Trayvon Martin

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This is a quick note thats actually OT

"It was a 9/11 dispatcher..."

Its actually 911 the phone number, not 9/11 the date. Tho its easy to see how the two have become interchangeable.
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Very important point on "911" vs "9/11." Thanks, Joe.
Use your critical thinking to prevent integrating psyops into your language and thinking.

[General Patton]

Yeah, that is where a copy of the poster was. So I looked at it, now it is possible they changed it cos they realised "wanted dead or alive" was a bad look, but its equally as likely that a poster bearing the words "reward 10, 000 for the legal citizens arrest" of someone would turned by to "wanted dead or alive" by a media that as you say, are manipulating the situation for their gain.

I've also read an interview with someone from the NBPP who was at pains to point out the reward was offered under what are sposed to be constitutional rights and protections for Americans.

Yes, the issue is the dead or alive part. The photos of the flyer exist, and the statement we have from them is saying "Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth". There was no denial that I know of. And they have a history, if you read the link.

Thats right. Just as an aside, going up to someone, hassling them for doing legitimate stuff, then getting punched in the mouth isn't a basis for for shooting someone either

Absolutely and that's not what happened. Witnesses, again, say Trayvon was on top of him when the shooting occured. The injuries were documented by Sanford Fire Department and Police Department.

Just cos you're a self appointed busy body does not mean you have the right to be able to question people who are going about their business

I need you to cite a law that says that asking a question is illegal. What basis do you have for this? Zimmerman was encouraged by locals to be a watchman.

http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_st ... -residents
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee confirmed that crime is up as the economy continues to sputter. From April through June, more than 300 burglaries and 400 thefts have been reported in the city.“We’ve got a significant problem with burglaries and thefts,” Lee stated.
And no one is immune, he said, adding that he himself has been a victim of crime.

But the answer does not lie solely with law enforcement, Chief Lee explained. Combating crime requires the assistance of everyone in the community.“The police officers can’t do it all by themselves. We need your eyes and ears to let us know when things are going on,” the chief said. “It truly is a partnership.”
…
“The public needs to call us if they see anything suspicious. When you see something that doesn’t look right, call us out there,” he said. Citizens must avoid making it easy for criminals, he added. One homeowner had a boat parked on his property near the alley, with little thought given to security. Eventually, thieves stole an expensive fish-finder device from the boat.

Well I'm of the opinion that race relations in the US are pretty bad, and that one group - black americans - feel even more alienated since a non white guy became president. Whatever tea bagging wankers might say about "taking their country back." (That kind of says it all really about whose country it is.)

I understand that, and any kind of serious communication is essentially impossible if you write people off with condescension. Have you seen the comments on these articles? As I said before, there is a massive shift in perspective going on, if liberals cannot offer constructive criticism it's going to get even further out of hand.

Edit: To make my point clear - if you dismiss them entirely you concede the debate to the government and the alt-right. The Government is looking for excuses to crack down on people, the alt-right is more than willing to engage people who don't agree with them entirely. This idea of burying this behind a few shaming words isn't going to make the problem go away, all you do is cede ground to your ideological opponents.

[Joe Hillshoist]

The photos of the flyer exist, and the statement we have from them is saying "Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth".

Yeah they do, (or someone made some up) so that obviously didn't help. None the less I can still understand the sentiment behind that action. I dunno if I appprove or not.

Absolutely and that's not what happened. Witnesses, again, say Trayvon was on top of him when the shooting occured. The injuries were documented by Sanford Fire Department and Police Department.

There is conflicting testimony in this case with some people claiming Zimmerman was on top of Martin when he shot him. You are relying on one eyewitness who commented to the media. So right now what happened is in question, however if a fight ensued and Zimmerman lost that isn't necessarily martin's fault is it.

I need you to cite a law that says that asking a question is illegal. What basis do you have for this? Zimmerman was encouraged by locals to be a watchman.

