Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:18 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
American Dream wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:just remember who injected David Icke's name into this thread first.... AD. He is to blame for all of this crap...cause if he hadn't posted it it would have never come up....and I believe he did it on purpose. We didn't need to discuss Icke but AD and AD alone opened the gate

It all started when slim suggested what they thought was the good alternative to "Israel Firster's": "How about Red Shield stooges ? Or maybe Bauerites ?"

This is garbage- as we have seen with the recent quest for evidence- and clearly slim is deeply influenced by Icke.



again you are the one that introduced Icke's name into this thread....you are the one responsible for every reply to YOUR introduction.......you are the one that went off topic with the bait


AD is correct, slad.

Slimmouse's suggestions of "Red Shield stooges" and "Bauerites" created the path towards Icke, and slim certainly hasn't backed away from any of it since being challenged. In fact, I'd say that he(?)'s dug in his heels and embraced the Icke perspective even more every time he's been asked to provide sources for it, which again, is important because it seems to inform his own positions to a great extent.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:24 pm

no I am correct AD was the first to mention Icke and that is the truth and it should have stopped there...but it didn't ....it was off topic and the thread should have been locked right there and then or a warning to stop
AD is free to post his David Icke thread instead of ruining this one which he has totally done.
I repeat

to AD

Icke is small potatos to me and I can not understand your obsession with him .......The American people are the biggest holocaust deniers on the planet and have done the greatest harm to the planet so why are you so in denial?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:35 pm

I'm sick of Icke already, even before having read anything by him!!!!! For one thing, I don't understand why he takes up so much space in this thread, when those who keep bringing him up don't even bother to quote him, to demonstrate why they find him such a valuable, informative source. The mention of his name is like some kind of lure being used to sabotage this thread, and people keep going for it (that means you, slimmouse, and you, slad!) Stop it. Stop it now.

Anyway.

:backtotopic:

barracuda wrote:Is it possible in this context to support Israel as a geo-political entity without being considered a zionist or zionist enabler? This goes back to the basic question of whether or not Israel ought to exist at all, in any form, a question which I doubt many here would be interested in addressing sincerely, fraught as it is with just the semantic landmines that AIPAC, et al. depend upon for their suppression of discussion.


I'll address it as sincerely (and succinctly) as I can. To your first question, the clear answer is no. Israel is the geo-political embodiment of zionism -- zionism is the idea, or the plan, Israel is the actualization of that plan.

Like Nazism, zionism is inherently immoral. It posits superior territorial and other "rights" for one category of persons, Jews, at the expense of others.

Zionism is a colonial, racist ideology that in effect justifies armed robbery, ethnic cleansing and racist oppression for the purpose of establishing and expanding the Jewish state in lands that legally belong to non-Jews. Israel is a colonial, racist state that practices armed robbery, ethnic cleansing and racist oppression against Palestine's non-Jewish population in order to exist.

Which brings us to your second question. Even if we could coldly dismiss the past atrocities and other crimes against millions of Palestinians, and simply consign them to hell, and decide that it doesn't matter if those who systematically terrorized, massacred, robbed and herded them like animals into refugee limbo should continue to profit from their crimes, another problem would remain: how many more people are you prepared to sacrifice as the price for Israel's continued existence?

Because that's the question. How many more lives are you prepared to consign to hell? For Israel's leaders and strategists, the answer is: whatever it takes to preserve Jewish dominance over Palestine. Even when they don't spell it out, their actions are loud and clear. But many do spell it out. As the Israeli geostrategist and former adviser to Ariel Sharon, Haifa University professor Arnon Soffer, put it: ""When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it's going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It's going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day."

