Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:21 pm

One's holocaust denier is another's M$M

Why is it completely ok with the anointed ones to post link after link after link that denies the holocaust of millions...

Is the reason that they just do not deny the political correct ethnic group?

Aa far as I am concerned M$M is no better than Icke himself (actual more because of the proliferation of lies, deceit and popularity)....and should be treated as such


if that's the lay of the land here

a sin of ommision is still a sin



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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:58 pm

AIPAC Undermines Democracy at Home and in the Middle East
by Medea Benjamin
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the most powerful lobby organizations in the country. On March 4-6, AIPAC will be holding its annual policy conference in Washington DC. The speakers include Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, U.S. President Barack Obama, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, Republican candidate Newt Gingrich and a host of other powerful politicians.

AIPAC has tremendous clout but its influence has been disastrous for U.S. foreign policy and U.S. democracy. Here are ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous.

1. AIPAC is lobbying Congress to promote a military confrontation with Iran. AIPAC – like the Israeli government – is demanding that the U.S. attack Iran militarily to prevent Iran from having the technological capacity to produce nuclear weapons, even though U.S. officials say Iran isn’t trying to build a weapon (and even though Israel has hundreds of undeclared nuclear weapons). AIPAC has successfully lobbied the U.S. government to adopt crippling economic sanctions on Iran, including trying to cut off Iran’s oil exports, despite the fact that these sanctions raise the price of gas and threaten the U.S. economy.

2. AIPAC promotes Israeli policies that are in direct opposition to international law. These include the establishment of colonies (settlements) in the Occupied West Bank and the confiscation of Palestinian land in its construction of the 26-foot high concrete “separation barrier” running through the West Bank. The support of these illegal practices makes to impossible to achieve a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

3. AIPAC’s call for unconditional support for the Israeli government threatens our national security. The United States’ one-sided support of Israel, demanded by AIPAC, has significantly increased anti-American sentiment throughout the Middle East, thus endangering our troops and sowing the seeds of more possible terrorist attacks against us. Gen. David Petraeus on March 16, 2010 admitted that the U.S./Palestine conflict “foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel.” He also said that “Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support.”

4. AIPAC undermines American support for democracy movements in the Arab world. AIPAC looks at the entire Arab world through the lens of Israeli government interests, not the democratic aspirations of the Arab people. It has therefore supported corrupt, repressive regimes that are friendly to the Israeli government, such as Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak. Events now unfolding in the Middle East should convince U.S. policy-makers of the need to break from AIPAC’s grip and instead support democratic forces in the Arab world.

5. AIPAC makes the U.S. a pariah at the UN. AIPAC describes the UN as a body hostile to the State of Israel and has pressured the U.S. government to oppose resolutions calling Israel to account. Since 1972, the US has vetoed 44 UN Security Council resolutions condemning Israel’s actions against the Palestinians. President Obama continues that policy. Under Obama, the US vetoed UN censure of the savage Israeli assault on Gaza in January 2009 in which about 1400 Palestinians were killed; a 2011 resolution calling for a halt to the illegal Israeli West Bank settlements even though this was stated U.S. policy; a 2011 resolution calling for Israel to cease obstructing the work of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees; and another resolution calling for an end to illegal Israeli settlement building in East Jerusalem and the occupied Golan Heights.

6. AIPAC attacks politicians who question unconditional support of Israel. AIPAC demands that Congress to rubber stamp legislation drafted by AIPAC staff. It keeps a record of how members of Congress vote and this record is used by donors to make contributions to the politicians who score well. Members of Congress who fail to support AIPAC legislation have been targeted for defeat in re-election bids. These include Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, and Earl F. Hilliard. AIPAC’s overwhelmingly disproportionate influence on Congress subverts our democratic system.

7. AIPAC attempts to silence all criticism of Israel by labeling critics as “anti-Semitic,” “de-legitimizers” or “self-hating Jews.” Journalists, think tanks, students and professors have been accused of anti-Semitism for merely taking stands critical of Israeli government policies. These attacks stifle the critical discussions and debates that are at the heart of democratic policy-making. The recent attacks on staffers at the Center for American Progress is but one example of AIPAC efforts to crush all dissent.