By some locals. You're assuming he asked a question. Perhaps he asked a question was ignored then initiated contact with Martin. No one has provided evidence saying that didn't happen. In fact some evidence suggests martin asked Zimmerman why he was following him first and Zimmerman refused to answer before a scuffle broke out, which suggests Zimmerman initiated the contact and wasn't acting in good faith.

I understand that, and any kind of serious communication is essentially impossible if you write people off with condescension. Have you seen the comments on these articles? As I said before, there is a massive shift in perspective going on, if liberals cannot offer constructive criticism it's going to get even further out of hand.

I'm not following all that. What articles? What shift in perpsective. What?

[General Patton]

Yes, there are some conflicting accounts but there is also more than one witness who says Trayvon was on top. The trial should work those details, and we'll see if the prosecution has a hidden witness.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000239#.T3pIfatSSS0
Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested.

Martin's girlfriend had said in a recording obtained exclusively by ABC News that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman "why are your following me, and then the man asked, what are you doing around here." She then heard a scuffle break out and the line went dead.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.
...

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

This is what I am referring too:

CNN's making hay with this now...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/assault/videotaped-baltimore-street-beating-879234

Look at the comments on that link. Massive shift in the perspective. Thankfully it's not overtly inflammatory.

yeah, the comments are almost universally disgusting and pathetic over-generalization, knee-jerk halfwit responses. That's the majority of the US population, in a nut shell, always eager to jump on any train going by. I look at comments like that, increasingly NOT-anonymous, and I really have to wonder, what good can possibly come from this population? They don't seem to understand ANYTHING. America is rapidly becoming one big no-win situation.

After this Derbyshire released that article that got him canned from the National Review - where he hypothecially tells his children to avoid black people except for a small minority which he deems not a threat.:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34445

Combined with the racist murders/attacks that were mentioned in the previous pages of this thread.

While the general public is much more comfortable taking up racist view points, the main focus is of running away from it, rather than working out the problem. The economy will go to shit by 2018. Whites will not be able to run away from the problem then, if no one lays the groundwork for something constructive then violence is likely. So far the government's solution has been primarily to imprison people, particularly black males. The crime rate for blacks is exponentially higher than any other group, even when hispanics and whites are lumped into the same offender categories. We have a situation where in less than 15 years the prison population doubled. There are too many young males, of every color, who are alienated from their host culture.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/713/blacks-hispanics
But some differences begin to emerge when blacks and Hispanics are asked how well the two groups get along. A majority of blacks (70%), but a smaller share of Hispanics (57%), say the groups get along very or fairly well. At the same time, Hispanics are significantly more likely than blacks to say that inter-group relations are strained (30% vs. 18%). Whites are roughly equally divided, with nearly four-in-10 (39%) saying that blacks and Hispanics get along well, 32% saying they do not, while nearly as many express no opinion

[Marie Laveau]

Hispanics are significantly more likely than blacks to say that inter-group relations are strained (30% vs. 18%).

Yes, and when you skew the results by polling mostly anti-Castro Cubans in Florida, that's how you get those kinds of stats.

Work with stats everyday. So easy to skew. So easy.

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Mark Twain

You hear that quote, but until you see it in action....it's pretty incredible. When you have Cronbach alpha, varimax rotation, MANOVA, ANOVA, blah, blah, blah, blah fucking blah....I don't believe much of any "study" or "poll" at all.

[General Patton]

Hispanics are significantly more likely than blacks to say that inter-group relations are strained (30% vs. 18%).

Yes, and when you skew the results by polling mostly anti-Castro Cubans in Florida, that's how you get those kinds of stats.

Work with stats everyday. So easy to skew. So easy.

"Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Mark Twain

You hear that quote, but until you see it in action....it's pretty incredible. When you have Cronbach alpha, varimax rotation, MANOVA, ANOVA, blah, blah, blah, blah fucking blah....I don't believe much of any "study" or "poll" at all.

