On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:37 am

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darlingjoe wrote:No it wasn't. I'm very sure of that. Many mantids are cool, but that thing wasn't. It was nasty. And not all anger is about fearing something. Maybe it is. It wasn't friendly and it wasn't asking for help or anything else. It was intent on taking what it wanted regardless.


You see, I hate it when you do that. Go all scarey on me.

I fear not demons though.

I spit them in the eye.

I stamp on their face.

I turn away.

And let them eat my dust.

By which I mean, I would show them a clean pair of heels.

Failing that, I wouldst strike them with a large cudgel.

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Back to kids though. Yes, I also hope and pray that they will outlive me. I prayed that if I must die as all mortals must do, and frankly that's still open to some debate, that I should do so with my family around me.

How awful it must be to lose a child! I dare not even think of such a thing. Really. I don't go there.

An old family friend had two of her children die. One was murdered, and the other died in a road accident. Her two sons, it was.

I mean, that's beyond tragic. What is the lesson in that? I'm not sure. I just hope and pray that it's one I already learnt somehow.

I guess I hope they will all be there by my side at the end of my days. Still, I wouldn't want them to be sad. I would say I would meet them again in another form and know them, perhaps.

Faith is a many faceted thing; a diamond suspended in the air.



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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:02 am

It was the large cudgel that sent it running actually. Well OK... not a cudgel, but I was gonna punch it in the face and keep punching till I hurt my hand on the "wall" behind it.

Back to kids though. Yes, I also hope and pray that they will outlive me. I prayed that if I must die as all mortals must do, and frankly that's still open to some debate, that I should do so with my family around me.

How awful it must be to lose a child! I dare not even think of such a thing. Really. I don't go there.

An old family friend had two of her children die. One was murdered, and the other died in a road accident. Her two sons, I think it was.

I mean, that's beyond tragic. What is the lesson in that? I'm not sure. I just hope and pray that it's one I already learnt somehow.

It would kill me stone dead to lose a child. That is not my end. My story is a good one, with a good ending. My dearest children will not fall along the wayside. I have to have faith in that, at least.

They will all be there by my side at the end of days. I fear not.

I have already cast powerful spells of protection upon them. I hope and pray it will be enough.


I am so with you on that. Apart from the physical fear that you get when you put yourself in actual mortal danger, and thats a different thing, not really "fear" like a scary thing but a primal response your body has in the face of dying, I've never been as scared as I am now. Not that there's anything I can do about it. They are way different things too, physical fear is like your biosurvival circuit's way of saying "this situation i fucking dangerous". Its not like the scare you get when you think about something.

But yeah the thought of something happening to her .. it scares me into paralysis if I let it. Cos really there is nothing you can do. Its a powerless feeling. Although there is actually plenty you can do, as you articulated above some protection is powerful and can work. And there's the education thing. You can teach kids how to survive their mistakes (I hope.)

As far as the lesson in such a tragedy. My dad is Indian, and was a bit of a linguist in his day. I asked what Maya meant one day, cos its always translated as "illusion". Dad said that .... well words to the effect of the thing we most value. if a parent lost their child they might weep for their lost maya. When I said I thought it meant illusion he said it probably does in a way.

Life may be an illusion. But the illusion is so real it hurts.

There's one other aspect to my mortality or contemplating it, that being a parent brings. I was never that scared of death. Well obviously thats not true, cos its scary as, but at the same time ... I made some sort of peace with it. You can't let it stop you doing things. Well maybe some things, stupid ones, but not the stuff that needs to be done (it just helps me to focus on doing them properly I think). But when I was young I remember how scared the idea of losing one or both parents made me. The sort of gut wrenching fear that losing my daughter inspires. really full on.

While its always true that if I died the people who care about me would suffer, I've never felt that acutely. How bad it would be, till now.

It doesn't change anything really, other than bring home the consequences of my own mortality for others, who I care about. But somehow that changes everything.
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Re: On the subject of contemplating mortality in general

Postby Sounder » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:22 am

Congratulations Joe and good to hear from you.

Be strong Avalon.

HoL wrote...
An old family friend had two of her children die. One was murdered, and the other died in a road accident. Her two sons, I think it was.

I mean, that's beyond tragic. What is the lesson in that? I'm not sure. I just hope and pray that it's one I already learnt somehow.