8. AIPAC feeds U.S. government officials a distorted view of the Israel/Palestine conflict. AIPAC takes U.S. representatives on sugar-coated trips to Israel. In 2011, AIPAC took one out of very five members of Congress—and many of their spouses—on a free junket to Israel to see precisely what the Israeli government wanted them to see. It is illegal for lobby groups to take Congresspeople on trips, but AIPAC gets around the law by creating a bogus educational group, AIEF, to “organize” the trips for them. AIEF has the same office address as AIPAC and the same staff. These trips help cement the ties between AIPAC and Congress, furthering their undue influence.

9. AIPAC lobbies for billions of U.S. taxdollars to go to Israel instead of rebuilding America. While our country is reeling from a prolonged financial crisis, AIPAC is pushing for no cuts in military funds for Israel, a wealthy nation. With communities across the nation slashing budgets for teachers, firefighters and police, AIPAC pushes for over $3 billion a year to Israel.

10. Money to Israel takes funds from world’s poor. Israel has the 24th largest economy in the world, but thanks to AIPAC, it gets more U.S. taxdollars than any other country. At a time when the foreign aid budget is being slashed, keeping the lion’s share of foreign assistance for Israel meaning taking funds from critical programs to feed, provide shelter and offer emergency assistance to the world’s poorest people.

The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has influence on U.S. policy out of all proportion to the number of Americans who support its policies. When a small group like this has disproportionate power, that hurts everyone—including Israelis and American Jews.

From stopping a catastrophic war with Iran to finally solving the Israel/Palestine conflict, an essential starting point is breaking AIPAC’s grip on U.S. policy.


The Mossad Has Long Given Marching Orders to AIPAC
by Grant Smith, February 28, 2012

AIPAC’s Washington policy conference next month is drawing intense scrutiny and unprecedented resistance. AIPAC has worked quietly for years to tripwire the United States into war with Iran. Soon it will “ask” Congress and the president to define “nuclear weapons capability” as the threshold for war, essentially demanding an immediate attack. Because Iran presents no military threat to the United States, many Americans wonder exactly where such costly and potentially disastrous policies are formulated. Recently declassified FBI files reveal how Israeli government officials first orchestrated public relations and policies through the U.S. lobby. Counter-espionage investigations of proto-AIPAC’s first coordinating meetings with the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the head of Mossad provide a timely and useful framework for understanding how AIPAC continues to localize and market Israeli government policies in America.

Although AIPAC claims it rose “from a small pro-Israel public affairs boutique in the 1950s,” its true origin can be traced to Oct. 16, 1948. This is the date AIPAC’s founder Isaiah L. Kenen and four others established the Israel Office of Information under Israel’s U.N. mission. It was later moved under the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The IOI opened offices in New York City, Washington, and Los Angeles, which became testbeds for working out how Israeli government leaders would promote lobbying initiatives through public relations harnessing the power and financial support of American organizations and supporters. Although the FBI nervously noted IOI founder Kenen had become a member of the Communist Party in 1937 while working as a newspaperman at the Plain Dealer in Cleveland, he was never the subject of a criminal investigation. Only because Kenen interacted with so many U.S. and foreign nationals who were targets of espionage, foreign counter-intelligence, and domestic security investigations (such as super-lobbyist Abraham Feinberg, Israeli diplomats, and assorted Mossad officers) did Kenen’s movements appear as cross-references in hundreds of pages of recently declassified FBI documents [.pdf].

Isaiah Kenen became a savvy PR operative working as the director of public relations for the Israeli United Nations delegation after he left the Plain Dealer. It is because of Kenen’s public relations acumen and contacts the IOI could insert Israeli propaganda directly into establishment U.S. media. One IOI Public Relations Board meeting held in the Israeli Consulate General in New York on May 9, 1949, pushed U.S. media initiatives aimed at boosting Israel’s economy. The IOI wanted to “place a series of pieces in from eight to twelve top magazines” including Reader’s Digest and Cosmopolitan by “making funds available for important propaganda programs.” New York IOI focused on “U.N., Organizations (Jewish), and the press emanating from New York” while the IOI Washington office covered “other embassies, Congress, Washington Press, and the National Press Club.”

