I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc.)

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby Hammer of Los » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:22 am

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2012countdown wrote:Hello Hammer, yes, sorry if I gave only a derisive statement to ABC123 guy.
I do that to myself too. I suppose its an attempt at self deprication and non commital, or realizing the limits, recognizing doubt, etc.


I fully understand.

It would appear you have a firm grip on the post modern double bind irony thing.

That's a great trick.

Here are another couple;

Practice thoroughgoing agnosticism; believe everything, believe nothing, doubt everything, doubt nothing.

Believe six impossible things before breakfast!

Be master of words!

If I have time I may watch the video again and formulate comments that are more immediately relevant.

But I doubt I shall.

I shall be honest, I didn't watch it all the way through even.

What happens to the Christ figure at the end of the movie?

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby 2012 Countdown » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:31 am

Hello Hammer,
Yes, I believe it can be worded as you state as well. "Practice thoroughgoing agnosticism; believe everything, believe nothing, doubt everything, doubt nothing." I didn't know there was a term for it. That pretty much sums it up. A poorly useful sponge. (see I did it again)

You didn't watch it all the way through? Its only 7 minutes. I can't give away the 'ending'. You should see the second half. Christ passes through what appears to be a cave/throat chakra (btw, pink lily pad is also the first chakra?), then passes the phallus lighthouse, Kali? and the pagans dance before Christ is exiting the vaginal cave...and the fishes! .... nuclear explosion Christ destroying the business suit army...you need to finish!

Funny comment-

WGAT THE FUCK AM I WATCHING?! DEAR GOD!


Watch it. Even on a entertainment level, its worth it. Here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OawJA6 ... _embedded#


Company: Heliophant

Sun lover?
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A hierophant is a person who brings religious congregants into the presence of that which is deemed holy. The word comes from Ancient Greece, where it was constructed from the combination of ta hiera, "the holy," and phainein, "to show." In Attica it was the title of the chief priest at the Eleusinian Mysteries. A hierophant is an interpreter of sacred mysteries and arcane principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierophant
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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:31 pm

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Three digits beneath the barcode. A guard with a shepherd. Smoke in the stacks.

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Drako follows the goat.

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Glaucus-Minerva.

Not a masonic theater, not quite.

For a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati - emulating the ancient schools of wisdom, and having a "Minerval Academy" as a foundation - would there have been a more fitting symbol than the Owl of Minerva?

The class of Minerval was a relatively low rank in the scheme of things. However, it was the soul of the Order, and functioned as a sort of assembly line for recruits.

Candidates advanced from Novice to the Minerval degree, where they were properly vetted, scrutinized, and indoctrinated. The Quibus Licet notebooks were introduced, maintained and thoroughly kept (which eventually turned into a detailed history of yourself and those around you). You were admonished to gain wisdom from figures in ancient Greece and Rome; essays were required to pass the test; and the art of Scrutator (or Physiognomy) was elevated to a sacred science. The Minerval Superior - a Minor or Major Illuminatus - was given the code: Nosce te ipsum; Nosce alios [Know thyself; Know others].

A Minerval Academy was also known as a Church; its meetings marked on the Illuminati's calendar as sacred...

During each Minerval ceremony, the initiates recited, and received a lecture upon, a translated and slightly altered version of the Ode to Wisdom by Elizabeth Carter (1717-1806):

ODE to WISDOM,
By a Lady.

I.

The solitary Bird of Night
Thro' the thick Shades now wings his Flight,
And quits his Time-shook Tow'r;
Where, shelter'd from the Blaze of Day,
In Philosophic Gloom he lay,
Beneath his Ivy Bow'r.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Articl ... inerva.htm


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midnight. one more person on the chart of evolution, the enlightened.

burning stag. lily.

"As a Deer longs for running streams,
so my souls longs for you O God.
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My soul thirsts for the living God" (Psalm 42)

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The Lily in Christian art is a well known symbol of chastity, innocence and purity.
In pictures of the Annunciation, or Salutation, the Archangel Gabriel is sometimes
depicted holding a Lily branch, or Mary herself is clasping a Lily, or there is a Lily in the
vicinity.
" Hail Mary fairest flower
O Lily glistening white and stainless !
I greet you at this time with
Gabriel's words sublime,
Ave O maid so highly favoured!"

