes, I put names in the book, dates and everything that I could just as they were. Why? Because I figured: blow it out all straight; and a number of threatening calls came to me after the first edition came out. "This is the most liablest, slanderest thing we've ever heard." I said fine. I think I've done enough to prove it, and I'm satisfied. If somebody feels that way. I said "if somebody said these things about me, I'd sue them for liableist slander." AJ: And here you are 10 years later, and you're winning lawsuits. [based on that information] JD: Well, there was indeed one libel slander lawsuit as a result of the book. But, that was one I filed against some group called Great Atlantics Telecast Company--some TV network on the east coast--when they had one of the characters in the book, who also happened to be running for president at the time, go around saying, "Oh, don't believe this, and don't believe this, is a lie" and they reported him, and I sued him. Well it ended up they ended up paying me off, backing down and reaching a settlement. AJ: Stay right there, Senator. This is powerful info. It's all coming up. JD: That's right. Right here in Austin, Texas. Every month they're grabbing the equivalent of 5 first grade classrooms of child protective services. No rights, no nothing. Parents, it's just a total takeover and the very people doing this here locally are involved in their own forms of wickedness which is a whole another show. This stuff is proliflic. It is a cult of evil and it's more wide spread than you can probably can imagine. Senator Decamp, we were talking during the break and you made the point how this is this new world . What do you mean by this new world? JD: Well, you just talked about some of it. You just talked about some of it. About 5 , 6 years ago on behalf of a family here that was just totally destroyed by both protective services. I filled a class action suit against the entire system and finally the plantiff , myself, I just couldn't keep it up. They had unlimited lawyers on the other side but I did bring out an awful, awful lot of things that are sure proof enough since then from the way they take kids. The way , your rights the parents are pretty well destroyed. But I'm not going into that now we can talk about that another day. AJ: It's just such a horror. JD: A whole new world we live in from I guess what I thought I grew up in here long, long time ago admittedly. I keep I said to you it sure is a new world order. I think or something like that and then I realized that it was a worn out phrase that I guess some people are really trying to implement. But anyway... AJ: Continuing you actually have a passages in your book out of the diary ... JD: Well, I have a , I have right here the diary. Do you want me to read a little? Understand that I didn't know that the thing was called Bohemian Grove back then, nor did the kid Paul when he was writing about it. All he knew was he was taken to this place. Let me just read it. It'll take three minutes. Is that o.k.? AJ: Go ahead. JD: "I went in January"--now this is Paul Bonacci writing this. This is directly word for word, from his diary. "I went in January of '84 on every trip. I was paid by men King knew for sex. The summer of 84' sometime, I was (?) and had sex with several men King knew in a hotel. I flew on (YNR) airlines--by the way it's a private airline or private charter deal--and Cam airlines, another charter deal normally for King. I never had much personally to do with King--only went where he told me to go. In or on July 26th [by the way, Bohemian Grove is two weeks every summer], I went to Sacramento, CA. King flew me out in a private plane from (Eplick) airfield in Omaha to Denver where we picked up Nicholas, a boy who was about 12 or 13. Then we flew to Vegas--to a desert strip--and drove into Las Vegas to some ranch and got something. Then flew on to to Sacramento. We were picked up by a white limo in Sacramento and taken to a hotel. I don't remember the name of it. We meaning, Nicholas and I, were driven to an area that had big, big trees. It took about an hour to get there. There was a cage with a boy in it who was not wearing anything. Nicholas and I were given these tarzan things to put around us and stuff like that. They told me to, I won't use the word, blank the boy and stuff. In other words, have sex with. At first, I said 'No' and they held a gun to my genitals I'll use the word and said 'do it or else lose them' or something like that. [ more ] *Potentially Triggering*

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:45 am

Listen - Archived Show - Part 1 Listen - Archived Show - Part 2 There are a couple of things that bother me about the above audio interview, as well as other things I have read on the net. There are a couple of Catholic ads connected to the above interviews, and I believe that DeCamp himself is Catholic, so when he says he has made no connetion of wrong-doing to the Vatican, I have to wonder. I want to know the extent of the priests' involvement in this, and how hard did Ratzinger really try to do something to correct the situation? And DeCamps says he reported this to Ratzinger and was told that the AMERICAN Catholic heirarchy told the Vatican to butt out? Sure, Ratzinger is such a wuss that he would take that lying down. Unh-huh! Second, DeCamp talks about his FBI buddy who has been such a great help, without naming him, but it sounds like Ted Gunderson. Plus, I have seen on other sites that Gunderson was involved. Sorry, but Gunderson's involvement makes me very uncomfortable. Last concern is his ex-CIA buddy William Colby, who died so mysteriously I will grant. But, both DeCamp and Colby had participated in the Phoenix Project in VietNam, and DeCamp goes to great lenghths to illustrate how honorable Colby is. Phoenix was not an honorable program. I want to know more about their time in this program. I'm still not sure about this one. This isn't to say that I disbelieve the story, just that I would like more information. It also means that I could believe most of the information, but also believe that DeCamp has a blind spot or two.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:11 pm