Israel, the Jewish State, is predicated on a decisive and stable Jewish majority of at least 70 percent. Any lower than that and Israel will have to decide between being a Jewish state and a democratic state. If it chooses democracy, then Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. If it remains officially Jewish, then the state will face an unprecedented level of international isolation, including sanctions, that might prove fatal.
-Michael B. Oren, Israeli Ambassador to the United States


Hard retentionists know they will have to rewrite the rules of democracy, and plead a special exemption clause for "Jewish democracy" and for the elevation of Jewish-only rights. Palestinians are to be dehumanized, human and civil rights groups and international humanitarian law excoriated and a vocabulary created for laundering and justifying an apartheid reality.
-Daniel Levy, political analyst & lead Israeli drafter of the Geneva Accord


Palestinians have been so dehumanised by Israeli Jews – whether politicians, soldiers or ordinary citizens – that killing them comes naturally, as did expelling them in 1948, or imprisoning them in the Occupied Territories. The current Western response indicates that its political leaders fail to see the direct connection between the Zionist dehumanisation of the Palestinians and Israel’s barbarous policies in Gaza.
- Ilan Pappe, Historian and Author


Yitzhak Laor, Israeli poet and author, explains:

...Israel is engaged in a long war of annihilation against Palestinian society. The objective is to destroy the Palestinian nation and drive it back into pre-modern groupings based on the tribe, the clan and the enclave. This is the last phase of the Zionist colonial mission, culminating in inaccessible townships, camps, villages, districts, all of them to be walled or fenced off, and patrolled by a powerful army which, in the absence of a proper military objective, is really an over-equipped police force, with F16s, Apaches, tanks, artillery, commando units and hi-tech surveillance at its disposal.

The extent of the cruelty, the lack of shame and the refusal of self-restraint are striking, both in anthropological terms and historically. The worldwide Jewish support for this vandal offensive makes one wonder if this isn’t the moment Zionism is taking over the Jewish people.

But the real issue is that since 1991, and even more since the Oslo agreements in 1993, Israel has played on the idea that it really is trading land for peace, while the truth is very different. Israel has not given up the territories, but cantonised and blockaded them. The new strategy is to confine the Palestinians: they do not belong in our space, they are to remain out of sight, packed into their townships and camps, or swelling our prisons. This project now has the support of most of the Israeli press and academics.

We are the masters. We work and travel. They can make their living by policing their own people. We drive on the highways. They must live across the hills. The hills are ours. So are the fences. We control the roads, and the checkpoints and the borders. We control their electricity, their water, their milk, their oil, their wheat and their gasoline. If they protest peacefully we fire tear gas at them. If they throw stones, we fire bullets. If they launch a rocket, we destroy a house and its inhabitants. If they launch a missile, we destroy families, neighbourhoods, streets, towns.

Israel doesn’t want a Palestinian state alongside it. It is willing to prove this with hundreds of dead and thousands of disabled, in a single ‘operation’. The message is always the same: leave or remain in subjugation, under our military dictatorship. We are a democracy. We have decided democratically that you will live like dogs.

On 27 December just before the bombs started falling on Gaza, the Zionist parties, from Meretz to Yisrael Beiteinu, were unanimously in favour of the attack. As usual – it’s the ritual again – differences emerged only over the dispatch of blankets and medication to Gaza. Our most fervent pro-war columnist, Ari Shavit, has suggested that Israel should go on with the assault and build a hospital for the victims. The enemy is wounded, bleeding, dying, desperate for help. Link


So, given the fact that "Israel" is defined as a Judeo-supremacist state in Palestine, then my answer (and the answer of any well-informed, decent person) is a resounding no.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:41 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:I'm sick of Icke already, even before having read anything by him!!!!! For one thing, I don't understand why he takes up so much space in this thread, when those who keep bringing him up don't even bother to quote him, to demonstrate why they find him such a valuable, informative source. The mention of his name is like some kind of lure being used to sabotage this thread, and people keep going for it (that means you, slimmouse, and you, slad!) Stop it. Stop it now.