It would kill me stone dead to lose a child.


It is in the nature of mortality that any one of us may die at nearly any time. Many, many families endure the loss of young ones, most often as a result of property theft disguised as war, but still all to often even in non-warring situations. Being that the tragic element seems to be a component of the life experience of pretty much everyone, a more strategic approach to potential tragedy and grief might be to know that others have gotten thru the hard experiences and that you can too.

I went to a 'share the care' meeting yesterday for a friend with a very threatening condition, so mortality is on my mind at the moment.

Sorry if my pragmatic 'slip' is showing (you know, below my hem line)
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Postby Peregrine » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:12 pm

Been super self-reflective the past few days & really wanted to add more here, but time doesn't permit at the moment. High Joe! Nice to see you again & I will totally look into that book. I am going to be ordering some books that they unfortunately don't have at the library, but I think that one they might.
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:18 pm

Funny, since I wrote my last post in this thread, I seem to have come down with some strange affliction that the Dr's can't explain. Been getting tons of blood tests, to the point where the inner elbow of my right arm makes me look like some kind of heroin addict. I'm wearing long sleeves just to cover it up.

Hopefully it's nothing, but it's frustrating that they can't figure it out right away. Making me think about these sorts of things.

I did have a very good friend come down with Multiple Myeloma a couple of years ago. That's a cancer of the plasma cells. He almost died from kidney failure and they barely saved him. He's doing surprisingly well now, but he still needs a bone marrow transplant supposedly. He's my age, maybe a year or two older.

I really wouldn't care that much except for my kids. I mean, I've had a good life and it really wouldn't matter if I were to go right now. Except for my kids, especially my son. My wife says she wouldn't like it either, but she'd manage. :)

It's nothing that's getting in the way of my life too much at the moment, but it came up suddenly and it's worrisome. Maybe it will just go away on its own! The last doctor seemed to hope that. :roll:
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Peregrine » Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:26 pm

Well, I'm off tomorrow morning for a little bit of cathartic purging out in the woods & pondering what lays beyond that threshold. I've rented a very rustic cabin out in the woods for a few days & hoping I come away a little more refreshed, at the very least. Lots has been happening internally & I've been having odd little encounters with what I believe are random deseased folks, but a lot of it is really subtle.

Nordic wrote:Funny, since I wrote my last post in this thread, I seem to have come down with some strange affliction that the Dr's can't explain.


Nordic, I meant to come back & ask, did it all turn out ok? Were they able to figure out what the deal was with your bloodwork?

Anyhow, hope all you RI'ers are having a good Easter weekend. Before I lose my mushy nerve, I just wanted to say that I enjoy interacting with all you interesting folk, I wish I could hug you guys.
Be back Thursday night! :yay
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:19 am

Good luck on your retreat. I've been hesitant to share a recent sighting of what I'm pretty sure was a ghost--not sure why, given how important the question of survival of the soul is to me, except that it's been a tough few weeks and maybe I wasn't up to dealing with dismissive skepticism. I've gone over and over what happened and asked friends' opinions and the consensus is that it had to be a spirit, rather than a living little girl. But I still waffled about posting about it until I saw Peregrine's mention of the same sort of experiences above. So here goes:

I was on the 9:25AM NL Transbay bus on Friday March 30th on my way from Oakland to San Francisco. I noticed a woman and her son sitting catty-cornered from me across the aisle. They're regulars on that bus and it's always just the 2 of them. That day they were sitting in the middle of a 3-person bench seat, so there was a small space on either side of them. She always interacts with him a lot--comes across as a good mom. We were on the ramp onto the Bay Bridge when I was startled to see a little girl squashed into the space beside the woman. She hadn't been there through the downtown Oakland part of the ride, hadn't boarded the bus and she hadn't been sitting in the back seats alone because I would have seen her walk past me. I'm a bit hyper vigilant in public...

She looked just like the mother and son, who have distinctive features, so it seemed likely she was a daughter. She looked completely normal in every way--like any 6 year old on her way to school. I must have been staring at her because she turned and made eye contact with me. I smiled, but she didn't--she looked sad or very serious. She just lay her head down on her mother's shoulder and looked away.

