[social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

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Postby kelley » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:35 am

taking 'dead labor' at face value:


COSMA SHALIZI: AWAKENING FROM THE NIGHTMARE OF HISTORY

Cosma Shalizi's Comparative-Economic-Systems-Course-in-a-Box:

Marx had drawn a nightmare picture of what happened to human life under capitalism, when everything was produced only in order to be exchanged; when true qualities and uses dropped away, and the human power of making and doing itself became only an object to be traded. Then the makers and the things made turned alike into commodities, and the motion of society turned into a kind of zombie dance, a grim cavorting whirl in which objects and people blurred together till the objects were half alive and the people were half dead. Stock-market prices acted back upon the world as if they were independent powers, requiring factories to be opened or closed, real human beings to work or rest, hurry or dawdle; and they, having given the transfusion that made the stock prices come alive, felt their flesh go cold and impersonal on them, mere mechanisms for chunking out the man-hours. Living money and dying humans, metal as tender as skin and skin as hard as metal, taking hands, and dancing round, and round, and round, with no way ever of stopping; the quickened and the deadened, whirling on. … And what would be the alternative? The consciously arranged alternative? A dance of another nature, Emil presumed. A dance to the music of use, where every step fulfilled some real need, did some tangible good, and no matter how fast the dancers spun, they moved easily, because they moved to a human measure, intelligible to all, chosen by all.

There is a fundamental level at which Marx’s nightmare vision is right: capitalism, the market system, whatever you want to call it, is a product of humanity, but each and every one of us confronts it as an autonomous and deeply alien force. Its ends, to the limited and debatable extent that it can even be understood as having them, are simply inhuman. The ideology of the market tell us that we face not something inhuman but superhuman, tells us to embrace our inner zombie cyborg and loose ourselves in the dance. One doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry or running screaming.

But, and this is I think something Marx did not sufficiently appreciate, human beings confront all the structures which emerge from our massed interactions in this way. A bureaucracy, or even a thoroughly democratic polity of which one is a citizen, can feel, can be, just as much of a cold monster as the market. We have no choice but to live among these alien powers which we create, and to try to direct them to human ends. It is beyond us, it is even beyond all of us, to find “a human measure, intelligible to all, chosen by all”, which says how everyone should go. What we can do is try to find the specific ways in which these powers we have conjured up are hurting us, and use them to check each other, or deflect them into better paths. Sometimes this will mean more use of market mechanisms, sometimes it will mean removing some goods and services from market allocation, either through public provision7 or through other institutional arrangements8. Sometimes it will mean expanding the scope of democratic decision-making (for instance, into the insides of firms), and sometimes it will mean narrowing its scope (for instance, not allowing the demos to censor speech it finds objectionable). Sometimes it will mean leaving some tasks to experts, deferring to the internal norms of their professions, and sometimes it will mean recognizing claims of expertise to be mere assertions of authority, to be resisted or countered.

These are all going to be complex problems, full of messy compromises. Attaining even second best solutions is going to demand “bold, persistent experimentation”, coupled with a frank recognition that many experiments will just fail, and that even long-settled compromises can, with the passage of time, become confining obstacles. We will not be able to turn everything over to the wise academicians, or even to their computers, but we may, if we are lucky and smart, be able, bit by bit, make a world fit for human beings to live in.
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Re: [social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

Postby semper occultus » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:39 pm

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Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:58 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:By gosh, yer probably right! But then, would that realization maybe inspire the truly wickedly-creative & recklessly-demented to help push the potential for a precursor natural zombie virus-bug along, make it happen faster and on a bigger, wider, more terrible and fearsome scale?

That is pretty common w/ biowarfare disease engineer-inventors, isn't it?

I'm not taking this too seriously, as I'm not very eaqer or good at scaring myself. But I guess some nagging niggling what-if? suspicion will be hiding-out and going along for the ride now in a tiny dark corner of my mind for some little while.

Zombie Apocalypse.
New World Order.
Population Control.
Martial Law.
Free Fire Perimeter.
Mandatory Evacuation.
Fema Camps.
Peak Oil.
Lights Out.
The End of Hope.
The Beginning of Fear.
Freak Out.
Good Bye.
The End.
Time to Die.
Now Now Now
Oh MY!

I think I've seen that movie before!
Bits of The Road come to mind ...



Wow, SS. Something to think about. Maybe this is truly the motivation behind GMOs and the genetic manipulation of our most basic foodstuffs.

Wasn't there a story a while back about the Monsanto corporate cafeteria having warning signs on the GMOs in the food being served there?

Somebody needs to find out if the Bush family eats organic-only.
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Postby Simulist » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:03 pm

Nordic wrote:Somebody needs to find out if the Bush family eats organic-only.

Maybe Georgie-poo was one of the first test subjects.
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Re: [social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

Postby elfismiles » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 pm


Chinese Cannibal (食人魔)

This is a new cannibal story. Due to the apparent blocking of the word "cannibal" (食人魔) by the Chinese government and/or media, the recent news of a cannibal serial killer has taken some time to be disseminated widely. (Revisit my recent overview of cannibals here.)

According to the Washington Post, on May 27, 2012, an arrest of 56-year-old Zhang Yongming in southwestern China occurred. He was accused of killing 11 people and dismembering, burning and burying their bodies to destroy the evidence. He allegedly attacked male victims walking on the quiet road near his home in Jinning county. The word "cannibal" was not used in the American story.

