Steven Spielberg, Jennifer Love Hewitt and Diana Napolis

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:22 pm

"I am wondering how it would be humanly possible to be too obsessive in opposing the likes of Aquino." Obsessions can become unhealthy and damaging even if the object of attention is a deserving one. And the subject is so dark and runs so deep, and justice is so hard to find, I can easily see it overpowering a researcher's psyche. So I think we have to take care of ourselves to minimize the risk. This stuff can drive good people to the point of breakdown. That's my best assessment, at a distance, of what happened to Diana Napolis. But here's a more immediate example of what I mean by minimizing the risk to our psyches. About 10 days ago, just a couple of hours after I posted <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/04/what-dreams-may-come_28.html#comments">this</a>, around 8 am, the phone rang. My wife answered, and it was one of our calls with only electronic beeping. She also mentioned she saw a white van parked outside our house. (It was odd for her to note this, because she is so not given to paranoia.) Shortly after we suddenly lost our cable, both Internet and television, and the cable company couldn't see what the problem was. It returned on its own about 8 hours later. Now, what do I do with this little incident? If I internalize it, and presume there was some malice involved, I'm giving them power inside me, even if none of these elements were connected and there was no hidden hand. I've done that before, and I've found it a debilitating feedback loop without any benefit. I think Napolis might have gotten into a feedback loop and couldn't get out before it broke her.

by **Dreams End** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:23 pm

Well, roth, to risk a rare bit of agreement with you, my statement has nothing to do with the reality of her situation. Only that it could be true and it would still look nuts. That's why it's sad. I think, however, that she has had a mental break of some kind as the narrative itself doesn't completely make sense. I'm not blaming her...just explaining that this is the reality of how such a story will be received. Hava said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I took 7 cases, and analyzed their utterances/narrative in an alternative way. I didn't dare suggest MC etc., but I tried to show that this could be valid social critique of denied realities.<hr></blockquote> I'd LOVE it if you'd post that. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 5/8/06 10:33 pm

by **steve vegas** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>In court statements, Spielberg's staff members said they grew concerned after Napolis told them of plans to confront the director at a movie premiere. Napolis claimed in a 13-page manifesto that she believed Spielberg and his wife, Kate Capshaw, were part of a "satanic cult" that had implanted a microchip in her brain called a "soul catcher" that was controlling her. She allegedly believed the cult was operating out of Spielberg's basement.<hr></blockquote> From the same source, <a href="http://www.santabanta.com/newsmaker.asp?select=560">related story</a>. She's probably a little off but I'm still not convinced that Spielberg isn't part of a Satanic Cult. Though having read what a shlub he is in Peter Biskind's book Easy Riders, Raging Bulls...it's hard to imagine him involved in anything that interesting. I seem to be a little reactionary today, I suppose being overly emotional is a liability when reading this stuff.

by **biaothanatoi** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:56 pm

Hey RB, <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I was wondering what you meant. I googled for this 'Trans Psych' and it appears to be a routine subject.<hr></blockquote> Trans Psych is concerned with the "fourth dimension", "transcendent experiences" and so on. It's a way to pretend that New Age dogma is a science. It mimicks the rhetoric of psychology and "students" jump through similar hoops as others, but it's just role playing. I've read two masters/phd thesis in "transpersonal psychology" because they were concerned with ritual abuse. They would have made for bad undergrad essays, so to say that they didn't cut the mustard at a masters/doctoral level is an understatement eg One thesis undertook a survey of professionals who dealt in ritual abuse ... and proceeded to do a basic analysis ... with a sample size of 13. That's right. She got her doctorate after surveying 13 people. Academic standards aren't exactly high in the field of "transpersonal psychology". Why? Because it's not about academic standards. It's about advancing a spiritual agenda under the guise of an unrelated science, and that makes it extremely dubious in my book. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Also you stated "she was fairly obsessive in her attacks on Aquino". I'd be interested in any links or quotes you may have off hand.<hr></blockquote> You can track her comments through google's search engine on old newsgroups - it's all archived there. Just search for Curio Jones.

by **biaothanatoi** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I think Napolis might have gotten into a feedback loop and couldn't get out before it broke her.<hr></blockquote> Agreed. I've watched an RA advocate here go from the extremes of Napolis (electronic harrasment, agents everywhere, etc) to a much healthier place where she is happy, stable and her RA experiences are in context. That transition took place over a four year period, and the change in her worldview coincided with external factors like a move from poverty and fatigue to paid employment and support. She'd become so consumed by the RA cause that she was working for free, isolated, without assistance, etc. She became subject to blinding headaches and other (in my opinion) psychosomatic symptoms and she attributed some of these to electronic harrasment. As far as I'm concerned, if I was dealing with dozens of RA survivors, having my house broken into, my family threatened, child witnesses run down by cars, police lying and evidence disappearing etc ... I wouldn't need a high-tech beam from a satellite to give me a migraine! Now that she's found stable employment, better boundaries in her RA work, looking after herself and so on ... those extreme truth claims are gone. She's much easier to deal with and much more of an ally now then she was four years ago, which is really great. When your worldview is turned upside down, your brain can react with schizotypical symptoms. Symptoms like psychosomatic pain or hallucinations are not uncommon. It doesn't mean that all of Napolis work can't be trusted, or that she is "crazy" - it just means that she headed too far out on a limb and didn't get the chance to pull herself back in.

