Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

[Bruce Dazzling]

Icke believes that the Rothschilds are one facet of the spider. And since his books if anyone dare read them anymore, (given the AD cartoon show), are chocked full of evidence to support this claim based on years of research, then I aint gonna argue.

I did actually write about that. But deleted it, since in a five minute video its impossible to mention the years of facts and research in his books which lead Icke to reach those conclusions, and which by all apparent standards is off topic. Which is proabably why you went there.

Since Icke keeps coming up, I'd like to propose a little exercise:

I'm going to pick one conclusion that he presented in this video and I'd like you, slimmouse, to cite his source (from one of his books that you've mentioned) that backs it up.

"This hand, called The house of Rothschild, takes the money from the United States and hands it to this hand, called Israel of the House of Rothschild and says thank you very much."

That's it. Just show me the source Icke uses to validate the above statement.

OK bruce. You show me who hands over the money and who recieves it, and what form it takes ?. Show me how these decisions to hand over the money are arrived at, and who funds those making the decisions ?

I can offer you all the evidence you like for what happens to those who dont approve it. Thats as much proof as I need.

IM sure we can distill it down with your help.

And if you cant be arsed with all of that, dont complain at what Icke has written about for years, based on years of research, without reading some first.

I have a pretty good Idea how it works, and Ive got a pretty good Idea Ickes on the money.

AD or Icke LOL !!!

You seem to be the one who "can't be arsed," slimmouse.

I asked you one simple question. All you needed to do was to produce one source backing up one of Icke's claims from the video. I even narrowed it down for you by picking one of the claims, and amazingly, you seem to think that being rude and claiming that you and Icke have "a pretty good idea how it works" is a sufficient answer.

I don't need to be arsed, as I'm not making any claims. It's not my job to prove a negative, it's your job (and Icke's) to prove a positive, and in this case, you and Icke need to support this claim:

"This hand, called The house of Rothschild, takes the money from the United States and hands it to this hand, called Israel of the House of Rothschild and says thank you very much."

If you can't back up the claim with a source, then maybe you should rethink the claim instead of getting pissy with me. This is research 101.

Edited to add a colon.

[seemslikeadream]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...


but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

[American Dream]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...


but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

Bruce Dazzling is a mod...

[slimmouse]

If you can't back up the claim with a source, then maybe you should rethink the claim instead of getting pissy with me. This is research 101.

Im confused as to what you mean by a source ?

Where did he get that quote from ? Or why is he saying what he's saying ?

If its the latter then you need to read his books, having done the simple exercise of asking how a slither of land in the Middle East has suddenly transformed into the most important place on earth for so many in the West.

What should we call them Bruce, staying as you as a mod should insist , on topic ?

No vague labels. They just deflect the argument. Name a few names. We need to get to the crux of this PDQ wouldnt you agree ?

[seemslikeadream]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...


but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

Bruce Dazzling is a mod...

I fuckin know that and I fuckin know he is the one who demanded to stay on topic or the thread would be locked

[eyeno]

eyeno,

Here are two of the board's posting guidelines:

The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and poisons and often ends meaningful discussion. Therefore suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted.

Please refrain from personal attacks, and keep arguments issue-based.

While accusing a poster of being a web bot isn't specifically mentioned, I'm going to say that it falls under both of the above guidelines, in that the charge is unprovable, while also moving the conversation away from the issue-based dialogue that we strive for here at RI.

This is an official warning to not do it again.

If you do it again, your account will be suspended.

I apologize Bruce. I did not intend to break the rules. I won't push this line of thought. I promise I won't do it again.

This thread obviously is not my bag because I am not continually actively participating in it. The reason I thought this up in the first place is because of the patterns I see in keywords.

In my defense, if permitted, I would like to briefly explain why I breached the subject in the first place.

For instance I brought up the subject of web bots which are a form of intelligence that are not human. As if by magic we now have an article named "Not Quite "Ordinary Human Beings" --Anti-Imperialism and the Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmon."

I keep seeing these things and it trips me out. When I saw the Finklestein support my jaw dropped and I wondered, "did a bot mistakenly pull the wrong data from a bank of data?"

I won't say another word about it but I did want to explain why I brought it up in the first place. I was not trying to be an asshole snark, I was serious.

I respect your decision and I will abide by it. I now go back to the balcony and watch the more active participants. Please forgive my intrusion.

[Bruce Dazzling]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...

but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

I believe that establishing the credibility of Icke and slimmouse is useful to this thread's health, slad.

If you can't back up the claim with a source, then maybe you should rethink the claim instead of getting pissy with me. This is research 101.

Im confused as to what you mean by a source ?

Where did he get that quote from ? Or why is he saying what he's saying ?

