The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:28 pm

Jesuit priest Charles Polzer "has called opposition to a telescope complex atop Mt. Graham "part of a Jewish conspiracy" which "comes out of the Jewish lawyers of the ACLU to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church."


Why does that quote from the link above sound so familiar? Oh, that's right, there was this just this year:

http://aidanmaconachyblog.blogspot.com/ ... ck-on.html

...Now we learn that Giacomo Babini, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, told the Italian website Pontifex that a "Zionist attack" lies behind criticism of the Church and its handling of the abuse scandal. The alleged remarks come at a time when the Church seems increasingly paranoid with talk of plots and persecution.

Babini reportedly said: "They [the Jews] do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers."


Bishop Babini is also a Holocaust denier.
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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

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http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0530/church ... ex-abuser/

Church sued victim of convicted sex abuser: report

By Raw Story
Sunday, May 30th, 2010 -- 4:01 pm



AP: Pope refused to defrock convicted priest

A Catholic diocese in Canada sued the victim of a convicted pedophile priest, driving the victim to attempt suicide several times, according to a newspaper report published Sunday.

The church's move would prove to be a successful tactic to force the victim to settle out of court. And some victims of Catholic church sex abuse say the tactic is a common one.

John Caruso, a victim of convicted Roman Catholic priest James Kneale, sued the church for $8.6 million over sexual abuse he suffered at Kneale's hands as an altar boy in the 1980s. The church responded with a "legal thunderbolt," reports Mary Ormsby at the Toronto Star:

Kneale and the diocese countersued Caruso’s mother and father. They claimed the parents were negligent in failing to get counselling and medical help for their teenaged son and that Caruso’s father regularly beat him, compounding his psychological troubles.

The legal hardball shattered the once-devout family.

The Star reports that the strain of the lawsuit pushed Caruso, a resident of Fort Erie, Ontario, to attempt suicide several times. Caruso's mother, Claire, died last year as the legal battle continued to rage.

“She took it to her grave thinking she was part of the problem,’’ Caruso told the Star. He settled out of court, for an undisclosed amount, four months after his mother's death.

Ormsby reports that the church's tactics in the legal battle were "not unusual."

"Despite the church’s pledge to handle victims with compassion — a position repeated this month by Pope Benedict — it too often plays a game of courtroom chicken with stall tactics, hostile discovery sessions and intrusive psychological probes that unnerve vulnerable clients, say victims and their lawyers," Ormsby writes.

On Sunday, The Associated Press reported that Pope Benedict XVI, while still a cardinal, refused to defrock an American priest who had been convicted on multiple counts of sexual abuse, "simply because the cleric wouldn't agree to it."

Documents obtained by The Associated Press from court filings in the case of the late Rev. Alvin Campbell of Illinois show Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, following church law at the time, turned down a bishop's plea to remove the priest for no other reason than the abuser's refusal to go along with it.

The AP lays the blame for the situation with regulations put into place by the previous pope, John Paul II, designed to keep priests from leaving the church.

John Paul made it tougher to leave the priesthood after assuming the papacy in 1978, saying their vocation was a lifelong one. A consequence of that policy was that, as the priest sex abuse scandal arose in the U.S., bishops were no longer able to sidestep the lengthy church trial necessary for laicization.
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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

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http://tinyurl.com/26p4rlf

Sex abuse victims say church is still tenaciously fighting claims

May 30, 2010

Mary Ormsby


Judi Evans poses outside her home in Toronto. A former resident of Newfoundland's Belvedere Orphanage, Evans is one of 40 women suing the nuns who ran the residence over allegations of physical abuse.
ANDREW WALLACE/TORONTO STAR


John Caruso thought his trauma within the Roman Catholic Church began and ended with Rev. James Kneale.

The St. Catharines-area priest was convicted of sexually abusing the former altar boy 11 years ago. Caruso and his Fort Erie family sued Kneale, the Diocese of St. Catharines and former bishops for $8.6 million, claiming, among other things, that church officials knew or should have known the priest was a sexual predator.

The response was an unexpected legal thunderbolt: Kneale and the diocese countersued Caruso’s mother and father. They claimed the parents were negligent in failing to get counselling and medical help for their teenaged son and that Caruso’s father regularly beat him, compounding his psychological troubles.

The legal hardball shattered the once-devout family.

Caruso’s parents had to hire their own lawyers. Family relationships were strained. Caruso attempted suicide several times. And it got worse: His mother Claire died March 22, 2009, while the legal war still raged — a full decade after Kneale’s conviction, and 25 years after the priest performed a sex act on him during a rectory sleepover.

