David Icke Superthread

[eyeno]

wombsaticus rex wrote:
Overall? There's not much wrong with Icke, really, but there's a great deal wrong with our culture. So when I talk about Icke being a "poison pill," please understand that I'm not talking about the man himself, I'm talking about the world we live in.

That was a pretty good analysis wombat. And, for the sighted it is easy to take the poison pill part, (lizards) and construe it as analogy and metaphor, and derive a proper answer. Vampires, etc...

wombaticus rex wrote:
He clearly was dealing with problems on the channeling front because he made a lot of apocalyptic predictions that never came to pass

True. Same thing happens to most that 'suddenly' become aware of the 'program.' Knowing the philosophy of the game and understanding it's time cycles are two different components that few possess. When one suddenly sees the end game philosophy one tends to prophesy as to the outcome. Panic and urgency sets in. Usually the outcome of the game comes in many stages over a longer period of time than the newly sighted one expected, and the stages appear to be something other than they truly are. Slowly in stages the prophecy sometimes comes true, looking like something it is not. As this happens history is being written with the passing of events, looking nothing like its true self. So, could we say the prophecy does not come true, or should we say it sometimes comes true slowly looking like what it is not?

History will record that Iran was a threat to the world. History will record that stupid ass sheep consumers spent too much money and crashed the mortages on their own homes and became homeless by the hundreds of millions. By 2050 history will be recording that millions have starved because...??? History will record that the currency systems, somehow by "conundrum" failed and hundreds of millions had to die as a result of their own stupid ignorance. History will record that hundreds of millions died of cancer and the cause is unknown or other than what it is. History will record that nuclear energy is safe and that it is not the cause of infant mortality and human disease. History will record that Palestine was uninhabited by anything but savages that needed killing. History will record that Native American Indians were dangerous savages that needed killing. History will record that Obama is a Democrat who fought for the rights of black people.

History will record that the earth is polluted almost beyond human survival because, because, because....

History will not record that a small group of (what was that word jeff used?) Psychopatholigarch? savages fucked it up for everybody involved, including themselves. History will not record that this keeps happening over and over and over.

Sometimes prophecy comes true, it simply looks like its opposite.

[slimmouse]

History will not record that a small group of (what was that word jeff used?) Psychopatholigarch? savages fucked it up for everybody involved, including themselves. History will not record that this keeps happening over and over and over.

Sometimes prophecy comes true, it simply looks like its opposite.

Exactly.

And thats another thing I like about Icke. Based on years of research, albeit with a few blind alleys down the way, hes prepared to stick his neck out and name some fucking names instead of indulging us in endless debates based upon bullshit labels.

The majority of people with a brain in their heads know who these people are, and its time to both call them out, and demand an end to their bullshit systems.

Stop the wars ? End the FRL ? Nah. For all his failings "Fuck Ron Paul" !!! oooh look over here - theres some fascists who support Mr Paul. The Israeli lobby ? How dare you , you raving antisemite !

Better instead to focus on nameless faceless entities such as " Global Corporations". That should keep us all confused for long enough shouldnt it ?

[Rory]

And thats another thing I like about Icke. Based on years of research, albeit with a few blind alleys down the way, hes prepared to stick his neck out and name some fucking names instead of indulging us in endless debates based upon bullshit labels.

The majority of people with a brain in their heads know who these people are, and its time to both call them out, and demand an end to their bullshit systems.

Stop the wars ? End the FRL ? Nah. For all his failings "Fuck Ron Paul" !!! oooh look over here - theres some fascists who support Mr Paul. The Israeli lobby ? How dare you , you raving antisemite !

Better instead to focus on nameless faceless entities such as " Global Corporations". That should keep us all confused for long enough shouldnt it ?

As regards this: which is a better way of describing our (we, the people) enemy.

As 'Global Corporations'.

Or '4th dimensional shapeshifting bloodline lizards'.

Well? Which approach is best attuned towards convincing people?

[Project Willow]

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that some people are laughed at and subjected to ridicule about reptiles and aliens in response to their disclosures of rape and torture.

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that thanks in part to Icke's work, very real and horrific and ongoing abuses are inextricably associated in the minds of most people with whacky, insupportable theories, and that this association prevents victims from obtaining institutional recognition and access to redress.

I don't like to imagine that the Icke supporters here have forgotten that this painful scenario affects several posters on this board, so I thought I would put this reminder here.

[Searcher08]

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that some people are laughed at and subjected to ridicule about reptiles and aliens in response to their disclosures of rape and torture.

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that thanks in part to Icke's work, very real and horrific and ongoing abuses are inextricably associated in the minds of most people with whacky, insupportable theories, and that this association prevents victims from obtaining institutional recognition and access to redress.

