Things you increasingly don't see anymore

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Forgetting2 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:14 pm

Nordic wrote:
Yes!! That's my neighborhood! You've zeroed in on me. Funny, isn't it? Just the other day i noticed schoolbusses for that charter school at pico and barrington lined up just outside of Plan B (a strip club). Wanted to get a picture but i was in a hurry. I plan to get that shot soon, tho.


Hey Nordic, tried to PM but it didn't seem to work; nothing showed up in my mail outbox... If you ever want to grab a beer and shoot the breeze on all things RI and maybe some industry stuff (I work in trailers), that would be cool. Don't know if there are any other RI folks around these here parts.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Nordic » Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:56 am

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What a lovely invitation. I can't for the life of me think of a nicer way to spend a visit to West L.A. than on a walking tour of the various hell-holes in comfortable proximity to your home.

But in all honesty, I've never been to a strip club without being towed there by a woman. And I can't recall ever going to a strip club anywhere but on Broadway in the North Beach which, sadly, is increasingly a mere shadow of its former gaudy licentiousness.

Ain't like it used to be. The Condor is now a hamburger joint, though they have retained Ms. Doda's famous mechanical bed, as a curiosity, it seems.

Or were you talking about some other kind of naked woman?


Actually, yes, I was. In days of old there was a species of naked woman which on occasion lay like rare windfall about the environs of my home having apparently dropped ripe and ambrosial from the limbs of the famous nakedlady-tree which I so increasingly do not see anymore that I never really see them ever. I'm pretty sure it's my own fault though, rather than some inexorable decline or deficiency in contemporary life. Some things require a certain cultivation which, alas, seems now beyond me for reasons which are by turns sad, humorous, pathetic, wonderful, and inevitable. Nonetheless, the remembrance of them surrounds me with nostalgia surpassing even that which I am blanketed by when I reminisce upon thoughts of cutting our family's own Christmas tree, or cars sporting Brody knobs and Spartan hubs, or building my Aurora Guillotine model.

Thems was the days.



Oh yeah, that. The last time I was single, in my late 30's, I had the realization that my mojo just wasn't working the way it used to. Felt like it was almost gone. Like I had developed a smell. It made me feel very awkward and self conscious. Things that once would have been sure things suddenly were not. Women sometimes would recoil. Get angry. When it used to be they got angry because I wasn't moving fast enough.

As many problems as I may have, I am largely glad I am not single now. At 50.

Which brings me back to this thread. Things you increasingly don't see any more:

Me, running.
Me, hiking up mountains.
Me, being able to see up close and not needing glasses.
Me, having some decent muscle tone.
Me, doing all manner of physical manly things that I simply can no longer do.

This is depressing. I'm gonna go take another vicodin.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby lucky » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:39 am

As far as clothes are concerned it doesnt seem to matter where you buy them now (in the UK) they all seem to be made in China and have a one year lifespan - if that. Cheap clothes with no style that are shoddy ,but people dont seem to care in our throw away society.
I remeber my fathers shirts, suits etc lasting for years and still looking fresh and not threadbare. I am very particular about shirts and buy most from Jermyn st - Thomas Pink, Lewin and these last for years but anything under 20-30 quid and it starts falling to bits after a year or so.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby barracuda » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:42 am

Nordic wrote:This is depressing. I'm gonna go take another vicodin.


Console stereos. You know - the wood kind.

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Forgetting2 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:02 am

barracuda wrote:Console stereos. You know - the wood kind.



Ours had an 8 track in there... and looked a lot cheaper than that.

Did someone already mention VHS, Hi8, 8mm, audio cassette tapes, micro cassette tapes, and so on? Sony Walkman?

How about a KEM flatbed for editing film....

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Cedars of Overburden » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:05 am

82_28 wrote:
Cedars of Overburden wrote:Cedar Christmas trees, or much of anything made out of cedar actually.

Don't cut one from the overburden though. You might start a landslide.


Yeah, good call. It immediately brought to mind the importance of my mother's cedar hope chest.