With all of these issues you get this phenomenon of rock solid data: thinks like: gosch was kidnapped, there was a call boy scandal in DC, Bonacci won a lawsuit, the Monseigneur (or whoever the guy on the video who was running Boys Town was) admits bad things happening at Boys Town. Then as the stories get strung out to their extremes, you get stuff that is questionable (I'm not saying wrong...and Bonacci provides SO much detail.) Bohemian Grove gets thrown in there when that became "fashionable" to talk about, for example. I was SURE that what was happening is that DeCamp was feeding Bonacci additional information to fit into his overall world view. Maybe not even consciously. One of my main pieces of "evidence" however, was Bonacci's insistence that Hunter Thompson was involved in this...actually in using these kids for snuff films. I just naturally get skeptical when famous people (who evidently use their real names during these criminal activities) start popping up. Everyone draws their "believability line" at different places. That was mine (I guess I was a HST fan, as well.) Then I saw the quote that has probably been posted here before: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> The autumn months are never a calm time in America. . . . There is always a rash of kidnapping and abductions of schoolchildren in the football months. Preteens of both sexes are traditionally seized and grabbed off the streets by gangs of organized perverts who traditionally give them as Christmas gifts to each other to be personal sex slaves and playthings. (from Hey, Rube, p. 3)<hr></blockquote> Now, this doesn't prove anything, of course, as HST was known to have a style of fictionalizing his personal life. But it sure is odd. It's on the very first page of the last book he wrote before he died (seems likely it really was suicide, but if this stuff was about to come out, that would make sense. ) I just couldn't think why he would have said this. Not enough people are aware of the online "whisperings" of such activities that this would work as a joke making fun of such beliefs. It really shook me. So my line moved a little further on. And you are right, chiggerbit, to be concerned about DeCamp's Phoenix background and his relationship with Colby. Colby even gives some (rather vague) support on the documentary. By the way, DeCamp is another one of those examples of someone who seizes onto an important issue, uts out some very good information but has some questionable motives that may taint some of the information. I think of Gunderson here as well. And also Danny Sheehan, formerly of Christic (now working on UFO's with the Disclosure project), Lyndon Larouche and maybe Ramsey Clark who, for some reason, has taken up with Maoists to do his peace work and has also defended Larouche in court. I also include our friend Ruppert on this list, but we won't continue that debate on this thread. The point is that it's a familiar pattern that may be a disinformation technique. Get someone close to a real story, add some questionable stuff, discredit the real stuff. I am also reminded of the "Aviary", supposed Defense Intelligence guys providing the truth about UFO's to people like William Moore. There was a UFO special on TV that these guys appeared on (in shadow) and gave all kinds of info about US work with the aliens. The story got more and more unbelievable until he finally offered that the aliens liked strawberry ice cream. Whatever truth there was, if any, to his story, was dismissed, I"m guessing, by most of the viewers after that. That said, I was impressed with Bonnaci's testimony in the transcript and it really seems his story and those of others, such as Noreen Gosch, really hang together fairly well.

by **Sweejak** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38 pm

Dreamsend. I've seen that pattern you describe over and over again... we end up having to use rigorous (hopefully) intuition.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>With all of these issues you get this phenomenon of rock solid data<hr></blockquote> Exactly. Add in the plane explosion which killed the lead investigator and his young son, as well as the deaths of family members of witness/victims, as well has a whole roster of other unusual deaths. That's why it is such a travesty that the tapes of Gunderson's interview with Bonacci are ruined. There is much that could be gained from viewing them, whether Gunderson is credible or not. The worst I am going to speculate about DeCamp at this point is that he may have a blind spot and may be a bit naive. As for Gunderson, this kind of case and the Gosch case are like spoiled fruit to fruit flies.

