'War Whores,' Spielberg's latest film, opens legs wide....

[Burnt Hill]

You are a crank, Hugh.

And sadly, perhaps even tragically, you've done more in your career here to poison the well concerning an awareness of psyops in the mainstream media culture than you have done to illuminate.

A little over the top Sim, be careful you dont fall victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a HMW when psyops is on the line"!
apologies to The Princess Bride

[Simulist]

You are a crank, Hugh.

And sadly, perhaps even tragically, you've done more in your career here to poison the well concerning an awareness of psyops in the mainstream media culture than you have done to illuminate.

A little over the top Sim, be careful you dont fall victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a HMW when psyops is on the line"!
apologies to The Princess Bride

While, admittedly, the crank part might have been over the top — and although others here, such as yourself and anyone else, are free to differ — I'm afraid the rest was not.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Recap OP.

Spielberg has always been a mil-intel psyoperator, rising to prominence in CIA-Hoilywood after the VIetnam War and the new 'volunteer draft'
requires condtitioning kidz to come play war.

The UK's leading academic expert on war propaganda, Phil Taylor, also advises NATO on psyops.
Phil Taylor publishes books on war propaganda.
And one on...Steven Spielberg.

That's right. All books on war progaganda...plus Spielberg.
A professional nod from one expert to another with a wink wink across the MI6-CIA alliance.

http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm? ... &paper=442

BOOKS

1. (Contributing author) POCKETS OF RESISTANCE; BRITISH NEWS MEDIA, WAR AND THEORY IN THE 2003 INVASION OF IRAQ.

by Piers Robinson, Peter Goddard, Kate Parry, Craig Murray, with Philip M Taylor, Manchester University Press, 2010, pp. xi + 214
ISBN H/b: 978-0-7190-8445-3
P/b 978-0-7190-8445-4


2. THE ROUTLEDGE HANDBOOK OF PUBLIC DIPLOMACY

Co-edited with Nancy Snow, Routledge, 2008, pp. xx + 382.
ISBN P/b 978-0-415-95302-3


3. SHOOTING THE MESSENGER: THE POLITICAL IMPACT OF WAR REPORTING

Co-authored with Paul Moorcraft, Potomac Press, 2008, pp. 320.
ISBN: 978-1-57488-947-5


4. WAR AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS IN THE INFORMATION AGE

In Greek, published by Papazisis Editions, Athens, 2004, pp. 485.
P/b ISBN 960-02-1751-3.


5. THE HISTORIAN, TELEVISION AND TELEVISION HISTORY

Co-edited with Graham Roberts, University of Luton Press, 2001) pp. ix + 181.
P/b ISBN 1-86020-586-0.


6. BRITISH PROPAGANDA IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY: SELLING DEMOCRACY

Edinburgh University Press, 1999; in the USA Columbia University Press, pp. xii + 269.
H/b ISBN 0 7486 1040 5; P/b ISBN 07486-1039-1.


7. GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS, INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS AND THE MEDIA SINCE 1945

Routledge, 1997, pp. xx + 248.
H/b ISBN 0-415-11678-3; P/b ISBN 0-415-11679-1


8. MEDIA, GUERRE E PACE

Co-authored with David Morrison, Edizioni Gruppo Abele, 1996, pp. 148.
P/b ISBN 88-7670-269-5.


9. WAR AND THE MEDIA: PROPAGANDA AND PERSUASION IN THE GULF WAR

Manchester University Press, 1992, pp. xiv + 338.
H/b ISBN 07190 3753 0; P/b ISBN 07190-37549.
Second Edition (with new introduction, 1998) pp. xxvi + 340. P/b ISBN 07190-5550-4


10. STEVEN SPIELBERG

Batsford, 1992, pp. 176.
P/b ISBN 07134 6693 6. [In the US, published by Continuum as Steven Spielberg: the man, his movies and their meaning};
New Expanded UK & US edition, 1994, pp. 184. P/b ISBN 07134-7761-X.;
Translated Czech edition, Jota, Brno 1994, pp. 212. H/b ISBN 80 85617 28 5;
Translated Taiwanese edition, 1998, pp. 308. P/B ISBN 957-679-419-6.
New expanded edition (with Daniel O'Brien, 1999) pp. 216. P/B ISBN: 0713484527.


