Jim DiEugenio: Allen Dulles provably part of JFK conspiracy

[RocketMan]

In the latest Black Op Radio broadcast Jim DiEugenio revealed that he is set to marshal his evidence against Allen Dulles in his re-issue of A Destiny Betrayed. He said he will also lay out a scenario involving two field operatives in Dealey Plaza. He said he will "debate this with anybody" and that the time has finally come to move forward from DISproving the official narrative.

I look forward to the book, already have it on pre-order.

[barracuda]

Allen Dulles with Earle and Charles Cabell in the plaza with the rifles, FTW.

[zuestorz]

Go Jim! I'm really looking forward to reading this one. Wonder if he gets into motive as well as the evidence that proves the Dulles involvement.

[StarmanSkye]

Great interview.

[JackRiddler]

What proves the involvement is that he got to run the Commission. Now you just have to convince people why, and show enough of the how.

[RocketMan]

Ruth Payne (still alive) is definitely also DiEugenio's bête noire. He'd like to see her put in front of a grand jury quick as you can.

[MinM]

DiEugenio also raised the Specter (pun intended) of Danny Casolaro in lamenting the dearth of good information on the Dulles Bros. This was while he was putting the finishing touches on Destiny Betrayed...

Posted 02 June 2012 - 05:04 AM

The only two other books on Dulles I know of are the one by CFR member Peter Grose, and the one by Srodes which was published by Regnery.

IMO, even though the Mosley book is old, and is about all three, I still think its the best one.

But, there has never been a really satisfactory bio of Dulles. There actually was one in the works once. I think it was by that RIchard Smith guy who wrote a book about OSS. But it was cancelled before it came out, even though Peter Scott got an early draft of it and used it once.

Don GIbson called the author up and asked him what happened. He said, "Do you want to hear about a giant conspiracy?"

Joe Green once told me that the Mosley book really underplays the Dulles cooperation and profiteering with the Nazis prior to the war, especially by Allen. It also underplays just how radical a change Allen made in the mission and culture of the CIA once he took the helm. Made possible by the presence of his brother at State.

When Truman wrote his famous December 1963 article condemning the CIA, SIdney Souers saw an early draft of it and sympathized with the sentiments by saying that Dulles had certainly twisted around the agency that Truman had Souers start up for him. To the point that they both barely recognized what had become of it.

I really doubt that anyone could actually do a good biography of Dulles. You would end up like Danny Casolaro.

Edited by Jim DiEugenio, 02 June 2012 - 05:05 AM.

[StarmanSkye]

Some tidbits about the hidden side of the Dulles brother's covert connections to Nazi war-industry collaboration, with implications for how the bros' respective OSS/CIA and State Dept. influence was used to facilitate selective prosecutions of Nazi war criminals while excusing others who were rolled-over into aiding US intelligence, business and financial interests.

I'm quite convinced that the Dulle's bros were instrumental in managing & guiding the US's post-war decidedly right-wing lurch to the politics & policies of US neoliberalism, global Militarized-Police Statism & exceptionalism thru a hyper-sensationalized anti-Communist Cold War opportunism that worked hand-in-glove with Deep State/World Bank/IMF intrigue in sabotaging 3rd world democratization & development, establishing pan-European and Pan-South American militarized networks like P-2, and coordinating false-flag terrorism blamed on Communists/leftists in order to strengthen US support for authoritarian rightwing regimes and even Military Dictatorships -- notably in the Middle east and Central/South America, which were considered within the US Security spheres of influence. The Dulle's bros. private financial interest in the United Fruit Company is the backdrop for the US's provocateured invasion of Guatamala in 1953, reversing the course of that nation's democratic self-interest and sovereign sufficiency which extends to today -- and setting the pretext for the US's intrusive micro-management thru much or most of South/Central America, Africa & the Middle East with disasterous consequences which continues today.

In short: The Dulles Brothers are among the pre-eminent scoundrels, traitors, mass-murderers, war-mongers, radical zealots and ideological opportunists that have poisoned our democracy with their brand of elitist special-interest rule by deceit-fraud-and-force that has betrayed American ideals and sabotaged the cause of justice, liberty, equality, opportunity & peace for untold hundreds of millions of people -- their legacy being the endemic corruption and degradation of this nation's society, politics, economics & ethical culture which has caused the numerous impending disasters the US now faces, ie. on the brink of global war, facing financial armegeddon, a bankrupt political process, 2-tiered 'justice', blatantly criminal 'leadership' and with collapse of the environment.
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http://jasonweixelbaum.wordpress.com/20 ... ness-ties/

Collaboration in Context: New Historiographical Approaches to Alleged American/Nazi Business Ties

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A significant book that helps tie together some of the disparate studies that have been reviewed so far is Nancy Lisagor and Frank Lipsius’ The Untold Story of Sullivan & Cromwell (1988). Lisagor and Lipsius demonstrate that the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell was centrally involved in helping American corporate leaders consolidate economic and political power in the late nineteenth century.[22] They then explain that under the direction of John Foster Dulles from the early 1920s through the end of World War II, the firm helped create a network of holding companies, corporate managers, and lawyers, to facilitate corporate development within Germany.