It's one thing to simply say that the House of Rothschild is funneling money from the United States to Israel. Icke can say it, you (slimmouse) can say it, hell, I could even say it, but my question is this:

What is Icke's proof that this is the case? Has he ever offered any hard evidence to back up this contention? Has he ever outlined the mechanism for this financial transfer? Has he ever linked to anyone else who has ever outlined it? Do any of his books cite any sources (these could be found in the book's footnotes, if there are any) for this contention?

In order to be taken seriously, Icke's claims need to be supported by verifiable sources, or, if as you've indicated, HE is the source, then he needs to explain how it is that he knows this is the case. Otherwise, it's just some guy saying stuff.

You've mentioned Icke's books multiple times, so I'm assuming that you have at least one in your possession. This brings me back to my original request, which I will repeat. Please have a look through the book(s), especially at the footnotes, and tell me how Icke supports this very specific claim about a very specific family:

"This hand, called The house of Rothschild, takes the money from the United States and hands it to this hand, called Israel of the House of Rothschild and says thank you very much."

Failing that, show me where Icke has ever outline the mechanism by which that financial transfer takes place.

If you can't do either of those things, then as I said before, you really might want to rethink the claim, which may lead you to rethink all of the claims that Icke makes in that video.

[American Dream]

For instance I brought up the subject of web bots which are a form of intelligence that are not human. As if by magic we now have an article named "Not Quite "Ordinary Human Beings" --Anti-Imperialism and the Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmon."

I keep seeing these things and it trips me out. When I saw the Finklestein support my jaw dropped and I wondered, "did a bot mistakenly pull the wrong data from a bank of data?"

[seemslikeadream]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...

but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

I believe that establishing the credibility of Icke and slimmouse is useful to this thread's health, slad.

When is that usefulness beaten to death?

What did you mean here? I guess I took it wrong

and I believe cuda threatened to lock it also

and remember the OP title that I thought we were supposed to get back to Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up



If the next post isn't on topic this thread will be headed to the fire pit

[Bruce Dazzling]

stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...

but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?

I believe that establishing the credibility of Icke and slimmouse is useful to this thread's health, slad.

When is that usefulness beaten to death?

What did you mean here? I guess I took it wrong

and I believe cuda threatened to lock it also

and remember the OP title that I thought we were supposed to get back to Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up



If the next post isn't on topic this thread will be headed to the fire pit

It seems to me that slimmouse's position on this issue is colored to a great extent by the teachings of Icke, and since slim is one of the main posters on this topic, I believe that it's in our best interests to analyze Icke's claims. I've given slim a tremendous opportunity to validate the claims upon which his beliefs are built. In this way, we ARE staying on topic.

But I do realize that it's becoming a broken record due to slim's refusal to directly address my simple question. Therefore, if my question doesn't receive a direct answer, I will just assume that it's because slim is unable to validate Icke's assertion about the House of Rothschild, and we can all move on.

[seemslikeadream]

just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

[American Dream]

just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

It all started when slim suggested what they thought was the good alternative to "Israel Firster's": "How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ?"

This is garbage- as we have seen with the recent quest for evidence- and clearly slim is deeply influenced by Icke.

[seemslikeadream]

just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

It all started when slim suggested what they thought was the good alternative to "Israel Firster's": "How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ?"

This is garbage- as we have seen with the recent quest for evidence- and clearly slim is deeply influenced by Icke.

again you are the one that introduced Icke's name into this thread....you are the one responsible for every reply to YOUR introduction.......you are the one that went off topic with the bait

[American Dream]

just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

It all started when slim suggested what they thought was the good alternative to "Israel Firster's": "How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ?"

This is garbage- as we have seen with the recent quest for evidence- and clearly slim is deeply influenced by Icke.

again you are the one that introduced Icke's name into this thread....you are the one responsible for every reply to YOUR introduction.......you are the one that went off topic with the bait

I would say that the discussion was very relevant- that it showed that Icke is an influence on surprising number of posters here, who then weigh in with not very thoughtful positions on Israel/Palestine.

It is astounding to me the number of people who essentially ignore the rat poison in the mix...

I honestly think we can do better than that.

[seemslikeadream]

just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

It all started when slim suggested what they thought was the good alternative to "Israel Firster's": "How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ?"

This is garbage- as we have seen with the recent quest for evidence- and clearly slim is deeply influenced by Icke.

again you are the one that introduced Icke's name into this thread....you are the one responsible for every reply to YOUR introduction.......you are the one that went off topic with the bait

I would say that the discussion was very relevant- that it showed that Icke is an influence on surprising number of posters here, who then weigh in with not very thoughtful positions on Israel/Palestine.

It is astounding to me the number of people who essentially ignore the rat poison in the mix...

I honestly think we can do better than that.

Icke is small potatos to me and I can not understand your obsession with him .......The American people are the biggest holocaust deniers on the planet and have done the greatest harm to the planet so why are you so in denial?