A hope chest, dowry chest, cedar chest, or glory box is a chest used to collect items such as clothing and household linen, by unmarried young women in anticipation of married life.

The term "hope chest" or "cedar chest" is used in the midwest or south of the United States; in the United Kingdom, the term is "bottom drawer"; while "glory box" is used by women in Australia.[1]


I remember the smell well. I'd dunk my head down into it as a kid just to sniff it. There was always something fascinating with the smell of cedar and the smell isn't necessarily something you recall readily as far as recalling things one "increasingly" doesn't see anymore. Thanks!


I think most of the cedar timber supply is used to line entire closets - the walk-in dressing room type closets -- for rich people. Making cedar chests used to be a fairly good sized industry around here but now it's hard to find them even here. That and mail order dog and cat litter.

Around here when I was a child back in the dark ages, lots of people had them for Christmas trees. They grew in exhausted hay fields. Poor people cut and sold them. Poor to middling people put them up in their living rooms. I was a little girl and I adored them and they're one of the things I miss the most about the 60s/'70s. Some Christmases, DH and I go out and steal one fair and square if we know of an exhausted hay field someone's about to turn into another subdivision.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby barracuda » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:34 am

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YOU INCREASINGLY DON'T SEE THESE ANYMORE.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Elvis » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:03 pm

Sprocketed film editing equipment.



Forgetting2 wrote:
How about a KEM flatbed for editing film....

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Here's my old Showchron 6-plate:

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The state of the art in 1970s 16mm film editing technology! :tongout
I love the Star Wars-style black anodized hardware panels, and the dark, thick, wood trim is a classy touch I doubt you'd see today. I got this beast around 2000; it took a little loving care and help from my electronics wizard, but we got it running like a top. I used to sit down at the Showchron just like I sit down today at my computer: pull up the chair, rest my right hand on the control dial/mouse, and gaze at the screen...for hours.

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Look closely---see that?---that's an LED digital frame counter, baby \<]

That was back when digital meant digital. To place it in the proper historical context, that Showchron flatbed was made in 1977; here's Bill Gates in 1977:

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A few years ago I sold the Showchron to a friend who still uses it!


Going back further, when was the last time you saw one of these setups?:

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I actually edited an entire feature film on the above bench setup. (You can still rent or buy that movie, which, despite my involvement, eventually made a profit! It cost about $30K to make, mostly filmstock & laboratory costs.) I was partly inspired to assemble an editing bench when I saw Roger Corman using them in a documentary ("If it Roger Corman is doing it that way, it obviously must work.") Three rolls of sounds and a reel of picture lumbering through clumsy sprocketed wheels and mechanical rollers, over tape heads producing hissy, squawky audio, past a spinning prism throwing up a flickery shadow play on the little view screen. You could move the film with the hand cranks, or use the "sound speed" motor in the "synchronizer." A little sound mixer let you make a crude mix as you worked. Elegant in its way, yet today seems ridiculously Rube Goldberg. Note the tape splicers in both setups.

I had a "Moviola" too, also called the "Shrediola" as it tended to destroy the few feet of workprint containing your favorite shot. You decreasingly see them around anymore.

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All that cumbersome equipment, and more, which I loved so much, worked so hard for, and used with such earnest, was rapidly becoming obsolete, replaced by desktop computers. The story of my life, always behind the tech curve.

But what's amazing is that

THIS:

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(700 lb. beast)

+ THIS:

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(my old audio room)

+ THIS:

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(my old animation & titling stand)

+ THIS:

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(my old interlock projector)

+ THIS:

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(roomfuls of clunky editing equipment)

+ THIS:

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(miles of physical film footage)


now all fit into THIS:

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Forgetting2 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:34 pm

Ah, yes. Bins and film core and splicers. I wasn't on film very long before we moved over to the Convergence and Case video systems.

I notice a little product placement in that last shot :)
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby harry ashburn » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:41 pm

the Holy Ghost (at least without in company of the Father and the Son).
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Allegro » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:47 pm

Elvis, I never knew ye.
I’m impressed, man :thumbsup.


And then there’s…

The really old skillets were great for
making my grandma’s scrumptious fudge!