I don't think it's that easy to explain away.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/us/02 ... wanted=all
The Chinese who had gathered at San Francisco’s City Hall — several hundred of them, chanting and waving bilingual placards under a persistent drizzle — were mad. Their words and signs said they felt under attack, vulnerable, unheard by the police, city officials and even their own community leaders.

Amanze Emenike, 21, and his sister, Sherry Blunt, 22, talked openly about why they had singled out Asians for robberies.
Their grievances included these in March: An 83-year old Chinese man beaten to death by five boys on a Bayview street and a 57-year-old woman injured after being thrown off a Third Street Muni platform. On April 16, two teenagers in Oakland assaulted Tian Sheng Yu, a 59-year-old Chinese immigrant, in broad daylight. A punch knocked him to the ground; the fall killed him.

Tammy Tan, the executive director of the Asian Pacific American Community Center, watched as Chinese leaders took up the megaphone to vent their fury in lilting Cantonese tones.

But something hung in midair, unspoken.

“We recommend our staff not to say it,” Ms. Tan said, looking over the crowd. “We don’t want to escalate with African-Americans, so we don’t say it.” Then she turned and faced a reporter. “But it is racial,” she said. “That’s fact.”

http://www.thegrio.com/news/new-york-bias-attacks-highlight-tensions-between-blacks-hispanics.php
NEW YORK (AP) -- When Rodolfo Olmedo was dragged down by a group of men shouting anti-Mexican epithets and bashed over the head with a wooden stick on the street outside his home, he instinctively covered his face to keep from getting disfigured. Blood filled his mouth.
"I wanted to scream, but I couldn't because of the beating they were giving me," said the 25-year-old baker. Nearly five months later, he is still taking pain medications for his head injuries.
Recorded by a store's surveillance camera, the assault was the first of 11 suspected anti-Hispanic bias attacks in a Staten Island neighborhood, re-igniting years-old tensions between blacks and Hispanics in New York City's most remote borough.
Residents of Port Richmond -- where an influx of newcomers from Latin America over the past decade has transformed the community -- alternately blame the attacks on the economy, unemployment and the debate over Arizona's immigration law.
And although most of the suspects were described as young black men and investigated for bias crimes, a grand jury has indicted only one of seven people arrested on a hate-crime charge.
But Isaias Lozano, a day laborer, said he knows why he was attacked and robbed in December by "morenos" -- the Spanish word he uses to describe his black neighbors.
"They hate us because we're Mexicans," he said while sitting at El Centro del Inmigrante, a center for immigrant day workers. "They aren't robbing just anybody."

http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/10120/1054321-109.stm
If you live in or near Philadelphia, you know about the brutal December attacks on Asian students at a local high school. Seven kids were hospitalized with injuries sustained mostly at the hands of African-American students, who beat Asians in classrooms, hallways, the cafeteria and the streets outside the school.

But the incident has barely registered outside of southeastern Pennsylvania, generating a few wire stories and little else. To understand why, try a thought experiment: Imagine the victims were black and the attackers white, or the other way around.

The whole nation -- indeed, the whole world -- would know about it. The president would go on TV to denounce the episode and demand a speedy remedy. Members of Congress would eagerly join in, competing with each other to condemn the racism in our midst. And hordes of reporters would descend on the school to seek the inside scoop.

But hey, it was Asian kids getting beaten. And the attackers were black, remember, and we don't expect a lot from them.

There's plenty of racism to go around here, and not just at the school where the melee took place. It's all around us, and in the double standard that we use to judge events like this one.

Sadly, the behavior of African-American students at the school fits neatly into media-fed stereotypes of black hoodlums, drug dealers and gangbangers. You can see these images wherever you look, from movies and TV dramas to advertisements and music videos. So if we see it in real life, we shrug; it's what "they" do.

In fact, the vast majority of "them" don't. Yet when we refrain from criticizing black troublemakers as loudly as miscreants of other races, we reinforce the idea that African-Americans are somehow prone to such acts. What could be more racist than that?

