One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

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Postby RobinDaHood » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:53 pm

Marines in Afghanistan Execute the World's First Cargo Resupply with an Unmanned Helicopter
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In Afghanistan, supply convoys have been a favorite target of insurgent fighters, not only because they make warfighting possible for troops at forward operating bases but also because they are so very vulnerable to ambushes and IEDs. But on Saturday, NATO logisticians hit a major milestone in Afghanistan, reaching out and touching one of the holy grails of robotic warfare when an unmanned K-MAX helicopter successfully delivered a sling-load of beans, bullets, and band-aids to an unspecified base for the first time.

Reportedly that first flight, along with a few in-theater test flights that preceded it last week, is part of a run-up to regular operations using the K-MAX, which is manufactured by Kaman Aerospace. The 2.5-ton, GPS-guided K-MAX can heft 3.5 tons of cargo about 250 miles up and over the rugged and mountainous terrain of Afghanistan across which NATO troops are scattered.

That’s important. IED and ambush risk aside, the terrain in Afghanistan isn’t always conducive to overland resupply. And putting choppers in the air introduces a whole new set of problems, including the risk of being shot down (or simply crashing). It also means you need to have a rested flight crew that hasn’t already maxed out its flight hours for a given period.

Automated GPS-guided helos can fly around the clock and do the bulk of their resupply at night since they don’t necessarily need to actually “see” anything. In fact, Danger Room reports that the Marine’s plan to run K-MAX mostly at night and mostly at high altitudes to keep it away from small arms fire. Because even unmanned aerial systems don’t like taking casualties.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby StarmanSkye » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:50 pm

To me, the bigger picture looks like this is (part of) the lunatics insuring that their rule of the lunatic asylum won't be challenged for at least the next ten years.

Yay Team blubber blubber blub.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby crikkett » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:58 am

On Saturday, NATO logisticians hit a major milestone in Afghanistan... when an unmanned K-MAX helicopter successfully delivered a sling-load of beans, bullets, and band-aids :eeyaa to an unspecified base for the first time.


Reading RI aloud in public (is dangerous!)

Is "beans, bullets, and band-aids" army slang for resupply?

A couple of friends are impressed with the size of a "sling-load" and have vowed to make it a catchphrase.

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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby elfismiles » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:52 pm

Tomgram: Nick Turse, The Life and Death of American Drones
Posted by Nick Turse at 9:40am, December 20, 2011.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/archive/175482/

The Secret Lives of Killer American Drones
What our busted and confiscated robot airplanes tell us about the US's new method of warfare.
—By Nick Turse
| Tue Dec. 20, 2011 11:00 AM PST
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12 ... can-drones
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12 ... nes?page=2
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby elfismiles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:21 am

Anti-whaling activists' drone tracks Japan fleet
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:29 am



http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... es/250661/

Unaccountable Killing Machines: The True Cost of U.S. Drones

By Joshua Foust


Officials often portray the global expansion of deadly drone strikes as an unequivocal success. But are we really accounting for all the consequences?

A series of articles have been published recently about the extent and, in some cases, failures of the drone program so famously expanded under President Obama's watch. The first, a blockbuster article by the Washington Post's Greg Miller, brings to light some truly worrying aspects of a policy that seems to have taken on a life of its own (emphasis mine):

In Yemen, for instance, the CIA and the military's Joint Special Operations Command pursue the same adversary with nearly identical aircraft. But they alternate taking the lead on strikes to exploit their separate authorities, and they maintain separate kill lists that overlap but don't match. CIA and military strikes this fall killed three U.S. citizens, two of whom were suspected al-Qaeda operatives...

Obama himself was "oddly passive in this world," the former official said, tending to defer on drone policy to senior aides whose instincts often dovetailed with the institutional agendas of the CIA and JSOC.


In other words, Jaffe is describing a system in which a decentralized apparatus carries out summary executions of people we're assured are bad and who are sometimes U.S. citizens, and the president knows about this but chooses not to exercise oversight or control of the process.

The upside to this system of drones, administration officials insist, is that al Qaeda has been crippled, and that it has created an intense strain on the ability of terrorists to carry out plots. And this is undoubtedly true -- the drone war has achieved its immediate purpose of thwacking bad people. But do we really understand the true cost of this form of warfare?

It is practically impossible for anyone to exercise proper oversight over the program


In the countries where the drone system is most active -- Pakistan and Yemen -- relations with local governments and communities are awful, and perceptions of the United States could barely be any worse. There is agreement seemingly only on the need for long distance killing, and even then -- especially in Pakistan -- there is a great deal of contention.

In fact, one could argue that the severe degradation of relations with Pakistan, which are driven to a large degree by popular anger over drone strikes (as well as a parallel perception among some Pakistani elites that the U.S. disregards Pakistani sovereignty at will), is driving the current U.S. push to ship supplies and, eventually, the withdrawal from Afghanistan, through Uzbekistan. While overall it might seem like a good trade to policymakers, engaging with the regime in Tashkent in this way nevertheless carries substantial reputational and moral costs, to say nothing of long term consequences we cannot predict.