It was during a July 18, 1949, meeting that Israeli Counsel Reuven Dafni informed Isaiah Kenen and others that Foreign Minister Moshe Sharett in coordination with Mossad founder Reuven Shiloah and Israeli ambassador to the United States Eliahu Elath had recently conducted a strategy session about public relations and “thrashed out” everything except for the question of funding. Kenen reported that his New York IOI was ready to go. The FBI description reveals that it was already functioning somewhat like a Mossad intelligence outpost. IOI New York was responsible for receiving information cables from Israel. “One member of the staff spent much of the day decoding and stenciling” the cables. IOI offices established secure communications crisscrossing the U.S. Dafni “reported that his [Kenen's] office and the Washington IOI worked out a code so that classified messages could be translated.”

It is during 1949 that Kenen drafted a confidential strategy report about how the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs could implement Israeli policy initiatives and PR most effectively in the United States. The “Kenen Report” described how the New York IOI processed Israeli government information into news releases. IOI N.Y. “disseminates documents” into the U.S. news stream for the “general public,” noted the FBI. In September 1949, Kenen initiated “the distribution of a weekly news service … sent to Anglo-Jewish newspapers, Jewish organizations, and individuals.” The FBI noted Kenen’s strategy of having the Israel lobby media apparatus pay for favorable coverage. “The report further states that frequent conferences were held with representatives of the Jewish agencies and the American Zionist Council to discuss public relations policies and techniques. It states how 104 National Jewish Agencies in New York receive releases and constantly ask for news editorial advice, feature material, and photographs and had cooperated in helping produce some of the more important publications by buying and distributing large quantities.” Kenen described core IOI functions, while foreshadowing his impending move to Washington. “He collects intelligence, meeting press attaches of other embassies, publicity men of national political parties, Congress and government officials…. Washington is a city of personal contact. The Washington office is a goodwill and intelligence outpost for the government. It is not an office of information in the sense of production and distribution.”

Like the AIPAC of today, IOI was highly attentive to Israeli military objectives. In January1950 the IOI strategized how to effectively quash U.S. arms sales to Arab states. IOI Press Relations Board coordinator Moshe Keren “had discussed with Jewish organizations the serious situation arising out of Egypt receiving arms; that the balance of power in the Middle East was completely changed by this move and it would be advisable to contact the major papers.” Kenen agreed with the Foreign Ministry/Mossad strategy but differed on tactics. Kenen highlighted the advantages of a more indirect approach, suggesting that action instead be initiated at the U.N. Security Council or that an explosive news story be leaked that could overturn U.S. arms-sale policy in a way not traceable back to IOI. Kenen thought it might be dangerous to directly fight U.S. Cold War objectives of buying friends in the Middle East through arms sales. According to Kenen, it “would be difficult to get support from the papers since the question of armaments was part of the East-West complications.” The FBI report frankly categorized Kenen’s exchange as an example of “efforts being made by the Israelis to change the policies of the United States State Department.” A crackdown ensued.

The 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act required that Kenen and all other IOI operatives disclose their funding from the Israeli government and major propaganda programs. FARA also mandated that individual communications such as news releases, pamphlets, and even editorials be clearly identified as originating from the Israeli government or their designated foreign agents. The IOI wanted to fly underneath this radar. Beginning in 1948 the Justice Department continually cited IOI for incomplete reports and failing to even disclose the existence of a large IOI operation in California. The FBI forwarded to the Justice Department multiple examples of stealth IOI propaganda pieces that failed to display mandatory foreign-agent declaration stamps. Under pressure, Kenen decided it was time to go off the FARA grid and move to Washington.

Kenen formally negotiated his departure from the Israel Office of Information in 1951 as a bid to begin lobbying entirely through Israeli-financed U.S. citizen-based organizations. The major impetus was to more effectively push aid legislation, according to his autobiography. “Israelis began looking for a lobbyist to promote the necessary legislation … would I leave the Israeli delegation for six months to lobby on Capitol Hill? There were other questions. Should I continue my registration as an agent of the Israel government? Was it appropriate for an embassy to lobby? Embassies talked to the State Department, and American voters talked to their congressmen.” Kenen asked the Justice Department FARA office to de-list him as a foreign agent when he registered as a domestic lobbyist in February 1951.