I was puzzling over where the heck she'd come from and didn't look back for a couple of minutes. During that time the bus sped up on the bridge (no stops) and we were just coming to the Treasure Island tunnel when I glanced back at her and she was gone. Just gone. I twisted around and she wasn't in the back either. That was when it struck me that the mother had interacted several times during those minutes with her son, but had completely ignored the little girl. And then I realized that she hadn't said a single word to her before that either, which is wildly out of character for this woman--she's one of the most engaged moms I've ever seen...which, it occurred to me, was a natural thing in a parent who'd lost a child.

They didn't ride the bus on Good Friday, but I'm hoping to see them this coming Friday and maybe sit by them and talk to the mother. Having lost a child too, I know if someone saw my son, I'd want to know about it. In fact, 26 years ago, 2 of our nephews were just toddlers and both mentioned my son sitting on my lap one evening at a party. Their atheist parents were *horrified* but it meant the world to me. Peregrine, if you care to share, I'd really appreciate hearing more about the encounters you've been having. And Nordic, I'd missed your post above--are you OK now?

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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:21 am

Thanks for asking, LilyPat and Peregrine. I still have the affliction, although the blood work all came back negative. So that's good, because it ruled out all the really scary stuff, but the bad news is they still don't know what's causing it. Possibly something in the auto-immune department. I have no freaking idea. Which is frustrating.

LilyPat, that's a heck of a story. It reminds me of something in my life -- my stepdaughter has an aunt who's quite wealthy but who lost a child in a household accident when he was 3. The aunt is also a very good artist. She gave my stepdaughter this large pastel work of a woman sitting in a chair. It's about the size of a movie poster. We hung it in our house because my stepdaughter wanted to and also because it's a niece piece of artwork. But this thing has freaked the HELL out of my son since he was quite young. He's had nightmares about it over and over. I finally had to take it off the wall and hide it away, facing a wall. He still wants it gone, but it's not his, it's my stepdaughter's. I can't help but wonder if he's picking up on some sort of vibe from the death of the kid in that painting. Ironically the woman is as sweet as can be, yet at the same time I've always wondered how you let that something like that happen. Granted they're wealthy and live in a very big house, but still ..... little kids and swimming pools are a dangerous combination ..... and what's kind of odd is they still live in the damn house!

My son is rather clairvoyant. I just accept it. I've talked about it before here.

My wife and I ran into a little girl on a remote deserted beach in Big Sur once. She was just sitting there, oddly and ethereally beautiful, in the sand. The wind blowing her red hair. We asked her why she was there and if her parents were there and she said quite vaguely that they were around somewhere. I asked if I could take her picture and she said fine, and I did so. She was probably about eight. It bothered us from them on, this girl. Who was she, and why was she there, and we joked that she must have been a ghost. Yet she seemed as solid as anything.

Years later, when my young son saw the photo for the first time, he pointed at it and said "she's a ghost".
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:10 pm

I have not searched RI for how much has been spoken about probable lives and multiple time streams
which is a area of interest for me.
but I recently finished a book that might be useful to death and dying angst.
THE BOWL OF LIGHT by Hank Wesselman
Wesselman is another reliable mapmaker for the study of the possible psychological evolution of the human species.
His book gives some solid GPS fixes for people willing to explore new territory.
I suspect some of the anxiety expressed in this thread is the precognitive radar some people manifest
who are picking up the early blips from our civilization's death spiral, eh?


see link for full story
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituar ... enson.html
Professor Ian Stevenson

12:01AM GMT 12 Feb 2007

Professor Ian Stevenson, who died on February 8 aged 88, was the world's foremost scientific authority on the study of reincarnation; the founder and director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia, Stevenson spent more than 40 years travelling the world, accumulating more than 3,000 cases of children who appeared to have memories of previous lives.

A typical case involved an Indian boy, Gopal, who at the age of three started talking about his previous life in the city of Mathura, 160 miles from his home in Delhi. He claimed that he had owned a medical company called Sukh Shancharak, lived in a large house with many servants, and that his brother had shot him after a quarrel.

Subsequent investigations revealed that one of the owners of Sukh Shancharak had shot his brother some eight years before Gopal's birth. The deceased man was named Shaktipal Shara. Gopal was subsequently invited to Mathura by Shaktipal's family, where the young child recognised various people and places known to Shaktipal. The family was particularly impressed by Gopal's mention of Shaktipal's attempts to borrow money, and how this had led to the shooting — information that was known only to the family.