In Yemen, the insistence on drone strikes in the absence of any broader (and more intensive) political engagement with the opposition political movements has created the mass perception that the U.S. is intimately tied to the oppression of the Yemeni people -- a dangerous social meme that al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula certainly tries to coopt for its own advancement. But focusing on AQAP like that opens the same trap that cripples U.S. policy in the country: the assumption that terrorism is the only consequence that matters. On a more practical level, the U.S. negligence of Yemeni politics in its pursuit of terrorists is making it more likely, not less, that the eventual Shah-like fall of President Saleh will result in a hostile or indifferent power in Sana'a -- the opposite of what the current CT policy there requires.

Beyond the political consequences, the drone program also imposes severe bureaucratic costs. Within the U.S. Intelligence Community, various lethal targeting programs are heavily classified, compartmented, and SAPed -- meaning, they are mostly closed off from each other. This is one reason why the CIA and JSOC maintain separate, non-overlapping kill lists in Yemen. It also means it is practically impossible for anyone, in any position including the top of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, to exercise proper oversight over the program. In other words, we have created an unaccountable killing machine operating at an industrial scale, to borrow CNAS President John Nagl's phrasing.

This sloppiness with life and death decisions is a substantial moral failing, and should be a huge scandal for President Obama


Within the U.S. government bureaucracy this shift in priority has distorted staffing choices and led to a momentum that will be difficult to ever stop. When I testified about Intelligence contracting before the U.S. Senate earlier this year, I noted the problems with how these programs get staffed: often without regard to specific skill sets, and usually under the assumption that more staff means better results. Both assumptions lead to muddled results. In some targeting programs, staffers have review quotas -- that is, they must review a certain number of possible targets per given length of time. Because they are contractors, their continued employment depends on their ability to satisfy the stated performance metrics. So they have a financial incentive to make life-or-death decisions about possible kill targets just to stay employed. This should be an intolerable situation, but because the system lacks transparency or outside review it is almost impossible to monitor or alter.


Effectively: a kill quota.

Furthermore, the Intelligence Community (IC) as a whole has been reoriented to support the killing machine. While that isn't of itself a bad thing, we should be asking very probing questions about whether it is necessary and if it is accomplishing the goals it should. The IC already struggles with making useful predictive analysis (i.e. understanding threats to the country and thinking of ways to respond to them). By focusing the IC so strongly on the identification of individuals to kill, the drones program is distorting the collection and analysis priorities of the IC, and in a very real way restricting the resources available to responding to larger economic, military, and nuclear threats. Bureaucracy becomes its own force after a while, and the possibility of ever reassigning these analysts and decision makers becomes less and less realistic the longer the program exists.

A final, important consequence of the dramatic expansion of the drone program is the continued degradation of the IC's Human Intelligence capabilities and the increasing reliance on liaising with "local partners." In both Pakistan and Yemen this has led to severe consequences both for our reputation and for our relations with each government. In Afghanistan, poor HUMINT tradecraft has led to a lot of unnecessary deaths because we relied on sketchy local sources instead of doing the hard work to develop thorough human intelligence. The result, way too often, is firing blind based on "pattern of life" indicators without direct confirmation that the targets are, in fact, who we think they are -- killing innocent people in the process. In Pakistan, the drones program has become so contentious that it's inspired death squads that summarily execute people they suspect of participating in the targetting process. And in Yemen, we are now slowly realizing that our "local partners" are really anything but, and we face the very uncomfortable possibility of being used as pawns to violently resolve conflicts that have nothing to do with us.

This sloppiness with life and death decisions is a substantial moral failing, and should be a huge scandal for President Obama. But, he has decided to both distance himself from it while also taking credit for its successes, even as it focuses on ever less important and marginal figures within the terrorist milieu.

The enormous expansion of drone operations has been a success in the narrowest sense of killing some bad guys. But it has come at an enormous cost: to our reputation, to our morals, to our relationship and status with countries we need to work with to contain and defuse terrorism, and in the lives of the many innocent people we've killed through either sloppiness or ignorance. Rather than asking the difficult questions of whether the success of the drone program has been worth it, though, President Obama has chosen instead to amplify its operations and thus claim victory in killing bad guys, even while he distances himself from the knowledge and personal responsibility for who these dead people are and what crimes they may have committed.

It is an absolute scandal. We owe ourselves better questions and more accountability of the drones we use to wantonly kill people around the planet.


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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Nordic » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:17 am

Coming soon to a law enforcement entity in your hometown:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16358851

US Army unveils 1.8 gigapixel camera helicopter drone


The drone aircraft can hover and do not need a runway to be able to take-off or land

New helicopter-style drones with 1.8 gigapixel colour cameras are being developed by the US Army.

The army said the technology promised "an unprecedented capability to track and monitor activity on the ground".

A statement added that three of the sensor-equipped drones were due to go into service in Afghanistan in either May or June.

Boeing built the first drones, but other firms can bid to manufacture others.

"These aircraft will deploy for up to one full year as a way to harness lessons learned and funnel them into a program of record," said Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Munster, product manager at the US Army's Unmanned Aerial System Modernization unit.

