Trayvon Martin

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby General Patton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:56 pm

8bitagent wrote:
General Patton wrote:
Nordic wrote:
General Patton wrote:Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html



That could be anything. Could be a scar. Who knows?

It doesn't matter anyway, I hope Trayvon beat the crap out of him before he was fucking murdered.


Have you read the police report? Sanford Fire Department medics cleaned him up before the booking video. It specifically said he was treated on site. Which means that in the event of a trial the medics can testify, along with several of the officers, who could be seen inspecting his head in the booking videos.


The audio analysis is complex, the phone was inside of a house and the act of screaming reduces the ability to create a perfect match, especially in light of there being no sample of Trayvon to compare it too. Only one of the audio experts actually used software, the one that his company created.


Either way, just from what Martin's girlfriend said and from Zimmerman and the 911 operator's own dialogue exchange we've all heard, it was Trayvon who had the "stand your ground" right away.

Just speculating on all this is what they want, when we have a court of law for such things. Zimmerman's lawyers can say the jury was tainted as he was convicted in the public's mind.

We've reached this point where even the President of the United states can have American citizens 'taken care of' if he doesn't like them. Used to be they wouldn't announce stuff like that, and they'd just wetwork or 'accident/suicide/random crime victim' someone. President doesn't like someone's "extremist youtube vlogs", he'll order a missile down their chimney like that New Mexican cleric.



Could you elaborate on Florida stand your ground laws?
штрафбат вперед
User avatar
General Patton
 
Posts: 959
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:24 pm

General Patton wrote:
8bitagent wrote:
General Patton wrote:
Nordic wrote:
General Patton wrote:Trayvon Martin Case: Enhanced Police Video Shows Injuries On George Zimmerman's Head
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 97022.html



That could be anything. Could be a scar. Who knows?

It doesn't matter anyway, I hope Trayvon beat the crap out of him before he was fucking murdered.


Have you read the police report? Sanford Fire Department medics cleaned him up before the booking video. It specifically said he was treated on site. Which means that in the event of a trial the medics can testify, along with several of the officers, who could be seen inspecting his head in the booking videos.


The audio analysis is complex, the phone was inside of a house and the act of screaming reduces the ability to create a perfect match, especially in light of there being no sample of Trayvon to compare it too. Only one of the audio experts actually used software, the one that his company created.


Either way, just from what Martin's girlfriend said and from Zimmerman and the 911 operator's own dialogue exchange we've all heard, it was Trayvon who had the "stand your ground" right away.

Just speculating on all this is what they want, when we have a court of law for such things. Zimmerman's lawyers can say the jury was tainted as he was convicted in the public's mind.

We've reached this point where even the President of the United states can have American citizens 'taken care of' if he doesn't like them. Used to be they wouldn't announce stuff like that, and they'd just wetwork or 'accident/suicide/random crime victim' someone. President doesn't like someone's "extremist youtube vlogs", he'll order a missile down their chimney like that New Mexican cleric.



Could you elaborate on Florida stand your ground laws?



I think someone mentioned it meant you dont have to be on your property or running away if someone is trying to start a fight or something. Its been evoked a lot since the ruling

But Im just curious why the media isnt running with with stories of cops killing unarmed black civilians, like this new one


Now then, some on more right leaning sites are claiming that the media is completely distorting what really occurred.


They also claim that the media edited the full Zimmerman audio, stating Zimmerman had agreed to stop following him, was back at his car and then minutes later Trayvon attacked him. Im just not sure the timeline/evidence fits that.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:41 pm

If this unplanned domestic incident is a trial balloon as a sort of manipulated social experiment...my god...can you imagine what some REALLY horrific out of leftfield. event would do to America?

"We're now getting more descriptions of the apparent lone wolf neo Nazi who has forever, changed the course of American history...back to you Pat".

Someone in a decision making capacity wants to intentionally stoke the paranoia of both the gun loving tea party right wing AND the black inner cities.
Last edited by 8bitagent on Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby General Patton » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:10 pm

8bitagent wrote:If this unplanned domestic incident is a tribal balloon as a sort of manipulated social experiment...my god...can you imagine what some REALLY horrific out of leftfield. event would do to America?

"We're now getting more descriptions of the apparent lone wolf neo Nazi who has forever, changed the course of American history...back to you Pat".

Someone in a decision making capacity wants to intentionally stoke the paranoia of both the gun loving tea party right wing AND the black inner cities.


Yeah it's weird, a neo-nazi hacker named klankannon hacked Trayvon's twitter/email/fb, that's how they got the smear materials against him.

Re: Zimmerman following him:

Listen from 2:15 to 3:00.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav

"Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?

Zimmerman: George…He ran."


