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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby jingofever » Thu May 31, 2012 2:52 am

Rory wrote:
slimmouse wrote:Ron Pauls a c--t.


Wait, what?!?

Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist?

No, a coot.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Allegro » Thu May 31, 2012 3:12 am

jingofever wrote:
Rory wrote:
slimmouse wrote:Ron Pauls a c--t.

Wait, what?!?
Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist?

No, a coot.
And a clot, to boot :).
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Marie Laveau » Thu May 31, 2012 4:09 am

I actually see this in a bit of a different light.

I think they are losing. They wouldn't EVER be joining together otherwise.

It's all falling apart, and they are desperate to hold onto their power. Even if they have to join forces.

Just mho.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Elvis » Thu May 31, 2012 5:04 am

jingofever wrote:Being a Rothschild is not like it was one hundred years ago. One of them is into ecology and speaks up about global warming. Naturally this puts him in the cross hairs of Alex Jones.


Did you hear that interview Alex Jones did with David Rothschild (the ecology guy)? Jones screamed at him, "I'm onto you, Redshield!" and kept calling him "Redshield!" Unreal. I think Jones might have burst a blood vessel. Incredibly, after suffering such ridiculous abuse from the host, David R. actually came back on after the break. I never followed Prison Planet etc. closely but hearing that interview was when I completely got off the boat with Alex Jones. The man is an hysterical nutcase.

David just seems like a nice rich kid who thought he'd try something useful with his money. They say he was a "problem child" who climbed statues and dropped in and out of college, pursuing his own interests. He's oblivious to things like banking history and shuns the family business. He doesn't own a car, gets around on a bicycle. He made that cool boat out of plastic bottles: http://www.theplastiki.com/


The Rothschilds are interesting historically, maybe not terribly relevant today. I'd say a more interesting family is the Warburgs, but again the Warburgs themselves are today absent from the boardrooms. I think these legacies live on in institutions rather than family dynasties, which seem to have dwindled and scattered. They wanted David Rothschild to go into banking, but he wasn't interested.


Ditto the Rockefellers; their effect has been enormous, but I doubt any other Rockefeller will reach the heights of power achieved by David or his father or grandfather. I haven't checked, but I assume his successors are chosen for their management acumen, not family ties.

One example of Rockefeller influence is in medicine: for an excellent, well-sourced history of how Rockefeller money crafted the US medical establishment, check out Rockefeller Medicine Men : Medicine and Capitalism in America. http://archive.org/details/rockefellermedic00browrich

John D. Rockefeller was making an overwhelming amount of money and had to hire a bunch of men to give it away. They started foundations and universities and Rockefeller poured his money into them. They had billions to throw at controlling science, medicine, education and the arts, etc. These institutions were all designed to serve the capitalist system and continue to shape the world today.

Andrew Carnegie, now that guy had an altruistic streak that old man Rockefeller never had. Rockefeller's idea of improving education was to buy it and control it top-down. Carnegie's idea was to pay for 2,000 libraries all over the country. Rockefeller would never do that.


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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby wordspeak2 » Thu May 31, 2012 6:17 am

Well, this is related to Jackriddler's thread on foundations that hasn't taken off yet. I'd say that the Rockefellers as a family obviously don't have as much power as when Grandpa was rocking Standard Oil and owned some insane proportion of American wealth, but they're preserved their power very well mostly through the Rockefeller Foundation. I haven't read, "Rockefeller, Medicine Men"- I'd like to check that out... but I did read a really interesting history of the family called "Thy Will Be Done," which looks at the history of the original Rockefeller success and its interesting nature as quasi-religious on one hand but more secular-capitalist than anything, strongly opposed by religion fundamentalists at the time, and then the passing on of the torch to former VP Nelson and others. Very good book by Gerald Colby and Charlotte Dennett. We still have a powerful Rockefeller Foundation, though not as large as the Gates Foundation or Ford I don't believe, but still a lot of power there, especially in the areas of science and medicine, yeah. And we still have a Rockefeller senator, Jay from West Virginia, an evil Democrat if there ever was one, who was has championed some Orwellian cyber-security bullshit. David Jr. still attends Bilderberg meetings and is most likely still a person of great influence. It sees the Rockefeller family as a whole remains powerful in today's world, while I'm not sure the same can be said about the Rothschilds, from what I've read of folks' research on this board at least... seems like their just old money- old money finding new ways to consolidate, apparently.

