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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today

Postby Nordic » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:07 am

norton ash wrote:I think it was the summer of '03 when I was with a group of 7 or 8 teenaged volunteers, all of whom-- boys and girls of varying backgrounds and ages-- were casually discussing watching the Daniel Pearl (purported) execution video. The conversation then moved to the variety of clips available showing people falling from the WTC, to rotten.com, to Faces of Death.

I realized yet again that the world was different. That teenage horrorshow and gross-out now encompassed real people, really dying.



I saw this happen pre 911 and even (I'm pretty sure) pre-internet. Some 12-13 year old boys talking about horror/slasher movies and then went straight into talking about death scenes in "Faces of Death". Same smiles, same tone -- to them there was absolutely no distinction between a fake death and a real death -- both were just there on the screen for entertainment. It was an extremely disturbing moment, and since, things have gotten about a million times worse.
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Postby lupercal » Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:50 am

A Canadian porn actor suspected of mailing body parts to the headquarters of two major political parties after making a video of the killing might have fled to France, police said. http://www.france24.com/en/20120601-por ... o-magnotta

Police said Magnotta is also known by the names Eric Clinton Newman and Vladimir Romanov. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... orn-856123

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Vladimir Poutine et François Hollande à l'Elysée

Russian President and French President met for the first time today in Paris. At the heart of discussions: Syria. Francois Hollande said the solution would be the departure of Bashar al-Assad. Vladimir Putin has remained firm in his position, opposing any new UN sanction. http://www.franceinfo.fr/politique/face ... 2012-06-01

Okay what are the chances that a fugitive cannibal porn star named "Vladimir Romanov" turning up in France on the same day as Vladimir Putin is NOT a psyop?
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today(MiamiMontreal Crazyn

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:17 am

Yes, those faces would
understand perfectly if someone suddenly wept, screamed, cursed, fell, puked, prayed because he
has just, so unexpectedly, seen something worse than his nightmares.
It’s a simple thing, really. I shouldn’t take it so seriously, I realize that. For it was only a
boy of about 10, buying a toy. For Halloween. This was the toy:
A sinister white mask and a quite convincing little rubber meat cleaver. Packaged
together in cellophane. It’s the “costume” of a maniac killer from one of the slasher movies. The
boy wants to play at being a faceless, unstoppable murderer of innocent people (mostly women).
At this moment, in this Woolworth’s, that’s this boy’s idea of fun.


http://www.michaelventura.org/writings/LA31.pdf

written on Nov. 3, 1989

221/2 years ago.

Like Jeff said about Videodrome the idea of a kid buying a serial killer toy set seems almost quaint these days not a reason for horror anymore, when so many more have been visited on the world. But its another step on the road to where we are, here and now.

Wombat is right that in some ways this new horror is the same as its always been, and its only our relative removal from reality, cos we live at the very top o the human food chain, that separates us from the horrors that have been happening everywhere throughout history, even the last 30 or 40 years. Otherwise we'd be comfortable with death and aware of its pre-sense in the world. Death and the reminder that its there is nothing new.

North America had its death cults before why wouldn't they be back today? THose people are being sacrificed for our entertainment and distraction while we cook the planet. So in a real sense we've become the monsters we always were gonna become. we must have missed the day when the stars were right cos:

The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.


Its been like that for a while hasn't it?
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today(MiamiMontreal Crazyn

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:14 pm

Marie Laveau wrote:
Terrorism no longer shocks. Zeta cartel crimes? Passe. As glimpsed in Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers, it seems like society almost seems ready made for the advent of the media saavy psycho killer. Just look at Anders Breivik, mugging for the camera. This Luka, one big ARG game that sadly people eat up. In an era where would be serial killers can find willing victims in underground chat rooms, I sadly feel the rubicon has long been crossed. Like the guy giving thumbs up after that ghastly scene in "Irreversible", all horror these days is tailor made for people's online comments.

We're truly reaching a new low in soul shattering sickness I'm afraid.


8-bit, it's odd you should say this. I thought yesterday, "What if it's just the next op?" Earthquakes are stale, people don't even discuss them much anymore. They used to be days-worth of talk on forums: "ANOTHER EARTHQUAKE!"

They've dished up the terrorism propaganda far too long, the first- (and probably second-) worlders are bored out of their skulls by it. No longer afraid.