Details were graphically being given elsewhere (as per the photograph above).

An article in the Daily Telegraph said it all in their headline: "China's 'Cannibal Monster' Detained."

REST HERE:
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... nibal.html

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Postby dada » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:31 pm

I always thought Fela's song Zombie makes a good point. Equating soldiers and zombies is an apt comparison.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: [social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

Postby Jeff » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:38 pm

Perhaps part of our own zombification process is our coming to readily regard fellow citizens as "zombies."

I was just on the subway. Always a fine opportunity to feel superior, as though I'm taking public transit by choice. I caught myself mentally checking off the zombies and I didn't like myself. What's my criteria? What's the criteria for anyone doing the same, looking at me with my pathetic grocery bag and Hawaiian shirt? And once I presume a world of walking undead meat, what's stopping me from hacking them up and posting the videos for lulz? That I'm too lazy?

Something Derek Jensen reminded me of: in the classic zombie movies, it wasn't the zombie that was the object of terror, but the zombie maker.
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Postby Simulist » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:45 pm

Jeff wrote:I caught myself mentally checking off the zombies and I didn't like myself. What's my criteria? What's the criteria for anyone doing the same, looking at me with my pathetic grocery bag and Hawaiian shirt?

I was actually just about to take a jaunt to the supermarket.

But I think I'll change my shirt first.
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Re: [social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

Postby justdrew » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:12 pm

I can barely believe I remembered this song:


also I see "kesha" has a song called "i am cannibal"

and wow, someones got the whole of I cannibali - 1969 up, no subtitles tho

theme: ( a great vocal Morricone song)


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Postby brekin » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:28 pm

Jeff wrote:

Perhaps part of our own zombification process is our coming to readily regard fellow citizens as "zombies."

I was just on the subway. Always a fine opportunity to feel superior, as though I'm taking public transit by choice. I caught myself mentally checking off the zombies and I didn't like myself. What's my criteria? What's the criteria for anyone doing the same, looking at me with my pathetic grocery bag and Hawaiian shirt? And once I presume a world of walking undead meat, what's stopping me from hacking them up and posting the videos for lulz? That I'm too lazy?

Something Derek Jensen reminded me of: in the classic zombie movies, it wasn't the zombie that was the object of terror, but the zombie maker.


The film Jacob's Ladder has been resonating quite a bit with me. The bath salts face eating man reminded me of the hallucinogenic aggression drug (BZ) that
is used on the U.S. troops in Vietnam in the film. And living in a city populated with demons/zombies/crack heads seems to be a constant refrain from many
people I know. The number of well heeled people I know who are obsessed with a zombie apocalypse combined with the number of moderately heeled people
who are obsessed with some type of survivalist peak oil is a little alarming.

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http://sfy.ru/?script=jacobs_ladder

JACOB
(annoyed)
What does that have to do with
anything? Does it explain the
barricaded subway stations? Does it
explain those Godforsaken creatures?

JEZZIE
New York is filled with creatures.
Everywhere. And lots of stations are
closed.

JACOB
They're like demons, Jez.

JEZZIE
Demons, Jake? Come on. They're winos
and bag ladies. Low life. That's all
they are. The streets are crawling
with 'em. Don't make em into
somethin' they're not.
(she rubs his forehead)
It's the pressure, honey. That's all
it is.

JACOB
Those guys tried to kill me tonight.
They were aiming right at me.

JEZZIE
Kids on a joy ride. Happens all the
time.

JACOB
They weren't human!

JEZZIE
Come on. What were they, Jake?
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Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:38 pm

Lots of Zombie and VooDoo threads right now- so here's this here-
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Postby Bruce Dazzling » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm

Do do the voodoo that you do.

"Arrogance is experiential and environmental in cause. Human experience can make and unmake arrogance. Ours is about to get unmade."

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Postby kelley » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:18 pm

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:40 pm

it was a dark and stormy night ... my wife was out and I was at home alone. Our house is about 1 km from our nearest neighbour. So being home alone means there is no one within cooee on a stormy rainy night. There was a loud crunch. Someone clearly crashed their car, so I went outside in the rain and lightning to find them and see oif they were OK.

They'd run off the road about 200m from the front gate, so as i walked down to the front gate I saw a 4WD pull up and appear to check they were ok, then speed off. Thats not unusual but not totally normal either. The car was in a ditch, by a road. Someone got out and started walking up the road to me.

This lightning bolt flashed behind me and lit the guy up.

He was deathly pale and had a flap of skin hanging over his eye. And blood dripping down and on his face in places.

It was such a moment. the lightning, thunder and this guy who was shuffling up the road looking like as fucking undead zombie. For a fraction of a second I did a little WTF. Only for the splittest of split seconds, cos undead zombies aren't real and even if they are I could probably take one down on its own. But still thats how it works isn't it. There is one moment when everything is normal and then there is another when something happens and you know you've crossed that boundry into something else.


A split second later I recognised the guy, and took him up to the house and gave him some first aid and a bed for the night.

I'll never forget that moment when that lightning flashed. Even now, and its probably getting on for 10 years later, I sometimes see him in town at the pub and we have a little laugh about it. He's still got the scar over his forehead.

For some reason this thread reminded of that night. Can't think why.
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Re: [social studies] The Zombie fascination in century 20.1

Postby Simulist » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:55 pm

Very engaging, Joe.
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