11. MUNITIONS OF THE MIND: WAR PROPAGANDA FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD TO THE NUCLEAR AGE

Patrick Stephens, 1990, pp. 240. H/b ISBN 185260-052-7
Translated into Arabic, 2000. ISBN 99906-0-036-8.
New Expanded Edition: MUNITIONS OF THE MIND: A HISTORY OF PROPAGANDA FROM THE ANCIENT WORLD TO THE PRESENT DAY. (Manchester University Press, 1995) pp. 324.
H/b 0-7190-4829-X; P/b 0-7190-4830-3.
3rd Expanded Edition 2003. p/b 0-7190-67677


12. BRITAIN AND THE CINEMA IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR

Editor, Macmillan, 1988, pp. x + 201.
H/b ISBN 0333-43448-X; P/b ISBN 0333-44459-0.


13. BRITISH PROPAGANDA DURING THE FIRST WORLD WAR

Co-authored with M.L. Sanders, Macmillan, 1982, pp. x + 320. H/b ISBN 0333-29725-8.
Translated as Britische Propaganda im Ersten Weltkrieg, 1914-18 (Colloquium Verlag, Berlin, 1990) pp. 265
H/b ISBN 3767807661


14. THE PROJECTION OF BRITAIN: BRITISH OVERSEAS PUBLICITY AND PROPAGANDA, 1919-39

Cambridge University Press, 1981, pp. xv + 363.
H/b ISBN 0521-23843-9.
P/b ISBN0521046416.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Psyops is more sophistiicated than simply 'a pro-war' or 'anti-war' film.

What are the themes presented by the poster for this film? That's what is seen the most by far, not the script.
What are the themes presented by the title and slogan?
What are the themes presented by the images evoked by the plot?

How are these perceived by a six year-old?
How are these perceived by a sixteen year-old?

There are plenty that still pull a young man out towards 'adventure' and 'meaning.'
There are plenty that mollify the war crimes since 9/11, 'dragged into a war not wanted, surviving the odds, a part of epic history, achieving manhood, bonding with allies' etc.

I'd go on but ech. It's too obvious to me. Sorry if that makes me impatient with those who don't see the poster right in front of their eyes tying an awful thing, 'War", with a beautiful thing, 'Horse."

But, how could you miss that? Hidden in plain sight. Like a 'Star Wars' birthday cake for a child.

[Burnt Hill]

You are a crank, Hugh.

And sadly, perhaps even tragically, you've done more in your career here to poison the well concerning an awareness of psyops in the mainstream media culture than you have done to illuminate.

A little over the top Sim, be careful you dont fall victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a HMW when psyops is on the line"!
apologies to The Princess Bride

While, admittedly, the crank part might have been over the top — and although others here, such as yourself and anyone else, are free to differ — I'm afraid the rest was not.

Not picking a fight with you Simulist, you're cool.
But after the year I've had, Its hard for me to consider anything that goes on in this forum as "tragic".

[Simulist]

What are the themes presented by the poster for this film? That's what is seen the most by far, not the script.

The very real bond between a young human and his equine friend.

What are the themes presented by the title and slogan?

To refresh: "Separated by War. Tested by Battle. Bound by Friendship."

That's about a boy and his horse, Hugh.

The young man and his horse-friend, Joey, were "Separated by war, tested by battle," and yet — in spite of that — remain "bound by friendship."

A story of enduring love. Nothing dirty or psyops-y there at all.

What are the themes presented by the images evoked by the plot?

Friendship and love — when it is heartfelt and real — can survive even the ruthlessness of war.

How are these perceived by a six year-old?
How are these perceived by a sixteen year-old?

Probably pretty much like I just said.

There are plenty that still pull a young man out towards 'adventure' and 'meaning.'
There are plenty that mollify the war crimes since 9/11, 'dragged into a war not wanted, surviving the odds, a part of epic history, achieving manhood, bonding with allies' etc.

This isn't about "bonding with allies" in a war — it's about the enduring bond with a friend in spite of a war!

I'd go on but ech. It's too obvious to me.

Projections are usually "obvious" to all of us who project them.

Sorry if that makes me impatient with those who don't see the poster right in front of their eyes tying an awful thing, 'War", with a beautiful thing, 'Horse."

Sorry if that makes me impatient with those who haven't even bothered to see the damn film before passing laughably WRONG judgments against it.

But, how could you miss that?