“She took it to her grave thinking she was part of the problem,’’ said a sobbing 40-year-old Caruso, the only time he broke down and cried during a phone interview from his Chatham home.

“She kept saying, ‘I feel like it’s my fault John.’ I kept telling her ‘No, it’s not your fault.’ ”

St. Catharines lawyer Peter A. Mahoney, who represented the diocese, declined to comment on the legal tactics behind the counter-claim because “my sense is that the (news)papers don’t want to be accurate (and) they misquote (people).”

Phone and email messages left with Wayne Kirkpatrick, the monsignor currently running the diocese, were not returned.

Four months after burying his mother, Caruso accepted the diocese’s undisclosed financial offer.

“Why do you think I took the settlement?’’ he asked, angrily. “I couldn’t take it anymore. I was going to kill myself.”

The pressure Caruso experienced in battling the Catholic Church is not unusual, say those suing Catholic dioceses, priests and nuns over abuse. Despite the church’s pledge to handle victims with compassion — a position repeated this month by Pope Benedict — it too often plays a game of courtroom chicken with stall tactics, hostile discovery sessions and intrusive psychological probes that unnerve vulnerable clients, say victims and their lawyers.

“They don’t want to pay out the money,’’ said Jack Lavers, a Newfoundland lawyer who has worked both sides of the liturgical legal landscape. “There are (cases) that do start and never seem to finish.”

Seemingly relentless legal campaigns — especially against victims like Caruso, whose abuser had been convicted — appear to clash with church reforms adopted two decades ago after the Mount Cashel orphanage sex scandal. Pastoral outreach for victims of clergy abuse was among the recommendations in the 1992 “From Pain to Hope” report commissioned by the Canadian Council of Catholic Bishops. Counselling and empathy for the abused were again recommended in a 2007 CCCB task force.

The CCCB declined to provide a spokesperson to address allegations of legal bullying and stalling, and instead suggested contacting church representatives from Cornwall or London.

London’s vicar general, Rev. John Sharp, has worked on nearly 60 lawsuits involving victims of the late Charles Sylvestre, convicted of abusing 47 women as minors. Nearly 40 more women came forward after the priest was jailed in 2006.

Sharp said each victim’s circumstances are unique and claims of harsh treatment “may very well be” in some cases. But London-area victims are “immediately” offered counselling with a professional of their choice as soon as they report abuse.

“In our diocese we are committed to keep these things moving as quickly and fully as we possibly can,” said Sharp, who estimates he still has 20 active Sylvestre cases.

“I would do it every day to keep at it but there’s a whole process that’s involved in (litigation): lawyers’ schedules, availability, all that stuff. I can appreciate (cases) taking so long; I wish this had been over a long time ago.”

Lavers said courtroom reality is that plaintiffs often get worn down and agree to accept smaller sums or drop their cases completely.

The St. John’s lawyer, who defended the Mount Cashel superintendent in criminal and civil court, now represents victims. He’s settled about 30 cases against the Catholic Church, taking “10 and 12 years to bring some of them to closure.”

Cases drag on while medical, education and work history information is gathered and studied for discovery and mediation sessions. Insurance company lawyers — insurers pay plaintiffs if the church has coverage — add another layer of scrutiny.

One London-area woman, who asked not to be named, said the defence cancelled its own psychological exam of her in Toronto 36 hours before it was scheduled — and after she’d booked that day off work and hired babysitters for her children. The new date was several months later.

Sometimes empathy is evident. Chatham’s Lou Ann Soontiens, for instance, recalls professional, courteous attention from Sharp’s London team.

Soontiens was a Sylvestre victim. She’d been assaulted for years and had an abortion arranged by him — a procedure that was botched — after the priest raped her as a teenager.


Soontiens sued the London archdiocese and settled for a reported $1.75 million, the largest known church award for a sexual assault victim in Canadian history.

“I had other girls tell me they went through hell but I can’t say that,” said the 54-year-old, who wrote about her abuse in Breach of Faith, Breach of Trust which was launched earlier this month in Chatham. She also had kind words for “compassionate” Bishop Ronald Fabbro, who was supportive throughout the three-year litigation.

Similar support was not there for Judi Evans.

The 65-year-old native of St. John’s, Nfld., is among a group claiming physical and emotional abuse at the Belvedere Orphanage — a female counterpart of Mount Cashel. More than 30 women are suing the Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy and the province of Newfoundland. Her case is now 13 years old and has only a faint pulse.