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:46 am

Allegro, in fact I've always wondered about that.

Let me add a new one. People who actually use their "George Foreman Grills" after two weeks of having getting it on sale or for Christmas.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:45 pm

Posted this in reply to something on the bicycle thread, then realized it fits best here. Perhaps the best piece Dave McGowan ever wrote. The relevant part is worth reading in full including the long passage on bicycle riding in the 70s:


http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr85.html

Moving on then, I know that I have beat this particular horse before, on more than one occasion, but bear with me here because I feel that I need to point out once again, for the benefit of the slow learners in the crowd, that the basic principle by which this country’s political establishment operates is - now pay attention! - control through fear.

Everyone understands that … right?

I mean, it’s pretty basic stuff – scare the hell out of people and they’ll obediently follow whatever path they are told is the safe path to follow. Of course, it probably won’t really be the safe path to follow, and there probably won’t really be anything to fear – other than the motives and intentions of those directing you down the path. But if you really scare the bejesus out of somebody, none of that is going to matter to them at the time.

There is, to be sure, a whole lot of stuff to be scared of in the world today – or at least a whole lot of stuff that we are conditioned to fear: terr’ists; immigrants; emerging viruses; natural disasters; violent criminals; Peak Oil; Iran; Iraq; North Korea; Osama bin Laden; Saddam Hussein; Hezbollah; water bottles on airplanes. All in all, it’s a very scary world out there.

I was reminded of this recently when I was called upon, for the first time in my life, to serve jury duty. Actually, that’s not quite true; I have been called upon before, but I was never able to serve because of, if I remember correctly, financial hardships and medical conditions. But this recent jury notice happened to find me in good health and financially sound – which is another way of saying that getting out of jury service has become much more difficult – so I diligently reported for duty, showing due respect for the sanctity of the courthouse by arriving only slightly late and with my “Fuck the LAPD” t-shirt only partly exposed, and then proceeded to sit idly by for several hours with little to do other than mentally calculate the odds that any prosecutor would actually seat me on any jury.

Midway through a very long day, I was sent to a courtroom along with about forty other potential jurors. Before entering the courtroom, a random draw was held and I happened to pick a fairly high number, so my fate, it appeared, would be determined by how many of the hapless souls ahead of me in line were accepted as jurors. It soon became clear that more than a few of them were going to make a play for rejection, so I figured that, if nothing else, I might sneak in as an alternate juror.

There seemed to be two different strategies employed by those seeking dismissal, by the way, one that we will call the “good strategy” and one that we will call the “really bad strategy.” The opposing attorneys, you see, are basically on a fishing expedition during the jury selection process, and what they are fishing for is bias. The defense attorney is basically looking for bias against his or her client, and the prosecutor is looking for bias against pretty much any form of authority. Toward that end, each side will ask a series of questions. It’s pretty obvious what they are fishing for, which makes it pretty easy to make a play for dismissal.

The really bad strategy, employed by more than one potential juror that day, is to reflexively snap at every piece of bait that is dangled out there, even if doing so requires you to directly contradict a position that you took just a couple of questions ago. This strategy will likely provide some invaluable entertainment, but revealing to everyone in the room that you will go to hilarious lengths to avoid jury service will not necessarily get you booted.

The better strategy, by far, is to zero in on a single area of bias that the attorneys are looking for and then sell it as best you can. To greatly increase your odds of success, I would suggest playing to the prosecutor rather than the defense attorney, who is likely a public defender with little interest in actually defending his or her client. From what I observed, an anti-police bias will get you kicked loose in time for lunch, but a pro-police bias probably will not. Compare these two examples (which may or may not be exaggerated to some extent):

Prosecutor: Have you ever had any personal encounters with the police, and, if so, would you describe those encounters as positive or negative experiences?
Potential Juror #1: Well, I was pulled over once a long time ago by a cop who seemed like he might have had a little bit of an attitude, but overall …
Prosecutor: Judge, I move that this juror be dismissed and then immediately taken to lock-up.


