Global Warming, eh?

[Ben D]

True, that invitation has no glaring errors, lies or distortions in it, but that's not a reflection on the intelligence or integrity of Anthony Watts. He didn't write it. And everything he does write is full of glaring errors, lies and distortions.

It's obviously to the IPCC's advantage to deal with that by asking for his comments in advance, so that they can head him off at the pass and prevent him from spinning shit out of thin air about their report as it occurs to him for years afterward. Anyway. I don't see the relevance.

Heh heh, I just so love to read rationalizations on events that shatters their preconceived mental construct of a particular aspect of their present understanding. So long as it postpones for the moment the impending ego implosion and the post reconstruction of some semblance of being in control again, no harm done.

But for the long term, I would suggest some deep reflection on the temporariness and fragility of conceptualized reality. and deal directly with that for which the conceptualizations represent.

namaste..

[compared2what?]

What makes you think it's a rationalization? It's a common-sense observation that accords perfectly with his history and theirs in every way.

Whereas in order to suppose that they were seriously interested in his opinion, you'd have to believe that the IPCC values the views and tactics of a radio weatherman (with no college degree) (who lies about his American Meteorological Society credentials) (who attacks them on bogus grounds on a near-daily basis) (who's on the Heartland Institute payroll) (whom everyone knows is a clown and a local GOP hack) (etcetera, the list goes on and on).

[Rory]

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raflmao

Bendie - you were being shown up as the right wing supporting, clown before I started giving you an embarrassingly one sided display of ridicule - to which you could only muster an incongrouous 'namaste' (is that dailymail/telegraph/wsj/cato/heartlands code for something?)

you play the white middleaged 'this plane is beneath me' schtick, but, between all your fake pseudo hippy yoga stuff: you're that very self same hypocrite, tacitly supporting the very institutional structures you accuse others of belonging to (in a blatently insulting but, 'butter wouldn't melt in my mouth', manner)

And then c2w came along! Holy shit- sister, you are my superior in so many ways. I doff by hat to your writing and consise arguments. I thought i had made bendie look foolish- you have taken that to a new level of embarasment for his tiered shtick and feeble polluter cheerleading.

Bendie you are a tired hack with nothing to show except rehashing sad denier bs.

[slimmouse]

Instead, all that you, and a few of your minions have ever actually done is scream " it would never work", or "show me the proof"

Wintler has "minions"?

Indeed he does. People like you and our resident comedian Rory.People asking, nay screaming for proof of "exotic" technology, and proof of its suppression. And then when a big pile of it is posted the fingers go in the ears and their screaming gets louder. Even those "exotic" technologies that dont break any of the precious laws of Physics and Thermodynamics which these people ( and not surprisingly the controllers) cling to like limpets. Perhaps there should be a law explaining how the level of evidence offered by an idea is exponential to the level of ignorance to it by those who ask for it ?

Way to change the world man ! Way to break free of a contrived debate where nobody wins for all the mindsink intelligence thrown at it, including your own !

Whats that quote again about attempting to solve problems by using the same thinking that created them ?

[Ben D]

What makes you think it's a rationalization? It's a common-sense observation that accords perfectly with his history and theirs in every way.

Whereas in order to suppose that they were seriously interested in his opinion, you'd have to believe that the IPCC values the views and tactics of a radio weatherman (with no college degree) (who lies about his American Meteorological Society credentials) (who attacks them on bogus grounds on a near-daily basis) (who's on the Heartland Institute payroll) (whom everyone knows is a clown and a local GOP hack) (etcetera, the list goes on and on).

Bear with me..

So I'm suggesting that you are one of those people who are in a reality-based community, and in this case you used your judicious assessment of the unexpected and unwelcome news that the Anthony Watts, whom you deem a fool for his skeptical position on AGW, was invited to participate in IPCC goings on, and reached the conclusions you posted that I labeled rationalizations.

Now I don't live in a reality based system, and see things this way...

But first, let me share with you some of my observations on AGW that have unfolded over the last decade or so..

The whole CAGW/AGW bandwagon probably had influenced the greatest number and percentage of people late last century with polls showing in those days up to 70% or more of people across the developed world believed in it.

Since then, there has been a steady decline of belief due to many reasons including Climategate 1, and 2 involving claims of scientific fraud, lack of significant warming over the last 15 years, and product marketing fatigue as the endless CAGW doom and gloom media productions began to fail to rouse the same fear and urgency in the masses it once was able to do.

MSM in the last 4 or 5 years have dramatically cut back their AGW stories as it isn't selling anymore. The polls from around the world all show that year after year, the numbers have been steadily dropping in terms of peoples concern about AGW.

