PROMETHEUS

[2012 Countdown]

Whether the movie is 'deep' or not, people are just posting ideas and reactions. Not endorsements, just food for thought. Thats what message boards are overwhelmingly used for. You seem to get annoyed at that, so why post? I guess just to poop in the thread. Don't forget to flush.

[semper occultus]

...and which charm school did you graduate from btw....?


(... you might consider requesting your money back..... )

[brekin]

KeenInsight wrote

I don't know why anyone is looking deeply into the Prometheus movie... There's nothing too "deep" about it. Its a prequel to the movie Alien, but I'm sure at least some people know that or it was discussed in this thread, but I'm not going to bother reading 6 pages of nonsense.

brekin wrote:
If you don't bother reading our nonsense why should we bother reading yours?

KeenInsight wrote:

You're a funny guy. Are you a comedian? I'm stating facts and how this movie ties in with Ridley Scott's other movies, that's all there is too it. Simple, and getting straight to the point that seemingly everyone missed.

There is no fucking agenda to the Prometheus movie.

I am a comedian, but I'm not a funny guy.

I would be surprised if anyone in this thread missed that Prometheus was the prequel to Alien. Even with all of Ridley Scott's obfuscating that seems clear. The facts you laid out are pretty rudimentary and accepted. There is very little disagreement about what has happened up to the prequel and most of the connecting links. The question of why though is what people are discussing. I like to think the Alien franchise is deep, even if Ridley Scott didn't intend it to be. Since it is popular and taps into numerous fears of people it speaks to things that resonate beyond a surface level.

For example the taxonomy of the aliens you laid out and the way they penetrate people and destroy them from the inside them has deeper connotations. Obviously they were the stuff of your nightmares as a kid for numerous deeper reasons. I imagine being burned alive is a more horrible way to go but why wasn't that the stuff of your nightmares instead?

I for one like to believe there is a deep side to everything. Even when something isn't engineered deeply. The mass of humanity works unconsciously and blindly and so agenda or not tend to reveal deeper processes at work. There are greater agendas which Ridley Scott and others serve even if their own private agenda is just to make a quick buck. Not to look deeper is to passively accept what is handed to you.

[Wombaticus Rex]

GUYS, I JUST REALIZED: RIDLEY SCOTT ALSO DIRECTED A FILM CALLED "ALIEN" RIGHT BEFORE REAGAN WAS ELECTED!!!!

[semper occultus]

the man who put the "gory" into political allegory ?

[Bruce Dazzling]

GUYS, I JUST REALIZED: RIDLEY SCOTT ALSO DIRECTED A FILM CALLED "ALIEN" RIGHT BEFORE REAGAN WAS ELECTED!!!!

About ten years ago I watched Blade Runner with a much younger friend (she was born in 1980), and about 45 minutes into it, a light bulb went on over her head and she said "oh, that's Han Solo!"



BTW, great self-moderation up-thread. I was afraid that was going to turn into a flame war, but you guys handled it well. Back pats all around.

[8bitagent]

KeenInsight wrote:

I don't know why anyone is looking deeply into the Prometheus movie... There's nothing too "deep" about it. Its a prequel to the movie Alien, but I'm sure at least some people know that or it was discussed in this thread, but I'm not going to bother reading 6 pages of nonsense.

If you don't bother reading our nonsense why should we bother reading yours?

You're a funny guy. Are you a comedian? I'm stating facts and how this movie ties in with Ridley Scott's other movies, that's all there is too it. Simple, and getting straight to the point that seemingly everyone missed.

There is no fucking agenda to the Prometheus movie.

I truly walked away from Prometheus feeling dismayed and not finding it any more entertaining than Alien Vs Predator(2004) Again like you Im a huge lifelong Alien franchise(as well as Predator franchise, and all related Dark Horse comics) fan and just from a pure enjoyment factor I felt Prometheus failed on so many levels.

The conspiracy Christians will find all sorts of heresy and things to pick apart(especially with Ridley Scott himself teasing that Christ will figure into the sequel) but I just found the whole movie
a pretty looking bad b movie. The score alone was enough to cheese me out

[Burnt Hill]

You know my intent with this thread really wasnt for movie reviews, though that is somewhat implicit.
Remember my first question was how did Aeschylus come up with this story?
Of course I am looking for correlations with the movie, but I love what brekin said about something deeper.
Even if you think Ridley Scotts movie sucked, there is something deeper going on here.
Well, everywhere I suppose.

[justdrew]

All in all, not a terribly good movie. Mildly entertaining Ridley Scott chose to give more info about the Space Jockey's, but that's it.

So I'll leave you all to discuss trivial hoop-jumping and philosophizing with Alex Jones and crazy 'agenda' shit, while I go re-watch Alien films, the best horror movies of all time. I'm half-expecting a certain individual to arrive in this thread and give a CIA angle, because you know, its DEEP.