Interesting that you mention Carnegie Corporation and libraries. I read Joan Roelof's fantastic book about the capitalist foundation, "Foundations and Public Policy: the Mask of Pluralism." Really, really strongly recommends. It totally breaks down the m.o. of the foundations such as Ford, Rockefeller, the Carnegie foundations (there are two), et al. Anyway, she actually mentioned the Carnegie-funded creation of libraries as an exception, something that she had trouble taking any issue with. Motive? It's hard to say, except that part of the role of the foundations, besides tax loopholes for wealth protection and stealth funding for various sinister and anti-socialist projects under the guise of philanthropy, is to give capitalism a friendly appearance. Public libraries are great, though, as long as they remain fairly neutral... which is not to say that they always do. Roelofs made the point that a Soros foundation dropped countless millions into building new libraries in former eastern block countries- now, which books are in and which are out re the history of communism? It's hard to make that argument, though, around U.S. libraries.

Anyway, though, this investing under the name of philanthropy as a public relations strategy, developed originally by the Rockefellers in the early part of the twentieth century, has proven absolutely brilliant for shining up capitalism's reputation as a whole. I see this over on Reddit a lot, where Bill Gates is an intensely beloved character. All you have to do- as a corporation or ultra-rich entity- is even appear to give stuff away to help some people on the other side of the world, and liberals will worship the ground you stand on. Thus myriad corporations, especially ones that care about a liberal image, have foundations at this point (the Whole Foods foundation, supporting micro-lending grants in India...). The Rockefeller family enterprise deserves the credit for perfecting this imperialism-as-philanthropy methodology, though purely politically the Ford Foundation has probably been more influential over the last seventy-five years. The intellectual roots belong to Rockefeller, though. To my shock someone on Reddit actually quoted David Rockefeller Sr. recently. We were discussing Wal-Mart's extremely low wages it pays its workers while it meanwhile gives millions to "charity"... and to my shock most people were defending Wal-Mart. One person actually said, "It reminds me of something Rockefeller said long ago when pressed on how he can rationalize paying his employees so little while giving away so much money. He said if he gave the money to the workers they would waste it on alcohol or something frivolous. Instead he builds libraries other important institutions and the workers can go to the libraries and get the education they need to better themselves." Tongue not even slightly in cheek in this comment... well there you have it.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Marie Laveau » Thu May 31, 2012 9:21 am

I have been doing a years-long, on again-off again research project into the Unicorn Tapestries. Super-duper tinfoil there.

Rockefeller bought them and then donated them to the "citizens." They are now, of course, ensconsed in The Cloisters.

This is just an addendum to how strange the Rockefeller fortune is/was, and how, as (reputedly) Balzac said, "All great fortunes involve a great crime."
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 31, 2012 11:11 am

Okay, first of all, yes, bury that hatchet and just add to the discussion/topic as you see fit and make whatever case you need to.

Yes, maybe this is just a consolidation of a spinoff. Sort of like what AT&T has done after the forced breakup.

I also think Marie's comment is worth considering. Maybe they are doing this out of necessity. Then again, maybe they are just explicitly unifying the NWO.


Lastly re: AJ interview w/the philanthropist. Yes he was rude. He is extremely suspicious and hard. While I get really anooyed at him sometimes, I appreciate the feet to the fire. Most of the 'foundations' are set up as tax dodges and to skit normal rules. Set up a 'foundation', to issue control.

OT- I am about to post something on Builderberg 2012 after a quick check to be sure we do not have a thread on it. Who else is covering/giving it exposure? So my post will be an OP with AJ coverage as he is there. MSM isn't and would just as well not cover it but may be forced to to provide assurances and spin for the 'useless earters'.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby American Dream » Thu May 31, 2012 11:23 am

Elvis wrote:
jingofever wrote:Being a Rothschild is not like it was one hundred years ago. One of them is into ecology and speaks up about global warming. Naturally this puts him in the cross hairs of Alex Jones.


Did you hear that interview Alex Jones did with David Rothschild (the ecology guy)? Jones screamed at him, "I'm onto you, Redshield!" and kept calling him "Redshield!" Unreal. I think Jones might have burst a blood vessel. Incredibly, after suffering such ridiculous abuse from the host, David R. actually came back on after the break. I never followed Prison Planet etc. closely but hearing that interview was when I completely got off the boat with Alex Jones. The man is an hysterical nutcase.

Since AJ has been excoriated again and again for not talking enough about the (supposed) Jewish World Conspiracy, maybe this was one of his ways of pleasing his constituency that demands that particular kind of right wingy material, while also maintaining a (somewhat) plausible deniability...
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby slimmouse » Thu May 31, 2012 4:33 pm

A quick apology to anyone who feels I may be attempting to derail this thread in any way shape or form.

This thread on the contrary forms the crux of something very important to me.

Im actually surprised this made news anywhere, ( which almost makes me wonder why ) since the marriage in itself isnt anything new. The linkage between the Rothschild/Rockerfeller dynasties goes back a minimum of 90 years that can be charted.

I further,genuinely expected it to sink like the poison chalice that it often appears to be on RI.

Keep up the good work 2012.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Marie Laveau » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:19 am

2012 Countdown wrote:I also think Marie's comment is worth considering. Maybe they are doing this out of necessity. Then again, maybe they are just explicitly unifying the NWO.




