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tracing culprits...need help

Postby ir » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:55 am

While researching darpa-israel links, i stumbled on a reference to certain early cooperation regarding the reconnaissance technology or "predator" (what a name). apparently, Darpa assigned the development to Israel and then reappropriated it via a corporation called LSI (Leading Systems Inc.) owned by one Abraham Karen. The corporation went bancrupt and the technology was sold to Hughes. This is around the late 70's and seems to have established a pattern of "cooperation" (he ha), whereby Israel received some tech, improves the capacities, and the US reappropriates the R&D for free basically. while, the israelis are supplying the "field testing" with real blood and fire and dead humans, and guinea pigs.<br><br>I was interested to trace LSI, and the only Abraham Karen I found in google.IL is a prof. of brain studies , who happens to have a dual citizenship, namely American israeli. <br>Could he be a DARPA worker in fact ? <br><br>Just curious. <br><br>This is the site I found LSI on - <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:Cu3x6B2youwJ:www.darpa.mil/body/pdf/P-3698_Vol_1_final.pdf+darpa+israel&hl=iw">66.249.93.104/search?q=ca...rael&hl=iw</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>You can scroll down to footnote 119 or run search of<br>Abraham Karen or LSI<br><br>this is the Brain center he works for, ineresting to take a look at the other members there. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/brain/members.htm">www.tau.ac.il/lifesci/brain/members.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Karen is actually doing work on genetic roots of deafness, and curiously has been working with an Arab colleague from Bethlehem, on a joint research on prevalence of deafness among Arabs, possibly because of inbreeding. This coincides with DARPA's interest in "genetic research of Arabs/Moslems", and the Arab colleague could be providing the access to population genetic data. In an interview on this lovely "peaceful" cooperation, The Arab colleague had mentioned that he is violating the PA's directive against scientific cooperation with Israeli scientists, but the project is "too big" now for it to be damaged by such politics. Namely, US big money, overrides Abu Abbas. I found it kind of funny that Karen project is dealing with the ear, and Israel's attempt to assassinate Haled Mashaal by sending some liquid down his ear. <br><br>Am I being overly inquisitive ? any feedback ?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: tracing culprits...need help

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:39 pm

"Went bankrupt"? Makes a person wonder. There was another company that developed a program called PROMIS for the US Justice Department, I believe. It was so fantastic that it had lots of other applications. The Justice Department wanted it for themselves, so they drove the company into bankruptcy. <p></p><i></i>
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fake bankcrupcies

Postby ir » Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:57 pm

The way it was described in the DARPA report itself begs for skepticism of the "bankrcupcy". It can either be "driven to bankcrupcy" or mutually agreed upon bankcrupcy, by both parties (creditor and debtor, under a bogus claim; since I pracriced law for several years, I still remember those tactics, its quite common, either for tax evasion, or bypassing red tape and a host of other fishy reasons.). <p></p><i></i>
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It's Abraham Karem -- not Karen

Postby starroute » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:17 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vectorsite.net/twuav12.html">www.vectorsite.net/twuav12.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1984, DARPA issued a $40 million US contract to Leading Systems Incorporated (LSI) of Irvine, California, to build an endurance UAV named "Amber". Amber was to be used for photographic reconnaissance, ELINT missions, or as a cruise missile. The US Army, Navy, and Marine Corps were interested, and DARPA eventually passed control over to the Navy.<br><br>Amber was designed by a team under Abraham Karem of Leading Systems.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Googling on Abraham Karem turns up a fair number of links (and Abraham E. Karem turns up a couple more.) It seems he's most recently been associated with a firm called Frontier Systems, which was acquired by Boeing in 2004. Have a look at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/a160.htm">www.globalsecurity.org/in...s/a160.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> -- very futuristic stuff. <br><br>So there may be something interesting going on here, but he's not the same as your deaf-Arabs guy.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starroute>starroute</A> at: 12/23/05 10:18 am<br></i>
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thanks starrout, that makes MUCH MORE SENSE

