Things you increasingly don't see anymore

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Nordic » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:28 pm

harry ashburn wrote:
from nordic.. re: women have hair where god gave them hair...


yuk. I dont really see how we made it as a species. Almost all western men, anyway, recoil at the thought. Why didnt we do so for the past million years? Guess doing it in the dark helps.... women still didn't shave in europe til the '60's. Could I have done it? Probably in my raging hormones youth....



Dude ... Your name is "Harry"

Why the double standard, oh Harry?
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Nordic » Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:29 pm

Carbon paper. And the smell of those blue mimeographed papers. Still warm from the machine ....
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby crikkett » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:34 pm

um, oops
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:55 pm

Crank non-electrified record players. When I was very young it provided me with a sense of wonder while entertaining me for hours on end playing McNamara's Band and Big Rock Candy Mountain. Not speaking about the old Edisons or RCA Victrolas with large horns, but a portable about the size of a typewriter in its closed case. The audio was projected from the tone arm, which was hinged and lifted upwards, just above the needle. Quite like this:
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Farmer Gray Cartoons. Not a tv watcher, I can't say for sure that these are no longer being shown, but I suspect they are not. From the silent film error.



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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby jcivil » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:39 am

Indeed, I luvs me my distractions from the killing and the environmental rape resistance fight. Gonna watch fringe (tv show) with little to no shame shortly. And reading the comments there was a mention of cedar trees. Yet my obtuse point was only that the things mostly mentioned by humans in our temporal space is "techno bumps on a road" or whatever I opined. No more 11" action figures, oh no! No more plug in shavers, oh no! Comic books online, its a crime!

Happy to do nostalgia yet mine tends to the pre-pharonic era.

Though as a nanotechnologist with twenty years in the field I certainly do embrace new tech (which is old tech) and I will wipe away conception and value in the name of dignity and revolution and love. Unfolding now. Ha Ha.

I don't see iphone 1s anymore, boo hoo.

The issue that stuck in my throat was thinking so within our personal experience of consumer culture and not seeing it was just a flowing river of crap that we were dipped in during which production cycle or fad.

Where is my pet rock? Oh yeah, I threw it through the starbucks window.

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:21 pm

You could be cool about this thread though, too, right, jcivil? As in not not be a dick about it. I started it with something like this in mind as I am a dick myself -- that is, a "dickhead". See: Time out of Joint by one Philip K Dick (you should read it):


As the novel opens, its protagonist Ragle Gumm believes that he lives in the year 1959 in a quiet American suburb. His unusual profession consists of repeatedly winning the cash prize in a local newspaper competition called, "Where Will The Little Green Man Be Next?". Gumm's 1959 has some differences from ours: the Tucker car is in production, AM/FM radios are scarce to non-existent and Marilyn Monroe is a complete unknown. As the novel opens, strange things begin to happen to Gumm. A soft-drink stand disappears, replaced by a small slip of paper with the words "SOFT-DRINK STAND" printed on it in block letters. Intriguing little pieces of the real 1959 turn up: a magazine article on Marilyn Monroe, a telephone book with non-operational exchanges listed and radios hidden away in someone else's house. People with no apparent connection to Gumm, including military pilots using aircraft transceivers, refer to him by name. Few other characters notice these or experience similar anomalies; the sole exception is Gumm's supposed brother-in-law, Victor "Vic" Nielson, in whom he confides. A neighborhood woman, Mrs. Keitelbein, invites him to a Civil Defense class where he sees a model of a futuristic underground military factory. He has the unshakeable feeling he's been inside that building many times before.

Confusion gradually mounts for Gumm. His neighbor Bill Black knows far more about these events than he admits, and, observing this, begins worrying: "Suppose Ragle [Gumm] is becoming sane again?" In fact, Gumm does become sane, and the deception surrounding him (erected to protect and exploit him) begins to unravel.

Gumm tries to escape the town and is turned back by kafkaesque obstructions. He sees a magazine with himself on the cover, in a military uniform, at the factory depicted in the model. He tries a second time to escape, this time with Vic, and succeeds. He learns that his idyllic town is a constructed reality designed to protect him from the frightening fact that he lives on a then-future Earth (circa 1998) that is at war with its colonists on the Moon who are fighting for a permanent Lunar habitation that is politically independent of Earth as well.

Gumm has a unique ability to predict where the colonists' nuclear strikes will be aimed. Previously Gumm did this work for the military, but then he defected to the colonists' side and planned to secretly emigrate to the Moon. But before this could happen he began retreating into a fantasy world based largely upon the relatively idyllic surroundings of his extreme youth. He was no longer able to shoulder the awesome responsibility of being the Earth's lone protector from Lunar-launched H-Bomb attacks. The fake town was thereby created in Gumm's mental image to accommodate his dementia so that he would continue predicting missile strikes in the guise of submitting entries to a harmless newspaper contest and without the ethical qualms involved with being on the "wrong" side of a civil war.