by **Project Willow** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:25 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I don't mean to criticize her. She was the first I know of to start trying to compile cases of SRA<hr></blockquote> Bingo! Here's another possible, albeit paranoid in it's own way, scenario. Take an ra/mc survivor who's been an activist and is collecting too much sensitive information. Bring her into the labs and program her to go after a few high profile celebrities, and in very ineffective and strange ways. Problem solved, end of activist. It's just a guess, and it's based on the assumption that most activists like this are survivors also. Non-survivor activists are a rarity, however welcome they are!

by **rothbardian** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:59 am

I don't quite see that she was 'clearly' crazy, in what she wrote, although that isn't the central issue for me. As much as I disagree with New Age stuff, her Trans Psychology degree wouldn't show her to be 'nuts', would it? I think there are a lot of New Age aficionados here at RI. DreamsEnd-- Geez, I don't know that it has to be such a great risk to be in agreement with little ol' me. I'm just a simple 'freedom' guy. I want freedom...freedom from the 'powers that be' and the 'powers that wannabe'. I would assume there is general agreement on that here, isn't there? As far as observing the reality of the world around us, isn't there general agreement that various evil psychopaths are attempting to gain world domination? Seems it wouldn't be difficult to stand shoulder-to-shoulder on an issue such as that. Anyway, from what 'biao' is saying about "Trans Psychology", maybe Napolis had (or has) slipped. I don't know. Still, I was originally just more interested in greater insights into the sinister activities of Hollywood VIPs. I'm with Steve Vegas, in that I'm inclined to think there is something to her complaints, incoherent or not. Hollywood is a sinister place-- There is the Scientology thing, with people like Travolta and Tom Cruise signing on to a philosophy/cult that is essentially the brain(grand)child of Satanist Aleister Crowley. I have also found it very sinister that there clearly is a body of knowledge lurking behind many of the scripts, books or movies, concerning mind control atrocities and child abuse (The Stepford Wives, Bourne Identity etc.)...but instead of 'outing' these evils, these people simply use it for entertainment. Not only is that psychopathic...it seems to be deliberately so. I notice this recent DVD release ("Aeon Flux") with Charlize Theron, has the Eye of Horus right smack on the cover. That's getting pretty blatant. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rothbardian>rothbardian</A> at: 5/8/06 11:02 pm

by **havanagilla** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:06 am

mother, yes san diego wreaks of something. Anyway, personally I formed a bad opinion due to the fact that my cousin, from an intel family settled there 20 yrs ago, with her american husband, a psychiatrist whose main field of research is hallucinogenic mushrooms used by first nations. there's also a fairly successful "Kabala Center" there...to boot. Just on a gut feeling, it doesn't smell good :-). I wouldn't recommend any place my extended family settled in...not many places, just a few cities in the USA. -- DE,re the paper, how is your hebrew improving ? I will try to get hold of a translation I once submitted to a special edition of a "critical psych" journal. I can't seem to find the editor, a Prof. Michael McCubbin (sp?) from regina u I think. They requested too many revisions for the publication, i dropped it. But perhaps they kept the rejects. -- Hollywood - from the little I saw, while I lived in LA and later, the place is sick. for some reason Spielberg is not the first suspect that comes to mind, but who knows. From the Israeli side, there was a guy called Arnon Milchen (sp?) who got rich and started being involved in movies i think. He always seemed problematic to me, and others like him.

by **professorpan** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Mr. Pan-- I'm not sure if it was intentional on your part (or if you simply are bouncing around this conversation board making quick comments) but you make a rather odd 'non-contribution' here. It's a bit difficult to interact very well with 'breezy dismissals'. I'm not quite sure how to respond to such. Anyway, I was still wondering about your response to my comments at the other thread. p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...41&stop=50 You had brought up the subjects of Titan vs. the Titanic...and the rapper CD cover depicting the WTC attack.<hr></blockquote> Sorry, I usually don't just post breezy dismissals. In this particular case, I looked into it closely long ago and came to the conclusion that Napolis was mentally ill. I read some stuff she had written and read about her trial, and that was my conclusion. I don't want to do the research again, and I didn't keep notes, but I was just offering my opinion (for those who even care). I'll try to be more specific in the future. And I answered your questions re: The Coup and the Titan/Titanic synchronicity on the thread in question.

by **FourthBase** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:28 pm

Can someone link the discussion of The Coup cover? They're coming to Boston soon, I might go see them.