Here's some more:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... a-blackout
Prudhomme was murdered because he identified himself as black (he was in fact mixed-race) in a neighborhood occupied by one of the many Latino street gangs in Los Angeles County. Incredibly, even though these gangs are fundamentally criminal enterprises interested mainly in money, gang experts inside and outside the government say that they are now engaged in a campaign of "ethnic cleansing" -- racial terror that is directed solely at African Americans.

"The way I hear these knuckleheads tell it, they don't want their neighborhoods infested with blacks, as if it's an infestation," says respected Los Angeles gang expert Tony Rafael, who interviewed several Latino street gang leaders for an upcoming book on the Mexican Mafia, the dominant Latino gang in Southern California. "It's pure racial animosity that manifests itself in a policy of a major criminal organization."

"There's absolutely no motive absent the color of their skin," adds former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Michael Camacho. Before he became a judge, in 2003, Camacho successfully prosecuted a Latino gang member for the random shootings of three black men in Pomona, Calif.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

When the cop who shot Kenneth Chamberlain was named on Democracy Now....another cop story was published with almost the exact same name on LA Times and National Propaganda Radio.

A long standing psyops tradition regarding cops and blacks that goes back even before detective Thom Gilligan did his bad deed.

[seemslikeadream]

FBI seeks to charge George Zimmerman with hate crime

SANFORD, Fla. —

WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious.

State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime.

Zimmerman admitted to killing Martin in February during a confrontation. However, he claims the shooting was in self-defense. He's facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole.

In the meantime, FBI investigators are actively questioning witnesses in the retreat at the Twin Lakes neighborhood, seeking evidence for a possible federal hate crime charge.

Martin was unarmed when he was shot to death, police said, and some accuse Zimmerman of targeting the teenager solely because of the color of his skin.

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said federal prosecutors would have to prove the hate crime to charge Zimmerman, though.

“What the government would have to prove is that Mr. Zimmerman acted out of hatred toward African-Americans. That's why he came into contact with him. That's why he shot and killed him.”

Sheaffer said a federal hate crime murder charge could bring more serious consequences than the second-degree murder charge Zimmerman faces now.

“Mr. Zimmerman could be punished by up to life in prison or even the death penalty,” said Sheaffer.

Zimmerman said he used deadly force in self-defense after Martin punched him, knocked him to the ground and repeatedly slammed his head against a sidewalk.

Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, said he has yet to receive the first delivery of documents revealing the details of the prosecution's evidence against his client, but it could come at any time.

Prosecutors are required to release that information to the defense and the public

However, O'Mara, wants Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to keep some of the key evidence, especially witness statements, out of the public eye by writing a motion to keep it sealed.

O'Mara posted a statement on Zimmerman's website that said, "We doubt any of them (witnesses) enjoy the scrutiny they are under due to the coincidence of their involvement in such a high-profile matter."

[8bitagent]

When the cop who shot Kenneth Chamberlain was named on Democracy Now....another cop story was published with almost the exact same name on LA Times and National Propaganda Radio.

A long standing psyops tradition regarding cops and blacks that goes back even before detective Thom Gilligan did his bad deed.

Have you uncovered anything relating to Terrence Yeakey? A lot of your specific field of research seems to draw a lot from the civil rights/cointelpro era, so it wouldn't surprise me if decades later some of the same crap is going on.

[seemslikeadream]

Trayvon Martin Witness Believes 'He Intended for This Kid to Die'

By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) and SENI TIENABESO (@senijr_abc)
May 18, 2012

A closer look at the witness statements and audio testimony taken in the immediate aftermath Trayvon Martin's death provides the first insight into George Zimmerman's behavior after he shot the unarmed teen.

A man listed as witness 13 was one of the first people to approach Zimmerman minutes after the shooting. He saw him bleeding from the back of the head and nose. Zimmerman asked the unidentified man to call his wife for him.

"Let her know what's happening, been involved in a shooting and will be held for questioning," the witness told the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. "He was more like, talking like he was having a hard time, looked like he just got his butt whipped ... not like he was in shock, not like, 'I can't believe I just shot someone,' but like, 'Just tell my wife I just shot someone,' like it was nothing."