The latest Pew poll for the US shows that global Warming is now down to a meager 29% of the population..

In the mean time, more and more scientists have come out to join the skeptics as climate research results show that the earliest temperature projections by Hansen et al were way off in relation to actual real time global temperature as the years went by. And simultaneously, skeptic blogs were attracting huge numbers of disaffected scientists and others with an interest, and became vibrant centers of rebellion against what they see as flawed science on the part of the inner members of the AGW community,.. people like Hansen, Mann, Jones, etc., while the pro AGW web sites languish relative to the skeptics..

WUWT crashed through the 100 million reads mark recently

So unbeknowns to you, Empire already understood that the AGW bandwagon was going over the cliff and becoming irrelevant.
And so they have acted and as they do, they are creating a new reality. I don't know personally if Anthony Watts is living in a reality based community or not, but it doesn't matter because he is being used like all the rest playing their part in Empire's creation.

And then you will use your judicious assessment of the new arrangement/creation, and as you do that, Empire is creating something new again, and all you ever do is use your judicious discernment to study artifacts.

So here I sit and watch the world play out according to Empire's plans, and all you people seem to do is pontificate and argue and fight over the discernible reality presented to your perception via so called 'news' which is forever after the fact.

You know that, yet you are so fixated on what is happening in the virtual reality created by the ptb, that you have lost the faculty of 'seeing' that which is before your very nose, actual real reality devoid of any and all mental conceptualizations.

That is all,..liberation isn't about saving others, or the planet, its about humbly being who you really are,..not about being a part of some reality based community that is played by the puppet masters so that you will never become empowered as a real individual who understands 'what' and ''who' they really are in the context of actual REAL existence.

Btw C2W, where did you pick up that cute little lap dog Rory,.. his is he house trained?

Oh and credits to Mr. Suskind..

[compared2what?]

What makes you think it's a rationalization? It's a common-sense observation that accords perfectly with his history and theirs in every way.

Whereas in order to suppose that they were seriously interested in his opinion, you'd have to believe that the IPCC values the views and tactics of a radio weatherman (with no college degree) (who lies about his American Meteorological Society credentials) (who attacks them on bogus grounds on a near-daily basis) (who's on the Heartland Institute payroll) (whom everyone knows is a clown and a local GOP hack) (etcetera, the list goes on and on).

Bear with me..

All right.

So I'm suggesting that you are one of those people who are in a reality-based community, and in this case you used your judicious assessment of the unexpected and unwelcome news that the Anthony Watts, whom you deem a fool for his skeptical position on AGW, was invited to participate in IPCC goings on, and reached the conclusions you posted that I labeled rationalizations.

It wasn't really what I'd call unwelcome or unexpected news. It just seemed off-topic and irrelevant.

Also:

I don't deem him a fool for his skeptical position on AGW. I deem him a fool for his apparent inability to understand that Judith Lean's presentation was saying that it wasn't the sun (stupid); his apparent ignorance of the Maunder minimum; and assorted other equivalently dumbfuck words and deeds.

Now I don't live in a reality based system, and see things this way...

But first, let me share with you some of my observations on AGW that have unfolded over the last decade or so..

The whole CAGW/AGW bandwagon probably had influenced the greatest number and percentage of people late last century with polls showing in those days up to 70% or more of people across the developed world believed in it.

Since then, there has been a steady decline of belief due to many reasons including Climategate 1, and 2 involving claims

I apologize for interrupting. But before I go back to bearing with you, I wanted to let you know that I'm just going to put three asterisks after the really majorly misleading and/or wrong parts of your post, okay? Like this: ***

Thanks.

of scientific fraud,*** lack of significant warming over the last 15 years,*** and product marketing fatigue as the endless CAGW doom and gloom media productions began to fail to rouse the same fear and urgency in the masses it once was able to do.

MSM in the last 4 or 5 years have dramatically cut back their AGW stories as it isn't selling anymore. The polls from around the world all show that year after year, the numbers have been steadily dropping in terms of peoples concern about AGW.

The latest Pew poll for the US shows that global Warming is now down to a meager 29% of the population..

I'm sure that Willard Anthony Watts is very proud of that figure.

In the mean time, more and more scientists have come out to join the skeptics as climate research results show that the earliest temperature projections by Hansen et al were way off in relation to actual real time global temperature as the years went by.*** And simultaneously, skeptic blogs were attracting huge numbers of disaffected scientists and others with an interest, and became vibrant centers of rebellion*** against what they see as flawed science on the part of the inner members of the AGW community,.. people like Hansen, Mann, Jones, etc., while the pro AGW web sites languish relative to the skeptics..