I tried that Alice but Bruce is the one that kept it up after he warned people to stop ...he continued it
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:00 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
AlicetheKurious wrote:I'm sick of Icke already, even before having read anything by him!!!!! For one thing, I don't understand why he takes up so much space in this thread, when those who keep bringing him up don't even bother to quote him, to demonstrate why they find him such a valuable, informative source. The mention of his name is like some kind of lure being used to sabotage this thread, and people keep going for it (that means you, slimmouse, and you, slad!) Stop it. Stop it now.


I tried that Alice but Bruce is the one that kept it up after he warned people to stop ...he continued it


I threatened to lock the thread if posters continued to make personal attacks and post off topic.

I never threatened to lock the thread if people continued to post about Icke.

In fact, I explained here why Icke is ON TOPIC.

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:stop with the fuckin Icke shit....I thought a mod posted awhile back not to post Icke...get back to topic...

but that is not happening....why? Does someone here want this thread locked?


I believe that establishing the credibility of Icke and slimmouse is useful to this thread's health, slad.

slimmouse wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote:
If you can't back up the claim with a source, then maybe you should rethink the claim instead of getting pissy with me. This is research 101.



Im confused as to what you mean by a source ?

Where did he get that quote from ? Or why is he saying what he's saying ?


It's one thing to simply say that the House of Rothschild is funneling money from the United States to Israel. Icke can say it, you (slimmouse) can say it, hell, I could even say it, but my question is this:

What is Icke's proof that this is the case? Has he ever offered any hard evidence to back up this contention? Has he ever outlined the mechanism for this financial transfer? Has he ever linked to anyone else who has ever outlined it? Do any of his books cite any sources (these could be found in the book's footnotes, if there are any) for this contention?

In order to be taken seriously, Icke's claims need to be supported by verifiable sources, or, if as you've indicated, HE is the source, then he needs to explain how it is that he knows this is the case. Otherwise, it's just some guy saying stuff.

You've mentioned Icke's books multiple times, so I'm assuming that you have at least one in your possession. This brings me back to my original request, which I will repeat. Please have a look through the book(s), especially at the footnotes, and tell me how Icke supports this very specific claim about a very specific family:

"This hand, called The house of Rothschild, takes the money from the United States and hands it to this hand, called Israel of the House of Rothschild and says thank you very much."


Failing that, show me where Icke has ever outline the mechanism by which that financial transfer takes place.

If you can't do either of those things, then as I said before, you really might want to rethink the claim, which may lead you to rethink all of the claims that Icke makes in that video.


I also said this...

But I do realize that it's becoming a broken record due to slim's refusal to directly address my simple question. Therefore, if my question doesn't receive a direct answer, I will just assume that it's because slim is unable to validate Icke's assertion about the House of Rothschild, and we can all move on.


...which elicited a flurry of posts by you, slad, arguing even more about who injected Icke's name into the thread, further disrupting my attempt to get things back on track.

Thankfully, Alice broke through the noise with a great contribution, so I'll say it one more time: if my question to slimmouse doesn't receive a direct answer, I will just assume that it's because slim is unable to validate Icke's assertion about the House of Rothschild, and we can all move on.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:18 pm

10 Ways AIPAC Undermines Democracy at Home and in the Middle East
AIPAC has tremendous clout but its influence has been disastrous for U.S. foreign policy and U.S. democracy. Here are ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous.
February 29, 2012 |

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the most powerful lobby organizations in the country. On March 4-6, AIPAC will be holding its annual policy conference in Washington DC. The speakers include Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, U.S. President Barack Obama, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, Republican candidate Newt Gingrich and a host of other powerful politicians.

AIPAC has tremendous clout but its influence has been disastrous for U.S. foreign policy and U.S. democracy. Here are ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous.

1. AIPAC is lobbying Congress to promote a military confrontation with Iran. AIPAC – like the Israeli government – is demanding that the U.S. attack Iran militarily to prevent Iran from having the technological capacity to produce nuclear weapons, even though U.S. officials say Iran isn’t trying to build a weapon (and even though Israel has hundreds of undeclared nuclear weapons). AIPAC has successfully lobbied the U.S. government to adopt crippling economic sanctions on Iran, including trying to cut off Iran’s oil exports, despite the fact that these sanctions raise the price of gas and threaten the U.S. economy.