A woman identified as witness 5 walked out of her home after hearing the altercation to find Zimmerman standing over Martin's body. She said she asked him what was going on and he curtly said just, "Call the police."
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The woman told police that Zimmerman, 28, examined Martin's body as he slowly paced back and forth when the police arrived. She watched as they checked the teen's body and turned him over, eventually starting CPR. But he was already dead for five or 10 minutes, she said.

"I do honestly feel that he intended for this kid to die," witness 5 told investigators. "If you're in self defense, shoot him in the leg. He's a 17-year-old, scrawny little kid. You get into a physical fight with him. ... I think the kid was running for help."

Zimmerman is charged with second degree murder for the Feb. 26 killing.

Martin was in Sanford, Fla., while serving a suspension from his Miami school for being caught with an empty marijuana bag. At the time of the shooting, he was staying at the home of his father's girlfriend. An autopsy found THC, the intoxicating chemical in marijuana, was in his system.

At 7:11 that night, Zimmerman, a member of the area's neighborhood watch, had called 911 to report a suspicious teenager. Minutes later, the police dispatcher told Zimmerman to stop follwing Martin. Moments later, Zimmerman got out of his car. That's when the two met and Martin was killed.

Zimmerman has claimed that when he shot the 6-foot, 160-pound teenager he was on his back and Martin was astride him pounding away.

The key problem facing investigators is an 80-second gap between the time Zimmerman hung up with police at 7:15 p.m. and when the first 911 calls from terrified neighbors began flooding in.

A man identified only as witness 6 told investigators that he heard a commotion coming from the walk behind his residence. He witnessed a black male wearing a dark-colored "hoodie" on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.

Police said the witness elaborated by saying the black man was mounted on Zimmerman and throwing punches "MMA" style, meaning mixed martial arts style. The witness stated that the man on the ground yelled out for help.

Witness 6 said he was going to call for police when he heard the "pop" of Zimmerman's gun.

"When I looked down, I saw the person that was on top was laying in my grass in a sprawled position," witness said. "Saw another guy with his hands in the air, saying, 'The gun's on the ground, I shot this guy in self-defense.'"
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Police said they believe Martin noticed he was being watched and "was in fact running generally in the direction of where he was staying as a guest of the neighborhood."

Multiple witnesses and injuries sustained corroborate Zimmerman's account that he was involved in a serious altercation with Martin, one that police say could have been avoided if he did not leave his car as directed by the 911dispatcher. The investigator said the tragedy was avoidable.

Witness 3 said the timing was terrible.

"I saw the police arrive. And they were literally like 5 seconds too late -- like right after the gun went off. Like, they were literally that, that, that short a distance late," the witness said

[seemslikeadream]

Judge revokes George Zimmerman's bond, orders him to surrender

By Michael Muskal

June 1, 2012, 1:08 p.m.

A Florida judge revoked the bail bond of George Zimmerman on Friday and ordered the man charged in the death of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin to surrender within 48 hours.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said Zimmerman had falsely represented his financial state when the $150,000 bond was set. Lester ruled at a hearing at which prosecutors requested that the bond be revoked because Zimmerman's finances had been misrepresented and because the defendant had not revealed that he had a second passport.

Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Martin, 17, in February. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, has admitted shooting Martin, an African American, but has insisted that he acted in self-defense during a confrontation at a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

Sanford police accepted Zimmerman’s claim and refused to charge him, leading to more than six weeks of racially charged protests.

Florida Gov. Rick Scott eventually appointed a special prosecutor, who brought the second-degree murder charge.

At his bail hearing on the murder charge, Zimmerman’s lawyers argued that the family had limited finances. Bond was eventually set at $150,000; Zimmerman posted it and was then released. He has been in seclusion, citing death threats.

According to a transcript of the April bond hearing, Zimmerman's wife testified that they had limited funds since she was a nursing student and Zimmerman was unemployed.