Evans, a singer who entertained Toronto crowds for three decades at nightspots like the El Mocambo, the Silver Dollar and the Royal York, said the legal limbo frustrates her and her five sisters who were all “tortured” by the nuns in the 1940s and ’50s.

Evans said she was beaten with belts and fists, locked in a dark tower without food for hours and, as a kindergarten student, was placed in a bathtub of scalding water and scrubbed with a hard brush between her legs when she peed her pants. One of Evans’ sisters had two fingers sliced off while operating a bread machine in an unsupervised kitchen while another sister needed stitches after a nun hit her in the head with the schoolyard bell.

“I had a business, I had a successful career,” said Evans, whose singing days ended when she began addressing childhood memories in the mid-1990s and had a breakdown.

She’s also battled alcoholism (she’s sober now), depression and now requires regular psychotherapy.

“(Other orphans) ended up drug addicts, prostitutes, suicides or emotionally abused . . . or drunks, because I was there too,” said Evans, who lives in Toronto with her husband of 34 years, Joe. She asked that her married surname not be used.


“I would give the world to see this come to closure of some sort.”

But the Belvedere case has little traction.

Nuns have died, memories are fading, time limits on physical assault allegations ran out decades ago, no criminal charges were laid and the potential financial compensation may not, ultimately, be worth the trauma of putting the women on the stand, says Evans’ lawyer, Richard Rogers. That’s one of the reasons he has not formally filed a statement of claim. Rogers, who represented Mount Cashel and residential school victims, hopes to negotiate a group settlement for clients, most of whom needed extensive therapy as adults. Some women claimed they were also sexually assaulted by nuns.

Thomas O’Reilly represents the Sisters of Mercy and described Evans’ case as being in a state of “inertia,” citing the lack of a statement of claim.

The province responded to the Star in an email, stating “liability is being contested and the claims are being actively defended.”

Lavers understands why Rogers wants to avoid a trial. He witnessed two Belvedere women crack during discovery sessions a decade ago.

“The ladies would have breakdowns (and) and would end up in the (psychiatric) hospital,” said Lavers, who then represented two Sisters of Mercy nuns who were being sued as individuals.

“My heart went out to a couple of them because it appeared to be a re-victimization of the whole thing. I think it became so difficult for them to face it, they just walked away. It just wasn’t worth it to them.”

Cecilia McLauchlin felt she was in a game of “survivor” when she sued the London archdiocese in 2007. She was abused by Sylvestre when she was about 4 until she was 6.

The 32-year-old settled with the church last September — five days before her trial was to start. Prior to that, she had a 9-hour psychological assessment in Toronto for the defence that she said “haunted” her and caused regression in her therapy. The defence is entitled to conduct independent medical assessments.

McLauchlin was alone with a male doctor who asked graphic, explicit questions about her abuse and her adult sex life. She was also asked to describe the priest’s penis — even though Sylvestre was dead. McLauchlin said she was given a written assignment with hundreds of questions, such as: Do you ever feel like jumping off a bridge?

Another Sylvestre victim — the woman who’d had her psychiatric exam in Toronto cancelled — is in her fifth year of litigation. The woman said she’s seen the priest’s victims crumble after years on “an emotional roller coaster.”

“They couldn’t eat, sleep, work, they couldn’t carry on in their personal relationships,” said the woman, whose trial date is in 2011.

“There was so much anger in their lives and frustration. They just said ‘I want this done. I don’t care if I get $10, I just want this done.’ ”

Swifter resolutions would be more humane for victims, said Connie Coatsworth, a counsellor who has treated between 15 and 20 adults sexually assaulted as children by Catholic clergy.

“The longer (litigation) goes on, the harder it is for (patients) to heal,’’ said the Chatham therapist, who sees clients suffer under stresses related to lawsuits. “If (the church) truly wants healing for them, they need to expedite this process.”

Caruso called the church’s conduct hypocritical because it boasts of pastoral outreach to victims yet treated him “like sh--.”

“Their only concern is to piss you off and get you going and do everything they possibly can to deter you from suing them.”

Caruso said it would be more helpful to victims — and probably cheaper — for the church to provide counselling to ease their pain instead angering them into court action.

“I did not want to sue,” he said. “I didn’t want to be the poster child for this kind of bull.”
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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:33 am

Most works of scholarship are a mix of useful content and limited perspective resulting from deeply embedded conditioning. The content of an otherwise regressively inspired work can still be useful. The following religious oriented narrative paints Lincoln in a positive light.