2. AIPAC promotes Israeli policies that are in direct opposition to international law. These include the establishment of colonies (settlements) in the Occupied West Bank and the confiscation of Palestinian land in its construction of the 26-foot high concrete “separation barrier” running through the West Bank. The support of these illegal practices makes to impossible to achieve a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

3. AIPAC’s call for unconditional support for the Israeli government threatens our national security. The United States’ one-sided support of Israel, demanded by AIPAC, has significantly increased anti-American sentiment throughout the Middle East, thus endangering our troops and sowing the seeds of more possible terrorist attacks against us. Gen. David Petraeus on March 16, 2010 admitted that the U.S./Palestine conflict “foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel.” He also said that “Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support.”

4. AIPAC undermines American support for democracy movements in the Arab world. AIPAC looks at the entire Arab world through the lens of Israeli government interests, not the democratic aspirations of the Arab people. It has therefore supported corrupt, repressive regimes that are friendly to the Israeli government, such as Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak. Events now unfolding in the Middle East should convince U.S. policy-makers of the need to break from AIPAC’s grip and instead support democratic forces in the Arab world.

5. AIPAC makes the U.S. a pariah at the UN. AIPAC describes the UN as a body hostile to the State of Israel and has pressured the U.S. government to oppose resolutions calling Israel to account. Since 1972, the US has vetoed 44 UN Security Council resolutions condemning Israel’s actions against the Palestinians. President Obama continues that policy. Under Obama, the US vetoed UN censure of the savage Israeli assault on Gaza in January 2009 in which about 1400 Palestinians were killed; a 2011 resolution calling for a halt to the illegal Israeli West Bank settlements even though this was stated U.S. policy; a 2011 resolution calling for Israel to cease obstructing the work of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees; and another resolution calling for an end to illegal Israeli settlement building in East Jerusalem and the occupied Golan Heights.

6. AIPAC attacks politicians who question unconditional support of Israel. AIPAC demands that Congress to rubber stamp legislation drafted by AIPAC staff. It keeps a record of how members of Congress vote and this record is used by donors to make contributions to the politicians who score well. Members of Congress who fail to support AIPAC legislation have been targeted for defeat in re-election bids. These include Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, and Earl F. Hilliard. AIPAC’s overwhelmingly disproportionate influence on Congress subverts our democratic system.

7. AIPAC attempts to silence all criticism of Israel by labeling critics as “anti-Semitic,” “de-legitimizers” or “self-hating Jews.” Journalists, think tanks, students and professors have been accused of anti-Semitism for merely taking stands critical of Israeli government policies. These attacks stifle the critical discussions and debates that are at the heart of democratic policy-making. The recent attacks on staffers at the Center for American Progress is but one example of AIPAC efforts to crush all dissent.

8. AIPAC feeds U.S. government officials a distorted view of the Israel/Palestine conflict. AIPAC takes U.S. representatives on sugar-coated trips to Israel. In 2011, AIPAC took one out of very five members of Congress—and many of their spouses—on a free junket to Israel to see precisely what the Israeli government wanted them to see. It is illegal for lobby groups to take Congresspeople on trips, but AIPAC gets around the law by creating a bogus educational group, AIEF, to “organize” the trips for them. AIEF has the same office address as AIPAC and the same staff. These trips help cement the ties between AIPAC and Congress, furthering their undue influence.

9. AIPAC lobbies for billions of U.S. taxdollars to go to Israel instead of rebuilding America. While our country is reeling from a prolonged financial crisis, AIPAC is pushing for no cuts in military funds for Israel, a wealthy nation. With communities across the nation slashing budgets for teachers, firefighters and police, AIPAC pushes for over $3 billion a year to Israel.