WUWT crashed through the 100 million reads mark recently

So unbeknowns to you,*** Empire already understood that the AGW bandwagon was going over the cliff and becoming irrelevant.
And so they have acted and as they do, they are creating a new reality. I don't know personally if Anthony Watts is living in a reality based community or not, but it doesn't matter because he is being used like all the rest playing their part in Empire's creation.

And then you will use your judicious assessment of the new arrangement/creation, and as you do that, Empire is creating something new again, and all you ever do is use your judicious discernment to study artifacts.

I wish. It's not like a grateful nation pays me a stipend for it, you know.

Hey! Wait a minute! Was that insulting condescension?

Harumph.

So here I sit and watch the world play out according to Empire's plans, and all you people seem to do is pontificate and argue and fight over the discernible reality presented to your perception via so called 'news' which is forever after the fact.

I'm not sure how that differs from using your judicious discernment to study artifacts, for which imaginary pastime I think you just condescendingly insulted me. To be honest with you. Yet you seem to think very highly of yourself for doing it.

I'm confused. How does that make you better than me except that in your opinion, you just are?

You know that, yet you are so fixated on what is happening in the virtual reality created by the ptb***, that you have lost the faculty of 'seeing' that which is before your very nose, actual real reality devoid of any and all mental conceptualizations.

That is all,..liberation isn't about saving others, or the planet, its about humbly being who you really are,..not about being a part of some reality based community that is played by the puppet masters so that you will never become empowered as a real individual who understands 'what' and ''who' they really are in the context of actual REAL existence.

Okay. I bore with you. But you weren't really talking to me. You were talking to some strawman.

Btw C2W, where did you pick up that cute little lap dog Rory,.. his is he house trained?

Ben D, seriously. There's no call for that. It's not very full of Buddha. And anyway, we're just talking here. Don't let it get under your skin.
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Rory, thanks very much for your kind words.

[Ben D]

I apologize for interrupting. But before I go back to bearing with you, I wanted to let you know that I'm just going to put three asterisks after the really majorly misleading and/or wrong parts of your post, okay? Like this: ***

That's fine, I'm not surprised where the *** fell after applying your judicious assessment to the discerned reality of your mind's conceptualized representation of what I had expressed in the context of your own preconception of same.

I'm not sure how that differs from using your judicious discernment to study artifacts, for which imaginary pastime I think you just condescendingly insulted me. To be honest with you. Yet you seem to think very highly of yourself for doing it.
I'm confused. How does that make you better than me except that in your opinion, you just are?

Not better than or worse than, the context is that there are causes and effects,...real people do, and the total number of these are probably about 10% of the world's population (and not necessarily all on the one side), and the 90% play out the consequences of the doers action, as 'actors',... they live in an sort of virtual reality brought to them by the 10%.

Only those people of the 90% concern themselves with pride of position, possessions, appearance, respect from others, etc., as that is the only thing that gives them a sense of being real and of worth, and unfortunately if that is shattered then there is an awful emptiness and feeling of worthlessness as they are not yet really real people like the 10%ers. Theirs (90%ers) is a world based on conceptualized reality, ie.thought based, whereas the others live in the here and now and therefore are always in the thick of it (actual REALITY).

Okay. I bore with you. But you weren't really talking to me. You were talking to some strawman.

I was talking to the whole person, the real person, the actor and the potential doer.

Ben D, seriously. There's no call for that. It's not very full of Buddha. And anyway, we're just talking here. Don't let it get under your skin.

Good advice C2W,..sit boy! ..namaste...

[wintler2]

they are not yet really real people like the 10%ers. Theirs (90%ers) is a world based on conceptualized reality, ie.thought based, whereas the others live in the here and now and therefore are always in the thick of it (actual REALITY). .. not yet really real people like the 10%ers ..

"..Paging Ayn Rand, paging Ayn Rand, your love child with Eckhart Tolle is having a vision, please bring mouth guard & restraints to the play pen.."

[Rory]

Indeed he does. People like you and our resident comedian Rory.People asking, nay screaming for proof of "exotic" technology, and proof of its suppression. And then when a big pile of it is posted the fingers go in the ears and their screaming gets louder. Even those "exotic" technologies that dont break any of the precious laws of Physics and Thermodynamics which these people ( and not surprisingly the controllers) cling to like limpets. Perhaps there should be a law explaining how the level of evidence offered by an idea is exponential to the level of ignorance to it by those who ask for it ?

Way to change the world man ! Way to break free of a contrived debate where nobody wins for all the mindsink intelligence thrown at it, including your own !

