Recent Illuminati Article

by **heyjt** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:33 pm

Sometimes I wonder if these stories are just set up as a "straw man", or as some kind of disinformation. Anyway, this one is definately RI material. Human sacrifice, programming, politics, paramilitary forces? Well, it's the Illuminati, of course! Hope the link works: <a href="http://www.arcticbeacon.com./17-Jan-2006.html">www.arcticbeacon.com./17-Jan-2006.html</a>

by **Connut** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:44 pm

hsa always struck me as a straight shooter. Some details ring true. Quote: The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the maneuvering of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances. The Illuminists expect this and will be (and are BEING) trained in how to deal with this eventuality. They are training their people in hand-to- hand combat, crowd control, and, if necessary, will kill to control crowds. The Illuminati is training their people to be prepared for every possible reaction to the takeover. Many mind control victims will also be called into duty with preset command codes. These codes are meant to call out a new, completely cult loyal presenting system. Shatter codes programmed under trauma will be used to destroy or bury non-cult loyal alters. End Quote The article sounds a lot like the information that Jeff has been sharing. So what to do? Cheers, Connut

by **professorpan** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:18 pm

Sounds like just more of the same rehashed stuff to me, all unsubstantiated. My own take on ruling elites/Illuminati is that there isn't *one* monolithic group, but many secretive organizations at work behind the scenes of conventional politics. There are multiple agendas, multiple goals, and multiple means of accomplishing them, and the types of infighting common to any group endeavor. When someone claims there's a single, overarching, global plan, I wonder how, with human nature being as capricious as it is, that the overlords command such obedience from their servants. I'm also inherently suspicious when people claim to have exited such a grand conspiracy, yet they freely run around blabbing all the secrets to people like Syzmanski.

by **biaothanatoi** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:00 pm

The Svali material is saturated with right-wing bullshit.It accords a little too snugly with Springmeier's "13 bloodlines" and other Army of God propoganda. If you read her interviews, she claims: - the UN is a 'stepping stone' to a 'one world government' - the Illuminati are behind the 'gay agenda' - the Mormons officially affiliated with the Illuminati in 1950 - the Jehovah's Witnesses, 'New Age' and Satanists are sympathetic to the Illuminati These are some choice quotes from her: "Most cartoons have a subtle message as well as subliminal ones meant to influence the next generation of children, destroy family values and old fashioned "morality" as being "Christian Right" or "prejudiced" or "politically incorrect'" "I believe the show (Pokemon) has strongly demonic undertones." "In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Micky Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control. " etc etc etc. Getting the picture yet?

by **heyjt** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:27 am

I am still waiting to rent the movie "Syriana". My friend watched the "Charlie Rose Show" a few weeks ago and the guy who was the inspiration for George Clooney's CIA part was interviewed. I really want to see the interview myself. Apparantly, the guy says the whole scene is out of control. There is no allegence within countries when multinational corporations are running the show. Now, if they have a doomsday plan, maybe that is the illuminati schedule. I have a problem with the way the article was presented, and am giving it more thought.

by **sunny** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:09 am

"In fact, many of the top pop singers come from an internship with the "Micky Mouse club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom in exchange for allegiance or mind control. " etc etc etc. Getting the picture yet? ___________________________ Yeah, but doesn't ex-Mickey Mouser Britney Spears just love Bushie, and would do whatever he asks of her, follow wherever he leads, etc,etc.? (lol, btw)

by **televisionchild** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:26 am

Svali has her own website, complete with her free book and numerous articles. Biao, re: your impressions of a RW link -- suggest you take a gander at her website and see if your take still rings true. As I'm a novice at Ill matters, a synopsis of this (false) connection and a possible link to its explication would be much appreciated.

by **televisionchild** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:27 am

<a href="http://www.lionlambministries.org/">www.lionlambministries.org/</a> ...said website.

by **biaothanatoi** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:34 pm

Svali may well be an RA survivor, but it's pretty likely that her initial counselling was done through a deliverance ministry or something similar. Her early interviews are peppered with references to the evils of the Illuminati 'homosexual lifestyle' and the need to maintain 'family values' which the Illuminati are breaking down through TV etc etc etc. It's likely that she (or someone treating her) has read Springmeier's stuff. I've met survivors who are absolutely married to the 'conspiracy' theories of RA (global mega-cult, etc) because that's the framework that they've been given (often by deliverance ministries) to understand what they have been through.