There is an old tradition that the Lily sprang from the repentant tears of Eve as she went
forth from paradise. Here Mary can be seen as the New Eve, the Mother of life, who bore
the fruit that redeemed us all from sin and every fall.

http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/ ... bolism.pdf


And suddenly a startling realization arose in Lily: "This apple is not mine", she thought. "It belongs to someone else."

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white rabbit.

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the apple rolls past a black painted L and white C to a stop at O's silver tipped boot beneath which lies a gold coin. the apple handed back brings cold sweat.


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Graffiti.

Psalm 23

The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

-- KJV

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One of the roles of Anubis was "Guardian of the Scales".[10] Deciding the weight of "truth" by weighing the Heart against Ma'at, who was often depicted as an ostrich feather, Anubis dictated the fate of souls. In this manner, he was a Lord of the Underworld, only usurped by Osiris.

Anubis is a son of Ra in early myths, but later he became known as son of Osiris and Nephthys, and in this role he helped Isis mummify his dead father.[9] Indeed, when the Myth of Osiris and Isis emerged, it was said that when Osiris had been killed by Set, Osiris' organs were given to Anubis as a gift. With this connection, Anubis became the patron god of embalmers: during the funerary rites of mummification, illustrations from the Book of the Dead often show a priest wearing the jackal mask supporting the upright mummy. Anubis' half-brother is Horus the Child, son of Osiris and Isis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis


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the burning heart carried out of the darkness by Anubis. on his forehead a pyramid but no all seeing eye at its top. the eye there is is the third eye and it is the foundation of the pyramid. things once upside down are righted.

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the sorcerer is blind in his right eye (ordo). is one eyed (ab chao). television. monovision. objectivity. masonic (US) seal goatee.

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jets square and compass. L-C.

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the dance. the order wrought is crumbling. this is not my apple. here, you have it.

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To the ancient Egyptians, a lotus bud or sesen was a symbol of rebirth. It closes in the evening and falls to the water, but in the morning it opens and is lifted above the surface. Its behaviour emulates that of the sun. Because of this rising and setting, it is also a symbol of death and rebirth. According to one creation myth, a giant lotus emerged from the watery chaos at the beginning of time. Out of its centre, the sun itself rose on the first morning. However, this plant is not likely a true lotus but rather a waterlily. (Mythology does not generally have such distinctions.)

http://www.khandro.net/nature_plants_lotus.htm


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breathe.

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the church out of which Anubis carries the burning heart crumbles and so do the pyramids. toppling masonry.

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby Hammer of Los » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:28 am

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Heliofant.

Helios.

Infant.

Starchild.

Fascinating work;

http://www.3dworldmag.com/2012/07/06/fr ... t-goat-ii/

I watched it all.

I am glad the frozen world crumbles away to be replaced by a land of warmth, glimpsed briefly on the horizon.

I think.

I wonder what lies over the horizon.

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby Hammer of Los » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:38 pm

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A hierophant is an interpreter of sacred mysteries and arcane principles.


That would be me then.

I could do a better job than VK, although he did a super job himself.

The problem is, I would end up giving too much away.

Ha ha.

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby vanlose kid » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:31 pm

vanlose kid wrote:*

Three digits beneath the barcode. A guard with a shepherd. Smoke in the stacks.

Image

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got the KZ-lager, the camp guard and dog, the smokestacks, the electrified fence, but the goat kept bugging me. the esoteric face of it was plain, but the plain face?

Punishments and executions in Auschwitz Death Camp
Posted by admin on January 31st, 2011

Regulation punishment was applied in Auschwitz on the basis of written orders from the commandant or the camp director, as well as reports from SS men and prisoner functionaries. The most frequently punished infractions included all attempts at acquiring additional food, various forms of shirking work or working in an unsatisfactory way, doing things such as smoking or relieving oneself at the improper time, wearing non-regulation clothing, or attempting to commit suicide.

