The Antics of Alex Jones

[Jeff]

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

[Hammer of Los]

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Everything has a shadow side.

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[justdrew]

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Everything has a shadow side.

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even a shadow?

[Ben D]

There can't be a shadow without light..

Isaiah 45.7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

[Hammer of Los]

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Yes.

Even the Shadow has a shadow.

The Shadow's Shadow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow

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[Wombaticus Rex]

In this chapter, the idea is given that all limitation
and evil is an exceedingly rare accident; there can be
no night in the whole of the Solar System, except in rare
spots, where the shadow of a planet is cast by itself.
It is a serious misfortune that we happen to live in a
tiny corner of the system, where the darkness reaches such
a high figure as 50 per cent.

The same is true of moral and spiritual conditions.

Via: Book of Lies, commentary Lambda-Zeta

[Hammer of Los]

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In this chapter, the idea is given that all limitation
and evil is an exceedingly rare accident; there can be
no night in the whole of the Solar System, except in rare
spots, where the shadow of a planet is cast by itself.
It is a serious misfortune that we happen to live in a
tiny corner of the system, where the darkness reaches such
a high figure as 50 per cent.

The same is true of moral and spiritual conditions.

Via: Book of Lies, commentary Lambda-Zeta

What rot.

Book of Lies indeed.

There are no accidents.

There is always a balancing.

Furthermore: in God's sight there is no evil.

And also: God knows no limitation.

Don't you know that you are an Ancient Giant, Wombat?

I'm sure of it.

Nothing is good or evil but thinking makes it so.

A shadow is simply a shadow.

I still recall my numinous beginning.

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[compared2what?]

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I have a lesson for the brainpanhandler;

Gestalt theory and practice are the same as the Pure Mind, Pure Land doctrine of the ultimate boddhisatvas.

I certainly observe gestalt theory.

It ain't no theory to me.

The death of the old man that is risen again in Christ is metaphorical.

Perhaps not surprisingly, insofar as I am a follower of Christianity, which I'm not, it is of the mystical persuasion.

To the trained eye universal truths are revealed.

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I'd kind of like to see that rephrased lovingly some day. It would be very well suited to that kind of approach. And I mean that in a truly (unshadow-y) Christian spirit. Because, for one thing, I have no idea what the quarrel is here. Although that is just one thing. There are others.

[compared2what?]

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

I disagree. I don't actually think Christianity is such a system. But I do think a system with equivalent staying power can be only shadow.

Theory.

[justdrew]

So this fellow took the Story (as told by Jones and many other story tellers, this seems more Fox driven than prison planet driven though) a little too seriously...

Virginia man kills family and himself over fear Obama would be re-elected
By Arturo Garcia | Friday, September 28, 2012 17:10 EDT

A Virginia man allegedly killed himself and his family earlier this week in part because he was upset by the thought of President Barack Obama being re-elected.

“He felt that our God-given rights were being taken away,” a family friend identified as “Maggie L.” told The Daily Mail. “He didn’t like where the country was going.”

The friend said Albert Peterson, a defense contractor, had a history of paranoia and was also affected by a favorite uncle’s recent suicide. On Wednesday, The Washington Post reported that Peterson, his wife Kathleen and their two sons, Matthew and Christopher, were found dead in their home.

According to The Mail, authorities believe Peterson shot his wife and the children before turning the gun on himself. Maggie told the newspaper that his family had a history of mental illness; his father killed himself when Peterson was young, and the death of his mother five years ago, she said, nearly drove him to suicide before Kathleen saved him.

But more recently, Maggie said, Peterson was behaving erratically, sending paranoid political emails daily to family and friends.

“They were very well off people and they saved a lot of money,” she said about the Petersons. “He couldn’t understand how the government could be so irresponsible and he thought it would be on the backs of his boys.”

WJLA-TV reported on Wednesday that friends of the family and classmates of Matthew and Christopher held a vigil to support each other.

“It doesn’t really hit you until you get to school to know that you’re never going to see them at school anymore, or anytime,” said a family friend, Jazmine Mitchell.

WJLA’s report from the vigil for the Peterson family, aired Wednesday night, can be seen below.

Raw Story (http://s.tt/1oEms)

Our "god-given" rights. bullshit. too bad we have had to do all the fighting for them. A little hand would be nice. Does the "god-given" rights include the right to own slaves and sell your daughters? Or did WE amend those rights successfully out of the question a long time ago?