Kenen ignored a subsequent Justice Department order that he continue registering as an Israeli foreign agent. Throughout the 1950s the Israeli-government-funded Jewish Agency in Jerusalem secretly paid Kenen by financing his newsletter, the Near East Report, which the FBI Washington Field Office characterized as “a violently anti-Arabic, pro-Israel, pro-Zionist publication” of an “obvious propaganda nature” [.pdf]. Under Kenen’s leadership, AIPAC established its own Washington, D.C., New York, and California offices, taking over so many Israeli Foreign Ministry functions that the IOIs became redundant and were eventually shut down. Kenen and Israeli lobbying organizations adopted a tactic of “reconstituting” themselves through new corporate shells in order to continue operations whenever they were threatened by public revelations of money laundering, espionage investigations, and Justice Department orders to register as foreign agents.

AIPAC continues to use many of the indirect public relations tactics pioneered by Kenen, albeit much less skillfully. A 2004 attempt to funnel purloined U.S. classified intelligence to The Washington Post in order to portray Iran as engaged in “total war” against the United States backfired, leading to Espionage Act indictments against AIPAC employees and an embarrassing defamation suit currently in the D.C. Court of Appeals. A former AIPAC public relations director’s stealth attempt to have vocal think-tank critics of the Israel lobby fired also fizzled due to broad exposure of the plot on the Internet. Today the constant reverberations of AIPAC’s drumbeat for war emanating from mainstream broadcast and print media increasingly hit an obstacle course of debunking and outright ridicule on the Internet. The Freedom of Information Act continues to put a steady stream of documents into the public record revealing how — just as in its formative IOI phase — AIPAC continues to function more as an arm of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Mossad than a legitimate charity.

Though they tried, U.S. counter-intelligence and law enforcement officials failed to counteract or properly regulate AIPAC’s stealth foreign agency during the Cold War. Today the lobby’s pursuit of Israeli interests threatens to plunge the entire Middle East into war and burn the delicate tendrils of global economic recovery. Evidence of the Israeli government directing AIPAC today is self-evident as Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu crank AIPAC’s handles to winch themselves uninvited into U.S. election-year politics. It only remains to be seen whether sufficient numbers of concerned Americans will angrily rise from the sidelines to confront AIPAC before its foreign principals maneuver America into a disastrous war for Israel.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:31 pm

compared2what? wrote:But that's why it makes a difference now. That difference being:

If the residents of Gaza and the West Bank were liberated from Israel now, they might not have to spend the next two decades being denied political and military autonomy by Egypt and Jordan, as they did between 1948 and 1967.

And, yes, I do know that there's more to it than that. However, it did happen. And as a people, the complete powerlessness of the Palestinians against Israel in 1967 wasn't exactly unrelated to their already having been completely powerless as a people.

So there you have it. Reason for hope.


But at least the West Bank, including eastern Jerusalem, and Gaza, were inhabited by the Palestinians at the time, most of them in their own homes, on their own lands. That's what I meant. Even as recently as the late 80s, going to these areas meant that one was surrounded by Palestinian people, culture, architecture, businesses, etc. There were entire towns and villages where life went on much as it always had, for the most part. Now the landscape itself is unrecognizable, covered and surrounded with enormous armed colonies, walls and checkpoints, and the settlers are everywhere, heavily armed and claiming everything as theirs. Ancient towns, villages, farms and orchards have been destroyed and built over, and natural resources depleted or irreversibly polluted.

But what I really meant was that the Palestinian struggle for freedom is only one part of the struggle of Arab people's, indeed of humanity's struggle. I remember once, years ago, returning from the Occupied Territories to Egypt and being struck by the thought: "At least they understand that they're living under a hostile occupation." Just because they are directly occupied by foreigners while our countries' foreign occupations are compartmentalized and sub-contracted to local quislings, doesn't make them less oppressive, or rapacious, or parasitic.

Any victory for one is a victory for all. Because freedom is indivisible, and to liberate Palestine is to liberate ourselves, just as to liberate ourselves means that Palestinians also will be free. I define freedom as the ability of citizens to collectively participate in their nation's decisions, to ensure that their government defends the human and civil and economic rights of every person under its authority, and to have a government that is above all accountable to its people.

Dictatorships are no substitute, regardless of whether they are of local or foreign origin. We want to use our own resources to benefit our people, we want our armies to defend us, and we want to be free to establish mutually profitable trade with the partners of our choice, based on our priorities and needs. If we can accomplish this, it will represent the single best hope for a brighter future, not only for ourselves, but for the others. Every victory empowers us, and weakens the oppressors, clearing the way for yet another victory, and so on.