Big eyes
The A160 Hummingbird systems are capable of vertical take-off, meaning access to a runway is not necessary.

The army also confirmed that they have hovering capabilities - something its existing unmanned aircraft lack.

Test flights will be carried out in Arizona at the start of the year before they are shipped to the Middle East.

The drones will take advantage of the Autonomous Real-time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance-Imaging System first deployed earlier this year.

The Argus-IS's acronym was chosen to recall Argus Panoptes - the one-hundred-eyed-giant of Greek mythology.

The technology is based on a 1.8 gigapixel camera - the largest video sensor used in tactical missions.

The Argus-IS system offers the army wider fields of view than had been possible using earlier equipment

It offers 900 times the number of pixels of a 2 megapixel camera found in some mobile phones. The system can provide real-time video streams at the rate of 10 frames a second.

The army said that was enough to track people and vehicles from altitudes above 20,000 feet (6.1km) across almost 65 square miles (168 sq km).

In addition, operators on the ground can select up to 65 steerable "windows" following separate targets to be "stared at". Vehicles, people and other objects can be tracked even if they move in different directions.

"If you have a bunch of people leaving a place at the same time, they no longer have to say, 'Do I follow vehicle one, two, three or four,'" said program manager Brian Leninger ahead of the system's launch.

"They can say: 'I will follow all of them, simultaneously and automatically.'"

The equipment has had new antennas attached to it to optimise its performance on the new aircraft.

Once the one-year trial is completed, the army said it planned to hold a "full and open" competition for defence companies to bid to build second generation vertical-take-off drones.

Night sensors

The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is also working with the UK-based defence contractor BAE Systems to develop a more advanced version of the Argus-IS sensor that will offer night vision.

It said the infrared imaging sensors would be sensitive enough to follow "dismounted personnel at night".

In addition, the upgrade promises to be able to follow up to 130 "windows" at the same time.

The system's first test flight has been scheduled to take place by June 2012.

Flightglobal's website has also reported that the trials will include the use of stub wings "intended for carrying weapons".

While the army discusses the advantages of unmanned drones offering valuable intelligence to troops on the ground, the programme has run into controversy.

Pakistan has criticised drone strikes which killed 24 of its troops in November on the Afghan border. Previous attacks killed children.

Iranian officials have also shown off a captured surveillance aircraft which they have refused to return to the US, demanding an apology for the "invasion" of their airspace.


Remember that famous gigapixel shot of Obama's inauguration? You could zoom in on it, and see, in extreme detail, the faces of almost everyone in the crowd. That's what this is. Big Brother just got a nice pair of glasses.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:29 am

Nordic wrote:Coming soon to a law enforcement entity in your hometown:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16358851

US Army unveils 1.8 gigapixel camera helicopter drone


I can't wait until one of these drone helicopters accidentally crashes into someone's backyard BBQ and decapitates a 3 year old playing lawn darts.

That's gonna rule so hard!!!!
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby norton ash » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:45 am

I can't wait until one of these drone helicopters accidentally crashes into someone's backyard BBQ and decapitates a 3 year old playing lawn darts.


Bruce, you know lawn darts are ILLEGAL. If a few little scofflaws die in the interest of a safer world, I can accept that. And it might turn out that the grown-ups at that BBQ were smoking weed and eating raw-milk cheese anyway. Don't presume that any of these fuckers are innocent.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Stephen Morgan » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:47 pm

Almost 1 In 3 US Warplanes Is a Drone

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... raft_.html
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Nordic » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:57 pm

My friend just bought a drone. I'm not kidding. One of those small ones with the 4 horizontal propellers. It will hold a camera up to 5 lbs. Its a hell of a toy. He got it for his work, to get camera shots you couldn't get any other way. He flew it around his backyard for me the other day.

These are now consumer items. Weird. But maybe could be used to level some of the playing fields. A tiny bit.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Laodicean » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:25 pm

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New drone has no pilot anywhere, so who's accountable?

The Navy is testing an autonomous plane that will land on an aircraft carrier. The prospect of heavily armed aircraft screaming through the skies without direct human control is unnerving to many.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-a ... 0306.story
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby crikkett » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:14 am

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PS those new Navy drones may explain the flying triangles people have been reporting in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area.
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Re: One Drone Thread to Rule them ALL

Postby Jeff » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:19 am

Sharing without permission my son's Grade 6 homework. The assignment was to write a modern retelling of a classic fable. He chose Belling the Cat:

In a small village in Pakistan electronic drones controlled from hundreds of kilometers away wreak havoc on innocent people by bombing weddings or blowing up houses. The villagers have had enough of this so they gathered everyone in the town up to have a huge meeting. When the meeting was underway a man came up to the stage and said “we need to stop those drones from killing innocent people and bombing our weddings! Will someone please come up and give us an idea!” After a long period of silence a young man came up to the stage and said “I know a way to stop the drones! If someone can attach a sensor that will beep whenever it gets close to our town we will know when to hide in our home!” the whole crowd applauded and cheered, but then an old and wise man came up and said “but who will attach the sensor, for we need a volunteer to complete this task?” No one answered. The old man then said “it is easy to create impossible remedies”
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