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New Norman Finklestein article: Boycott Israel l

Postby darkbeforedawn » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:49 pm

This guy has guts. This nice jewish boy is blowing their cover!!<br>January 18, 2006<br><br>Human Rights Violations, War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity<br>Why an Economic Boycott of Israel is Justified<br>By NORMAN FINKELSTEIN<br><br>EDITORs' NOTE: In early January Kristin Halvorsen, current Norwegian Finance Minister and leader of the Left Socialist Party (a member of the current three-party governmental coalition), expressed her personal and party support for a Norwegian boycott of Israeli goods and services. Almost immediately the Israeli ambassador to Norway protested and Condoleezza Rice threatened Norway with "serious political consequences" if Halvorsen's statement represented the policy of the current government. Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre then dashed off a letter to Rice (addressed "Dear Condi"), assuring her that the Left Socialist Party's position on a economic boycott of Israel "has never been and will never be" the policy of the Norwegian government. For her part Halvorsen distanced herself from her previous statements, as top leaders of the foreign affairs department criticized her and drew parallels between a boycott of Israeli goods and the Nazi boycott of Jewish shops. Finklestein's piece was published in Norway's most influential newspaper Aftenposten this past week. <br><br>The recent proposal that Norway boycott Israeli goods has provoked passionate debate. In my view, a rational examination of this issue would pose two questions: <br><br>1) Do Israeli human rights violations warrant an economic boycott? and<br><br>2) Can such a boycott make a meaningful contribution toward ending these violations? I would argue that both these questions should be answered in the affirmative.<br><br>Although the subject of many reports by human rights organizations, Israel's real human rights record in the Occupied Palestinian Territory is generally not well known abroad. This is primarily due to the formidable public relations industry of Israel's defenders as well as the effectiveness of their tactics of intimidation, such as labeling critics of Israeli policy anti-Semitic. <br><br>Yet, it is an incontestable fact that Israel has committed a broad range of human rights violations, many rising to the level of war crimes and crimes against humanity. These include:<br><br>Illegal Killings. <br><br>Whereas Palestinian suicide attacks targeting Israeli civilians have garnered much media attention, Israel's quantitatively worse record of killing non-combatants is less well known. According to the most recent figures of the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories (B'Tselem), 3,386 Palestinians have been killed since September 2000, of whom 1,008 were identified as combatants, as opposed to 992 Israelis killed, of whom 309 were combatants. This means that three times more Palestinians than Israelis have been killed and up to three times more Palestinian civilians than Israeli civilians. Israel's defenders maintain that there's a difference between targeting civilians and inadvertently killing them. B'Tselem disputes this: <br><br>"[W]hen so many civilians have been killed and wounded, the lack of intent makes no difference. Israel remains responsible." Furthermore, Amnesty International reports that "many" Palestinians have not been accidentally killed but "deliberately targeted," while the award-winning New York Times journalist Chris Hedges reports that Israeli soldiers "entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."<br><br>Torture. <br><br>"From 1967," Amnesty reports, "the Israeli security services have routinely tortured Palestinian political suspects in the Occupied Territories." B'Tselem found that eighty-five percent of Palestinians interrogated by Israeli security services were subjected to "methods constituting torture," while already a decade ago Human Rights Watch estimated that "the number of Palestinians tortured or severely ill-treated" was "in the tens of thousands ­ a number that becomes especially significant when it is remembered that the universe of adult and adolescent male Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza is under three-quarters of one million." In 1987 Israel became "the only country in the world to have effectively legalized torture" (Amnesty). Although the Israeli Supreme Court seemed to ban torture in a 1999 decision, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel reported in 2003 that Israeli security forces continued to apply torture in a "methodical and routine" fashion. A 2001 B'Tselem study documented that Israeli security forces often applied "severe torture" to "Palestinian minors." <br><br>House demolitions. <br><br>"Israel has implemented a policy of mass demolition of Palestinian houses in the Occupied Territories," B'Tselem reports, and since September 2000 "has destroyed some 4,170 Palestinian homes." Until just recently Israel routinely resorted to house demolitions as a form of collective punishment. According to Middle East Watch, apart from Israel, the only other country in the world that used such a draconian punishment was Iraq under Saddam Hussein. In addition, Israel has demolished thousands of "illegal" homes that Palestinians built because of Israel's refusal to provide building permits. The motive behind destroying these homes, according to Amnesty, has been to maximize the area available for Jewish settlers: "Palestinians are targeted for no other reason than they are Palestinians." Finally, Israel has destroyed hundred of homes on security pretexts, yet a Human Rights Watch report on Gaza found that "the pattern of destructionstrongly suggests that Israeli forces demolished homes wholesale, regardless of whether they posed a specific threat." Amnesty likewise found that "Israel's extensive destruction of homes and properties throughout the West Bank and Gazais not justified by military necessity," and that "Some of these acts of destruction amount to grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention and are war crimes."<br><br>Apart from the sheer magnitude of its human rights violations, the uniqueness of Israeli policies merits notice. "Israel has created in the Occupied Territories a regime of separation based on discrimination, applying two separate systems of law in the same area and basing the rights of individuals on their nationality," B'Tselem has concluded. "This regime is the only one of its kind in the world, and is reminiscent of distasteful regimes from the past, such as the apartheid regime in South Africa." If singling out South Africa for an international economic boycott was defensible, it would seem equally defensible to single out Israel's occupation, which uniquely resembles the apartheid regime.