I don't like to imagine that the Icke supporters here have forgotten that this painful scenario affects several posters on this board, so I thought I would put this reminder here.

Willow, you and LPT were actually very much on my mind around this and I would really appreciate your thoughts / input - for example, when I saw the TranceFormation of America video, I thought instinctively that there may have been an uncomfortably large amount of truth in it. It was as disturbing as the Franklin stuff.
I know that many people who are contactees have had similar experiences or ridicule - I know that type of systematic response has been deliberately going on in those circles for decades as a matter of documented policy and imagine its the party line for RA survivors?

[seemslikeadream]

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that some people are laughed at and subjected to ridicule about reptiles and aliens in response to their disclosures of rape and torture.

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that thanks in part to Icke's work, very real and horrific and ongoing abuses are inextricably associated in the minds of most people with whacky, insupportable theories, and that this association prevents victims from obtaining institutional recognition and access to redress.

I don't like to imagine that the Icke supporters here have forgotten that this painful scenario affects several posters on this board, so I thought I would put this reminder here.

Project Willow I had no idea about what you have posted here let alone forgotten

[JackRiddler]

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that some people are laughed at and subjected to ridicule about reptiles and aliens in response to their disclosures of rape and torture.

I can't imagine the Icke supporters here would be happy to know that thanks in part to Icke's work, very real and horrific and ongoing abuses are inextricably associated in the minds of most people with whacky, insupportable theories, and that this association prevents victims from obtaining institutional recognition and access to redress.

I don't like to imagine that the Icke supporters here have forgotten that this painful scenario affects several posters on this board, so I thought I would put this reminder here.

Yes.

It's exasperating.

You'd think there would be some things we could just get past, already.

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[American Dream]

Cross-posted from the Alternative Rothschild thread- where it also applies:


So this is where slimmouse can run to to avoid having to "put his money where his mouth is" regarding Icke's Rothschild Zionism twaddle.

Is this intended to be a magic land where facts don't matter? Where the pro-Icke version of reality holds true just because the Icke fans believe it, oh and David Icke seems like such a sincere fellow?

And if you don't buy it- and want something approximating a rational argument- well never mind we'll just change the subject or act like we didn't hear? (again!)

[LilyPatToo]

What Project Willow said. When you have a life history that most people don't want to believe is real (because then they might have to open their eyes and perhaps actually do something about the presence of covert slavery in our society), the very last thing you need is to have your plight associated with an uncritical reporter like Icke. He makes it easier for otherwise well-intentioned people to decide not to believe people like me. Whether he's muddying the waters deliberately or not, the result is the same for me and for other survivors of systematized abuse--we're lumped in with the outer fringe and our testimonies become ignorable.

It's difficult for me to get past that, but when I can, I find myselves interested in him and his life. He's likable. I wonder what made him the way he is and whether he truly is as genuine as he comes across as being. I recall Cathy O'Brien's* complaint that once he got her story about GHW Bush wrong, he persisted in presenting his version to audiences no matter how many times she tried to correct him. That's inexcusable behavior for a researcher. And for him to stubbornly stick to the most sensationalistic version in the face of another less frothing-at-the-mouth version of the incident pretty much damns him in my eyes. But if that behavior is the result of some sort of mental disorder, then I'd like to know that.

It sucks that some of the loudest voices talking about mind control are so broken themselves that they taint the whole subject. I think it's worth our while to talk about Icke and try to figure him out. It's an RI thing to look into the darker corners and try to see as clearly as possible, so let's do it. I have an old friend who's a real fan of Icke's and I've offended him many times with my questions about the guy, but I keep on asking, because I think it's important.

LilyPat

*Yes, I'm aware of her credibility problems, but this specific incident was a pretty clear-cut a case of Icke misrepresenting her story and then refusing to make a public correction when asked to do so (whatever the truth of the actual incident was). IIRC--and it's been a while--she'd been the research subject in an experiment of some kind, involving Poppy reading from a book to her (or to an alter) and her perceptions were affected by either hypnosis, drugs or both. So what she saw need not have been literal fact, but Icke treated it as such.

[alwyn]

in Sufi lore, they say that truth is, when relative, true for time and place. They also say Truth is Absolute, and if you don't know the difference between the two, you have no business being a teacher. I submit that Icke has no grasp of Truth, although he may have a grasp of the relative.

There are also more drives than money; power or notoriety being two more. There is also the incredibly irresistible lure of being the 'occult master'....