Rising sea water? Meh.
Tornadoes? NIMBY.
Banker scandals? What'r ya gonna do?
Priest pedophiles? Back page news.
Occupy? Winter is such a bitch.


But, now, zombies.....they could really stir the moldering pot, couldn't they? The stew is getting cold and dried out....must.do.something.to.feed.fear.to.the.masses.

Which makes one wonder just how they manage to get such a thing started all at once.....


Well a real life "zombie" outbreak would simply be some sort of extremely potent synthetic mixture put into random batches of popular street drug as a trial balloon to make people
literally lose their minds and start acting psychotic/violent. (ie: miami attack)

But my point I was making is that in a post 9/11-post Nick Berg video world, the nasty would really have to be amped up. I remember on another para-political forum years ago people were wondering what the "next 9/11" would look like...many thinking nuclear. I offered it may simply be a small group of hostage takers committing a grizzly sort of live snuff film on tv against perhaps powerful or well known people; or something akin to Beslan. In that the horror isn't simply an abstract.



Also I am frankly a little disturbed/saddened by how much RI seems to be relishing in the real life sick games of that Magnatta character(or who/whatever it is) in the "foot" thread.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:31 pm

New Coleman article on all these cannibal cases, the Magnotta saga, and the Greyhound Winnipeg cannibal attack
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... ibals.html
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today

Postby Twyla LaSarc » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:41 pm

Nordic wrote:
norton ash wrote:I think it was the summer of '03 when I was with a group of 7 or 8 teenaged volunteers, all of whom-- boys and girls of varying backgrounds and ages-- were casually discussing watching the Daniel Pearl (purported) execution video. The conversation then moved to the variety of clips available showing people falling from the WTC, to rotten.com, to Faces of Death.

I realized yet again that the world was different. That teenage horrorshow and gross-out now encompassed real people, really dying.



I saw this happen pre 911 and even (I'm pretty sure) pre-internet. Some 12-13 year old boys talking about horror/slasher movies and then went straight into talking about death scenes in "Faces of Death". Same smiles, same tone -- to them there was absolutely no distinction between a fake death and a real death -- both were just there on the screen for entertainment. It was an extremely disturbing moment, and since, things have gotten about a million times worse.


Definitely pre-internet. My roommates in the early eighties were fascinated by this stuff.
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today(MiamiMontreal Crazyn

Postby norton ash » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Definitely pre-internet. My roommates in the early eighties were fascinated by this stuff.


As were many of my fucked-up acquaintances pre-internet. So pre-internet that we saw a lot of WW II atrocity photos snuck from our dads' shoeboxes as boys.

But I'm talking about a cross-section of 12-16 year-olds, and there was no indication that any of this felt wicked to them. We knew we were being very wicked looking at Brownie shots of dead Germans.
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Postby StarmanSkye » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:20 am

8bitagent wrote:
"Well a real life "zombie" outbreak would simply be some sort of extremely potent synthetic mixture put into random batches of popular street drug as a trial balloon to make people
literally lose their minds and start acting psychotic/violent. (ie: miami attack)

But my point I was making is that in a post 9/11-post Nick Berg video world, the nasty would really have to be amped up. I remember on another para-political forum years ago people were wondering what the "next 9/11" would look like...many thinking nuclear. I offered it may simply be a small group of hostage takers committing a grizzly sort of live snuff film on tv against perhaps powerful or well known people; or something akin to Beslan. In that the horror isn't simply an abstract."
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Zowie, 8bit -- That really suddenly made a thought jell; A chilling scenario that isn't beyond the likely means, motive and opportunity of any of a half-dozen-or-more domination-and-psyop oriented groups including Deep State US and foreign Mil/sec, Secret Society Globalists, MIC, private contractor, intel, pharma, blackop mercs, Global PR-management event agencies, organized crime associations, meta-gang societies, Transnational conglomerates, -- and combinations of, etc.

Basically, the same usual suspects who are the world's leading versions of false-flag & proxy war provocateurs, elite trans-state terrorists, right/left-wing idealogue extremists, fanatical religious nutzoids, criminal cartel franchises with MIC connections, private disaster-capitalist corporations, and so on. Monster-thugs who have no compunction against using such devious, evil means to accomplish their social-engineering and psychosocial management/populationn control/world empire ends.