The revolutionary wave currently rocking our countries is best defined as an explicit recognition of this reality (although this aspect of the revolution has been consistently played down in the media coverage of the "Arab Spring"). It explains why people all over the region, including people in sub-Saharan African countries, identified so much with our struggle and have been so anxious for it to succeed. And why such powerful international players are joining together to make it fail.

But the revolution is ongoing, and as the Tunisians say in the final four verses of their national anthem:

If, one day, the people will to live
then destiny must respond;
darkness must be dispelled,
and chains must break.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:43 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:One's holocaust denier is another's M$M

Why is it completely ok with the anointed ones to post link after link after link that denies the holocaust of millions...

Is the reason that they just do not deny the political correct ethnic group?

Aa far as I am concerned M$M is no better than Icke himself (actual more because of the proliferation of lies, deceit and popularity)....and should be treated as such


if that's the lay of the land here

a sin of ommision is still a sin



this statement was not intended to include Jeff or the mods


Could you please unpack your logic here a bit?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:22 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:Evidence of the Israeli government directing AIPAC today is self-evident as Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu crank AIPAC’s handles to winch themselves uninvited into U.S. election-year politics. It only remains to be seen whether sufficient numbers of concerned Americans will angrily rise from the sidelines to confront AIPAC before its foreign principals maneuver America into a disastrous war for Israel.


In only a few days, beginning on March 4, Americans will be treated to the cringe-worthy spectacle of their Commander-in-Chief and other presidential candidates competing with each other to debase themselves before AIPAC, only interrupting their pledges of undying, passionate, unconditional allegiance to the zionist state to promise even more generous gifts of money and weapons and to threaten countries on Israel's hit-list.

Unlike other campaign promises, made to the American people, you can take these to the bank -- thus demonstrating that the candidates, at least, know to whom they're really accountable.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby slimmouse » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:40 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Anyway, I should have stopped back on page 1 with this:

JackRiddler wrote:SNIP

I'm happy to say, "the pro-Israeli lobby in the United States." That's what AIPAC and ADL are. Demystify them, describe what they do soberly, and you sap them of their power.

.

(Alternately as we've seen you can always just take the Protocols II approach.)


The pro Israeli lobby ??? What ??? How very dare you, dont you know how antisemitic that is ?

Want a few articles on that Jack. Ive no doubt I can find you a few, even courtesy of my limited google searches these days. I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit, that the legendary bastions of free speech that infest the MSM, the Dershowitzes, Aaranovitches, and a further host of the grossest liars your dollar can buy will have that one covered.

I can only assume they do this stuff cos their very clever, but highly immoral ? I guess thats your take on it, right ?

Nothing to do with a subconscious brainwashing which strips them of any real self respect or compassion ? I call them Dupes, stooges, and all the rest of it because when I look at that peice of rock in the Desert, and the ongoing injustice and suffering which these people front for, I can only conclude that they clearly are not in their right mind by any real measure of the term.

This is the Israel project in action. Regrettably, and obviously unlike like you and AD, I havent spent years looking behind the scenes at the genesis of this monstrousity, but I do know someone that has, and Ive no doubt you wont be surprised to hear that I would trust his analysis over your own anyday. But you see, you cant go there, cos were probably going to get a cartoon show from the painstakingly meticulous AD in a minute explaining how this is all simply nuts ( talk about employing an intelligent community such as this fiddling while Rome fucking burns) .

That why I say what I say. Its the 0.000001% in action. Splash the lucre around, talk some pseudo religious claptrap, and throw in the freedom card, and bingo. The few cant control the many ? Piece of cake. It ALWAYS is, and you know that as well as most. In fact if I recall correctly you even said it yourself once over. I guess we just differ on who the said faceless control freaks are.

Im awating my list of safe sources for criticism of Israel. Ive got my AD style superstrength, ultra high frequency microscope out.

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby slimmouse » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:56 pm

slimmouse wrote:
JackRiddler wrote:Anyway, I should have stopped back on page 1 with this:

JackRiddler wrote:SNIP

I'm happy to say, "the pro-Israeli lobby in the United States." That's what AIPAC and ADL are. Demystify them, describe what they do soberly, and you sap them of their power.

.

(Alternately as we've seen you can always just take the Protocols II approach.)


The pro Israeli lobby ??? What ??? How very dare you, dont you know how antisemitic that is ?