The punishments were completely arbitrary. Prisoners received different penalties for the same offenses. The most frequent punishments were flogging, confinement in block 11 in the main camp, “the post” (strappado or “hanging torture”), or assignment to the penal company.

Prisoners were flogged publicly during evening roll call, at first over a stool and later over a special construction called the “goat.” In the main camp, prisoners were also flogged in the courtyard of block 11, or inside that block. The prisoner’s feet were immobilized in a wooden box, his abdomen rested on the “goat,” and his arms were stretched forward. SS men or prisoner functionaries administered the flogging, using heavy sticks or a bullwhip. The prisoner being flogged usually had to count out the number of blows in German. If he lost count, the punishment started over from the beginning. The highest number of blows was supposed to be 25, but this depended in practice on the SS men or prisoner functionaries doing the flogging.

http://auschwitztourguide.com/punishmen ... eath-camp/


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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby 2012 Countdown » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:05 pm

Thank you for your posts...Vkid thank you for the info!

Lots of nonsense and made up theories based on faulty interpretations and crazy made up crap. (non posted here btw)

Anyway, here is a relatively sane person trying to decipher some parts. he misses a lot, but there is a lot to interpret. Aslo gets some stuff wrong, imo, but he is trying:







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Postby 2012 Countdown » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:39 pm

Original soundtrack "the Stream", written and performed by Tanuki Project. http://www.thetanukiproject.com

Some of the stellar artists that worked on this project:
http://www.strob.net
http://www.huguescoupal.com
http://www.sebastienlarroude.com
http://www.arnaudbrisebois.carbonmade.com
http://www.daverand.com

Animation is about half keyframe animation and half motion capture.
Motion capture recording by Lartech.
Main softwares used: Maya, Vray, FumeFX, RealFlow

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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby Hammer of Los » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:02 pm

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I see Lord Shiva carries the fleur de lys.

The sacred forked lightning.

I tried to get the missus to read "Lord of Light," but she didn't get very far.

Kali?

Hashish?

Assassins?

Cue Marillion song.

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Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Those mindless crazy conspiracy idiots who find "OMG ILLUMINAI SYMBOLISM!111" in every music video make me glad I am in no way shape or form associated with any of that stuff.
Half the bands I love drop esoterica into their music videos for the hell of it.
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Re: I, Pet Goat II by Heliofant (anim. 9/11, Bush/Obama, etc

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:17 pm

"Lord of Light" - where's Hugh when we need him. :rofl2

CIA cover stories are generally designed to be mundane and unlikely to attract attention. That’s how Mendez’s plan started out.

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He was stuck. For about a week, no one in Washington or Ottawa could invent a reason for anyone to be in Tehran. Then Mendez hit upon an unusual but strangely credible plan: He’d become Kevin Costa Harkins, an Irish film producer leading his preproduction crew through Iran to do some location scouting for a big-budget Hollywood epic. Mendez had contacts in Hollywood from past collaborations. (After all, they were in the same business of creating false realities.) And it wouldn’t be surprising, Mendez thought, that a handful of eccentrics from Tinseltown might be oblivious to the political situation in revolutionary Iran. The Iranian government, incredibly, was trying to encourage international business in the country. They needed the hard currency, and a film production could mean millions of US dollars.

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All they needed now was a film — and Chambers had the perfect script. Months before, he had received a call from a would-be producer named Barry Geller. Geller had purchased the rights to Roger Zelazny’s science fiction novel, Lord of Light, written his own treatment, raised a few million dollars in starting capital from wealthy investors, and hired Jack Kirby, the famous comic book artist who cocreated X-Men, to do concept drawings. Along the way, Geller imagined a Colorado theme park based on Kirby’s set designs that would be called Science Fiction Land; it would include a 300-foot-tall Ferris wheel, voice-operated mag-lev cars, a “planetary control room” staffed by robots, and a heated dome almost twice as tall as the Empire State Building.