Although Lisagor and Lipsius meant to simply produce a history of the firm from its inception to the 1980s, this work inadvertently presents a significant challenge to historians who would argue that American corporate cooperation with the Third Reich was uncoordinated and small scale. The authors demonstrate that Sullivan & Cromwell specialized in both maintaining managerial control and obscuring overseas corporate operations in providing legal representation for nearly all the businesses discussed here: Ford, GM, IBM, the BIS, IG Farben, ITT, Chase Bank, JP Morgan, and Standard Oil. Additionally, the authors show that influential policymakers, John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles on the American side, and Heinrich Albert and Gerhard Westrick on the German side, were intimately involved in these business relationships – dispelling the notion that their respective governments were completely uninvolved in these collaborative activities. Lisagor and Lipsius have called attention to a crucially important organization involved in these events, exposing the need for more research into the role they played in facilitating Nazi war aims.

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[Elvis]

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Juicy thread, thanks.

Just the other day someone asked me 'if you could have dinner with someone in history and ask them anything (and they would answer honestly), who would it be?' and one of the first three people I thought of was Allen Dulles.

[MinM]

Ughh Spielberg? Awful filmmaker. Jaws, Raiders, Close Encounters, some truly crappy flicks. Why do they let an amatuer like him near an important project like this? CIA all the way.

You do realize that there's a difference between mastering the technique of filmmaking, as Spielberg undoubtedly does, and having the moral fortitude to tackle murky parapolitical issues truthfully?

That's basically the point Jim DiEugenio makes at the 1-hour 19-minute mark in the podcast linked below. The "Talents" like Spielberg and Lucas, through brain-addling* special effects movies (i.e., Jaws, Raiders, Close Encounters...), signaled the end of a golden era (1964-1975) in Hollywood:

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black408b.mp3


http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=22905

*By using the charitable term brain-addling... I avoid getting bogged down in the psyop angle;o)
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Above is the post...

Show #582
Original airdate: June 14th, 2012
Guest: Jim DiEugenio / Robert Sterlie
Topics: JFK Assassination / Law Enforcement

Play Jim DiEugenio (1:54:58) Real Media or MP3 download

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# Loren Singer, The Parallax View (1974), The Manchurian Candidate (1962)

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black582a.mp3

and below are the videos DiEugenio alluded to at the end of last week's show.

[DrVolin]

Add The Domino Principle and The Conversation to the list.

[bks]

I'm looking at the pic from MinM above with Spielberg in it, and thinking: "Man, he looks like David Koresh!"

And then, with the magic of Google:
http://cheezburger.com/1770234624

[RocketMan]

MinM, I really said that?

I feel like having run into a double of myself at the mall... Go me!



DiEugenio said later in the program that he has re-written up to 80% of his book and post-ARRB it is THE definitive version of the book.

[zuestorz]

Some tidbits about the hidden side of the Dulles brother's covert connections to Nazi war-industry collaboration, with implications for how the bros' respective OSS/CIA and State Dept. influence was used to facilitate selective prosecutions of Nazi war criminals while excusing others who were rolled-over into aiding US intelligence, business and financial interests.

Don't forget the nazi scientists and engineers aiding US Defence industries, science and technology areas as well.

I'm quite convinced that the Dulle's bros were instrumental in managing & guiding the US's post-war decidedly right-wing lurch . . .

I can't agree that the Dulles family were in any position to jointly orchestrate official US Gov policy and political events to the extent you suggest until the Eisenhower Administration. The post-war 'lurch to the right' you refer to follows the impetus set by FDR and Harry Truman. A massive 'lurch to the right' is not a bad way to describe Truman's evolution from accidental commander-in-chief, to Coldwarrior between 45 and 48.