When Gumm finally remembers his true history he decides to emigrate to the Moon after all because he feels that exploration and migration, being as they are basic human impulses, should never be denied a people by any national or planetary government. Vic rejects this belief, referring to the colonists essentially as aggressors and terrorists, and returns to the town. The book ends with some hope for peace, because the colonists are more willing to negotiate than the Earth government has been telling its citizens.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Out_of_Joint

The day I started this thread I was having one of those "Dickian moments" and this thread to be one of basic user interest as to the passage of time and yes consumer crap counts. In fact, I would say it even counts more. You know, those things that were all around you once but are now missing. It's more the snapshots we take of our realities and I for one find it fascinating to fantasize living in a Dickian dystopia. And yet, who knows? Perhaps we are.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby jcivil » Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:45 pm

Nice, love/read all Dick. Total Dickhead, me.

It was ephemera of genocide and remains.

This computer. This stuff.

Ford Fairlane.

Have your thread and just admit that iz a dick 'cause iz right and if that ain't polite...

i was at this world bank party, and i noted to some of the young scions that the palace in asia where the drinks were flowing was ostentatious, and that becoming accustomed to opulence and servitude was degrading. how miffed they were. i certainly never got another invitation under that name.

in the eighties in the lower east side of manhattan walkmen were all the rage, and then, oh, discmen. hundreds of skins moved into houses with captains and started taking blocks. i skipped the walkman and removed the trash. now the KKK is wearing three piece suits. its like that y'all. I might not be able to stop the devils being sick in the head, yet sure as hell i will make them hide it and i will striketh down evil in mine eye

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i miss jazz being improv
few oxymorons beat "jazz standard"

i miss workers and fighters in Turtle Island willing to throw 100,000 bodies at machine guns to overrun the office
bringin that back

Luvs

and word, the Empire never Ended
in fact, the bureaucracy that collected taxes in ancient rome is continuous to the modern americas IRS etc...

and my first comment, the things people will miss in ten years, i thought that was true too!
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby 82_28 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:12 pm

Fair enough, jcivil. Perhaps I misconstrued your intent. At the very least I was able to get around to supplying the real reason I started the thread and that is, the whole Dick thing.

Apologies.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Hammer of Los » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:03 pm

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Don't argue, you two.

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:38 am


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/opini ... nted=print

The New York Times

October 9, 2012

Long Live Paper

By JUSTIN B. HOLLANDER

Medford, Mass.

LAST week, Education Secretary Arne Duncan declared a war on paper textbooks. “Over the next few years,” he said in a speech at the National Press Club, “textbooks should be obsolete.” In their place would come a variety of digital-learning technologies, like e-readers and multimedia Web sites.

Such technologies certainly have their place. But Secretary Duncan is threatening to light a bonfire to a tried-and-true technology — good old paper — that has been the foundation for one of the great educational systems on the planet. And while e-readers and multimedia may seem appealing, the idea of replacing an effective learning platform with a widely hyped but still unproven one is extremely dangerous.

A renowned expert on reading, Maryanne Wolf, has recently begun studying the effects of digital reading on learning, and so far the results are mixed. She worries that Internet reading, in particular, could be such a source of distractions for the student that they may cancel out most other potential benefits of a Web-linked, e-learning environment. And while it’s true that the high-tech industry has sponsored substantial amounts of research on the potential benefits of Web-based learning, not enough time has passed for longitudinal studies to demonstrate the full effects.

In addition, digital-reading advocates claim that lightweight e-books benefit students’ backs and save schools money. But the rolling backpack seems to have solved the weight problem, and the astounding costs to outfit every student with an e-reader, provide technical support and pay for regular software updates promise to make the e-textbook a very pricey option.

As both a teacher who uses paper textbooks and a student of urban history, I can’t help but wonder what parallels exist between my own field and this sudden, wholesale abandonment of the technology of paper.

For example, when cars began to fill America’s driveways, and new highways were laid across the land, the first thing cities did was encourage the dismantling of our train systems. Streetcar lines were torn up. A result, for many cities, was to rip apart the urban core and run highways through it, which only accelerated the flow of residents, commerce and investment to the suburbs.

But in recent years, new streetcar lines have been built or old systems extended in places like Pittsburgh, Jersey City and Phoenix. They are casting aside a newer technology in favor of an older one.

This lesson of technology-inspired extinction can be retold in many other domains of life: the way phonographs nearly disappeared when the music CD was invented; the rejection of bicycles in the middle of the 20th century; the shuttering of Polaroid factories with the advent of digital cameras.

My point is not that these are all pernicious or reversible developments. On the contrary, we have all benefited from new advances in medicine, communications and computing, even those that displaced familiar technologies.