But it was later revealed that Zimmerman had raised more than $200,000 from a website the family set up to solicit contributions for the defense. That money was not disclosed during the bail hearing.

On Friday, prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda described the Zimmermans' testimony as false.

“This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny,” De la Rionda said. “It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie.”

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara argued that the omission was simply a misunderstanding.

But Lester sided with prosecutors. Zimmerman “can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods,” the judge said.

Zimmerman also surrendered his passport to authorities as a condition of being released. But in their papers, prosecutors said Zimmerman had a second passport which he still has. The second passport was a replacement for the first, which reportedly was lost.

[solace]

'Witness 9' tells prosecutors Zimmerman molested her for years

By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

2:20 p.m. EST, July 16, 2012


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A woman told authorities that while they were children, murder suspect George Zimmerman sexually molested her for a decade, according to prosecution records released today.

The woman, identified only as "witness 9," said the abuse started when she was six and ended when she was 16. Zimmerman, she said, is about two years older than her. Her accusation was a bombshell but likely would have no impact at Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial because it's not relevant, lawyers said.

It is part of a new set of evidence released Monday morning by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.

She today released witness 9's statement plus 120 recorded jail phone calls made by Zimmerman when he was in the Seminole County Jail.

In a statement released several weeks ago, witness 9 told Sanford police that Zimmerman does not like blacks. In the audio-recorded interview released today, she reiterated that but without providing specifics.

Zimmerman's family, she said, "don't like black people if they don't act like white people. They like black people if they act white."

Had she seen George Zimmerman act with hostility toward a black person, she was asked.

No, she said.

Defense attorneyMark O'Maramade a last-minute attempt to block the release of witness 9's statement as well as the jail calls. He filed a motion this morning at the Seminole County Courthouse, asking that they be delayed, but Corey's office released them anyway. A pending court order required their release.

Witness 9 told prosecutors the molestation began when she and Zimmerman, who is two years older than her, were young children. Her parents were moving to another state and she and her sister were sent to stay with Zimmerman's family in Virginia.

"We would all lay in front of the TV" to watch movies, she said, "and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things. … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older," she said.

He touched her improperly, she said, and at least once, when she was 12, forced her to touch him.

The last sexual encounter, she said, happened when she visited Zimmerman's family in Lake Mary. He directed her to lay on a bed and began to massage her, she said.

"I just got up and I ran out of the house and I got in my car," she said, adding that Zimmerman "only chased me to the front door."

She and her parents eventually confronted Zimmerman at an Orlando-area restaurant, she said. Zimmerman said he was sorry and left, she said....

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -zimmerman

[Jerky]

The "molestation" angle is disgusting and irrelevant. He was 11, 12, 13 years old. The family dealt with it. It should never have been made public.

As for saying Zimmerman's family only liked black people who "don't act black", that, to me, sounds like the person making the statement is more racist than the people they're talking about.

Jerky

[nashvillebrook]

The "molestation" angle is disgusting and irrelevant. He was 11, 12, 13 years old. The family dealt with it. It should never have been made public.

As for saying Zimmerman's family only liked black people who "don't act black", that, to me, sounds like the person making the statement is more racist than the people they're talking about.

Jerky

It's not quite theater, but it's along the same lines. The prosecution signaling to the defense that they're not going to get anywhere painting Zimmerman as "boy scout of the year" -- which, is clearly an angle the Sanford PD would like to deploy since they're up to their eyeballs in questionable defending of him. SPD would like to be able to say that the only reason they gave a guy like him so much slack is b/c he's the very portrait of upstanding citizenry. The prosecution wants them to know that they've gone ahead and went to the trouble of deposing witnesses who'll counter that narrative.

[Six Hits of Sunshine]

Sean Hannity Unable To Stop Smiling While Talking About Shooting Death Of Black Teen

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sean-h ... ing,28827/

Fox Denies Sean Hannity Offered to Pay for Zimmerman's Legal Fees