Postby ir » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:31 pm

Look where my paranoia has taken me...but truly, the DARPA doc misspelled the name and it becomes a highly unusual name for any Israeli to carry. (youd find manny KEREN, which means horn AND affluence), but KAREN has no meaning in Hebrew. <br>I will google KAREM in Israel, this is also a weird name (if that's his actual birth name). <br><br>It just showed me how easy it is to build an entire conspiracy speculation (in one's mind, of course) and become paranoid. that's why I prefer brainstorming on such issues.<br><br>I am still uneasy about the Brain research, because of the other link I placed in the DARPA-Israel thread, about the brain conference (Israeli-German..of all), where some of the speakers/researches are sponsored by DARPA. It feels like they are everywhere with really problematic goals in mind.<br><br>I wonder if they have a person, or a staff, responsible for Israel, and who might that person be, possibly an Israeli/American. IT also has to do with academia/military ties and the host of other problems discussed here. the caterpillar link is interesting tying all these issues together (namely, DARPA Israeli military and violations of human rights).<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: thanks starrout, that makes MUCH MORE SENSE

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:59 pm

I think Karem is a Lebanese name <p></p><i></i>
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Re: tracing culprits...need help

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:27 pm

Interesting. That other conspiracy involved an Earl Brian who had been a brain surgeon at one time, if I remember right. He was the person that the Justice Department (sic) "gave" the PROMIS program to. <br><br>Ok, checked my file. Trust your instincts, ir. Here's an example of how these characters can be interwoven between the two countries:<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/octopus2.htm">www.apfn.org/apfn/octopus2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The two men studied six photographs laid out before them. Have you ever seen any of these men? Merrill was asked. Immediately he singled out the second photo. In a separate line up, Hamilton's secretary singled out the same photo. Both said the man had visited Inslaw in February 1983 for a presentation of PROMIS, Inslaw's bread-and-butter legal software. Hamilton, who knew the purpose of the line-up, identified the visitor as Dr. Ben Orr. At the time of his visit, Orr claimed to be a public prosecutor from Israel. Orr was impressed with the power of PROMIS (Prosecutors Management Information Systems), which had recently been updated by Inslaw to run on powerful 32-bit VAX computers from Digital Equipment Corp. He fell in love with the VAX version, Hamilton recalled. Dr. Orr never came back, and he never bought anything. No one knew why at the time. But for Hamilton, who has fought the Department of Justice (DOJ) for almost 10 years in an effort to salvage his business, once his co-workers recognized the man in the second photo, it all made perfect sense. <br><br><br><br>For the second photo was not of the mysterious Dr. Orr, it was of Rafael Etian, chief of the Israeli defense force's anti-terrorism intelligence unit. The Department of Justice sent him over for a look at the property they were about to misappropriate, and Etian liked what he saw. Department of Justice documents record that one Dr. Ben Orr left the DOJ on May 6, 1983, with a computer tape containing PROMIS tucked under his arm. What for the past decade has been known as the Inslaw affair began to unravel in the final, shredder-happy days of the Bush administration. According to Federal court documents, PROMIS was stolen from Inslaw by the Department of Justice directly after Etian's 1983 visit to Inslaw (a later congressional investigation preferred to use the word misappropriated). And according to sworn affidavits, PROMIS was then given or sold at a profit to Israel and as many as 80 other countries by Dr. Earl W. Brian, a man with close personal and business ties to then-President Ronald Reagan and then-Presidential counsel Edwin Meese. A House Judiciary Committee report released last September found evidence raising serious concerns that high officials at the Department of Justice executed a premeditated plan to destroy Inslaw and co-opt the rights to its PROMIS software.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 12/23/05 11:32 am<br></i>
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Re: tracing culprits...need help

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:42 pm

Sorry, not meaning to hijack the thread, but the similarities are spooky. Earl Brian had his finger in all sorts of companies, and the ones he was involved in gave me the creeps, considering his government role. Here is a sample:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.american-buddha.com/last.circle.11.htm">www.american-buddha.com/l...cle.11.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"...Dr. Brian ultimately directed his energies towards biological technology. Another of his companies, Biotech Capital Corporation of New York, became 50% owner of American Cytogenetics, which was planning in 1982 to create a subsidiary to engage in genetic research. One notable investor in Biotech, when it went public in 1981, was Edwin Meese. Today, American Cytogenetics in North Hollywood, California, conducts Pap tests for cervical cancer. It also tests tissue samples for cancer and related diseases. Sales in 1985 were $3.4 million...."<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: tracing culprits...need help

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:43 pm

Tell you what, I'll start another thread. <p></p><i></i>
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no trace of Abraham Karem, and no such name in Israel

Postby ir » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:25 pm

strange.<br><br>perhaps it is Karen after all. Chiggebit, were there other links to his name, except the one above ? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: no trace of Abraham Karem, and no such name in Israel

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:40 pm

Earl Brian? Yes, oh, yes. <p></p><i></i>
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