His breathing is obviously labored until he says "He ran", after that he gives his last name and phone number and answers some more questions.

That would seem to support it, however I don't know if any of the witnesses corroborate it. This thing is just getting so mixed up in the headlines.


http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.
...

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3pIfatSSS0
Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested.

Martin's girlfriend had said in a recording obtained exclusively by ABC News that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman "why are your following me, and then the man asked, what are you doing around here." She then heard a scuffle break out and the line went dead.



Edited to add this:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/02/zimmerman-family-member-calls-naacp-racists-says-there-will-be-blood-on-your-hands-if-george-is-hurt/#ixzz1quqy1Hza
The letter also described how Zimmerman was one of “very few” in Sanford, Fla., who spoke out publicly to condemn the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on December 4, 2010 by the son of a Sanford police officer.”

“Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would?” the family member wrote. “Do you know who spent tireless hours putting flyers on the cars of persons parked in the churches of the black community? Do you know who waited for the church‐goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? Do you know who helped organize the City Hall meeting on January 8th, 2011 at Sanford City Hall??”
штрафбат вперед
User avatar
General Patton
 
Posts: 959
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:38 pm

We're getting the most bizarre and brazen case of "Trial by Media" that I've ever seen in my life. To me its the most disturbing thing about this and I can't help but think its deliberate.

This is setting a precedent, and once again is cementing the notion that you can believe whatever you WANT to believe and that whatever it is, its right. Because you believe it.

It's also promulgating the notion that we don't need due process any more, that life is now a reality show and that's okay.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Nordic
 
Posts: 14230
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:36 am
Location: California USA
Blog: View Blog (6)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:45 pm

I'd say we're seeing the institutionalization of those trends. They've been coming for a long time....CourtTV has been around since 1991! COPS is marching towards their 1000th episode.

Agreed that this is a fucking remarkable synthesis to watch, though. 8bit was discussing the psyops aspects of this in another thread -- I find the notion this entire debacle has been staged pretty hard to swallow, but watching how different outlets and operators have spun the event has been illuminating. Not because they're doing anything new or innovative, but simply because the technique is so sausage-fingers overt now.

In a few weeks, I hope to have enough free time to eat a few tabs and think about where all this is headed.
User avatar
Wombaticus Rex
 
Posts: 10896
Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:33 pm
Location: Vermontistan
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:35 am

I don't think that the incident that started this whole thing was staged. That's HMW territory. But since it was discovered by the PTB I think its being played quite deliberately, and we're all being victimized by it at this point, and we will as long as Zimmerman isn't arrested. At this point its been completely hijacked by the social engineers and I'm sure the PTB's are interfering -- what day, exactly, did the FBI get involved?
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Nordic
 
Posts: 14230
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:36 am
Location: California USA
Blog: View Blog (6)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:36 am

No surprise, Mr Florida himself is weighing in big time with a different take of sunny Sanford
http://www.madcowprod.com/

Nordic wrote:We're getting the most bizarre and brazen case of "Trial by Media" that I've ever seen in my life. To me its the most disturbing thing about this and I can't help but think its deliberate.

This is setting a precedent, and once again is cementing the notion that you can believe whatever you WANT to believe and that whatever it is, its right. Because you believe it.

It's also promulgating the notion that we don't need due process any more, that life is now a reality show and that's okay.



Ive seen your posts in this thread Nordic, and I have to say spot on. It IS bizarre...because it's this blank suggestive canvas. It's not like the old 2000's where you had Fox news and others stirring the WMD and anti Joe Wilson pot. Here it seems to also be the more mainline liberal networks feeding the public what they want.

My gut feeling tells me Zimmerman isnt a racist, and that when you go to get candy at a store, you should end up home safely. Otherwise Im still trying to wrap my head around this. Thats why I created a thread comparing Twin Lakes to Twin Peaks...because it does feel surreal. Ive been so so many areas that look exactly like Twin Lakes neighborhood and the whole Sanford area.

BEFORE, it has always, always been a trial. Casey Anthony, Menendez bros, Bobbit, OJ, Amanda Knox, etc etc etc. Here theres no trial. Its edited and manufactured evidence to push us to either side. Edited phone calls, edited videos, edited pictures of both guys.

I just fear these sort of events are used to pipe in extreme primal emotion to both the fringes and various sides of the American experience.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:44 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I'd say we're seeing the institutionalization of those trends. They've been coming for a long time....CourtTV has been around since 1991! COPS is marching towards their 1000th episode.

Agreed that this is a fucking remarkable synthesis to watch, though. 8bit was discussing the psyops aspects of this in another thread -- I find the notion this entire debacle has been staged pretty hard to swallow, but watching how different outlets and operators have spun the event has been illuminating. Not because they're doing anything new or innovative, but simply because the technique is so sausage-fingers overt now.