IMO, this is a Lot less fantastic than a LOT of other elaborately-dreadful & frightening conspiracy ops theories floating around.

Eh?

That is:
A slow-evolving psychotic-mind-altering chemical soup-base product in an inert stage that was formulated to be mixed-in with a variety of vaccines, street-drugs, IV, IM & oral medications, even food and liquid refreshments so it can be secretly administered to target populations and quantity ingested slowly accumulated in time -- perhaps designed to be switched-on or activated by administering another drug formulae so on-cue it goes 'active' -- causing those symptoms you described in those infected to become hyperactively violent, acting impulsively, deranged and with great forcefulness, committing sudden assaults and terrific outrages on strangers or associates -- spreading a media-amplified collective angst, exaggerated fear and dreadlike terror -- the human monster 'others' reflecting zombie-like rambling modes of cursed 'possession' states of mindless passivity & confusion alternating with terrible wrathful rages, lightning-like reflex aggressions, drooling madness, loss of awareness & memory, vanishing sense of identity and self-consciousness, paralysis, acute horror, excrutiating pain, etc. -- and as you describe.

Perhaps having some association with the brain-wasting disease caused by prions, or with morgellons disease, maybe designed to complement it or another organic disease or condition like senility, amnesia, criminal insanity, loss of volition, loss of conscience or will ...

You get the picture, I think.

What if this was part of a secret military-medical program that was being worked on in the late 90s and early 2000 which many microbiologists got wind of and strongly objected to as it didn't look like biowarfare 'defense' but rather a sinister abuse-prone dangerously-risky project -- and so a number were 'dissappeared' or publicly suicided to send a message of warning to like-minded potential whistleblowers ...
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today(MiamiMontreal Crazyn

Postby 3×5 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:19 am

The nick berg video was my first peek through the looking glass. I don't remember why I watched it, because I normally never have that kind of morbid curiosity. Maybe I had heard it was fake, I can't remember.

Anyway, it *was* fake. I haven't seen it in 8 years, but the first giveaway was that there were two cameras: camera 1, camera 2. They were stationed maybe 40 degrees from each other, directed at the subjects (Berg and 'terrorists'), so it looked like a public access TV show.

Then at some point they start yelling 'Allah Akbar' and one of the cameras zooms into an EXTREME CLOSEUP and all you see are blurry blobs for a while, and then eventually the camera pans out again and it's at a completely different angle, and someone holds up Nick Berg's head and it's dry, i.e. there's no blood coming out of his neck.

I watched it with a friend of mine and we were both pretty confused. If this was war propaganda, why was it so unconvincing? That still troubles me. Is that the point? It makes me wonder if it's part of a larger propaganda effort, to release deliberately shoddy or dubious evidence to see if it's accepted, to see how far you can suspend the public's disbelief.

I think a major reason it was still effective is that most people don't want to watch a beheading video, so you just have to release one and announce it's been released, and most people don't care to verify that for themselves.

Then I learned that Nick Berg shared an email address with Zacharias Moussaoui, and this is when I realized that there was a whole lot going on beneath the surface that I didn't begin to understand.
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:43 am

3×5 wrote:The nick berg video was my first peek through the looking glass. I don't remember why I watched it, because I normally never have that kind of morbid curiosity. Maybe I had heard it was fake, I can't remember.

Anyway, it *was* fake. I haven't seen it in 8 years, but the first giveaway was that there were two cameras: camera 1, camera 2. They were stationed maybe 40 degrees from each other, directed at the subjects (Berg and 'terrorists'), so it looked like a public access TV show.

Then at some point they start yelling 'Allah Akbar' and one of the cameras zooms into an EXTREME CLOSEUP and all you see are blurry blobs for a while, and then eventually the camera pans out again and it's at a completely different angle, and someone holds up Nick Berg's head and it's dry, i.e. there's no blood coming out of his neck.

I watched it with a friend of mine and we were both pretty confused. If this was war propaganda, why was it so unconvincing? That still troubles me. Is that the point? It makes me wonder if it's part of a larger propaganda effort, to release deliberately shoddy or dubious evidence to see if it's accepted, to see how far you can suspend the public's disbelief.

I think a major reason it was still effective is that most people don't want to watch a beheading video, so you just have to release one and announce it's been released, and most people don't care to verify that for themselves.