<br><br>Although an economic boycott can be justified on moral grounds, the question remains whether diplomacy might be more effectively employed instead. The documentary record in this regard, however, is not encouraging. The basic terms for resolving the Israel-Palestine conflict are embodied in U.N. resolution 242 and subsequent U.N. resolutions, which call for a full Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza and the establishment of a Palestinian state in these areas in exchange for recognition of Israel's right to live in peace and security with its neighbors. Each year the overwhelming majority of member States of the United Nations vote in favor of this two-state settlement, and each year Israel and the United States (and a few South Pacific islands) oppose it. Similarly, in March 2002 all twenty-two member States of the Arab League proposed this two-state settlement as well as "normal relations with Israel." Israel ignored the proposal. <br><br>Not only has Israel stubbornly rejected this two-state settlement, but the policies it is currently pursuing will abort any possibility of a viable Palestinian state. While world attention has been riveted by Israel's redeployment from Gaza, Sara Roy of Harvard University observes that the "Gaza Disengagement Plan is, at heart, an instrument for Israel's continued annexation of West Bank land and the physical integration of that land into Israel." In particular Israel has been constructing a wall deep inside the West Bank that will annex the most productive land and water resources as well as East Jerusalem, the center of Palestinian life. It will also effectively sever the West Bank in two. Although Israel initially claimed that it was building the wall to fight terrorism, the consensus among human rights organizations is that it is really a land grab to annex illegal Jewish settlements into Israel. Recently Israel's Justice Minister frankly acknowledged that the wall will serve as "the future border of the state of Israel."<br><br>The current policies of the Israeli government will lead either to endless bloodshed or the dismemberment of Palestine. "It remains virtually impossible to conceive of a Palestinian state without its capital in Jerusalem," the respected Crisis Group recently concluded, and accordingly Israeli policies in the West Bank "are at war with any viable two-state solution and will not bolster Israel's security; in fact, they will undermine it, weakening Palestinian pragmatistsand sowing the seeds of growing radicalization." <br><br>Recalling the U.N. Charter principle that it is inadmissible to acquire territory by war, the International Court of Justice declared in a landmark 2004 opinion that Israel's settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and the wall being built to annex them to Israel were illegal under international law. It called on Israel to cease construction of the wall, dismantle those parts already completed and compensate Palestinians for damages. Crucially, it also stressed the legal responsibilities of the international community:<br><br>all States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem. They are also under an obligation not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction. It is also for all States, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to see to it that any impediment, resulting from the construction of the wall, to the exercise by the Palestinian people of its right to self-determination is brought to an end.<br><br>A subsequent U.N. General Assembly resolution supporting the World Court opinion passed overwhelmingly. However, the Israeli government ignored the Court's opinion, continuing construction at a rapid pace, while Israel's Supreme Court ruled that the wall was legal.<br><br>Due to the obstructionist tactics of the United States, the United Nations has not been able to effectively confront Israel's illegal practices. Indeed, although it is true that the U.N. keeps Israel to a double standard, it's exactly the reverse of the one Israel's defenders allege: Israel is held not to a higher but lower standard than other member States. A study by Marc Weller of Cambridge University comparing Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory with comparable situations in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, East Timor, occupied Kuwait and Iraq, and Rwanda found that Israel has enjoyed "virtual immunity" from enforcement measures such as an arms embargo and economic sanctions typically adopted by the U.N. against member States condemned for identical violations of international law. <br><br>Due in part to an aggressive campaign accusing Europe of a "new anti-Semitism," the European Union has also failed in its legal obligation to enforce international law in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Although the claim of a "new anti-Semitism" has no basis in fact (all the evidence points to a lessening of anti-Semitism in Europe), the EU has reacted by appeasing Israel. It has even suppressed publication of one of its own reports, because the authors ­ like the Crisis Group and many others ­ concluded that due to Israeli policies the "prospects for a two-state solution with east Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine are receding."<br><br>The moral burden to avert the impending catastrophe must now be borne by individual states that are prepared to respect their obligations under international law and by individual men and women of conscience. In a courageous initiative American-based Human Rights Watch recently called on the U.S. government to reduce significantly its financial aid to Israel until Israel terminates its illegal policies in the West Bank. An economic boycott would seem to be an equally judicious undertaking. A nonviolent tactic the purpose of which is to achieve a just and lasting settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict cannot legitimately be called anti-Semitic. Indeed, the real enemies of Jews are those who debase the memory of Jewish suffering by equating principled opposition to Israel's illegal and immoral policies with anti-Semitism.<br><br>Norman Finkelstein's most recednt book is Beyond Chutzpah: On the misuse of anti-Semitism and the abuse of history (University of California Press). His web site is www.NormanFinkelstein.com. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Norman Finklestein......