[Hammer of Los]

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I have a lesson for the brainpanhandler;

Gestalt theory and practice are the same as the Pure Mind, Pure Land doctrine of the ultimate boddhisatvas.

I certainly observe gestalt theory.

It ain't no theory to me.

The death of the old man that is risen again in Christ is metaphorical.

Perhaps not surprisingly, insofar as I am a follower of Christianity, which I'm not, it is of the mystical persuasion.

To the trained eye universal truths are revealed.

...

I'd kind of like to see that rephrased lovingly some day. It would be very well suited to that kind of approach. And I mean that in a truly (unshadow-y) Christian spirit. Because, for one thing, I have no idea what the quarrel is here. Although that is just one thing. There are others.

Lovingly?

That's just a tiny tap.

I love the brainpanhandler.

We troll only ourselves.

I have no quarrel with any.

Yes, I guess maybe I am a little pompous.

Oh yes, the shadow.

Only a child is afraid of the dark.

A man grown to adulthood knows that in the dark he may find himself.

He knows that the refuge is within.

The inviolable tower.

You may meet others there.

Stopper the doors.

I'm definitely rambling far off topic now.

Sorry 'bout that.

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[brainpanhandler]

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

I disagree. I don't actually think Christianity is such a system. But I do think a system with equivalent staying power can be only shadow.

Theory.

You don't think christianity is a system powerful enough to command obedience and therefore possessed of a shadow side but despite it's staying power not exclusively so?

Are we talking jungian shadow here? What kind of shadow are we talking about?

And a system with the equivalent staying power ( replication/immunilogical power) of christianity can be only shadow? Can a belief system exist without adherents? Can adherents be solely shadow?

[JackRiddler]

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

I disagree. I don't actually think Christianity is such a system. But I do think a system with equivalent staying power can be only shadow.

Theory.

You don't think christianity is a system powerful enough to command obedience and therefore possessed of a shadow side but despite it's staying power not exclusively so?

This one confused me too. I think c2w? mangled the syntax a little since it was response. I want to get my bet in on what she meant:

1) A system can be only shadow and stick around for millennia. (This is the part she disagrees with you on.)

2) That doesn't mean Christianity is only shadow, but has both light and shadow, as you would also agree.

3) And of course Christianity is a really powerful system to stick around so long, one way or another.

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[compared2what?]

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

I disagree. I don't actually think Christianity is such a system. But I do think a system with equivalent staying power can be only shadow.

Theory.

You don't think christianity is a system powerful enough to command obedience and therefore possessed of a shadow side but despite it's staying power not exclusively so?

This one confused me too. I think c2w? mangled the syntax a little since it was response. I want to get my bet in on what she meant:

1) A system can be only shadow and stick around for millennia. (This is the part she disagrees with you on.)

2) That doesn't mean Christianity is only shadow, but has both light and shadow, as you would also agree.

3) And of course Christianity is a really powerful system to stick around so long, one way or another.

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Yes, yes, and....Sure! Yes. (I'm confused myself by #3.)

Is that not what I said?

I think any belief system powerful enough to command obedience must have a shadow side, but a system with a staying power of millennia can't be only shadow.

I disagree. I don't actually think Christianity is such a system. But I do think a system with equivalent staying power can be only shadow.

Theory.

You don't think christianity is a system powerful enough to command obedience and therefore possessed of a shadow side but despite it's staying power not exclusively so?

No. I DO think that Christianity is a ....

Oh. All right. I see your point. Sorry. I meant: "I disagree. I think such a system is possible, at least in theory, although Christianity isn't it."

[vanlose kid]

such confusion.
Christianity is not a system, not if one understands it as the teachings of Christ: faith is not systematic. that's pretty basic. that was the whole point of the pharisee and the tax collector, the good samaritan, the sermon on the mount, the cleansing of the temple, etc. again, basic stuff.

even if one were to see Christianity as a system it didn't exist as such until Nicaea, ca. 325, i.e. the Roman church, or the system of Constantine. the perversion of faith.

that taken into account all systems are man made and as such are as light and as dark as the men and women who make and maintain them. what their light or dark has to do with their staying power is beyond me, for they do not exist (despite the laws that grant existence to corporations) other than is human institutions. governments, societies, corporations, soviets, etc., fall under the same heading: have the same "frailties" so to (objectifyingly) speak. they're human.

only a pipe dreaming rationalist thinks, imagines, believes, there can be a system that is light through and through. that one can set down a few precepts or doctrines or propositions or axioms and everything else will follow unerringly for all eternity. rationalists are pretty dense like that though.

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