by **televisionchild** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:02 am

Okay, so you're saying her (early) biases reflect a heavy RW Xian deprogramming influence. She certainly espouses a heavy Xian pov today, from what I heard on 2 radio broadcasts (which she claims will be her last for awhile). My take is that she seems sincere in revealing her experience as an inside trainer since early childhood. But I hear you saying that the globalist conspiracy she's describing may have been planted by her deprogrammers. Again, where (links) would you suggest I go to find a pov about the Ill that corresponds to your take on who they are and their actual size, history & purposes? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=televisionchild>televisionchild</A> at: 1/18/06 10:04 pm

by **biaothanatoi** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:48 am

> Okay, so you're saying her (early) biases reflect a heavy RW Xian deprogramming influence. That's my impression - I don't have any insider information. Certainly, her disclosures 'conveniently' support the anti-govt, anti-gay, anti-liberal, anti-UN prejudices of a specific flavour of Christian fundamentalism. > My take is that she seems sincere in revealing her experience as an inside trainer since early childhood. I wouldn't deny that she's a survivor. Beyond the possibility that her disclosures have been framed and structured by Christian fundamentalist deprogrammers - which looks likely, given where she's ended up - much of what she says also accords with common cult indoctrination - 'we are everywhere', 'we control history', 'we are global'. Is she giving us real insight into the operation of the perps, or is she just repeating her indoctrination and mistaking it for fact? I've seen ritual abuse occuring within a loose coalition of criminal organisation that traffick in people - some are cults, some are paedophile rings, some are hardcore S&M/slavery networks. They traffick victims between one another. It's a specific strata of crime occupied by variety of groups and individuals. In contrast, Svali posits a global mega-cult to "explain" not only ritual abuse, but also why children watch too many cartoons and listen to naughty rock music. > Again, where (links) would you suggest I go to find a pov about the Ill that corresponds to your take on who they are and their actual size, history & purposes? I don't believe in the "Illuminati". Nothing in my direct experience of ritual abuse, or work with survivors, or study of history or sociology or psychology or criminology, suggests that such a group does exist, or could exist. People can't come to grips with the fact that ritual abuse is a part of our culture and our history and always has been. When they find out that ritual abuse occurs in all countries around the globe, they try to 'explain' it by inventing a great big shadowy evil organisation.

by ir » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:46 am

Don't know about that term, precisely, but the similarity in methods and content of programs supports the notion of an international group behind some of it. -- Many survivors ends up being treated by religious therapists/groups, it happened to me as well, and then the religious patterns sort of "take over", but in my opinion this is not full recovery. It is better than remaining in the abusive context ofcourse, but in many victims there is "getting stuck" in a very extreme type of rleigious groups. This keeps the "high pressure" and need for "high meaning" that was created in the first place. I still think this is a proper solution for many survivors, and there is a lot of support in those nutti religious communities and safety as well. The civil society hasn't come up with proper responses, regretfully. --- I believe the techniques for splitting and programming children are like mechandise, in the international crime market, so it would make sense that they seem replicated and point to an international cult.