While I am heavily disinclined from attributing the woes of the world on any one group, it does seem that Jesuits are a more relevant reference point than is imperialism or corporatism.


http://www.truthontheweb.org/abe.htm

Chiniquy Tells of Jesuit Plot
WAR! The opening shot of the confederate rebellion rang out on April 12th, 1861; only one month after Lincoln was proclaimed President of the United States, the 4th of March 1861. This first shot on Fort Sumpter was fired by General Beauregard, who was a professed Roman Catholic and came from a well known family of Jesuits. The Confederate States of America were readied for war and their leader, Jefferson Davis had been given the blessing of the Pope to be their new President. The papacy wanted to destroy the American popular government and the "divide and conquer" strategy was a tried and true tool. Also, the Catholic Church, afterall, benefited enormously from the southern slave trade and had to protect its vested interest from this talk of potentially freeing the slaves in America..



http://www.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter2/jackson.html

Biddle responded to Jackson’s refusing to allow him to re-establish the central bank by shrinking the nations money supply. He did this by refusing to make loans. By so doing, he upended the economy and money disappeared. Unemployment ran high. Companies went bankrupt because they could not pay their loans. The nation went into a panic depression. Biddle felt he could force Jackson to keep the central bank. So confident was he that he publicly boasted that he had caused the economic woes in America. Due to his foolish bragging, others came out in defense of Jackson and the central bank died. It died until its re-establishment in 1913. It was re-established then by the same people, (Jesuits of Rome) for the same purpose of bringing America to her knees and planting the temporal power of the pope in America.
The Jesuits’ scheming for a central bank in America was temporarily stopped during Andrew Jackson’s presidency. He had opposed Calhoun’s States Rights doctrine, and he stopped Biddle’s attempt to continue the Central Bank. When other things fail, the Jesuit Oath declares that it is commendable to murder someone who stands in their way.


These folks are saying that Calhoun was a provocateur.
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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

Postby Simulist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:38 pm

Sounder wrote:While I am heavily disinclined from attributing the woes of the world on any one group, it does seem that Jesuits are a more relevant reference point than is imperialism or corporatism.

I'm sure I'm misunderstanding the direction of your comment. You're not really intimating that "Jesuits" might have had more of an overall negative effect than either "imperialism" or "corporatism," are you?

As I say, I'm sure that even supposing you might be is my error.
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Re: The role of the Catholic church WRT conspiracies

Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:40 pm

This might take awhile.
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Postby Simulist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:41 pm

Sounder wrote:This might take awhile.

Oh, my.
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Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:59 pm

The prior post was put together, intending to be used on publius’ thread. But I found that it was more about the CC WRT conspiracy so it was posted here. I should have changed the intro perhaps, but no I do not mean more negative, just a different and maybe more relevant reference point.

For no good reason, I have for a few weeks been googling various ‘players’ names paired up with ‘Knights of Malta’. I had no idea. It seems like anybody who is somebody is working for the Pope. Also because of publius’ thread I have brushed up on a little CW history.

The counter-reformation was serious business and these folk are intent on claiming for the Pope or CC ruler ship over the whole world. That is what the double headed eagle is about, having it all, east and west.

http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/ ... ad;id=8613

Representing initially the most powerful and reactionary segments of the European aristocracy, for nearly a thousand years beginning with the early crusades of the Twelfth Century, it has organized, funded, and led military operations against states and ideas deemed threatening to its power. It is probably safe to say that the several thousand Knights of SMOM, principally in Europe, North, Central, and South America, comprise the largest most consistently powerful and reactionary membership of any organization in the world today.

Although an exclusively [Roman] Catholic organization, in this century
it has collaborated with, and given high awards to non-Catholic
extremists in its current crusade against progressive forces in the
West, the national liberation movements, and the socialist countries.

To be a Knight, one must not only be from wealthy, aristocratic lineage, one must also have a psychological worldview which is attracted to the "crusader mentality'' of these "warrior monks." Participating in SMOM including its initiation ceremonies and feudal ritual dress members embrace a certain caste/class mentality; they are sociologically and psychologically predisposed to function as the ''shock troops" of Catholic reaction. And this is precisely the historical role the Knights have played in the wars against Islam, against the Protestant "heresy,'' and against the Soviet ''Evil Empire."
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Postby Simulist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:16 pm

Sounder, are these contemporary "players" or historical ones?
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Postby Sounder » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:35 pm

All contemporary, folk in upper layers of govt. and business.