10. Money to Israel takes funds from world’s poor. Israel has the 24th largest economy in the world, but thanks to AIPAC, it gets more U.S. taxdollars than any other country. At a time when the foreign aid budget is being slashed, keeping the lion’s share of foreign assistance for Israel meaning taking funds from critical programs to feed, provide shelter and offer emergency assistance to the world’s poorest people.

The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has influence on U.S. policy out of all proportion to the number of Americans who support its policies. When a small group like this has disproportionate power, that hurts everyone—including Israelis and American Jews.

From stopping a catastrophic war with Iran to finally solving the Israel/Palestine conflict, an essential starting point is breaking AIPAC’s grip on U.S. policy.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:24 pm

Isaiah L. Kenen: Foreign Agent to Founder of AIPAC

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In the late 1940's, Isaiah L. "Si" Kenen was instrumental in lobbying the US Congress, administration, and United Nations for the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine. In 1948 he moved from Israel's UN delegation to start the "Israel Office of Information" on behalf of the Israeli Embassy and Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Kenen had to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) with the US Department of Justice. In his biography "Israel's Defense Line", Kenen revealed that he began planning to break free of FARA oversight in coordination with the Israeli government in late 1950:

"Israelis began looking for a lobbyist to promote the necessary legislation…would I leave the Israeli delegation for six months to lobby on Capitol Hill? There were other questions. Should I continue my registration as an agent of the Israel government? Was it appropriate for an embassy to lobby? Embassies talked to the State Department, and American voters talked to their congressmen."

Kenen left the Israel Office of Information to lobby for the American Zionist Council and later became chairman of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee known as AIPAC.


Mossad Chief Set AIPAC Founder's First Public Relations Priorities -- Declassified FBI Files
By Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
Posted: 10:27am on Feb 28, 2012; Modified: 10:32am on Feb 28, 2012

WASHINGTON, FEB. 28, 2012 — /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Declassified FBI files reveal details of the founder of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC) early coordination with the head of Mossad and the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs. The 198-page file, released under the Freedom of Information Act to the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep), is now on the Internet at: http://www.IRmep.org/ila/kenen

According to the FBI, on July 18, 1949 Mossad founder Reuven Shiloah and Foreign Minister Moshe Sharett ordered AIPAC founder Isaiah L. Kenen to implement urgent public relations strategies to boost Israel's economic and military might. At that time Kenen directed the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affair's Israel Office of Information (IOI) in New York which was tasked with receiving encrypted cables from Israel for decoding and placement into prominent U.S. print publications such as Reader's Digest and Cosmopolitan. According to the formerly secret FBI report, IOI established a network of such offices.

Under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) Kenen and other Americans working at IOI's were required to disclose foreign funding and guidance. All IOI circulated propaganda had to display mandatory foreign-agent declaration stamps of origin from the Israeli government. The IOI was cited several times by the Justice Department for circulating undeclared propaganda.

Under growing law enforcement crackdowns, Kenen negotiated his departure from the IOI in 1951 according to his autobiography. "Israelis began looking for a lobbyist to promote the necessary legislation … would I leave the Israeli delegation for six months to lobby on Capitol Hill? There were other questions. Should I continue my registration as an agent of the Israel government? Was it appropriate for an embassy to lobby? Embassies talked to the State Department, and American voters talked to their congressmen."

Kenen founded and grew AIPAC amidst ongoing 1950s-1970s clashes with the U.S. Department of Justice over new FARA orders and illicit use of foreign funding in U.S. lobbying. AIPAC was later investigated by the FBI over theft of classified government property and for circulating classified U.S. national defense and confidential business information. As AIPAC grew IOI's became redundant and eventually closed down.

Today AIPAC faces growing demands that it be re-registered under FARA and disclose activities coordinated by the Israeli government. AIPAC is currently lobbying for a lower and more ambiguous threshold of "nuclear capability" as the trigger for a U.S. attack on Iran.

SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:30 pm

Only three more days until the AIPAC convention. No doubt the aspiring presidential candidates are already sweating bullets and getting last-minute fittings for their knee-pads. It should be quite a show.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:36 pm

with bells on


Romney to Join Gingrich, Santorum in Addressing AIPAC
Romney and Santorum have both confirmed that they will join Gingrich in addressing the annual AIPAC policy conference, on March 6.
By Rachel Hirshfeld
First Publish: 2/29/2012, 3:55 PM

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum both confirmed, on Tuesday, that they will join former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Newt Gingrich in addressing the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) policy conference, on March 6.

The Republican hopefuls will address the estimated 13,000 attendees of the pro-Israel lobby, vying for the Jewish vote on Super Tuesday, the day that bears a tremendous amount of weight on the outcome of the primaries.

President Obama is scheduled to address the crowd on March 4, one day before his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House. Leon Panetta, the U.S. Secretary of Defense is also scheduled to speak.

In the past, AIPAC refrained from giving the podium to presidential nominees, but changed its policy due to complaints made by 2004 Democratic candidate John Kerry.

Romney, Gingrich and Santorum have all announced their commitment to ensuring the safety and security of the State of Israel.

Romney has criticized President Obama for throwing “Israel under the bus” and suggested there should not be “an inch of difference" between the U.S. and Israel. His website says he “will reject any measure that would frustrate direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.”

Gingrich announced that the Palestinians are an “invented” people, but later clarified that he supports a negotiated Palestinian state. He also said that he would move the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

Rep. Ron Paul was not invited to speak at the conference. :P


and these guys are coming too
Pro-Israel lobby to bring student presidents to capital conference
February 27, 2012 by Haley Etchison
Political group to fund CSUN, GPSA leaders’ travel to Washington D.C.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is paying to bring UNLV’s graduate and undergraduate student body presidents to its annual policy conference in Washington, D.C.
AIPAC senior national field organizer Michael Citron said that the organization does not take press requests, and refused to answer questions about AIPAC’s goals in engaging with student leaders.
But AIPAC’s website states that students are key to its goal of establishing pro-Israel U.S. policy.
“AIPAC believes the key to securing the U.S.-Israel alliance in the future is to educate student leaders today,” the site states. “AIPAC’s Leadership Development Department empowers students to be confident advocates for Israel — both on campus and beyond.”
UNLV undergraduate student body president Sarah Saenz and graduate and professional student body president Michael Gordon will attend the AIPAC Policy Conference in March 4-6.
Saenz attended the conference event last year. She said in an email that she did not participate in lobbying efforts in 2011 because she did not feel she knew enough about the issues to talk with legislators.
“This year, I will probably do the same and skip on that portion,” she stated, “because I am not there to lobby, I am there as a guest to learn, listen and ask questions.”
Gordon said that he has a similar motivation for attending the conference. He said that when AIPAC approached him with the opportunity, he consulted Saenz, who said that the conference was informative and could be beneficial.
“It’s not just one side even though it looks that way,” Gordon said. “It is a balanced debate.”
He said that though none of the conference’s primary sessions will focus on illuminating the Palestinian side of one Israel’s most prominent conflicts, he is confident that the experience will foster well-rounded conversation.
Gordon pointed out that UNLV has not seen significant anti-Zionist protests like some colleges have. However, he added, the information he hopes to gain at the AIPAC Policy Conference could help him guide such a conversation if it arose.
Saenz said that attending the conference will give her a chance to network with other student leaders and gather information for UNLV students.
“I believe that by me going to this conference, I am representing UNLV and getting information about a topic that most people do not really know about,” she said.
Saenz said that she will write on her CSUN blog about what she experiences while at the event.
CSUN is not paying for any of Saenz’s travel. AIPAC will foot the bill for everything but her ground transportation and any extra activities she wants to participate in in the capital.
The CSUN Executive Board agreed to give $499 — just under the amount for which senate approval is required — to help other students attend the conference, but the students ultimately turned down the funding.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby RobinDaHood » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:59 pm

A few drops of lube to make it all feel better...
Israel to Begin Investing Reserves in U.S Equities Today
By Alisa Odenheimer - Thu Mar 01 09:45:26 GMT 2012

The Bank of Israel will begin today a pilot program to invest a portion of its foreign currency reserves in U.S. equities.