Want a few articles on that Jack. Ive no doubt I can find you a few, even courtesy of my limited google searches these days. I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit, that the legendary bastions of free speech that infest the MSM, the Dershowitzes, Aaranovitches, and a further host of the grossest liars your dollar can buy will have that one covered.

I can only assume they do this stuff cos their very clever, but highly immoral ? I guess thats your take on it, right ?

Nothing to do with a subconscious brainwashing which strips them of any real self respect or compassion ? I call them Dupes, stooges, and all the rest of it because when I look at that peice of rock in the Desert, and the ongoing injustice and suffering which these people front for, I can only conclude that they clearly are not in their right mind by any real measure of the term.

This is the Israel project in action. Regrettably, and obviously unlike like you and AD, I havent spent years looking behind the scenes at the genesis of this monstrousity, but I do know someone that has, and Ive no doubt you wont be surprised to hear that I would trust his analysis over your own anyday. But you see, you cant go there, cos were probably going to get a cartoon show from the painstakingly meticulous AD in a minute explaining how this is all simply nuts ( talk about employing an intelligent community such as this fiddling while Rome fucking burns) .

That why I say what I say. Its the 0.000001% in action. Splash the lucre around, talk some pseudo religious claptrap, and throw in the freedom card, and bingo. The few cant control the many ? Piece of cake. It ALWAYS is, and you know that as well as most. In fact if I recall correctly you even said it yourself once over. I guess we just differ on who the said faceless control freaks are.

Im awating my list of safe sources for criticism of Israel. Ive got my AD style superstrength, ultra high frequency microscope out.

Carry on.


On edit, you might care to take a quick listen to that video of the Dastardly Antisemitic Neo Nazi, reptillian shapeshifting lunatic Mr Icke that SLAD posted. unfortuneately not a reptoid in the picture, but more humility compassion and common than youre average "sane" guy.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:04 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:Evidence of the Israeli government directing AIPAC today is self-evident as Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu crank AIPAC’s handles to winch themselves uninvited into U.S. election-year politics. It only remains to be seen whether sufficient numbers of concerned Americans will angrily rise from the sidelines to confront AIPAC before its foreign principals maneuver America into a disastrous war for Israel.


In only a few days, beginning on March 4, Americans will be treated to the cringe-worthy spectacle of their Commander-in-Chief and other presidential candidates competing with each other to debase themselves before AIPAC, only interrupting their pledges of undying, passionate, unconditional allegiance to the zionist state to promise even more generous gifts of money and weapons and to threaten countries on Israel's hit-list.

Unlike other campaign promises, made to the American people, you can take these to the bank -- thus demonstrating that the candidates, at least, know to whom they're really accountable.


Where does the money that the US sends Israel at the moment - grants / loans / AIPAC collections actually go, specifically?


General Butthead McBeavis (USAF rtd) on the Board of Boing Aircraft Corp is lobbying for development of the the F-999 'Annunaki' fighter.
Ariyeh Sharon at AIPAC then calls the President and tells him Israel needs the fighter - and if he doesnt agree, he will have the blood of ten thousand murdered Israelis on his hands.
The President calls in his Chief of Staff, who volunteered for the Israeli army and who shrugs and says "Well, Ariyeh is right"
President Smile E Coyote says "Well McBeavis will be a good asset and a possible SecDef, so lets keep him onside. OK Do the usual revolving 1Billion credit facilty for the IAF."
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:07 pm

slimmouse wrote: On edit, you might care to take a quick listen to that video of the Dastardly Antisemitic Neo Nazi, reptillian shapeshifting lunatic Mr Icke that SLAD posted. unfortuneately not a reptoid in the picture, but more humility compassion and common than youre average "sane" guy.

Like this one?



A few verifiable facts are mixed in a soup of dubious assertions
that we're supposed to believe, why?

Because David Icke- The Messiah- said so?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:31 pm

The world is chocked full of land stealing, baby killing, genocidal reptiles and the folks who sit back reap the rewards, a blind eye to it all....holocaust deniers

but it seems I can not find a word for the haters of the Native Americans, Congolese, Armenians, Kurds, Irish, Haitians, Guatemalans, Rwandans, Sudanese, people of Darfur........anti-semite doesn't seem to fit...where is their lobby? where is their AIPAC? to read every word on the net, every word in print to protect their place in history, to keep alive their horrific story? Surely not the NYT, Washington Post?