Postby slimmouse » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:01 pm

<br><br> Norman Finklestein is to the Zionist PTB ,what any self respecting White Anglo Saxon Protestant such as myself is to the Bush/Blair and all the other evil fucks in league with them.<br><br> With the greatest respect to Jeff however, if Finkelstein were to post on here, would he be banned ? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 1/20/06 8:04 pm<br></i>
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Re: Norman Finklestein......

Postby eric144 » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:19 pm

Would BBC Pentagon correspondent Adam Brookes be breaking the rules of this forum by saying Israel spies against the USA when israel denies it. Sounds like a Jewish conspiravy theory to me.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4633120.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4633120.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> senior Israeli official denied that Israel had operated Franklin as a spy. BBC Pentagon correspondent Adam Brookes says the case has sent a chill through Washington. <br><br>The conviction doesn't accuse Israel of activating Franklin or tempting him," said Mr Steinitz.<br><br>It has made American officials more sensitive than ever about what they say on the subject of foreign policy and to whom they say it, and it has raised the question of just how much Israel conducts espionage against its greatest ally, the US, our correspondent adds. <br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Norman Finklestein......

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:24 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Would BBC Pentagon correspondent Adam Brookes be breaking the rules of this forum by saying Israel spies against the USA when israel denies it.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Of course not.<br><br>As I've stated repeatedly, debating Israel and its deep politics is legitimate and on topic. <br><br>Illegitimate? Blood libel, "false Jews," "are you a Jew?", etc. <br><br>Please note, if you will, the difference. <p></p><i></i>
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boycotting Israel is technically illegal in the USA, fyi

Postby glubglubglub » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:19 am

though I suspect the political shitstorm that'd fly were a boycott to get going and the law enforced would make even the JDL afraid of inciting a backlash...organizing economic boycotts against friendly nations can be prosecuted, although it seldom is. food for thought. <p></p><i></i>
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: Norman Finklestein......

Postby ir » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:43 am

Jeff, how come Francis parker yikes is still writing here undisturbed ? if I remember correctly, DE pointed to her extracurricular writings on the "parasitic races"...i think that is one step lower than Zundell. (whose freedom of bad speech I defended, as it related to Israel).<br><br>"Mutual hatred and mutual persecution only strengthened the Jewish race, sharpened its cunning, and increased its resentment." St. Francis (according to DE's post, hope they are accurate). <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: : Norman Finklestein......

Postby Dreams End » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:17 am

Francis was a real person....whoever is posting here is just using the name. The quotes were from Yates' "Imperium" and the link will take you to the full text. <br><br>And Jeff...thanks for taking a stand....and now you'll be taking the heat. Maybe you could just ban "whining about not being able to post stuff about Jewish Lizard people"? <p></p><i></i>
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still

Postby ir » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:46 am

if she is using the name to make the same statement...<br><br>DE, as for your suggestion, I think banning should be specific. There are some people, with honest questions, even about lizards. banning only reinforces ignorance. those who "know better" and do it to spite, are exposed after a while anyway.<br><br>I had a very good friend, whom I met in law school in the USA, she was born and raised in Bogota Colombia, a bright young lady but somewhat parochial in terms of knowledge. When we became friends I offered her once a chewing gum, that I received from Israel. She was flushed red, and giggled it took me a while and she asked me if it was "kosher", I laughed, and then she said that Kosher means it must have blood in it. So "we had the talk" and apparently she, like many other upper class Colombians, was raised catholic and her entire schooling was in a nun-run women only catholic school. this is what she was taught perhaps in pre school, and it "stuck" with her. and since she wasn't a very intellectual type, it never occurred to her to read about these matters, and she had no incentive too, cause it never came up, before she first left her hometown to the big world. <br>I think its worth while to address those questions with an open heart, at least initially, in case some people are just misinformed. <br>Plus, in no way do I want to see the discussion on Israel stifled, so I would rather let some culprits run free than ban even one innocent query. to paraphrase the legal maxim. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: still