Bill Gates and the founder of Monsanto for starters.

I just did Koch bro., and did not find anything for sure, but a lot of their friends are, as are the folk below, found while checking on Koch

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/2 ... u-Wish-For

Erik Prince, founder of the private military corporation Blackwater, is Betsy DeVos’ brother. However - while assuming that the following men are perfectly sincere in their religious beliefs and their love of country - it still bears noting that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Vice Admiral William McRaven and others in the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) (the elite force which killed Osama bin Laden) are members of the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei. They follow in the footsteps of other top intelligence and military officers who were also Knights of Malta, including four-star Army Gen. Alexander Haig, Nixon’s chief of staff, and several CIA directors including William Casey.



Or Gen. Martin Dempsey grabbed from the war with Iraq thread.

http://brishon.com/content.php?article.2269
January 7, 2012: American Troops Being Deployed to Israel for War on Shia Iran

Well, the day is finally materializing... [THE] Military Company of Jesus, via its Council on Foreign Relations directing White House foreign policy via the Vaginal Oval Office of the Virgin Mary, is maneuvering its Federal Reserve Bank-financed American War Machine into final position for the Black Pope’s war on Iran — the heart of anti-Sunni, Shia Islam (There is not one Sunni Mosque in Tehran!). Shia Iran is now surrounded with the pope’s American Roman legions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf, those legions being financed with the treasures of Sunni Saudi Arabia, Sunni Kuwait and Sunni UAE (Dubai). Additionally, there is a large [NON-CABALISTIC] Jewish population in Iran, another target for annihilation!

Meanwhile, the pope’s Knight of Malta-founded and directed Bilderbergers, which include Dame of Malta Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, are to meet in Haifa within the month of January, 2012... Exercises uniting both US forces with Israeli forces (both serving the Jesuit papacy) will be preliminaries for the attack on Iran whose people in general do not wish to destroy Israel [BUT LIKE US, THEIR LEADERS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE JESUITS]. Presently, 9,000 US troops are being sent to Israel. See this link: http://globalrumblings.blogspot.com/201 ... ed-to.html

The pope’s military industrial complex of his “Holy Roman” Fourteenth Amendment, Cartel-Capitalist, Corporate-Fascist, Socialist-Communist American Empire (1868-Present) is led by certain Knights of Malta, including Jesuit-trained Roman Catholic Leon E. Panetta ([FORMER HEAD OF THE CIA AND NOW] Secretary of Defense/i.e., “Secretary of War”) and Roman Catholic Martin L. Dempsey (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff).
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Postby Simulist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:54 pm

Thanks, Sounder. In addition to being very interesting, I sincerely think it's worth looking further into.

I thought you meant "Jesuits" in general — as in the average "guys" who are Jesuits. And I know quite a few of these guys; they couldn't engineer a vast conspiracy if their lives depended on it. Because while most of them are truly quite brilliant — a few who are actually luminaries in their fields and others who can conjugate Latin and Greek verbs in their sleep, for example — most of them have trouble remembering where they put their keys. Or that they have keys.
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Postby The Consul » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:21 pm

The only Jesuits I've known were academics who were very well educated and if they had a secret it was the secret of the sauce. One had a very kind heart and an imaginative mind and the world was a better place while he was in it.
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Postby Allegro » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:57 pm

The Consul wrote:The only Jesuits I've known were academics who were very well educated and if they had a secret it was the secret of the sauce. One had a very kind heart and an imaginative mind and the world was a better place while he was in it.
That’s been my experience, too. A group of good-hearted souls would toss puns at each other for hours, on or off the sauce. Kept me in stitches.
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Postby Simulist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:39 pm

I agree; most of the priests I've met (in any order) have been well-meaning people.
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Postby Sounder » Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:34 am

I agree; most of the priests I've met (in any order) have been well-meaning people.


I try to stay away from the computer on the weekend, but this is a key issue so I will address it when I'm back, before dealing with more unhappy details.

It will, I hope, be some kind of expansion of the idea that the polarity resides within every category, rather than the current cultural habit of seeing the polarity as being between categories. This, in my opinion is well evidenced at RI in various global warming threads.

My uncle is a Priest, and as far as I can tell, although he spends his time pimping new age material, he is the nicest and finest person you would ever want to meet.

I pray for this to inspire in me something more than a trivial answer to this observation.
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