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Mendez disappeared. He had a contact at the airport and went to check on the flight status. No sooner had he learned that the delay would be short than they heard the announcement: “Swissair flight 363, ready for immediate departure.” As they boarded the plane from the windy tarmac, Anders noticed the word AARGAU was printed across the fuselage — the name of the Swiss region where the plane originated was strangely similar to that of their cover story. He punched Mendez’s arm and said, “You guys arrange everything, don’t you?”


http://www.wired.com/magazine/2007/04/feat_cia/

BTW Kali is great, tho ... the whole thing is way more complex than even that thin 2012 c/d posted.

She danced as she fought the demon Raktivija, it was a wild and terrible dance that almost destroyed the world. It had to be as she killed every new Raktivija that sprung from his blood as it hit the ground, so she also licked every drop that fell. There's a bit more - it always gets lost in translation. And my daughter, who is named in Kali's honour (tho not called Kali obviously) just woke up from her midday nap.

Just played her that thing 2012 posted and she squealed with delight all the way thru it.

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Postby Hammer of Los » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:27 pm

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Geller?

Jack Kirby?

Studio 6?

Flight 363?

Arg o?

Golden Fleece?

What a strange story.

Oh, your dad was right about Maya, Joe.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:32 pm

Hammer of Los wrote:...



Oh, your dad was right about Maya, Joe.

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:rofl2 :praybow :praybow
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:20 am

Vkids post for immediate comaprison-
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And the construction called the “goat.” info...solid.

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Find out how 3D artist Louis Lefebvre created this animated CG short film, I, pet goat II, using Maya, V-Ray FumeFX and RealFlow
3dworld | Shorts | Showcase |

We saw I, pet goat II a few days ago and caught up with creator Louis Lefebvre to ask him about character design, environment design, the layout work, the art direction, matte painting and more.

3D World: In your own words, please describe what happens in I, pet goat II.
Louis Lefebvre: The film came to me in a visual form. That is I kept seeing vivid images and symbols and I decided to follow these and see where they led.

Much like I have read about certain authors who start a book having only a character in mind and the book will be an exploration of what that character has to tell them. In my case, I kept seeing the central character on the boat and it was as if he was saying “Follow me”. I felt that I would be led to a deeper peace if I did.

So the film is about a journey through the landscape of my personal suffering using very universal symbols, a journey that leads to a more peaceful abiding place.

Throughout the process I tried to follow the story in its visual form [rather than over thinking things]. When things made sense visually and rhythmically, I went with that. In fact many times it wasn’t clear to me what the images meant and I found multiple explanations. And many people have given me alternative explanations. I think it works well that way evoking different things for different people.

Having said that, the story is clearly about the crumbling away of the hierarchical world based on control and the rising up of the spiritual man, awake to his divine nature, free of intermediaries.

3D World: What were the film’s influences, both story-wise and stylistically?
LL: I am very interested in mystical writings whether Christian, Sufiism, Advaita, Zen or others.

Films like Baraka have had a deep impact on me. Baraka mixes a gorgeous soundtrack with stunning cinematography.

Also films like the Wall I guess, to which I responded very viscerally as a child because of the intense musical score and the strong symbolism, or the Triplettes of Belleville with its mixture of dance, music and animation. Both have a strong critical message too. Which I like. Wrapping these very hard subjects in pleasing visuals and luring rhythms makes it much easier to get your point across. That’s why I chose cute little characters with vivid colors. The story line was already dark enough.

Stylistically, the initial inspiration was a Christian orthodox icon of a Christ figure in flaming reds and yellows. The idea of using gold leaf also came from there. I knew I could make it as detailed as these types of paintings so I experimented with rough brush strokes to give it an art class (a little messy) kind of finish.

There is a bit of Dali in there and the Group of Seven Painters which is a group of Canadian painters from the early twentieth century, some native American art, and many other influences in there I am sure.

3D World: What did you do on the short and what was the hardest job?
LL: Many people have contacted me thinking that we are a small company with a permanent crew. I guess that’s my fault for the way it is presented on the website. And it is my hope for the future. I am presently talking to a few producers and perhaps it will happen. We shall see.