Stevenson's studies were informed by an encyclopaedic knowledge of history, philosophy and the natural sciences but characterised above all by an empirical rigour. He would travel vast distances to interview the children and their current and "previous" families, meticulously noting corroborative and conflicting statements in their accounts, and cross-checking official records, and police and autopsy reports.

Dense with statistical data, his studies avoided any theoretical speculation on Eastern philosophical theories about the transmigration of the soul. In fact, "soul" was a word Stevenson was always keen to avoid. He preferred the term "personality", and was always careful to state that the mountain of evidence accumulated in his researches "permitted", rather than compelled, a belief in reincarnation.

Ian Stevenson was born on October 31 1918 in Montreal, Canada. He studied Medicine at St Andrews University in Scotland and McGill University, Montreal, before embarking on a series of internships and residencies at hospitals in Montreal, Arizona and New Orleans.

As a physician he became particularly interested in finding some explanation for psychosomatic disorders, and, dissatisfied with the reductionism of biochemistry, he changed disciplines to psychiatry.

In the early 1950s, encouraged by a meeting with Aldous Huxley, he became one of the first academics in America to investigate the effects of psychedelic drugs in a psychiatric context. One encounter with LSD induced what he would describe as "a mystical experience" — three days of "perfect serenity" and the sense that "I could never be angry again. As it happens that didn't work out, but the memory of it persisted as something to hope for."

Unconvinced by the Freudian view that personality is fixed in early childhood, Stevenson began to explore other theories of the origin of individual characteristics and the development of personality. He became interested in accounts gleaned from newspapers and the journals of children who claimed to have memories of previous lives.

What struck Stevenson were the common patterns that emerged from these accounts; the fact that children started recounting these stories between the ages of two and five, yet seemed to have forgotten them by the age of eight or nine; the frequent mentions of having died a violent death, and the apparently clear recollections of the mode of death.

In 1960 he published his first paper on the subject, The Evidence for Survival from Claimed Memories of Former Incarnations, which caught the attention of Chester Carlson, the inventor of the Xerox machine. Carlson funded Stevenson's first field trip, in 1961, to India and Sri Lanka, where he was able to locate and study some 25 such cases, adding fuel to his theory that reincarnation might offer "a third possibility" in the development of character, along with hereditary and environmental influences.

By now Stevenson had been appointed chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Immersed in adminstration and research, he could see no future in past lives. But in 1963 Carlson collapsed in a cinema and died. When his will was read, Stevenson was astonished to learn that Carlson had left $1 million to endow a chair at the University of Virginia, and a further $1 million for Stevenson himself to continue his researches into reincarnation.

Carlson's bequest enabled Stevenson to set up the Division of Personality Studies, the only academic department in the world dedicated to the study of previous life memories, near-death experiences and other paranormal phenomena. Stevenson travelled extensively in South-East Asia, South America, the Lebanon and West Africa in search of cases (between 1966 and 1971 he logged an average of 55,000 miles a year). The vast majority of his cases came from cultures where there is a belief in reincarnation — a fact that sceptics claimed undermined the credibility of the accounts.

Stevenson argued that in those cultures children's claims tended to be treated more seriously, and were therefore investigated, while similar claims in the West would be dismissed as mere fantasy: "I sometimes get letters saying, 'I wish I'd known about you when our Tommy was three years old and started telling us he used to be a pilot and we told him to stop telling fibs, and now he says he doesn't remember anything.' "

His empirical approach made him deeply sceptical of fanciful accounts of previous lives and practices such as hypnosis and "past life regression". He kept a file in his office which he labelled "Extravagant Claims", containing numerous Thomas Jeffersons, Mary Magdalenes, Napoleons and Josephines, and would speculate amusingly to colleagues about what would happen if they were all to be locked in a room together.

Stevenson was the author of more than 200 publications, from full-length volumes of case studies to smaller academic papers, analysing every aspect of past-life claims, from the "announcing dreams" that foretell a coming birth among the Tlingit people of Alaska to studies of 24 Burmese children who claimed to have been Japanese soldiers who died there during the war. (Common traits included a liking for raw fish and grumbling about the heat.) Two books were dedicated to examining the evidence of birthmarks and birth defects corresponding to the wounds of deceased persons.