"best horror movies of all time" ??

good lord, they're slasher pics, which I think qualifies as a separate genre from horror. but if it were "horror" it still wouldn't be the best by a long shot. I rewatched them recently not having seen 4 ever. Very underwhelming I found them, rushed and short. 1st was best tho, and fairly good, the rest I could do without.

check out Iria: Zeiram (animation and live action versions), Zeiram is much scarier than a xenomorph

[justdrew]

You know my intent with this thread really wasnt for movie reviews, though that is somewhat implicit.
Remember my first question was how did Aeschylus come up with this story?
Of course I am looking for correlations with the movie, but I love what brekin said about something deeper.
Even if you think Ridley Scotts movie sucked, there is something deeper going on here.
Well, everywhere I suppose.

well, the Prometheus story has parallels with the gnostic creation stories, is it possible Prometheus is an earlier conception of the demiurge? After Hercules freed him, did ol' P. turn into ol' J. ?

... created man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization. He is known for his intelligence, and as a champion of mankind.

it appears Hesiod is the one (that we know of) who first wrote about Prometheus, in Theogony.

In the trick at Mecone, a sacrificial meal marking the "settling of accounts" between mortals and immortals, Prometheus played a trick against Zeus (545–557). He placed two sacrificial offerings before the Olympian: a selection of beef hidden inside an ox's stomach (nourishment hidden inside a displeasing exterior), and the bull's bones wrapped completely in "glistening fat" (something inedible hidden inside a pleasing exterior). Zeus chose the latter, setting a precedent for future sacrifices.

Henceforth, humans would keep that meat for themselves and burn the bones wrapped in fat as an offering to the gods. This angered Zeus, who hid fire from humans in retribution. In this version of the myth, the use of fire was already known to humans, but withdrawn by Zeus. Prometheus, however, stole back fire in a giant fennel-stalk and restored it to mankind. This further enraged Zeus, who sent Pandora, the first woman, to live with men.

also, it looks like... (and this ties in much more with the movie, than just the simple fire stealing... in some versions, P. did much more than just return/bring fire to humanity, but taught us the arts of civilization, and saved us from Zeus's wrath, which would have had us the 6th version of humans wiped out by him)...

The Titan's greatest benefaction for humankind seems to have been saving them from complete destruction. In an apparent twist on the myth of the so-called Five Ages of Man found in Hesiod's Works and Days (wherein Cronus and, later, Zeus created and destroyed five successive races of mortal men), Prometheus asserts that Zeus had wanted to obliterate the human race, but that he somehow stopped him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus#Mythology

which reminds me of another thing, just because we share some DNA with the "engineers" doesn't mean THEY created us, there could and probably IS another agent at play. The "engineers" may have wanted to destroy humanity because they didn't want to share existence with any others children of their creator. They seem to have some serious xenophobic tendencies.

[MacCruiskeen]

Shouldn't this be in the Lounge? Seven pages about a shite Hollywood movie?

And the post title in BLOCK CAPS reminds us that it's EXCEPTIONALLY IMPORTANT.

[Burnt Hill]

Shouldn't this be in the Lounge? Seven pages about a shite Hollywood movie?

And the post title in BLOCK CAPS reminds us that it's EXCEPTIONALLY IMPORTANT.

Mac, as always you are looking for trouble. You dont want to enlighten or explore, or even debate a point, you want to fight and insult.

If you read the op and my most recent post, you may realize that it is not just about the movie.
My first question pertained to Aeschylus.
Also the entire thread contains alot of interesting insights.

We just dealt with Keens lack of Insight- now you?

As far as the bold caps (which you just used your self),.. I know, I know, you are making a point.
It was out of respect for a Greek God. And to draw eye attention. Lots of good threads slip into oblivion, think of Fruh here.

There are of course many more important threads here, depending on anyones point of view, of course.
For instance- the mortality thread, that one is so important to me that I havent been able to justify posting there, its made me cry and filled me with anguish.

Anyway, the opinion you've provided here leads me to belive you wont be posting on this thread again, thanks.

[MacCruiskeen]

jesus christ almighty

[82_28]

GUYS, I JUST REALIZED: RIDLEY SCOTT ALSO DIRECTED A FILM CALLED "ALIEN" RIGHT BEFORE REAGAN WAS ELECTED!!!!

About ten years ago I watched Blade Runner with a much younger friend (she was born in 1980), and about 45 minutes into it, a light bulb went on over her head and she said "oh, that's Han Solo!"



BTW, great self-moderation up-thread. I was afraid that was going to turn into a flame war, but you guys handled it well. Back pats all around.

[Burnt Hill]

The Poet Hesiod, Prometheus and Pandora

Hesiod wanted to put the story of his ancestors into a credible whole. This meant drawing from and reworking stories that had been told orally, with ingredients that scholars in modern times can trace to Babylonian origins. Hesiod, according to West, expressed it as the Muses "telling him to sing of the of the family of immortals." The Greeks, at any rate, viewed Hesiod's writing, like the writings of Homer, as divinely inspired and Hesiod as an instrument of the gods.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/rel-greece2.htm