But the truth of the matter is that it has been a mostly solitary endeavor with a few contractors hired as I needed them.
Mostly I was helped with the VFX work, the dance, the motion capture recording, some design work for the environments and some matte painting. And the music and sound.

My two pillars which did most of the VFX work were Jocelyn Simard (aka Strob of Iron Baby fame) and Hugues Coupal. Hugues was also assistant art director when I needed a second pair of eyes.

So that leaves me all of the modeling, the texturing, character animation and rigging, and most of the lighting except for effects lighting. I did all of the character design, some of the environment design, the layout work, the art direction and some matte painting.

I even was the voice at the beginning of the short.

The hardest job for me was definitely the direction; the story telling. I had never done such an extensive short so I was very insecure about my ability to do it. The subject matter was so daunting and I felt so unsure as to if I could pull it off, that it brought up a lot of stuff for me. That was the process, which was very difficult but also very rewarding.

3D World: How long did I, pet goat II take to produce?
LL: The idea started to germinate probably in 2005. As I said I kept seeing the central figure on his boat. I started to take small stabs at it while doing other work. And it started taking up more and more of my time until 2008 when I started doing it full time and hiring people punctually.

"I never thought it would take so much time," says Louis. "At first I wasn't aiming at such a high quality and the story wasn't as elaborate. But as time went on it just kept pulling me in further"

3D World: What 3D software did you use and why?
LL: I used Maya and V-Ray. Just because I have been using Maya since our company was beta testing it in the beginning when I was working in San Jose. I know myself around it really well. I script in mel and also do some coding in c++.
I chose V-Ray for the rendering because I really liked its ease of use, the way the light behaved in a natural manner and also just liked how the sss and color seemed to come out.

We used FumeFx for the natural smoke and RealFlow for the water shots.

3D World: What was the most useful piece of 3D software and why?
LL: Definitely Maya since it was the one that was overwhelmingly used on a day to day basis. Over the years I have developed an important toolset of scripts and plug-ins that help me rig more efficiently.

Most of my rigging is scripted to allow you to make easy changes at any time. In fact, even if I was alone for the character creation (modeling, animation, texturing) I approached it as a bigger studio would, having things scripted and sharing up assets (puppets, animation…).
I made making changes a lot easier.

3D World: What was the most impressive technical aspect of the project and how was it achieved using 3D software?
LL: Definitely the most technically challenging shots were the smoke and the crumbling infrastructure shots. The crumbling towers, the army of business men and the collapsing church specifically. Strob did the smoke and Hugues Coupal did the collapsing church. Strob used FumeFx in 3ds and it took some time before getting what I wanted. Same with the collapsing church. I know Hugues did a lot of scripting to get that falling the way it did. He did scripting to get all the uvs working properly and also to get the various sections to collapse at different times.

The most technically challenging shots were the smoke and the crumbling infrastructure shots

Also, just trying to coordinate everything on my end with all the smoke work which was not being done physically in the same place as me. Strob was doing the smoke from home and he was working in 3ds. Getting everything to match (lighting, cameras…) was a big headache for me. I really learned to appreciate the value of a good supervisor and coordinator.

3D World: Did you do anything wrong in the production? Did you learn anything from producing I, pet goat II?
LL: I made a lot of mistakes and much of these mistakes had to do with just not having directed or art directed anything before. I had a very strong feeling about what I wanted to say but not necessarily a clear picture of how things were going to look or be strung together in the end. So I spent a lot of time redoing things, remodeling characters, retexturing, relighting as I progressed in my craft. What I learned most I think from this project was a sense of confidence. I think if I end up doing another one, I will go straight to the point much faster, with more clarity.

Louis Lefebvre has been working in animation since 1998. He animated doctor Sid in the movie Final Fantasy: the spirit within, and worked in the animation and rigging departments at Weta for the Lord of the Rings: the Two Towers.

We’ll be doing a Meet the 3D Artist post featuring Louis Lefebvre next week
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Postby Forgetting2 » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:49 am

The thing that struck me most about this video, of all the short videos I've seen which delve into this arena, is that I actually felt something watching it.
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