Then I learned that Nick Berg shared an email address with Zacharias Moussaoui, and this is when I realized that there was a whole lot going on beneath the surface that I didn't begin to understand.


Nick Berg actually was seen hanging with both Zacharious Moussaoui and Hussein al Attas(and possibly WTC/OKC suspect Melvin Lattimore, who was rooming with Mossaoui and al Attas)
a number of times on the University Campus of Oklahoma. Some theories even floated that he helped purchase the Flight 93 tickets. But Berg had been seen weighlifting and generally hanging with the trio, themselves who would later meet with Mohamed Atta and a few other hijacker associates.

A number of Berg's things were on Moussaoui's laptop, AS WAS software given to Mossaoui by the Senator Paul Wellstone co-pilot who of course would also die. Berg and Moussaoui attended the same Airman Aviation school as well. And Moussaoui and Mohamed Atta were seen at the same Dreamland motel Mcveigh and Melvin Lattimore stayed at in 1995. Lattimore, whose credit cards were said to have purchased some of the 1993 WTC bomb equipment, drove with al Attas to Minnesota to see Moussaoui.

Berg-911-Wellstone-WTC-OKC...all tied together by Moussaoui and his close associates in Norman OKC
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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:48 am

I was refuse to post, or even spend much time looking through the Luka thread...but man, it seems like you guys are reading through a meticulously written thriller novel...just in real life. Seriously, it's like Pattern Recognition(2003) meets The Chicago Loop(1991) meets something else. Frightening indeed.
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Postby norton ash » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:56 pm

Way back on page 1, I mentioned the Daniel Pearl beheading vid, when I meant Nick Berg. The fog of only half-following a long, fictionally-reported war, I guess.

Which weakens my original point, as the veracity of the Nick Berg execution video means those kids were probably watching another fake movie death.
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Postby nashvillebrook » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:19 pm

8bit--do you know where i can read more about the Oklahoma connections? i'm reading the andrew gumbel book on the bungled OKC bombing, and what you mention is fascinating. gumbel's book is totally worth a look. i came across it listening to the virtually speaking podcast with jay ackroyd. link below.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtuallys ... speaking-1
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:41 am

nashvillebrook wrote:8bit--do you know where i can read more about the Oklahoma connections? i'm reading the andrew gumbel book on the bungled OKC bombing, and what you mention is fascinating. gumbel's book is totally worth a look. i came across it listening to the virtually speaking podcast with jay ackroyd. link below.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtuallys ... speaking-1


Oh goodness...my mind is foggy a bit. I spent years in the early mid 2000's digesting all this stuff. But here's a few primers


huge master thread on nick berg/moussaoui/lattimore(menepta)/al attas/9-11/OKC bombing and the wellstone ties. I mean seriously, Moussaoui ties to EVERYTHING....its creepy. And I mean 1 degree of separation.
http://www.todaysvibe.com/board/viewtop ... 0c43e64d0e


http://www.laweekly.com/2002-08-01/news ... ist-motel/
berg/moussaoui/al attas http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144226/posts
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/06 ... omment.php
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.js ... _menepta_1
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/13/th ... ng-terror/

Paul wellstone pilot/moussaoui laptop connection
http://www.de-fact-o.com/fact_read.php?id=19

norman oklahoma: axis of spook evil (OKC/911)
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ok_axis_of_evil.htm
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Re: The Frightening Videodrome Of Today(MiamiMontreal Crazyn

Postby Canadian_watcher » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:17 am

3×5 wrote:
I watched it with a friend of mine and we were both pretty confused. If this was war propaganda, why was it so unconvincing? That still troubles me. Is that the point? It makes me wonder if it's part of a larger propaganda effort, to release deliberately shoddy or dubious evidence to see if it's accepted, to see how far you can suspend the public's disbelief.

I think a major reason it was still effective is that most people don't want to watch a beheading video, so you just have to release one and announce it's been released, and most people don't care to verify that for themselves.



I didn't see the Nick Berg video or even follow the case.. I reacted as you said, I believed that there was a video of a beheading and that was that. But what makes this post incredible to me is that I just said almost this exact thing on another thread about the Magnotta case as was feeling like I was going way out on a limb with it. And now here I have another human being thinking the same thing. Thank you for making me feel a little less paranoid, or at least a little less lonely about it.
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