Here is something that has always bugged me about the NWO meme: they already own everything. Have for as long as we've known time. They don't need to consolidate power, because they own everything that means anything: all the factories, the electricity, the food production (that one for a shorter duration - but few people want to grow their own food anyway), the land, the transport, etc.

The story of America and it's "freedom" is just so much bunk for anyone who has done even a cursory reading of its history. Dave McGowan made a very reasonable statement in his last posting: there never was an end to the Roman Empire, it just moved its base of operation: England, then America.

I can say for certain that the move from England to America wasn't a "revolution" as much as it was slight-of-hand. But people bought the concocted story, so that's all that matters.

Anyway, between earning a degree in Native American Studies (yes, one of those "useless" degrees the right-wingers always bitch about - don't want too much information getting out you know) and my ex having a Master's in history (I edited his thesis on George Washington's business dealings), and reading this, that, and the other thing, I have no illusions about believing much of anything.

Including the fact that the whole NWO story might just be concocted to keep us in perpetual FEAR. As with so much else we've had shoved down our throats.

I do know this: they've been trying to get the NWO going for, at least, the past five hundred+ years. Aren't very good at it, are they?
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:27 am

Marie Laveau wrote:I do know this: they've been trying to get the NWO going for, at least, the past five hundred+ years. Aren't very good at it, are they?


I see it sideways: they've had their NWO going for about 500 years. It is now in a permeable and transitory state of breakdown, because their machine is too big for the planet they dreamed of controlling.

As per "permeable," here's some insight into one impetus behind circling the wagons like this: perhaps they don't trust their public employees like they used to...

Via: http://lbo-news.com/2012/05/31/student- ... inds-down/

(By the way, it’s interesting that the New York Fed has begun publishing rigorous student debt estimates, which were previously unavailable. Mark Kantrowitz’ estimate of over $1 trillion on his Student Loan Debt Clock is widely cited, but he doesn’t disclose his methods, even when asked. The New York Fed contracted with Equifax, the credit-rating agency, to get good numbers. The central bankers recently had David Graeber, author of Debt: The First 5,000 Years, down to talk to them, where he told them about the need for debt relief. He reports that they were very receptive to his message, fearing another economic crisis if nothing is done, though they probably wouldn’t go as far as his call for a Jubilee-style writeoff. It is utterly fascinating that this Vatican of capital called a prominent anarchist intellectual in for a consultation.)
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby wordspeak2 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:26 pm

So the New York Fed had David Graeber give a talk to them? That's pretty bizarre. Is there a source for that? Just curious; I like Doug Henwood.

"New World Order"... the phrase was originally used by Bush Sr., no?
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Elvis » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:48 pm

wordspeak2 wrote:"New World Order"... the phrase was originally used by Bush Sr., no?


Nah, Woodrow Wilson and many others were doing it too.

This Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_ ... _theory%29 -- is so annoying---starting with its disambiguation of "conspiracy theory"---and the second paragraph opens a can of goo, but it does give some background.

That introductory paragraph is hilarious considering the Bilderberg meeting happening right now. It says that, to "conspiracy theory...events are seen as steps in an on-going plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes."

:lol2:


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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:18 pm

I'm with WR. Globalization or single world order began with the European age of discovery. (What they discovered was not America or the ability to circumnavigate the globe so much as that they could militarily subdue pretty much every place their ships reached. Especially after their arrival set off massive smallpox epidemics.)

That there was a world order of the imperialist states was acknowledged among them in the 19th century, and they have sought to refashion the entire world order on several occasions, usually after world wars. So there was the Berlin Africa conference, then talk of a new world order after WWI, then again after WWII (in that case, they succeeded), then again after the wall fell (not so much), and now again because the postwar order is so clearly breaking down.
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Re: Rockefellers And Rothschilds Merge

Postby Marie Laveau » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:40 pm

I don't disagree with that assessment, at all. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well.

The story we are told about the NWO is that we will be ONE: one nation, one currency, one anti-christ....whatever. One could even go into the Christian ideal of the story told in the book of the revelator - one which I prefer to term a blueprint, rather than a prophecy, but no matter - in that story we could even discuss the need of a number IN the hand or the forehead in order to buy or sell, which seems so close to this infinite commercial growth policy we've had for quite awhile. Long before Reagan and the neo-cons; they just got it amped up.

Nonetheless, when I say they've been "at it" for more than five-hundred years and still haven't succeeded, I'm speaking more of what most people think of as the NWO - that odd singularity, or we are all one.

I don't doubt for a moment that, as I said, and to which Jack and others alluded, they have controlled things for a very long time. It's a pretty mixed-up story, for sure; with so many twists and turns it would be ludicrous to pretend we know what it's all about. Speculation is interesting, but for the whole thing to come out, I guess we'll just have to be patient, eh?
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