A Toast to Banned and Disappeared Posters

[Simulist]

thanks MinM, Jeff I know this is perplexing but I hope some simple solution can be arrived at that would allow Hugh to continue posting here as his analysis is perfectly suited to RI and adds something unique and valuable to the forum that can be gotten nowhere else, thanks!

You've said you have your own forum, Lupercal; so if you're so eager for Hugh's "perfectly suited" analysis, maybe you should invite him.

Should he accept your offer, and choose to regale your forum participants with his schtick, then you can resume moderating his disruptive behavior yourself.

[Elvis]

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[lupercal]

Sim I said Hugh's analysis is perfectly suited to RI, and it is, because it combines intense language scrutiny with an interest in criminal weirdness. RI is where he hashed out his theory, where he's made 9,866 posts in seven years, somewhere between 2 and 3% of all posts here, also where his PMs are, where Google searches on his examples and key words land, and so on. Basically it's his online home and while it's entirely possible that he's decided to move on, I hope he hasn't, and that he can keep posting here, as he has a way of cutting through crap like no one else.

And yes, of course, he has a standing invitation to join my forum, as does everyone here for that matter, and I'd be delighted to see him there. But that's a different issue.

[Elvis]

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Get real. Hugh wasn't just summarily kicked out one day as you suggest. You ask for accommodations but Hugh was accommodated to every extent with warnings, suspensions, special rules, and his own subforum.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Sim I said Hugh's analysis is perfectly suited to RI,

Cept the bit about rigour.

Hugh was a massive disappointment cos instead of taking his ideas and doing some hard work to shape them into a robust structure that provided something useful, a tool anyone could use, he shirked the hard yards (he'd hate me using that term) and made himself an essential element of the whole KWH idea.

This place was more than open to his stuff yet he never took any criticism, never adapted his ideas to valid criticism and basically went into full on "with me or against me" mode. he was convinced he was right and everyone else was wrong. Hopefully he takes some time out looks back on his trip with some self generated disassociation, and tries to take his thing apart and put it back together in a more sane less ego tripping way.

Instead of taking his ideas and fitting them to reaslity and then changing his ideas and dumping what didn't work he'd do the opposite. he'd try to warp reality to fit his ideas. That is unhealthy for a start but its also a great way to get things wrong and to mislead yourself and others.

But cheers anyway Hugh.

[JackRiddler]

Hell of an elegy, Joe.

Where's vanlose kid?

[vanlose kid]

Hell of an elegy, Joe.

Where's vanlose kid?

over in the RI guitar thread dude!

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[lupercal]

Instead of taking his ideas and fitting them to reaslity and then changing his ideas and dumping what didn't work he'd do the opposite. he'd try to warp reality to fit his ideas.

Joe can you give me an example? Because I suspect that "what didn't work" really means "I didn't buy it," and who's to say Hugh wasn't right to begin with? Take Chewbacca-chew tobacco for instance: that one went down in flames here but can you give me a better reason why, 35 years after the frickin' movie hit the screens, that moth-eaten monster is still paraded out regularly on Fox MLB game broadcasts, including the one I happened to catch yesterday?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Instead of taking his ideas and fitting them to reaslity and then changing his ideas and dumping what didn't work he'd do the opposite. he'd try to warp reality to fit his ideas.

Joe can you give me an example? Because I suspect that "what didn't work" really means "I didn't buy it," and who's to say Hugh wasn't right to begin with? Take Chewbacca-chew tobacco for instance: that one went down in flames here but can you give me a better reason why, 35 years after the frickin' movie hit the screens, that moth-eaten monster is still paraded out regularly on Fox MLB game broadcasts, including the one I happened to catch yesterday?

Cos big hairy men are a world wide archetype.

On every continent there are myths about the massive hairy ones.