In short: The Dulles Brothers are among the pre-eminent scoundrels, traitors, mass-murderers, war-mongers, radical zealots and ideological opportunists that have poisoned our democracy with their brand of elitist special-interest rule by deceit-fraud-and-force that has betrayed American ideals and sabotaged the cause of justice, liberty, equality, opportunity & peace for untold hundreds of millions of people -- their legacy being the endemic corruption and degradation of this nation's society, politics, economics & ethical culture which has caused the numerous impending disasters the US now faces, ie. on the brink of global war, facing financial armegeddon, a bankrupt political process, 2-tiered 'justice', blatantly criminal 'leadership' and with collapse of the environment.
******
http://jasonweixelbaum.wordpress.com/20 ... ness-ties/

Collaboration in Context: New Historiographical Approaches to Alleged American/Nazi Business Ties

--snip quote--
A significant book that helps tie together some of the disparate studies that have been reviewed so far is Nancy Lisagor and Frank Lipsius’ The Untold Story of Sullivan & Cromwell (1988). Lisagor and Lipsius demonstrate that the law firm Sullivan & Cromwell was centrally involved in helping American corporate leaders consolidate economic and political power in the late nineteenth century.[22] They then explain that under the direction of John Foster Dulles from the early 1920s through the end of World War II, the firm helped create a network of holding companies, corporate managers, and lawyers, to facilitate corporate development within Germany.

Although Lisagor and Lipsius meant to simply produce a history of the firm from its inception to the 1980s, this work inadvertently presents a significant challenge to historians who would argue that American corporate cooperation with the Third Reich was uncoordinated and small scale. The authors demonstrate that Sullivan & Cromwell specialized in both maintaining managerial control and obscuring overseas corporate operations in providing legal representation for nearly all the businesses discussed here: Ford, GM, IBM, the BIS, IG Farben, ITT, Chase Bank, JP Morgan, and Standard Oil. Additionally, the authors show that influential policymakers, John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles on the American side, and Heinrich Albert and Gerhard Westrick on the German side, were intimately involved in these business relationships – dispelling the notion that their respective governments were completely uninvolved in these collaborative activities. Lisagor and Lipsius have called attention to a crucially important organization involved in these events, exposing the need for more research into the role they played in facilitating Nazi war aims.

--unquote--

Thanks StarmanSkye. Tremendous article by Weixelbaum and I'm going to be hunting for that Lisagor & Lipsius book.

Jim Di Eugenio wrote:

. . .Joe Green once told me that the Mosley book really underplays the Dulles cooperation and profiteering with the Nazis prior to the war, especially by Allen. It also underplays just how radical a change Allen made in the mission and culture of the CIA once he took the helm. Made possible by the presence of his brother at State.

When Truman wrote his famous December 1963 article condemning the CIA, SIdney Souers saw an early draft of it and sympathized with the sentiments by saying that Dulles had certainly twisted around the agency that Truman had Souers start up for him. To the point that they both barely recognized what had become of it. . .

This is a point that can (and should) be enlarged by wider reference. The facts are readily available. Truman approved the very first NSC recommendation 1/1 that did indeed authorize traditional spooky cloak and dagger stuff in November 1947 for the Italian elections, moreover, he specifically directed the incoming Secretary of State, General Marshall, to ‘coordinate psychological warfare against the communists in Italy.’ (C.Andrew For the Presidents Eyes Only,p172). But he went further than that by approving NSC 102 in December of the same year, ‘ ordering the creation within the CIA of an office to plan and engage in: propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures, subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance movements, guerillas and refugee liberation groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.’(ibid.p173).

To put the icing on the Cold Warrior cake of Harry S Truman, we have in his NSC 102 as Andrew points out,

‘. . .contrary to the maxim prominently displayed on Truman’s desk, the buck- as far as covert action was concerned - was not to reach the Oval Office. Covert operations Truman ordered, were to be so planned and executed that any US Government responsibility for them is not evident to unauthorized persons and if uncovered the US Government can plausibly disclaim any responsibility for them. (p173).

‘During his twenty-year retirement Truman sometimes seemed amazed, even somewhat appalled, at the size and power of the intelligence community he had brought into being. He wrote inaccurately to the managing editor of Look magazine in 1964 that he had never intended the CIA to do more than get ‘all the available information to the president. It was not intended to act as an international agency engaged in strange activities’. NSA was so secret that Truman did not mention it at all. He would probably have been pleased that his biographers have shown a similar disinclination to dwell on his responsibility for the creation of the biggest peacetime intelligence community in the history of western civilization.’ (p197-8.)

Andrew is undoubtedly right about this failure on the part of liberal historians. Robert Dallek, for example, is especially culpable in this regard. I'm reminded of the excellent article by Charles Davis from this thread:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34909

“There’s a long tradition of liberals, especially in the first few decades after the Cold War, of being opposed to, say, the vulgar witch-hunting, hysterical anti-communism of Joseph McCarthy,” says Madar, “but being supportive of the much more professional anti-communism of, say, Harvard University.” You can see the same dynamic at play now. Bush’s imperialism was crude and unilateral, so it was condemned; Obama’s is more sophisticated and multilateral, so it’s condoned – or cheered.