by **professorpan** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:41 pm

Here's what I wrote in a previous thread: Another example: did the rap group The Coup have insider knowledge about the 9/11 attacks? Take a look at their very prescient album cover: www.snopes.com/rumors/thecoup.htm Sometimes art precedes reality. Those who require literal, Newtonian correspondences would say that The Coup were tipped off in advance, and were part of the NWO plot to stifle investigation into the real perps behind 9/11. Men in Black Suits visited their studio and convinced them to put the exploding WTC towers on their CD cover. It's all part of the plan. That, friends, is folly.

by **professorpan** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:52 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Trans Psych is concerned with the "fourth dimension", "transcendent experiences" and so on. It's a way to pretend that New Age dogma is a science.<hr></blockquote> Transpersonal psychology attempts to understand and document transcendent and spiritual experiences. While it might not be your bag, biao, Maslow, Grof, Wilber, Krippner, and others have presented theories and frameworks that many people find useful, not just New Agers.

by **FourthBase** » Tue May 09, 2006 1:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Sometimes art precedes reality. Those who require literal, Newtonian correspondences would say that The Coup were tipped off in advance, and were part of the NWO plot to stifle investigation into the real perps behind 9/11. Men in Black Suits visited their studio and convinced them to put the exploding WTC towers on their CD cover. It's all part of the plan. That, friends, is folly.<hr></blockquote> #1 - If they were tipped off, there is no reason to assume they were "part of the NWO plot to stifle investigation". Perhaps they were tipped off by someone wanting to stop the attack. Caricaturizations are not cool, Pan. You want to keep being "that guy"? Then fuck off elsewhere. #2 - "Those who require literal, Newtonian correspondences" is fucking dishonest. How about "Those who tend to believe that correspondences are probably more literal than extrasensory"? I'm open to the idea that Platonic memes of the attack were floating in the pre-9/11 mind-field. Yet that seems less likely than a simple tip-off. However, as opposed to the Lone Gunmen writers whom we know were using intel-military consultants, we have no idea if The Coup had any connections, sinister or not. Where is the link of the past discussion of this so that we don't hijack this thread?

by **rothbardian** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:42 am

FourthBase-- Here is the other thread. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=4086.topic&start=41&stop=51">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...41&stop=51</a> Among other things, Pan was stating categorically that the rapper CD cover depicting the WTC attack was ONLY a coincidence. I was saying to him that since many people knew about the attack before it happened (the perpetrators knew!) there wouldn't neccessarily be anything extraordinary about the CD cover. What if the 'powers that be' wanted to have a little 'insider' bragging fun? Couldn't they easily manipulate a couple of young kids into a certain cover design? The thing that is odd, in my opinion, is Pan vehemently precluding that possibility. But like you said, FourthBase...the other thread is the better location for this (entitled: "Why are 'they' scaring us away from the news?")

by **professorpan** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:43 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>#1 - If they were tipped off, there is no reason to assume they were "part of the NWO plot to stifle investigation". Perhaps they were tipped off by someone wanting to stop the attack. Caricaturizations are not cool, Pan. You want to keep being "that guy"? Then fuck off elsewhere.<hr></blockquote> Fuck off? Who are you, Dick Cheney? Yeah, it makes perfect sense they were tipped off by someone wanting to stop the attack (insert sarcastic emoticon here). Talk about grasping at straws. If that was the case, why would they put it on their album cover and not talk about the tip-off? What I suggested is that coincidence and synchronicity happens. Those who stretch to find a literal, causual connection between every coincidence are slipping down a slope that leads to mental illness. And I'm not invoking anything extrasensory in my assertions when I suggest that coincidences -- even striking ones -- happen. It's called probability. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>#2 - "Those who require literal, Newtonian correspondences" is fucking dishonest. How about "Those who tend to believe that correspondences are probably more literal than extrasensory"? I'm open to the idea that Platonic memes of the attack were floating in the pre-9/11 mind-field. Yet that seems less likely than a simple tip-off. However, as opposed to the Lone Gunmen writers whom we know were using intel-military consultants, we have no idea if The Coup had any connections, sinister or not.<hr></blockquote> No, a coincidence seems more likely than a tip-off. If The Coup members were tipped off, and decided to incorporate a warning or message in their album cover, why the fuck wouldn't they come out and say so? Your explanation doesn't have any factual basis. And as to the Lone Gunmen episode, barring any confirmation that the writers and producers were fed information about the planned attacks (and they've denied they were tipped off repeatedly), there is zero evidence that it was anything other than a remarkable coincidence/synchronicity. If you don't believe such things happen, I suggest you pick up any book about the subject, or read an issue of Fortean Times. Living in an evidence-based world is more difficult than living in an "I think it's so, therefore I believe it's so" world. It requires more work than most people are willing to do. But in the end it's a better strategy for getting at the truth.

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