The investment, which in the initial phase will amount to 2 percent of the $77 billion reserves, or about $1.5 billion, will be made through UBS AG and BlackRock Inc. (BLK), Bank of Israel spokesman Yossi Saadon said in a telephone interview today. At a later stage, the investment is expected to increase to 10 percent of the reserves.

A small number of central banks have started investing part of their reserves in equities. About 9 percent of the foreign- exchange reserves of Switzerland’s central bank were invested in shares at the end of the third quarter, the Swiss bank said on its website.

The investment will be made in equity index trackers and will include between 1,500 to 2,000 shares, among them stocks like Apple Inc. (AAPL), Saadon said.

The central bank decided to add equities to its investment portfolio in order to diversify, reduce risk and give better performance, Barry Topf, senior adviser to Governor Stanley Fischer, said in a Dec. 1 interview.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-01/israel-to-begin-investing-reserves-in-u-s-equities-today-1-.html
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby eyeno » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:04 pm

RobinDaHood wrote:A few drops of lube to make it all feel better...
Israel to Begin Investing Reserves in U.S Equities Today
By Alisa Odenheimer - Thu Mar 01 09:45:26 GMT 2012

The Bank of Israel will begin today a pilot program to invest a portion of its foreign currency reserves in U.S. equities.

The investment, which in the initial phase will amount to 2 percent of the $77 billion reserves, or about $1.5 billion, will be made through UBS AG and BlackRock Inc. (BLK), Bank of Israel spokesman Yossi Saadon said in a telephone interview today. At a later stage, the investment is expected to increase to 10 percent of the reserves.

A small number of central banks have started investing part of their reserves in equities. About 9 percent of the foreign- exchange reserves of Switzerland’s central bank were invested in shares at the end of the third quarter, the Swiss bank said on its website.

The investment will be made in equity index trackers and will include between 1,500 to 2,000 shares, among them stocks like Apple Inc. (AAPL), Saadon said.

The central bank decided to add equities to its investment portfolio in order to diversify, reduce risk and give better performance, Barry Topf, senior adviser to Governor Stanley Fischer, said in a Dec. 1 interview.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-01/israel-to-begin-investing-reserves-in-u-s-equities-today-1-.html


Probably building short positions for the eventual inevitable. There will be a roller coaster. I predict oil prices will do things we never imagined. Every up is a down, every down is an up, it depends upon which side of the curve best suits one.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby slimmouse » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:59 am

Bruce Dazzling wrote: if my question to slimmouse doesn't receive a direct answer, I will just assume that it's because slim is unable to validate Icke's assertion about the House of Rothschild, and we can all move on.


Now that Ive had the opportunity to just review this thread and calm down a little, heres my considered reply. Ive actually written the answer a couple of times, but to no avail.

If you really want to know what Icke means by that, why are you asking me ? Am I suddenly responsible for everything he writes, which is then introduced by another poster ? The man has written a lot of books on the subject, so I suggest you read his books about his opinions instead of slapping the blame for his opinions on me.


Bruce Dazzling wrote: Slimmouse's suggestions of "Red Shield stooges" and "Bauerites" created the path towards Icke,


Did it really Bruce ? Where does Icke say that. Do you have a book and page reference. Who actually created the Path towards Icke ? You got it mate, the resident cartoonist, and thread detractor. Funnily enough, He never asked me why I say that. Just the usual jumping to dumb conclusions, putting words in other peoples mouths, which is the one of ADs side hobbies


Ive said what Ive said. And if you want validation of that, then ask me for it. I can offer you my reasons for why I write what I write not what someone else posts about someone else ?