I don't think Icke has mastered power; i DO think it has mastered him.

nuf said

[Rory]

I'd be interested to hear from an Icke fan on this. To ask again, slightly rephrased -

Has Icke made any original insights or revelations of his own?

Has he brought any new material or ideas to the parapolitical table - ones that are not merely recycled and repackaged, with added sensationalized catches and hooks?

[slimmouse]

Cross-posted from the Alternative Rothschild thread- where it also applies:


So this is where slimmouse can run to to avoid having to "put his money where his mouth is" regarding Icke's Rothschild Zionism twaddle.

Is this intended to be a magic land where facts don't matter? Where the pro-Icke version of reality holds true just because the Icke fans believe it, oh and David Icke seems like such a sincere fellow?

And if you don't buy it- and want something approximating a rational argument- well never mind we'll just change the subject or act like we didn't hear? (again!)

AD, Ive replied to Bruce in the appropriate thread in the appropriate manner. Ive not run and hid anywhere. Speaking of which, A quick glance at that thread will illustrate who's one of the biggest culprits of running and avoiding on this board clearly to anyone ( via the trail of unanswered questions you left behind there, mostly as a matter of course with you) ,

Hypocrit needs adding to your list of talents.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I'd be interested to hear from an Icke fan on this. To ask again, slightly rephrased -

Has Icke made any original insights or revelations of his own?

Not really an Icke fan, never have been, but in my view, no. Not really. He's like the Johann Hari of conspiracy theorists - nothing he says is particularly original, and it's mostly dumbed down to attract (or pander to) a wider audience, and all pretence at journalistic integrity is pre-emptively thrown out the window before the story begins in the name of "full disclosure." In reality this means that he has an excuse to lump very disparate historical events together in one big broth, and accuse people of being paedophiles without having to provide proof.

Icke does this under the guise of a sort of techno-mysticism - are we in the Matrix, or is it, like, another dimension made of colours, or another planet where Dracos live? - whereas Johann Hari just straight up lied a lot.

This kind of stuff gets a much wider audience than the real stuff that it's based upon or ripped off from, unfortunately.

The problem with Icke, leading on from what Willow said, is that he won't give up on this Matrix idea where everything is a simulation created by some larger (malevolent) power. Now, if you think about it for ten seconds, this belief is nothing more than a get-out clause for dealing with real world problems. If everything is a simulation, like he sometimes says, then why is he still outraged by real world events like child abuse and neo-imperialist wars? Why does he still care about this simulation being run from a moonbase or Draco?

Are his followers more or less likely to do something worthwhile about real world problems if they have been led to believe by Icke that they are living in a multi-verse simulation dreamworld? That's what matters at the end of the day. Does he mobilise people for good, mobilise them for wrong, or simply immobilise them altogether?

I suppose I don't need to say which one of those options I believe to be true, but it is only my opinion, so don;t go hatin' on me bros.

Has he brought any new material or ideas to the parapolitical table - ones that are not merely recycled and repackaged, with added sensationalized catches and hooks?

Nup.

NOTE: I am not really a disbeliever in second sight, premonition, multiverses, aliens, reptillians, prophets, etc. Just not a fan of Icke.

[slimmouse]

I'd be interested to hear from an Icke fan on this. To ask again, slightly rephrased -

Has Icke made any original insights or revelations of his own?

Has he brought any new material or ideas to the parapolitical table - ones that are not merely recycled and repackaged, with added sensationalized catches and hooks?

Probably not Rory. What he has done however is brought many people into the fold (as you have kinda expressed yourself) and is continuing to do so.

Ill say this again, because it bears repeating ( since if its happened to me then its happened to countless others ) I wasnt even aware of the SRA phenomenon or the joke that is the FMSF until I'd read David Icke ( I think it was the Mcmartin day care scandal) that first brought it to my attention.

This is yet another subject, which very few people are willing to touch with a very long pole. Also, if Im not mistaken, Icke does actually mention in one of his works that Cathy O Brien had actually retracted some of her claims WRT the reptile thing. But Icke suggests that he has spoken to too many people who have had similar experiences, including non SRA victims ( which should be emphasised) and who continue stand by their claims to dismiss these experiences out of hand.

Threrefore, whilst I do understand PW and Lilys concerns WRT Icke, hes not all bad news ( certainly WRT to exposure of the plight and struggle of both themselves, and no doubt millions of others worldwide.)

[wintler2]

This kind of stuff gets a much wider audience than the real stuff that it's based upon or ripped off from, unfortunately.

Yep. And even making the most charitable assumption, that he is merely a useful idiot accidentally creating cover for real perpetrators, he should by now notice his bad-jacketing effect and lack of runs on the board and either refine his act in a big way or change vocations.