Because I don't have apophenia? Just a guess.

Hidden in plain sight. Like a 'Star Wars' birthday cake for a child.

Hidden not "in plain sight," but in your hyper-projective mind.

[Simulist]

You are a crank, Hugh.

And sadly, perhaps even tragically, you've done more in your career here to poison the well concerning an awareness of psyops in the mainstream media culture than you have done to illuminate.

A little over the top Sim, be careful you dont fall victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a HMW when psyops is on the line"!
apologies to The Princess Bride

While, admittedly, the crank part might have been over the top — and although others here, such as yourself and anyone else, are free to differ — I'm afraid the rest was not.

Not picking a fight with you Simulist, you're cool.
But after the year I've had, Its hard for me to consider anything that goes on in this forum as "tragic".

Good point.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

No, not MY projections.

I'm pointing out what OTHERS will selectively project.
That's what psyoperators specialize in, evoking the desired emotions out a target audience, even multiple target audiences.

You're review post sounded like a Time Magazine or People Magazine gush.
That makes me doubt your ability to see beyond what you've stated, "it's just a boy who likes his horse. And war is bad."

I hope some reader gets more out of this board than this. sigh.
*signing out* to more fruitful endeavors....thanks for the posts. Later, y'all.

[Simulist]

You're review post sounded like a Time Magazine or People Magazine gush.

Thank you. I meant every single gushing-word of it.

You should really see the movie, Hugh.

War Horse is a deeply moving experience.

[Sepka]

You've never loved a horse, have you, Hugh?

[barracuda]

Nordic, your post really didn't raise the level of the conversation, so I removed it. Please don't do that.

Let's focus on the ideas or their lack, not the spite.

[cptmarginal]

Hey, if the point of releasing "War Horse" was to hijack "War Whores" for uninformed movie-goers, then how does that work? "War Whores" is not a common phrase whatsoever, and even pointing out the homophone could obviously have a subversive effect and even cause people to ridicule the movie; to be further disillusioned with the USA and Hollywood films.

I hope some reader gets more out of this board than this. sigh.
*signing out* to more fruitful endeavors....thanks for the posts. Later, y'all.

Most of the time that I'm getting incredibly fruitful insights from this board and being affected by mind-altering provocations, you are either not part of the thread or have something bizarrely negative and non-informative to say. In regards to the reality of psyops in Hollywood movies, you are not one of those who has helped me to understand this topic, except unintentionally. I have seen you say things about the complexity of these emotional war-mongering psyops that I agree with, but it was never something I hadn't already thought of. Yes, it's complex. No, your examples and your theories do not address the real core of this complexity and manipulation accurately. Yes, you do appear to be a disinfo agent to many casual observers. No, I've never seen you directly reprimanded for accusing others of being disinfo agents despite repeatedly breaking this basic forum rule.

But then again I don't read every thread that I can see is revolving around you - often just from looking at the "General Discussion" page and who has posted to where. Occasionally checking these discussions out has clearly demonstrated to me that it's probably a dead end even talking to you. Every time someone comes along and responds to you in good faith, IMO you've got nothing of substance to say (or, more frequently, you just ignore it). This includes myself, but I won't even point out the threads where you didn't bother responding to my deeply considered objections and observations

And to everyone getting angry at Hugh: Really? Come on...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

...signing in again cuz this is a pivotal moment in the permanent US war economy and it ain't just a kid and his horse love story. jeez....

You do know the cliche, "war horse," right?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/warhorse

1. A horse used in combat; a charger.
2. Informal One who has been through many battles, struggles, or fights.
3. Informal A musical or dramatic work that has been performed so often that it has become widely familiar.

You do know the history of psyops projects with a 'war horse,' right?
Korea?
When Gen. MacArthur was fired for being RECKLESS?
The publicity 'war horse' named...RECKLESS? "Devotion and loyalty."
right.

Steven CIA Spielberg is hijacking military psyops history with a rerun because it perfectly illustrates...keyword hijacking-


http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/mascreck.html

[cptmarginal]

I hope some reader gets more out of this board than this. sigh.
*signing out* to more fruitful endeavors....

[Simulist]

…and it ain't just a kid and his horse love story. jeez....

At last — agreement something that really matters.

You're right: this isn't "just" any kind of story; it's a wonderfully touching, special kind of story — brilliantly written, directed, and performed.