Public Defender: Have you ever had any personal encounters with the police, and, if so, would you describe those encounters as positive or negative experiences?
Potential Juror #2: Well, my brother is a cop, and my brother-in-law is with the highway patrol, and my dad is retired FBI, and my wife works part-time down at the station as a dispatcher, and I know from talking to all of them that the police have a really hard job, what with having to deal with all the scumbags out there, and with the ACLU-types crying every time one of the scumbags goes and gets himself shot. Speaking of shooting, by the way, did I mention that I’ve been the president of my local NRA chapter for the last ten years? And Grand Dragon of my KKK chapter? By the way, is that nigger over there the defendant in this case? ‘Cuz I'll tell you what, that sumbitch looks guilty as all hell to me.

Public Defender: Your Honor, I think we may have found our jury foreman.


As a potential juror, you are not told what charges the defendant is facing. But if you pay attention to the questions that are asked, it’s not that hard to figure out. In this case, a young boy, likely the son of the defendant, was apparently seriously injured or even killed while riding a small dirt bike. The boy was too young to ride legally, and so the state was charging the man with something along the lines of reckless child endangerment.

For the record, some of the potential jurors seemed horrified at the thought of a child possibly maimed or killed as a result of the negligence of an adult. Others seemed just as horrified that the state was prosecuting a grieving father who had likely already punished himself far more than the state ever could. Or maybe that was just me.

All of the prospective jurors were asked whether they had ever let their own children do something that was potentially dangerous, or whether they themselves had been allowed, as children, to do things that others would consider dangerous – possibly even reckless. A few of the jurors allowed that they had ridden dirt bikes and/or that they had allowed their own kids to ride dirt bikes or ATVs. None of the jurors’ answers ventured much beyond that. My number, alas, never came up, and that’s kind of a shame, because I sat there for several hours with nothing better to do than mentally compose my answer to that particular question. It would have gone something like this:

Was I ever allowed to do anything dangerous as a child?! Is that what you’re asking me? Are you serious?! EVERYTHING I did as a child was dangerous. EVERYTHING!! If I allowed my own kids to do half of what I was allowed to do as a kid, the Department of Child Services would have taken them away from me years ago and I’d probably be locked away in prison. Negligence?! You want to talk about negligence? My parents must take the friggin’ cake when it comes to negligence! As just one example, our family logged thousands of miles driving all over Hell’s half-acre in the family car and never once - not once! - did they strap me into a child safety seat. Come to think of it, most of the time I didn't even wear a seatbelt. Here's another example: for most of my formative years, my primary mode of transportation was a bicycle, and never once did my parents insist that I wear a helmet! I didn’t even own one (which is probably a good thing, because I'm thinking that if I had tooled around town on my bike sporting a helmet in the 1960s and 1970s, I would have gotten my ass kicked on a pretty regular basis). And get this: every year, on the Fourth of July, I was allowed to set off explosive devices and burn shit up right in front of our house! And my parents, if you can believe this, watched me do it and even cheered me on! And on Halloween, I was allowed to go out at night with no adult supervision to solicit candy from complete fucking strangers. Oops … sorry there, judge … am I allowed to say ‘fucking’ in this courtroom? Anyway, as I was saying, I was also allowed to ride a small dirt bike, or at least I would have been if my dumbass older brother hadn't crashed the damn thing into a chain-link fence before I got my chance to ride, deeply cutting his finger in the process. Oh shit! Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned that, since the prosecutor over there seems a little overzealous. Is there a statute of limitations on this child endangerment stuff? I mean, you’re not going to extradite my dad from Arizona to answer for letting my brother ride that dirt bike back in 1970, are you? Anyway, like I was saying, when I was a kid I was actually allowed – forced, really – to walk to school, which is shameful, when you think about it, since everybody knows that any reasonably responsible parent lines up with all the other SUV-driving parents to drop off and pick up their kids, so that the little ones can be safely transported to their respective homes where they can interact with their peers in safe, modern ways such as with text messaging and instant messaging, rather than in the dangerous ways of the past, which generally involved leaving the house to play in the great outdoors. Believe it or not, we were allowed to do that. We were allowed to freely roam the neighborhood from a very young age, sometimes on bikes, sometimes on skateboards (with hard clay wheels that would stop cold if there happened to be a microscopic particle of sand on the sidewalk, hence the scar on my chin), and sometimes on foot. And do you know why we were allowed to freely roam the neighborhood? Because we actually HAD a neighborhood! Believe it or not, there was a real sense of neighborhood and community in those days of yore. I don’t live in a neighborhood today, your honor. Oh sure, I have ‘neighbors,’ I suppose, in the sense that there are other people who live all around me. But none of them know one another. We all live in our own little safehouses, shielded from the scary world. But in the old days, everyone knew each other and everyone’s kids ran the streets together. And the school, well, that was the center of it all. There was always something to do at the school. There were bike safety classes and an annual bike rodeo. There was the wildly popular annual fair. There were various after-school programs. There were bake sales. There were paper drives. There was a very active PTA. There were people staffing the school on weekends who would gladly provide you with a carom table, or a basketball, or a football, or all the gear needed to put together a baseball game. And finding enough people to field a team was never a problem. But if you go by a school now on the weekend, or even fifteen minutes after the final bell rings on any given weekday, do you know what you’ll find? Padlocked fences and barren asphalt. You won’t see any kids playing. And you won’t see any kids on the streets either. Where the hell are all the kids? And what happened, by the way, to the paperboys? When I was a kid, we were all paperboys. We were out riding the streets after school delivering the evening newspaper, and then once a month going up to the doors of the homes of random strangers, demanding money for providing a service, and being careful to always ‘porch’ the paper during the month of December in the hopes of collecting those big Christmas tips, and then returning to the usual erratic delivery pattern in January, while forever hoping that the one guy who never answers the door when you come to collect even when you can see him through the window sitting there watching TV and drinking a beer will eventually pay you for the last three months of service, so that maybe there will be some kind of financial reward for getting up every Sunday morning before dawn and overloading the handlebars of your bike with heavy Sunday editions of the local newspaper so that you can pedal around town alone and cold in the pre-dawn hours, because your parents – and I bet you were wondering where I was going with this, weren’t you? – have no concern for the way they recklessly endanger your life on pretty much a daily basis. Can you imagine allowing a child to ride a bike with dangerously overloaded handlebars, with no helmet or other safety gear, alone and a couple miles from home at 5:00 in the morning in a neighborhood full of strangers, possibly sex offenders? But you know what, Judge? We kind of liked doing it, most of the time. And you know what else? While my kids have every goddamn electronic gadget imaginable – from I-Pods to cell phones to laptop computers to portable DVD players – they don’t have what I had as a kid. They don’t have it because it has been stolen from them and it can’t be replaced with e-mail and digital cameras. What they don’t have, your honor, is a sense of neighborhood. They don’t have a sense of community. They have been deprived of meaningful human interaction. They have been conditioned to live in a world where trust in others has been replaced by fear of everyone and everything. Their world is a world built entirely on fear. But here I may have digressed a bit. What the hell was the question again?


As I have stressed before on these pages, one of the primary goals of the powers-that-be is the complete atomization of society – the destruction of all social, cultural, and familial bonds. It is the ultimate divide-and-conquer strategy: reduce the entire population to armies of one, each alone and isolated, unable to fight back against the rapidly encroaching police state. As I have also emphasized before, technology has played a major role in the process of atomizing Western society. Just as the egregiously misrepresented Luddites warned, the proliferation of advanced technology has led to a rapid process of depersonalization.

But just how successful have the puppet-masters been at fostering social isolation? I am sorry to have to report here that a landmark new study (all but ignored by the American media) provides chilling evidence that the psychological warfare campaign has been wildly successful. According to a Washington Post report:

Americans are far more socially isolated today than they were two decades ago, and a sharply growing number of people say they have no one in whom they can confide, according to a comprehensive new evaluation of the decline of social ties in the United States.

A quarter of Americans say they have no one with whom they can discuss personal troubles, more than double the number who were similarly isolated in 1985. Overall, the number of people Americans have in their closest circle of confidants has dropped from around three to about two.