Whats that quote again about attempting to solve problems by using the same thinking that created them ?

squeekymouse: I posted a reply asking you personally a series of questions about this vaunted exotic tech. No reply there wee man. I asked you for how this magical thinking would pan out and received no reply. I asked you how would it stop the corporate meat grinder, especially if they had no effective energy limits. No reply.

These physical laws may be imperfect, flawed and limiting. But, for the most part they are testable and repeatedly so. Engineers, unfortunately are not magicians: when we need things made from bad faith and magical thinking, maybe you would be available for hire?

[slimmouse]

squeekymouse: I posted a reply asking you personally a series of questions about this vaunted exotic tech. No reply there wee man. I asked you for how this magical thinking would pan out and received no reply. I asked you how would it stop the corporate meat grinder, especially if they had no effective energy limits. No reply.

These physical laws may be imperfect, flawed and limiting. But, for the most part they are testable and repeatedly so. Engineers, unfortunately are not magicians: when we need things made from bad faith and magical thinking, maybe you would be available for hire?

I did deal with it briefly, but clearly not to your satisfaction. Nothing ever seems to satisfy some. Meanwhile theres a thread on here for instance that briefly resurfaces, as news of such technology emerges, to which Ive made a couple of contributions. Funnily enough those threads sink, leaving you asking me again in this thread. Youre a smart funny guy Rory, it shouldnt take you too long to find it. Your comments, wit and in depth analysis are always welcome.

[Rory]

I don't live in a reality based system

Amen brother bendie - you are recanting. Good, good.

Now perhaps, you might like to grow with this new found honesty and admit the dishonesty of sourcing anything from such purveyors of lies such as the daily mail, telegraph or WSJ. Maybe you'd like to admit that spokespeople from cato/heartlands etc, are working to cover up the damage caused by the sociopatoligargy - crimes for which the planet will suffer. Perhaps you would like to admit the deceit inherent in your discourse here?

Btw C2W, where did you pick up that cute little lap dog Rory,.. his is he house trained?

I detect a lot of barely contained anger with you bendie. Did your dreams of your place in the white male lie, the heteronormative paradigm let you down? Was your forays into reality such a insult into your white male ego construct, such that you began to rail against such evils like environmentalists? Is that why you retreated from such harsh and frankly insulting concepts like personal responsibility and truth?
You went into this womb like shell of new age unreality and dressed it up with cute little Sanskrit words and bullshit 'i don't live in reality', pseudo philosophy.

All you have are lies, insults and your midlife crisis. Om shanti om..

[Rory]

Youre a smart funny guy Rory, it shouldnt take you too long to find it. Your comments, wit and in depth analysis are always welcome.

Ah, the old, I answered it in a way you didn't understand (not at all) and its in another thread, somewhere else (apparently), but it appears to have fallen off the board, not that I would be a good faith mouse and link to it or even copy and paste any relevant reply.

Squeeky?, once again: what will stop tptb/corporate meatgrinder/4th dimensional shape shifting lizards/aliens from the tv show 'V', from doing whatever evil they chose, if they had your magical-unlimited energy machines?

[brainpanhandler]

Look, before this thread gets locked can we all agree, except BenD of course, that Ben in this thread has been shown to be a deliberate bad faith actor and fraud and that he has no interest in honest debate? Is that clear to everyone once and for all?

I mean the only alternative explanation is that he is a complete idiot and I wouldn't say he is a complete idiot or at least not that big an idiot.

[barracuda]

they are not yet really real people like the 10%ers. Theirs (90%ers) is a world based on conceptualized reality, ie.thought based, whereas the others live in the here and now and therefore are always in the thick of it (actual REALITY). .. not yet really real people like the 10%ers ..

"..Paging Ayn Rand, paging Ayn Rand, your love child with Eckhart Tolle is having a vision, please bring mouth guard & restraints to the play pen.."

It's odd to watch someone twist the flippant condescension of a toady Bush-era bureaucrat into the foundation for a popscicle-stick personal philosophy. You'd think some circumspection would kick in before approvingly referencing the imperial fantasies of totalitarian mass murderers in this or any context, no matter one's position on the issue at hand.

If this thread is to be saved, it needs an injection of civility.

So far, not much. This discussion needs a reboot, badly.

[Rory]

Rory, thanks very much for your kind words.

You're welcome - I have read much of your postings here and am not ashamed to say you are one of the best writers on these boards. Thoughtful and compassionate also.

I'm a firm believer in assessing what people do rather than what they say. You can make cute little pseudo, rip-off 'eastern philosophy references all you want. Your soul remains the same and it shows in your behavior. Anger, lies and deceit will manifest if that is your karma. A 'namaste' here and there doesn't disguise the canker within the consciousness.

And the repeated sourcing from liars and fraudsters is further evidence of the deceptive consciousness before us.