I hope that makes it clear enough Bruce.

Meanwhile ,Bruce, Staying on topic, what should we call them ?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:01 am

slimmouse wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote: if my question to slimmouse doesn't receive a direct answer, I will just assume that it's because slim is unable to validate Icke's assertion about the House of Rothschild, and we can all move on.


Now that Ive had the opportunity to just review this thread and calm down a little, heres my considered reply. Ive actually written the answer a couple of times, but to no avail.

If you really want to know what Icke means by that, why are you asking me ? Am I suddenly responsible for everything he writes, which is then introduced by another poster ? The man has written a lot of books on the subject, so I suggest you read his books about his opinions instead of slapping the blame for his opinions on me.


Bruce Dazzling wrote: Slimmouse's suggestions of "Red Shield stooges" and "Bauerites" created the path towards Icke,


Did it really Bruce ? Where does Icke say that. Do you have a book and page reference. Who actually created the Path towards Icke ? You got it mate, the resident cartoonist, and thread detractor. Funnily enough, He never asked me why I say that. Just the usual jumping to dumb conclusions, putting words in other peoples mouths, which is the one of ADs side hobbies


Ive said what Ive said. And if you want validation of that, then ask me for it. I can offer you my reasons for why I write what I write not what someone else posts about someone else ?

I hope that makes it clear enough Bruce.

Meanwhile ,Bruce, Staying on topic, what should we call them ?



Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up -- Please Give Us an Acceptable Way of Insulting You


There is no acceptable way of insulting AIPAC...

The entire world can deny the all other holocausts.....but they do not get the street cred just a couple of folks do

That is the way of the world

Case closed
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:17 am

slimmouse wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote: Slimmouse's suggestions of "Red Shield stooges" and "Bauerites" created the path towards Icke,


Did it really Bruce ? Where does Icke say that. Do you have a book and page reference. Who actually created the Path towards Icke ? You got it mate, the resident cartoonist, and thread detractor. Funnily enough, He never asked me why I say that. Just the usual jumping to dumb conclusions, putting words in other peoples mouths, which is the one of ADs side hobbies

I've watched you over the years and I've never known you to swerve from an adherence to David Icke's line- only to aver sometimes that you're not sure if "they" are reptilians. I have a pretty well informed assumption that you are in full agreement with David Icke about who "they" are, though perhaps you have a different or more multi-faceted explanation for their nature when so many other explanations have been left open by "the Messiah": vampire, extradimensional, shapeshifter, extraterrestrial, Elder of (Rothschild) Zionism, anunnaki, etc.

It's only fair though to let you represent your own view, in your own voice:

Where- if anywhere- do you think Icke is full of shit?
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Re: Dear Israel Lobby, We Give Up

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:36 am

American Dream wrote:
slimmouse wrote:
Bruce Dazzling wrote: Slimmouse's suggestions of "Red Shield stooges" and "Bauerites" created the path towards Icke,


Did it really Bruce ? Where does Icke say that. Do you have a book and page reference. Who actually created the Path towards Icke ? You got it mate, the resident cartoonist, and thread detractor. Funnily enough, He never asked me why I say that. Just the usual jumping to dumb conclusions, putting words in other peoples mouths, which is the one of ADs side hobbies

I've watched you over the years and I've never known you to swerve from an adherence to David Icke's line- only to aver sometimes that you're not sure if "they" are reptilians. I have a pretty well informed assumption that you are in full agreement with David Icke about who "they" are, though perhaps you have a different or more multi-faceted explanation for their nature when so many other explanations have been left open by "the Messiah": vampire, extradimensional, shapeshifter, extraterrestrial, Elder of (Rothschild) Zionism, anunnaki, etc.

It's only fair though to let you represent your own view, in your own voice:

Where- if anywhere- do you think Icke is full of shit?


A_D, An interesting counterpoint question on this is:
[b]Where- if anywhere- do you think Icke is not full of shit?
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