McKenna: Girl of the Year 2012

[Gnomad]

Stephen, to say you're confused on the matter is a vast understatement. Try some mushrooms someday, and see for yourself.
"Drugs" are one thing; natural entheogens are completely another.

Yeah, they're witchcraft, and that is, mm, bad, okay?

[Weather Balloons]

Yeah, they're witchcraft, and that is, mm, bad, okay?

[Crow]

[Stephen Morgan]

You're all just one step from huffing glue from a little plastic bag, but unlike a glue-sniffer you've got an unpleasant enlighteneder-then-thou attitude.

[Joe Hillshoist]

You're all just one step from huffing glue from a little plastic bag, but unlike a glue-sniffer you've got an unpleasant enlighteneder-then-thou attitude.

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for attitudes.

[undead]

you've got an unpleasant enlighteneder-then-thou attitude.

No, it just seems that way to you because you have nothing positive or original to contribute to any conversation of significant depth. Also, you are a misogynistic crank and your sex life is probably pathetic because of this. I would imagine that is why you spend your time dragging down the quality of conversation on this board, and I am not going to suggest for you to do something different because I don't give a fuck about you or your miserable little existence.

[wordspeak2]

The insulting is a little uncalled for, undead, but, Stephen, your perspective is based completely on ignorance because you've never taken these substances. You make yourself look like an idiot. Mushrooms are the exact opposite of glue-sniffing or binge-drinking. It's not really a debate; it's just a matter of people who have used plant entheogens and people who haven't. The latter is uninformed on the matter.

I usually ignore the Stephens of the world. I'd rather re-assert McKenna's point about mushrooms: Tons of people have had positive experiences with mushrooms at low doses, but a precious few have broken through to what is called "the Logos," a contact with a distinctly alien Other, but that is what the mushroom is all about. Essentially everyone who does encounter the Logos sees this as the greatest mystery of life, by a very long shot. The reason most people with an open mind and good intention don't get there is simply a matter of method. You have to have a clear head- don't combine with caffeine/sugar/alcohol- an empty stomach- don't eat for six hours previous- and take a *really big dose (5 grams or so)* in a totally isolated, safe, dark environment. What you thus experience behind closed eyelids- that... challenges the entire precipice of western civilization. Now hiring for explorers into this realm. I'm on a break myself, but itching to get back into hyperspace soon enough.

The thing about the red pill is it's ten thousand more joyous than the stimulant-alcohol monotony of mainstream society, but it can certainly be scary as fuck, especially if you're in any way materially attached to this babylonian existence. Mushrooms are a tad gentler than DMT, but they both take you to the Logos/hyperspace. No other psychedelics have this defining characteristic; McKenna was famed for drawing attention to this simple fact.

Bill Hicks described it nicely with his touch of humor; may he rest in peace:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF9NZjrSIE

[sunny]

Smoke a joint Stephen, it'll do you a world of good. I promise.

[brainpanhandler]

5 grams or so

You have to have a clear head- don't combine with caffeine/sugar/alcohol- an empty stomach- don't eat for six hours previous- and take a *really big dose (5 grams or so)* in a totally isolated, safe, dark environment.

Maybe a sitter as well.


And Nordic,

you really do need to get out of LA. American Girl is headquartered in Middleton WI, just outside of Madison WI. I've known some graphic artists that work there or work on contract for them. In this cultural milieu it's not at all a stretch to imagine that McKenna is a reference to Terence.

[wordspeak2]

5 grams is the key; I've done it a few times (an eighth, 3.5 grams, is usually seen as an average-large dose). That and smoking some really good cannabis just as the trip is starting to hit, about an hour in. That usually blasts you off.
A sitter is probably good, unless you're experienced. With DMT *definitely* a sitter for early experiences.

[Joe Hillshoist]

5 gms?

Are you talking about dry/dehydrated ones then?

[dada]

I think all the proselytizing makes you drug people look bad. It's not for everyone. Anyone interested will gravitate towards it anyway without the glowing reviews, and anyone not interested will just be pushed further away, strongly suspecting you guys are full of shit and don't know it. And that doesn't make the uninterested forever cast out of the heavenly realms of enlightenment. I know plenty of people enlightened in their own way, never tripped or only had low level trips in the lame ass party set and setting, and so what? There are so many ways to get there, wherever 'there' is. There are different types of people, and even those different types can get there in different ways, depending on where they are in their lives, in their moods, so many factors. You drug people know this. So why do you keep up with the "oh you have to try this attitude." It's only so much preaching to the choir. I love mushrooms and probably smoke more herb than any three off you combined, but even I get turned off by this drug culture nonsense. I never bothered reading or learning about Terence. Maybe that's my problem right there, right? I'm sure he's a great guy, sounds like he really helped turn on some of you. But I didn't need him.

My favorite thing to do recently is see how drunk, stoned or tripping balls I can be and have no one around me know. I'm getting pretty good at it. I find drunk is the toughest one to hide.

[NeonLX]

you really do need to get out of LA. American Girl is headquartered in Middleton WI, just outside of Madison WI. I've known some graphic artists that work there or work on contract for them. In this cultural milieu it's not at all a stretch to imagine that McKenna is a reference to Terence.

Heh.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I love mushrooms and probably smoke more herb than any three off you combined, but even I get turned off by this drug culture nonsense.

Is that a challenge.

BTW Stephen needs something to break that straight jacket he has cemented to the outside of his mind.

btw

"you drug people"

Thats us. "Label people". I mean.... nevermind.

[sunny]

I'm scared of DMT but I wouldn't mind trying mushrooms. I think maybe I'm over the trauma of watching a school mate eat toilet paper whilst tripping on them.