In the course of his travels Stevenson assembled a collection of the types of weapons — axes, swords and knives — that had been used in previous personality deaths; these hung on the walls of the offices of the Division of Personality Studies.

A tall, stooping man who usually dressed in grey flannels and a blazer, Stevenson was the embodiment of academic rectitude. Diffident and quietly spoken, he grew accustomed to most of his academic peers finding his interest in reincarnation odd — "and that's putting it mildly".

The fact that his work received little or no recognition from the scientific community seemed only to reinforce his belief in its inherent conservatism: "It's been said that there's nothing so troublesome as a new idea, and I think that's particularly true in science." His greatest frustration, he maintained, was not that people dismissed his theories, but that so few bothered even to read the evidence he had so painstakingly assembled.

Stevenson regarded the prospect of his own passing with equanimity, maintaining that he was "apprehensive" but not scared of death. "I have a feeling I'm going to be confronted with memories, some of which I won't like, and would like to expunge. But I do wonder, what parents could possibly want me as a baby?"
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Peregrine » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:14 am

Some of the stranger things happening lately have me pondering this again. Not that I stopped pondering it, but I have become not so scared. Again, hoping it all happens when I'm a curmudgeon-y old woman. (hopefully I'm not too curmudgeon-y)

fruhmenschen wrote:I recently finished a book that might be useful to death and dying angst.
THE BOWL OF LIGHT by Hank Wesselman
Wesselman is another reliable mapmaker for the study of the possible psychological evolution of the human species.
His book gives some solid GPS fixes for people willing to explore new territory.


I think I must add this to my list of books to read. I've taken a strong interest in Sufi mystiscism, too.

fruhmenschen wrote: I suspect some of the anxiety expressed in this thread is the precognitive radar some people manifest
who are picking up the early blips from our civilization's death spiral, eh?


I think I am starting to become more or lest resigned to this death spiral. I know I've posted it elsewhere here somewhere, but worth posting again:



As for my retreat in early April, I have been wanting to go into it a little more, but for some reason, don't quite feel ready about sharing what went on. What it did was force me to be alone with the quiet of my thoughts, & it brought on some pretty frightening dreams at times & subtle unexplicable experiences. I find that being in the din of the city tends to drown out those subtle signals we need to pick up on sometimes & I feel that, for me, living in the city has distorted or tainted the way I interpret the world around me.
I ramble. I think I will pick back up tomorrow. My daughter can't sleep & insists on cuddles :hug1:
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:14 pm

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I have to say, I am rather a believer in reincarnation.

And this despite professing to practice thoroughgoing agnosticism.

But that's largely a philosophical principle: which is to say, a tool.

You see, it's not that I believe in it so much, as that the truth of reincarnation was demonstrated to me.

It's difficult to explain.

Yet I bear witness to the ancient Pythagorean doctrine: the transmigration of souls.

The cat only crouches in order to pounce. We expire but to inspire.

I ate of the fruit of heaven.

I recall the glittering spires of Asgard, and much else besides;



What if all you understand,
Could fit into the center of your hand,
Then you found it wasn't you,
Who held the sum of everything you knew.


Puts me in remembrance of this;

To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.


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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:58 am

An interesting thread, Peregrine. Thank you for starting it.

Avalon, sorry to learn of your accident and I'm glad you're here to tell us about it. I hope your recovery is complete and quick.

Nordic, hope you're going to be alright and successfully overcome what's ailing you. Been bitten by a tick? Have the doctor check your bloodwork for tick-borne pathogens or antibodies. Also, be sure to have a complete nutritional work-up to see if you have deficiencies or an over-abundance and to have your endocrine system checked to see if anything's under-or over-producing.

So many heart-felt emotions!

Once, long ago in an ancient (18thC) and tiny 2 roomed house on Long Island, (one bedroom upstairs and a living room downstairs) filled with perhaps 10 people, I and a few others saw a "ghost." An fleeting apparition, definitely a woman, rushed by someone sitting on a step and made her way upstairs. I've described this before as being similar to aluminum powder in a spotlight, but translucent. There was nothing that appeared below her calves and the hem of her garment, like a night dress, wavered into and out of sight (existence?) No more than two seconds time the apparition lasted. Some who were present and didn't see anything extraordinary denied it could have been possible and even one who witnessed the apparition sought for irrational reasons that caused our vision - it was a traffic light. No. It was a ghost.