The comprehensive new study paints a sobering picture of an increasingly fragmented America, where intimate social ties – once seen as an integral part of daily life and associated with a host of psychological and civic benefits – are shrinking or nonexistent. In bad times, far more people appear to suffer alone …

Compared with 1985, nearly 50 percent more people in 2004 reported that their spouse is the only person they can confide in …Whereas nearly three-quarters of people in 1985 reported they had a friend in whom they could confide, only half in 2004 said they could count on such support. The number of people who said they counted a neighbor as a confidant dropped by more than half, from about 19 percent to about 8 percent.

(Shankar Vedantam "Social Isolation Growing in U.S., Study Says," Washington Post, June 23, 2006;
read the full report here: http://www.asanet.org/galleries/default ... olation%22)


The study found sharp declines in all non-kin relationships. In 1985, 29.4 percent of people reported a close relationship with at least one co-worker; by 2004, that figure had dropped to 18 percent. Even more alarmingly, the percentage of respondents enjoying a close relationship with a co-member of a group dropped from 26.1 all the way down to 11.8. Understating the obvious was the study’s lead author, Duke University Professor Lynn Smith-Lovin: “This is a big social change, and it indicates something that’s not good for our society.”

Let’s be a bit more blunt here and stipulate that a society in which 24.6 percent of the people do not have a single close confidant, and an astounding 53.4 percent have no close non-kin relationships, is a very, very sick society. It is debatable, in fact, whether it is actually a society at all, but rather an essentially random collection of strangers, unconnected to each other in any meaningful way, each going about their meaningless lives in conditioned isolation.

Just how sick is this society? That is difficult to say, since we don’t have any data from a healthy society to provide a baseline for comparison. It is regrettable, to say the least, that the data available to the researchers only covered changes in America over the last two decades. Lacking earlier data, 1985 serves as a baseline for evaluating the data from 2004, but there is little doubt that America was already a very sick society by the mid-1980s and that social isolation had already increased immensely from earlier decades.

What would we find if we had data dating back to the 1960s, or the 1940s, or the 1920s? Does anyone doubt that that data would reveal a marked pattern of steadily increasing social isolation extending back many decades? When was America last a healthy society? What do the social isolation statistics of a healthy society look like? If someone were to finance a comprehensive international study of social isolation, how sick would the figures from 2004 America look in relation to the figures from the rest of the world? Where would America rank among nations? I’m guessing we’d be dead last.

And what does the future hold? If the last twenty years have brought such significant change, through a process that appears to be accelerating, then what will we find twenty years from now, or even ten years from now? If one in every four Americans now have no close relationships, even within their own family, can we expect to see that rise to one in every two Americans by 2020? Is this the kind of society you want your kids to grow up in? Because this isn’t conjecture or ‘conspiracy theorizing,’ folks, this is the cold, hard reality of the society we live in. Take a look around as you go about your daily activities today; one of every four people you see have no one to turn to, no one to confide in, no one to really talk to. And fully half the people you see have no social network at all beyond their own family.

But fear not. A lot of them probably have I-pods and personal computers with high-speed internet access. So it’s all good, I suppose.

Technology has, to be sure, played a major role in the rise of social isolation. But so too has the selling of fear, for we live in a world, as I may have mentioned before, where control through fear is the basic operating principle of our allegedly democratic government. I am not suggesting here, of course, that this is something new. There was, if I recall correctly, a fair amount of fear-mongering going on when I was a kid. Everyone seemed to be convinced, for example, that it was only a matter of time before “The Bomb” came raining down on America’s cities. To insure that we never stopped thinking about the prospect of nuclear annihilation, public schools held regular “bomb drills” or “drop drills.” When the alarm sounded at my school, we were all expected to take cover under our desks, with our hands strategically placed over our heads. We held regular fire alarm drills as well, but those were a bit different in that they had a real purpose: acquainting students and staff with evacuation plans in the event that an actual emergency should arise. The drop drills, on the other hand, served no purpose other than to induce fear. And I say that because research that I have done as an adult has led me to the shocking conclusion that my hands and a wooden desk would not have offered ideal protection from a nuclear blast.