by **Starman** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:42 pm

Just a tidbit or couple: Apparently, the authenticity of Bonacci's diaries have been laboratory-tested and confirmed, as the ink and other characteristics showed age and differences in time consistent with being written over many years as Bonacci claimed -- and JD was reading from Bonacci's diary re: events Bonnaci claimed happened at Bohemian Grove (circa 84-86?) It's not absolute proof as such a thing could be faked, but it tends to push it further towards credibility. And Yeah, what Dreams End wuz drivin at, the seeming 'hint' Hunter Thompson gave about being more in-the-know about about some really dark stuff -- Was he involved at Bohemian Grove, perhaps bribed or blackmailed or threatened to get-him implicated so he couldn't later spill-the-beans (we know how 'they' are skilled at compromising folks -- a drugged drink and hypnotic suggestion, provided with a compliant girl-boy child(s) well-trained to provide irresistable sexual pleasure, all conveniently documented by film/photos -- I suspect a LOT of key officials in the military, government and industry esp. MSM have been compromised in similiar manner and are now being induced into going-along with the Bush-fronted globalist cartel -- blackmail along with lucrative bribes and 'favors', perhaps reinforced with 'bonus' satisfaction of cultivated forbidden desires -- after all, we're talking application of mind-control techniques with practical payoff) or was Thompson asked to photograph Bohemian Grove and declined, replaced with a stand-in look-alike and so implicated against his desires, effectively STILL blackmailed from writing about what he knew? Wheels within wheels within wheels, and layers within layers and layers ... It's tuff to figure out what the real agenda and motivation of whistleblowers and ex-agents speaking out may be -- seems, anything that becomes vocal or visible in the public eye has the potential of being spun or wrung for a specific function, damage control or limited hangout or deflection or plain disinfo or to 'manage' the potentially damaging info or? I try to take it all with a grain of salt-encased sodium-pentathol, subject to verification from other sources and the emerging context/background. But it IS one helluva complex job. I really WANT to think there are ex-agent good-guys like John DeCamp and Joe Wilson and Ray McGovern, but after all, they ARE from some of the most corrupt, criminal-enabling, murderous law-policy-enforcing institutions in the US (and arguably the world), responsible for truly unbelieveable abuses and crimes and horrors. The earlier article Chiggerbit posted about Vatican implicated in Boystown where DeCamp described FBI intimidation of a third RA victim (getting him kicked out of school and his lodging and fired from work) was utterly appalling -- "It wasn’t 24 hours later I got a call from the kid and he told me that he was heading out of town. The reason why was because the FBI had shown up at the place where he was registered to go to computer school and seized the computers and told them the boy was involved in all kinds of things. He was kicked out of school. The FBI then went to his apartment and scared his landlord into evicting him. And they went to the place where he worked as a clerk and that place fired him." Why the hell was the FBI interfering, who were they protecting, and who gave them their orders? That REALLY stinks. A good case has been made that the FBI were relatively straight-shooters until they began getting corrupted by the nexus they encountered of DEA/CIA/IRS/Customs etc. -linked crime corruption, esp. drugs and arms-smuggling in the early to mid 80s under cover of the Bush et al. Drug Czar empire -- perhaps another indication of how law-and-order and civil society has been deliberately compromised allowing gangland crime and organized crime-cartels and widespread urban addiction to impact on American society -- as crime fuels the underground drugs/crime economy that the black-budget bagmen siphon to feed the global oligarchs and their many shadowy partners. Urban blight and overcrowded prisons (with rape and gang racism and a culture of violence), a crippled social services system and psychological trauma and even US export-militarism and arms-proliferation are a consequence of some of these deliberate policies resulting from corrupt leadership -- these crimes DO have consequences. These guys (agents) are SO able to suspend their moral code for a presumed 'greater purpose' like the catch-all 'National Security', that one has to ALWAYS question what they are REALLY motivated for. And perhaps its unfair to paint all agents with such a wide brush, but their agencies HAVE probably done more to facilitate and accomodate unconscionable abuses and horrors and wholesale distortion of law, and effectively betrayed the people of the US. It's unreal to expect there will ever be significant accountability. Perhaps DeCamp and Wilson and McGovern among others are trying to atone in small part for having not objected or taken a stand or made a personal sacrifice (like quitting the job instead of enabling vast crimes peddled as the 'greater good') in the past. But, we need to keep digging and excavating the long-buried hidden truth that resists the light of day, asking hard questions and making those in top positions of authority squirm. Thank God there ARE whistleblowers and ex-officials or members of the bureaucracy who are taking a stand -- just be careful about how far ya trust 'em. Also: Ray McGovern, ex-CIA agent, formed a group in Jan. 2003 called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) after realizing the CIA was being corrupted by political pressure. VIPS now has more than 50 members, including former professionals from the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Department of States Bureau of Intelligence and Research, Army Intelligence, the FBI, the National Security Agency as well as other U.S. intelligence agencies, all who have become extremely dissatisfied with the corruption now existing in the intelligence community. *** That's kinda an encouraging sign. Constructive, meaningful change sure ain't gonna happen without participation from principled (well, what can ya say -- It's relative, right?) folks inside the beast of the corrupt government machine. Starman (sorry for the ramble, I'm having a harder-than-usual time focusing lately).

Has anyone ever tried to interview Paul Bonacci?

Gunderson

Who has Gunderson lived with?

JM

JM, connections

Interesting interivew

Boys Town

Bonnaci, Ratzinger, etc.

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TV shows?

re: Bonnaci and Bohemian Grove, Silence video link

DeCamp

Part of my disinfo concern

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rock solid data

re: 'evidence' leavened with disinfo?

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