by **StarmanSkye** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:22 am

WoW-- Great head's up, heyjt -- verrrry interesting, re: Gaghjan had to tone-down the movie's realism to keep it believeable. I gotta see this movie -- it should help provide context 'color' to the sometimes dry plodding through parapolitical text (like seeing the 'movie' version adds depth to an already fascinating novel). BTW: Were you referring to Robert Baer, the inspiration for Clooney's character? I only found reference to Charlie Rose interviewing Gaghan -- who nevertheless did much of his own Middle East research and met many noteable characters, ie. the Spiritual leader of Hezbollah. I found some info/comment links and a download of the interview below -- too bad I have a clunky dial-up. I'd like to find a transcript at least. Starman Syriana Movie Reviews: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365737/usercomments">www.imdb.com/title/tt0365...ercomments</a> *** <a href="http://www.kingwho.com/mobile/geargab.htm">www.kingwho.com/mobile/geargab.htm</a> December 10, 2005 Drilling for Oil My brother and I went to see Syriana today and then we rewatched the bittorrent of last night's Charlie Rose interview with Syriana's director and screenwriter Stephen Gaghan. The movie was really interesting and like his earlier movie Traffic nobody comes out of this looking good. The Charlie Rose interview had many things that I found just as interesting. The cast of shady oil men, lawyers, politicians, CIA, Middle Easterners that he met in real life to bring this fictional tale together made a story that was too unbelievable to be told. He actually had to tone down reality to make this story work. The only thing wrong with the interview was that Gaghan said the 70 percent of the worlds oil was in the hands of country's that the US is at war with. I don't think that is correct. I will dig in. If anyone else knows the truth to this please email me. Go see Syriana it will be one of the few smart movies of the season. But then again I haven't seen the Usher movie yet. **** Charlie Rose Interview with Syraina Director/Writer Steve Gaghan: 232 MB Torrent Download <a href="http://www.chomskytorrents.org/Torrents.php?Action=ChangePage&Page=3#">www.chomskytorrents.org/T...ge&Page=3#</a> (Lotta good movies and documentaries here!) **** <a href="http://affectedclapping.com/?p=166">affectedclapping.com/?p=166</a> A Great Interview »Stephen Gaghan I few days ago I saw Syriana. I liked it. Then I watched an interview with the writer/director on the Charlie Rose show, and was convinced that I had to go see this movie again. I obviously missed quite a bit. Gaghan is an educated man, and the stories he told, from meeting the spiritual leader of Hezbollah, to sitting around with a bunch of oil tycoons as they bet on which nation would be next to have an oil related coup d’etat, got my blood going and made me want to quit my job and travel the world doing thrill seeking shit. And reading more about the middle east. And about American foreign policy. And european foreign policy for that matter (when we had an embargo against Iraq in the mid-nineties most of europe was cashing in on our principles–they didn’t give a shit). Anyway, he’s posted a short “blog” entry, which you can read here: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20051208/cm_huffpost/011870;_ylt=A86.I2yR05dDzBwA0Qb9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA">news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost...bnN1YmNhdA</a> -- It barely scratches the surface. For an interesting interview with Bob Baer (George Clooney’s character), check out this site: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/interviews/baer.html">www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fr.../baer.html</a> *** Syriana Movie Spoiler: <a href="http://www.themoviespoiler.com/Spoilers/syriana.html">www.themoviespoiler.com/S...riana.html</a> *** <a href="http://thestressblog.com/2005/12/12/syriana/">thestressblog.com/2005/12/12/syriana/</a> In the new flick “Syriana”, a character gives a speech which is quickly working its way into the lexicon of great movie speeches. It happens to be about oil and corruption. Having read it, I’m still not sure what to make of it, especially given that I haven’t seen the flick. At any rate, here it is; Danny: Some trust fund prosecutor, got off-message at Brown, thinks he’s gonna run this up the flagpole, make a name for himself, maybe get elected some two-bit, no-name congressman from nowhere, with the result that Russia or China can suddenly start having, at our expense, all the advantages we enjoy here. No, I tell you. No, sir. (mimics prosecutor) “But, Danny, these are sovereign nations.” Sovereign nations! What is a sovereign nation, but a collective of greed run by one individual? “But, Danny, they’re codified by the U.N. charter!” Legitimized gangsterism on a global basis that has no more validity than an agreement between the Crips and the Bloods! (Beat) … Corruption charges. Corruption? Corruption ain’t nothing more than government intrusion into market efficiencies in the form of regulation. That’s Milton Friedman. He got a goddamn Nobel Prize. We have laws against it precisely so we can get away with it. Corruption is our protection. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are prancing around here instead of fighting each other for scraps of meat out in the streets. (Beat) Corruption … is how we win. Posted by Brandon

by **televisionchild** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:57 pm

Now back to our topic... Being a newbie to this subject Biao, I find your skepticism about a worldwide organized bunch refreshing, particularly your last two sentences: "I don't believe in the "Illuminati". Nothing in my direct experience of ritual abuse, or work with survivors, or study of history or sociology or psychology or criminology, suggests that such a group does exist, or could exist. People can't come to grips with the fact that ritual abuse is a part of our culture and our history and always has been. When they find out that ritual abuse occurs in all countries around the globe, they try to 'explain' it by inventing a great big shadowy evil organisation." One thing Svali discussed was how the Mafia once was denied as having any globally organized reality, much in the way the Illuminati are today. Also, a tiny bit of online digging yesterday brought me here: <a href="http://illuminati-order.com/">illuminati-order.com/</a> Of course, I suppose it could be a hoax, but it does seem --to me anyway -- to appear legit. Curious what you think about it anyway. Thanks for all your candid thoughts (and food for thought).

by **professorpan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:53 pm

The website is clearly a joke.

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