There were other things to fear in the ‘60s and ‘70s as well. Strangers bearing candy were a persistent problem, though I made it through my childhood without ever encountering one of these legendary figures – except on Halloween, when, for some unexplained reason, it was perfectly okay to accept candy from strangers, especially if they were strangers who passed out really good candy and not the shitty candy that some people handed out, almost as if they actually wanted someone to egg their house. And then, of course, there were the people who just left a bucket of candy on the front porch for trick-or-treaters to help themselves to, kind of on the honor system.

While we’re on that subject, I’d like to take this opportunity to say, to all the kids down in Torrance, California who got to those houses after my brothers and I did, that we are very sorry for our youthful indiscretions and we plan on making it up to you someday. Also, we would like all our former neighbors to know that we no longer see the humor in setting off smoke bombs from the local fireworks stand on your front porches and then ringing-and-running your house. At the time, I’ll admit, it seemed really damn funny, especially when you’d come stomping out through the cloud of colored smoke to try to find us, while we sat hiding in the bushes across the street struggling mightily to stifle our laughter. But now, looking back as a responsible adult, I find it only mildly amusing.

Anyway, let’s now move on and take a look at the question that I am sure is on everyone’s mind, which is: what the hell is your point here, Dave? Glad you asked. The point is that we are now in a better position to discuss the question posed in Newsletter #81 (April 7, 2006). As readers will no doubt recall, in that outing I basically asked what it was going to take to get a reaction from the American people. But as it turns out, I was asking the wrong question.

The problem, you see, is not that the American people are not waking up to the outrages committed by this administration. To the extent that they can be trusted, every public opinion poll in recent years - whether concerning the occupation of Iraq, the handling of Hurricane Katrina, the performance of the 9-11 Commission, or any number of other issues – has reflected the fact that the American people are indeed waking up. And among those who have woken up, there appears to be agreement that the problems we are facing require immediate action.

So the problem is not that the American people don't know what's going on. And it's not that they are too apathetic to care about fixing the problems once they recognize what those problems are. No, the real problem is that what is required to correct the course of this ship-of-state is a massive and sustained social movement. And the real question that needs to be asked is: how does a massive social movement arise in a nation that is almost completely devoid of any meaningful social networks?

And the answer, it appears, is: it doesn't.

We are all products of what is surely the most socially isolated society that this planet has ever seen (except for those of you who are reading this in other parts of the world). And the harsh reality of the sick society that we live in is that the obtaining of real knowledge may be more of a curse than a blessing. With real knowledge comes the ability to see more clearly through the fog of lies, but with that increased awareness comes an inevitable feeling of helplessness. For how is someone to act upon that which has been learned when said person has no social networks to call upon and acting alone is clearly not going to prove effective? Hence the gaining of knowledge often leads, ironically enough, to yet further social isolation.

If I had it to do over again, I don’t know that I would have burrowed down this rabbit hole as deeply as I have. Unfortunately, it’s a one-way path; once you have dug your way in, there’s no way back out. There’s no way to unlearn that which has been learned. There is a certain satisfaction that comes with being able to understand how the world really works, and being able to more accurately process new information as it becomes available. But if you are powerless to right the wrongs in the world, is it better not to know? Is it better to live life comfortably numb?

I often get messages from some of you asking why I don’t burrow deeper – why I don’t address issues like, for instance, those mentioned at the top of this post. And the answer is that I don’t find the evidence in support of these ideas very credible. Or maybe it’s just that I haven’t dug deep enough down all the various branches of the rabbit hole. Maybe the view from my current position is so unrelentingly bleak that I don’t want to find out what lies beneath.