[lupercal]

^ not very rigorous, Joe. Nobody asked this big hairy guy to make an opening pitch for example:

Or these big hairy guys:


On the other hand, there's this:

Targeting youth - Smokeless tobacco companies often target younger people with their marketing campaigns. This marketing takes advantage of the fact that, while the current young generation grew up with the knowledge that smoking causes cancer and heart attacks they do not yet know the health risks of other forms of tobacco. Tobacco companies cleverly target their advertisements toward inducing younger consumers to start buying their products. For example, in 2001 and 2002, The United States Smokeless Tobacco Company ran advertisements for its Rooster brand in Rolling Stone and Sports Illustrated respectively. Slogans included "Cock-A-Doodle Freakin' Do," "Where's the Chicks," and "Birds of a Feather Party Together."

Statistics - Additionally, teen use of smokeless tobacco has increased, while use of all tobacco products by teens has decreased. This is true especially among white and Hispanic males. In 1970, five times as many 65-and-older males used smokeless tobacco as 18- to 24-year-olds did (12.7% of the population were 65+ male users, 2.2% of the population were 18–24 male users). More specifically, moist snuff use increased for males ages 18–24 from 1% of the population to 6.2% of the population, while 65+ male users decreased from 4% to 2.2%.

A 2009 survey by The U.S. Center for Disease Control revealed that 8.9% of U.S. high school students had used smokeless tobacco (e.g., chewing tobacco, snuff, or dip) on at least 1 day during the 30 days before the survey. Usage was more common among males (15.0%) than females (2.2%) and among whites (11.9%) than blacks (3.3%) or Hispanics (5.1%). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_tobacco

So even though chewing tobacco has been prohibited from major and minor league games and interviews since 1983, teen consumption has risen steadily. How do you think that happened?

[dada]

Chewbacca does look like a big pile of chewing tobacco. The fish-looking race of Admiral Akbar are called the "Calamari." The trade federation aliens are called "Nemoidians," which I'm guessing is in reference to Leonard Nimoy. There are other plays on Earth words in the Star Wars universe. I think "Chewbacca" being similar to "chewing tobacco" gives an insight into Lucas' creative process if anything.

Chewie throwing the first pitch at a baseball game as a subliminal ploy by the tobacco industry. I admit I love the idea. I wish it were true, that there were some evidence, any evidence at all. Or I guess these things are done with only a wink and a nod, a backroom handshake deal, no paper trail.

Has R2D2 ever thrown out a first pitch in a baseball game? They could put one of those batting practice pitching machines in him. That would be pretty cool.

So even though chewing tobacco has been prohibited from major and minor league games and interviews since 1983, teen consumption has risen steadily. How do you think that happened?

Must be the Wookie. It's the only scenario that makes sense.

[Simulist]

^ not very rigorous, Joe.

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Because, obviously, you must not be grasping the sheer necessity of a rigorous refutation of obvious bullshit. Because it's just not enough to say, "Uh, that's... dumb..." when someone else hasn't made his point and has no real means to do so, one must do the due diligence FOR that someone else! — otherwise it's YOU that's "not very rigorous."

Which of course is hooey. (Which rhymes with Hughey! Which means I'm right.)

[lupercal]

Chewbacca does look like a big pile of chewing tobacco.

Yeah he does doesn't he. He's also wearing a conspicuous tobacco pouch:

In fact that's all he's wearing!

[dada]

That's no tobacco pouch, it's a man-purse. Chewie is comfortable in his sexuality. He keeps mostly tools in it; screwdriver, set of allen keys, left-handed Wookiewrench, hydrospanners, and a small lasersoldering gun. Also a spare set of keys to the Falcon, and some bantha jerky. And a comb. There's also a hidden warp pocket that he can hide a kilo of spice in. Pretty cool tech, like a Tenser's magic bag from D&D. See, they're right when they say any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[Nordic]

An interesting coincidence that Lupercal is the only person I've ever had on "ignore" other than hmw.

Loopy, you have your own blog. Like Sim said, go start your own partnership with the man you so admire. Spread the word. I mean, whats the appeal here? The MASSIVE readership of RI?