This ghost seemed oblivious to our presence and was not at all like the 'solid' girl Peregrine interacted with.
Perhaps the young girl was more attached to this world, clinging to and unable to leave her mother? I suppose that both are attached to this world for their own reasons.

Oh, and Peregrine, there seems to be nothing at all on Dan Mitchell's blog; not a single posting!

I've a bit more to say, but have to hit the hay, it's 3am.

Before going, though, I want to recommend a few books to those interested in exploring their own mortality or that of their loved one and perhaps too, a little about life after death from near-death experiences. I'd begin with that book, "AFTER THE LIGHT: What I Discovered on the Other Side of Life That Can Change Your World." It's a light and humorous read.

More important for all to read would be Elisabeth Kubler-Ross' "On Death and Dying," especially because it relates The Five Stages of Grief, sometimes referred to as The Five Stages of Death.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance

(Not me! I can't. I have kids and too much to do. Please, run the tests again and you'll see that some error's occurred)

(Christ! Why Me!)

(Please God, I'll change... I'll be better. Just let me live!)

(Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!)

(Nah, it's cool. I'm ready. My kids will continue being loved by their mother and they know I love them.)

Lastly, another important book dealing with death (and life) I've found is Stephen Levine's "Who Dies? An Investigation into Conscious Living and Conscious Dying" That's all for now.
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby Peregrine » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:21 pm

Iamwhomiam wrote: This ghost seemed oblivious to our presence and was not at all like the 'solid' girl Peregrine interacted with.
Perhaps the young girl was more attached to this world, clinging to and unable to leave her mother? I suppose that both are attached to this world for their own reasons.


I do believe that was miss Lilypat that had that experience, although not long ago I encountered a "bully". Won't dwell on him, as I think doing so tends to give them strength. I do keep meaning to come back to this little thread & go into detail, but been busy as of late.

Oh, and Peregrine, there seems to be nothing at all on Dan Mitchell's blog; not a single posting!


Ah yes. Dan ended up closing down his blog, as some of the experiences he was having were quite surreal & I think he felt he was contributing on a subtle level to darker aspects of the whole paranormal phenomenon when it came to folks reading his blog. Not sure if that makes sense...

A book that was recommended to me, too, was one called The Afterlife Unveiled: What the Dead are Telling Us About Their World by Stafford Betty. Not a long book, maybe a little more than 100 pages, but apparently quite revealing.
One I read not long ago was called The World Turned Inside Out: Henry Corbin and Islamic Mysticism. It was a very informative read about the Abrahamic religious roots, but also delved into some insightful esoteric & metaphysical aspects as well.

Alright, I will at some point come back to this, just a matter of making time to sit & formulate my thoughts. Or rattle off on nights I can't sleep. :snoring:
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Re: On the subject of contemplating one's mortality

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:24 pm

Thanks for that recommendation, Peregrine. I just wasted precious money on what turned out to be a saccharine-sweet, hyper-Catholic book on deathbed visions. It was written by an MD, so I mistakenly thought it would be objective--wrong! His name's Lerma if you want to avoid my error. So I'm grateful for personal recommendations on books on NDEs and survival-of-death-related stuff. And yes it was me who saw the little girl on the bus in March. I've looked for the mom and son every week since, but they seem to have stopped riding that bus, which is really disappointing--I wanted to see if they'd lost a little girl and at least partially confirm what I saw.

BTW, the Amazon blurb on the Stafford book says:
Authentic mediums may be the closest thing to the voice of God that our planet has."

That really grated on my agnostic sensibilities, but, based on my own interactions with psychics who are for real, I'd have to agree to a point. A genuine medium (and there are some, in the sea of the self-deluded and the frauds) can see a bit more of the spectrum than most of us can. The information they get is of interest to me, even though it's inevitably transmitted through their own personal filters of beliefs/expectations.

One of the mediums I knew years ago was as agnostic as I am about the existence of a God. She told me she knew for a fact that part of us survives death, but she'd not yet encountered any sort of deity and wasn't certain she believed in one. She said her impression was that what we call "the soul" was the result of a naturally occurring physical process and that some kind of basic "soul" energy existed at the base of everything, including the planet. But she refused to personify it. I'm still thinking that over 40 years later...

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