In a few weeks, I hope to have enough free time to eat a few tabs and think about where all this is headed.


Oh not staged at all. I definitely am not of the Godlikeproductions forum realm of thinking, where everything from Earthquakes to every little thing is a staged event. I do admit to taking an interest in the Goro/Kotze-esque view that a lot of events have synchronistic interpretation and a kind of sick joke for those to see. Like the syncs with the Giffords shooting, or the Cory Lidle 2006 crash for example. I think Jeff has written a few mindeffer blog posts about that moment you're on a plane and the guy sitting next to you has the last name of the street you grew up on and vice versa.

But even if something isnt deliberate(like Katrina), boy can it be used to shape emotions and much deeper interests. No matter how much we talk about 9/11, war, big brother, etc...America has always been about racial tension I feel. In pouring through known and unknown history it's just this ugly theme that keeps popping up and keeps popping up.

Synthesis is the perfect word. We're at this point in life where twitter and smart phones are on par with nuclear weapons in the course of changing the world.
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:48 am

Nordic wrote:I don't think that the incident that started this whole thing was staged. That's HMW territory. But since it was discovered by the PTB I think its being played quite deliberately, and we're all being victimized by it at this point, and we will as long as Zimmerman isn't arrested. At this point its been completely hijacked by the social engineers and I'm sure the PTB's are interfering -- what day, exactly, did the FBI get involved?


This crap always happens. Crowley/Gates, the BART cop incident, all the 90's unarmed black victims of a hail of bullets.

It's interesting to note that Zimmerman went out of his way to bring attention to the death of a black homeless person. We hear a lot of conspiracy talk of his dad having the Florida state attorney come down to meet with the chief of police and lead investigator to squash this whole thing, or previously to get assaulting a cop brought down to a misdemeanor. Or to poo poo the domestic abuse cases. But if its true Zimmerman worked hard to highlight the killing of a homeless black individual, then I think that shows a different dimension

I recently saw this documentary called "Superheroes" about people who put on capes and masks and go out of their way looking for what they perceive as criminals walking the street. Even where there are none.

But its sickening to see the race baiting going on from all angles and the way in which emotions are manipulated. Someone has an interest in pushing the buttons of Black America and (fringe) right wing White America, and seeing "where it will go".
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby General Patton » Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:06 am

It should also be noted that GZ mentored two black children, as claimed by his father.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/tr ... -interview
штрафбат вперед
User avatar
General Patton
 
Posts: 959
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:57 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:15 am

Was Santorum about to call President Obama the n-word?



http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/248160 ... ACP-reacts

I'm posting this as I feel it's relevant to the climate that's going on
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:51 am

8bitagent wrote:Was Santorum about to call President Obama the n-word?


Yes, yes he was. There aren't too many words that begin with "nig".
"If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing." - Malcolm X
User avatar
AlicetheKurious
 
Posts: 5348
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:20 am
Location: Egypt
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby Nordic » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:58 am

8bitagent wrote:BEFORE, it has always, always been a trial. Casey Anthony, Menendez bros, Bobbit, OJ, Amanda Knox, etc etc etc. Here theres no trial.


Yeah, that's what's so disturbingly bizarre about this one. They sorta skipped a very important part.
"He who wounds the ecosphere literally wounds God" -- Philip K. Dick
Nordic
 
Posts: 14230
Joined: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:36 am
Location: California USA
Blog: View Blog (6)

Re: Trayvon Martin

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:09 am

Nordic wrote:
8bitagent wrote:BEFORE, it has always, always been a trial. Casey Anthony, Menendez bros, Bobbit, OJ, Amanda Knox, etc etc etc. Here theres no trial.


Yeah, that's what's so disturbingly bizarre about this one. They sorta skipped a very important part.


There is a bit of a mindfuckery feeling with how we're getting dual interpretative "puzzle pieces" these days, since they have chosen to make this their main story for the time being.
The advent of celebrities tweeting to millions home addresses, political leaders talking about "taking matters in their own hands" with a wink and a nod...even if it turns out Zimmerman is a liar,
this is just scary stuff that only serves to ratchet up the heightened tension.

It's been 44 years since the period of 1968, and I wonder if the nation as a whole is really that far removed from the charged climate of that time(for better or worse. I do see some similarities between the youth in chicago for the dnc and the occupy kids of today. As well as things that could lead to watts 2.0)
"Do you know who I am? I am the arm, and I sound like this..."-man from another place, twin peaks fire walk with me
User avatar
8bitagent
 
Posts: 12244
Joined: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:49 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 154 guests