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:53 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Jeff, how come Francis parker yikes is still writing here undisturbed ?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I haven't seen it. Can someone send me a link? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: still

Postby Dreams End » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:59 am

My point was that francis knew exactly who s/he was borrowing the name of. No chance that this was accidental. Jeff, Francis showed up in the "Makow" thread in the firepit. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm35.showMessageRange?topicID=34.topic&start=41&stop=60">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...41&stop=60</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I don't know that Francis crosses the threshold...but I posted several quotes from the actual Yockey's book so people would know the perspective of the poster. I believe he/she showed up in your "what's welcome here " thread as well. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: still

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:21 am

Thanks. Yockey's been banned. As will all fascist usernames. <p></p><i></i>
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back to the thread - economic boycott

Postby ir » Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:44 am

I find it strange that Finkelstein is asking the EU to ban Israel, while he is a citizen of the USA which is main reason those atrocities are committed. Is he afraid to address his own government ? if the USA stopped only 15 percent of its military aid to Israel, no ban would be required.<br>What I find distasteful with americn Jewish liberals who make a business out of criticizing israel (justly so, on the merits)- is that they see no problem with how they are allowed to chicken out from their awful government (Bushco) but Israelis and now EUROPEANS should have th courage to stand up against Bush-Israeli government alliance. I'd say, each person should start in their own back yard before they go on hunting the cowards in other places. we are all facing the same monster...I find it particularly depressing of course, since I have had several arguments over the internet with similar people, who yell at me "fascist" (for being collectively accountable for Israel's human rights violations, not withstanding the fact that I am trying to tell them I am victimized by said government), who are Jewish, and who are unable to tackle the thugs even in their own schule, let alone government. And they wlil not raise a finger to help a dissident israeli.<br>----<br>The US adminstration prevents any meaningful opposition to ANY of its sponsored atrocities and client state's atrocities. But would a ban be effective ? I think a more focused ban is possible and effective like the one on the two Israeli universities by UK teachers' union. Or, a ban similar to NZ's temporary withholding visas from Israeli military people, or such like. general economic boycot is just impracticle, as long as Bush doesn't want it. EU is not being hypocritical, they are just as concerned about their own economic interests, why should they suffer losses, if Finkelstein is not willing to?<br>---<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: back to the thread - economic boycott

Postby eric144 » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:19 am

" find it strange that Finkelstein is asking the EU to ban Israel, while he is a citizen of the USA which is main reason those atrocities are committed. Is he afraid to address his own government ?"<br><br>He knows his own government is controlled by neocons, the majority of whom are Jews (the PNAC). These people are Israel firsters as are Cheney, Rumsfeld, Robertson, Falwell, Bolton and all their hired hands in congress. <br><br>He doesn't realise that arguably the most powerful man in the EU, trade commisioner Peter mandelsson is a Jewish neocon with major CIA connections and a personal friend of other arch neocon Rupert Murdoch's daughter.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 1/21/06 4:28 am<br></i>
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Re: Norman Finklestein......

Postby eric144 » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:36 am

"Are you Jewish" was the question.<br><br>In the context of little attack psycho-chimp Dream's End saying 'us' in the context of IR and Jewishness it was a very reasonable question. He is constantly accusing people of being nazis because he is stupid.<br><br>Calling Blavatsky and Bailey nazis is like a chimpanzee saying cars are designed to kill because he saw chimps being run over.once He should be banned for being an even bigger moron than you, Jeff.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 1/21/06 4:38 am<br></i>
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Re: back to the thread - economic boycott

Postby eric144 » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:44 am

EU is not being hypocritical, they are just as concerned about their own economic interests, why should they suffer losses, if Finkelstein is not willing to?
<br><br>Are you trying to spread the anti-semitic theory that Jews have major power overl global finance or trade ? EU trade with Israel must be very small indeed, almost irrelevant. Are you saying that non Israeli Jews would act against the EU, isn't tat anti-semitic also ? <p></p><i></i>
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