Now you tell me, who's more dangerous? What links are more "reliable" The one's that continue the myths by omission? Give me a word for the haters of Native Americans..the deniers of their slaughter, the people that live on stolen land...you know like the ones who wrote the history books I read in grade school.

give me a word for the reptiles of the world AD, please? I call them vampyres, reptiles but if you have a better choice I'll consider it.

jah sent i and i to ketch vampyre

i and i know vampyre

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:33 pm

American Dream wrote:
A few verifiable facts are mixed in a soup of dubious assertions
that we're supposed to believe, why?


sounds like the M$M to me :)
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby American Dream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:39 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:The world is chocked full of land stealing, baby killing, genocidal reptiles and the folks who sit back reap the rewards, a blind eye to it all....holocaust deniers

but it seems I can not find a word for the haters of the Native Americans, Congolese, Armenians, Kurds, Irish, Haitians, Guatemalans, Rwandans, Sudanese, people of Darfur........anti-semite doesn't seem to fit...where is their lobby? where is their AIPAC? to read every word on the net, every word in print to protect their place in history, to keep alive their horrific story? Surely not the NYT, Washington Post?

Now you tell me, who's more dangerous? What links are more "reliable" The one's that continue the myths by omission? Give me a word for the haters of Native Americans..the deniers of their slaughter, the people that live on stolen land...you know like the ones who wrote the history books I read in grade school.

give me a word for the reptiles of the world AD, please? I call them vampyres, reptiles but if you have a better choice I'll consider it.

jah sent i and i to ketch vampyre

i and i know vampyre



Your logic is still not completely clear:


Why is it completely ok with the anointed ones to post link after link after link that denies the holocaust of millions...

Is the reason that they just do not deny the political correct ethnic group?


this statement was not intended to include Jeff or the mods
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:02 pm

NEWS FLASH........Israel has at least 150 atomic weapons in its arsenal AND the U.S. Press in it's pocket.......David Icke - Youtube Channel and a website :shock2: PEOPLE OF THE EARTH WHO DO YOU FEAR MORE?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:04 pm

I would just like to assert that I am actually storming the Original Post with the focus that the Mongol Hordes brought when we invaded Ryazan in 1238.

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Anyone know about USGOV - Israel funding loops?

What about Israel - US media industry exchanges?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Project Willow » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:45 pm

*Tiptoes in, ducking*

Meanwhile, in my inbox, from Chris Hedges and Code Pink...

February 28, 2012

Dear Lynn,

President Obama: No War on Iran!
Sign the petition

Occupy AIPAC Summit
Saturday, March 3
Register now!

No War on Iran Protest
Protest outside the AIPAC Conference
Sunday, March 4, 11am 



Read 10 Reasons Why the Israel Lobby is So Dangerous
By Medea Benjamin

Washington, DC
http://www.occupyaipac.org



I invite you to join me at the Occupy AIPAC Summit in Washington this weekend.

I spent seven years in the Middle East. I lived for two of those seven years in Jerusalem. I was the Middle East Bureau Chief for the New York Times. AIPAC does not speak for Jews or for Israel. It speaks for right-wing ideologues who believe that because they have capacity to wage war, they have a right to wage war.

And just as these elites were too blind and too enamored of their own rhetoric to see what invading Iraq would trigger, so too are they unable to comprehend the regional conflagration that would be unleashed by attacking Iran.

The uprisings from Tunisia to Egypt to Greece to Occupy Wall Street to our gathering outside AIPAC's doors in Washington are all the same primal struggle for justice.

The battle for justice in Middle East is our battle. It is part of the vast, global battle against the 1 percent. It is a battle against the fossil fuel industry, the weapons manufacturers, the security and surveillance state, the misuse of public funds that wastes $ 4 trillion on wars that never had to be fought, the trillions more in looted taxpayer money to prop up insolvent banks and swell bloated military budgets, the battle to protect working men and women who are left struggling in the name of "austerity" to save their homes and find work.

Join us at Occupy AIPAC this weekend. Help us make the voices of the 99 percent—the voices of mothers, fathers and children in the squalid refugee camps in Gaza, in the suburbs of Tehran and in the bleak industrial wastelands in Ohio—heard.

Yours,
Chris Hedges

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