But then again, maybe if you dig deep enough, there is another way out.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:08 pm

jr wrote:Posted this in reply to something on the bicycle thread, then realized it fits best here. Perhaps the best piece Dave McGowan ever wrote. The relevant part is worth reading in full including the long passage on bicycle riding in the 70s:


While I find myself largely agreeing with McGowan, nonetheless it's sort of codgerly and bordering on the right wingish overly litigious society/tort reform/cradle-to-grave tropes. But i suppose that's just fear inducement of a different sort of big brother. It sounds like i grew up in similar sorts of neighborhoods. There was more trust and not as much fear. It's true. But I never really felt this sense of community McGowan is talking about. Maybe that's just me. Maybe people are more isolated than they were or there are more people that are isolated, I guess. I certainly don't trust very many people and not for no reason, I think. Don't have kids, but I can't imagine I could counsel them to be very trusting at all. And i think I'd want them to wear helmets and seatbelts. In fact I used to run around after my niece when she was little so I could catch her when she fell. It drove me nuts. I wanted to put a helmet on her just to let her toddle around the living room, although I don't think I'd want to be criminalized for not doing so.

Anyway, what i increasingly don't see anymore are fortean threads here at RI. Those are some of my favorite conversations here and Hugh's not here to ruin them anymore. Just materialist skeptics such as myself. I've considered starting a thread with a poll: Is the world more or less fortean?
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:31 pm

Thanks for posting the McGowan piece here as well, Jack.

BPH, seeing that you have me on ignore, means you probably won't read this, yet speaks volumes as to your last comment. To all those here concerned, that really wasn't meant as a dig, but as an overall observation which I think McGowan sums up exquisitely.

I perfectly remember the sense of community as a kid and I perfectly remember being a newsboy too. I remember just dropping by people's houses to say hi and have conversation, tea, wine, beer. You'd just drop by, because you were in the neighborhood. At least as far as my parents were concerned. Us kids were just little hellions of the type McGowan describes of himself.

I ran into this guy at 7-11 at like midnight a couple nights ago. I know him, he's a businessman and is a regular of mine, but I'd never ran into him outside my bar. Well, I was buying beer and we were leaving at the same time. We got to talking and just decided to sit down behind the "sev" and chat and drink beer. We got to reminiscing about (well, for me) just this thread. We were doing the same shit that you increasingly don't see anymore. We had many a laugh and perhaps spent damn near three hours doing so. I found out he is right wing he found out that I am left wing. We talked politics and economy, but mostly we talked about "what the fuck are we doing? We're two grown men just chilling behind 7-11!" But we loved it.

Perhaps, very much so, with the proximity to my bar and where I live, I really get a sense of old school community, because I basically know everybody or all the everybodies that come to the bar. Not a day goes by that when I am hanging out with someone I run into another someone and it blows people away how many people I know. It's not about being popular -- believe me. It's more about kinda like grandpa waving from his porch swing to everyone who passes. I just say hi to everybody and when the time arises we get into conversations. I really value this ability in my life. Parents with kids trust their kids with a SMOKER, send them up to me to say Hi. They trust me to tussle their hair and ask them how they are -- just like when I was a kid. My parents would take me to like some salesman in a department store to say hi to some guy I barely knew, but they knew and trusted him. It's about being genuine and as McGowan enumerates, there is no longer any genuineness of any import in this country unless you create it for yourself and embrace it when it comes unto you.

Many people can be cold because they live and work in emotionally sterilized environments. My line of work, if I am going to be proud of it and continue to enjoy it (and also keep my job) is one of being warm for everybody. I guess the quintessential description of a bartender. My job is to be friendly and make money for my boss. I make this money by making the place inviting for everyone, babysit them at times and seeing as I work in the same neighborhood, I know a bunch of people. However, my point is, is that yeah, I have to do a good job, but I'm one who looks at the relationships forged and time spent with people is far more "rewarding". I run a fucking history site for Christ's sake and subconsciously, I always try and re-create the history as I understand it and make everyone's day much better knowing they are cared about and that there is nothing to be afraid of. Jesus, I even shake everyone at the bar's hand, I just thought of. I wink at both men and women. Just shit I picked up growing up in the era McGowan writes about.

You'd be amazed at the amount of information you can glean about someone just from the handshake. You'd be more amazed at watching the evolution of their handshake through time when they begin getting to know you and that you shake hands quite firmly. Anyhoo. . . .
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