The Polaroid is a wonderful device for what it is, but it will and should remain a technological novelty. On the other hand, few higher-tech formats deliver the lush sound quality of the vinyl record, and younger generations have recently returned to the format.

In other words, we shouldn’t jump at a new technology simply because it has advantages; only time and study will reveal its disadvantages and show the value of what we’ve left behind.

Which brings us back to paper. With strength and durability that could last thousands of years, paper can preserve information without the troubles we find when our most cherished knowledge is stuck on an unreadable floppy disk or lost deep in the “cloud.”

Paper textbooks can be stored and easily referenced on a shelf. Data are as easy to retrieve from paper as reaching across your desk for a textbook. They are easy to read and don’t require a battery or plug. Though the iPad and e-readers have increasingly better screen clarity, the idea that every time a person reads a book, newspaper or magazine in the near future they will require an energy source is frightening.

The digitization of information offers important benefits, including instant transmission, easy searchability and broad distribution. But before we shred the last of the paper textbooks, let us pause and remember those old streetcars, and how great it would be if we still had them around.


Justin B. Hollander is an assistant professor of urban and environmental policy and planning at Tufts University and the author of “Sunburnt Cities: The Great Recession, Depopulation and Urban Planning in the American Sunbelt.”

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Asta » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:24 pm

Woolly catepillars (or woolly bears, depending on what you call them)

shifting gears now...

Triumph TR6s or Triumph Spitfires, or MGs or Austin America or the Austin Healy

Boat tail Bugattis

the original Mini Cooper

the Datsun Fairlady

Datsun

Datsun Z cars

Wooden boats

Karmen Ghia

Avanti

the car that Maxwell Smart drove, can't remember the name
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Nordic » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:37 pm

Whoever thinks we should get rid of textbooks is a fucking idiot. Typical of the Obama administration. Where does that logically lead? To get rid of books. Libraries!!

I'm actually dealing with this right now with my stepdaughters school. They're trying this with several of her classes and its a pain in the ass. Books are so simple to read, to look things up in, and you dont need dome high tech electronic device to read them. Its incredibly difficult to help her with her homework when there's not a simple book you can just open and look at!!

Also what are you supposed to do if the pwer goes our, or you dont have a goddamn wifi connection?

Fucking morons, all about continuing to make you buy shit from big corporations.

That being said here is my constructive contribution:

Gym socks. Those tall white ones with the thick colored stripes at the top, the ones that go almost to your knee, always worn with those too-short shorts.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Elvis » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:29 pm

Asta wrote:Woolly catepillars (or woolly bears, depending on what you call them)

shifting gears now...

Triumph TR6s or Triumph Spitfires, or MGs or Austin America or the Austin Healy

Boat tail Bugattis

the original Mini Cooper

the Datsun Fairlady

Datsun

Datsun Z cars

Wooden boats

Karmen Ghia

Avanti

the car that Maxwell Smart drove, can't remember the name


I wanted to say Agent 86 drove a Karmann Ghia, and I was right, but this calls to mind the fact that the car changed in different versions of the opening:

Several readers have written in to refute Ms. Cohen’s claim, citing Agent Smart’s car as a Sunbeam Tiger. Although he did drive a Sunbeam Tiger in a version of the opening credits, he also drove a light blue Karmann Ghia in another version (at the 2:02 mark in the above video), along with a Ferrari, an Opel GT and an Alfa Romeo.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/what-did-maxwell-smart-drive/

Just this week I saw a Datsun Z-260, pretty beat up, and, just yesterday, a shiny Studebaker Avanti.

Many years ago, I wanted a Triumph Spitfire or Triumph TR-3 really bad.

However I did have a



Volvo 164



which was in many ways the best car I ever had, and my favorite. They're on the road decreasingly.
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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:08 pm

Nordic wrote:Whoever thinks we should get rid of textbooks is a fucking idiot. Typical of the Obama administration. Where does that logically lead? To get rid of books. Libraries!!


It's typical of capitalism, period. There is no distinction here between parties or governments. The entity that first announced the death of the textbook was Apple, already the killer of the music album. The corporations with the influence - in this case electronics makers, media and education vendors - are on the offensive. It's typical of the war on teachers and "school reform." It's typical of techno-fetishism and the worship of the new without limits or understanding. It's typical of the almost overwhelming trends to media convergence, cultural homogeneity and speed. It's typical of a civilization without self-reflection, theoretical thinking or widespread awareness of how tools shape the human being. It's typical of anti-intellectualism and hatred of learning and ideas. It's typical of a training that extends far enough that even most social movements also don't get it, and have come to understand themselves mainly as electronically linked social networks. But it's also perceived as bottom-line cost-effective. Everyone's got devices already and so people think this is cheaper, even if, in the case of schools, it obviously won't be.

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Re: Things you increasingly don't see anymore

Postby Hammer of Los » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:27 am

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I recently bought some marvellous books from Sanctuary (second hand) Bookstore in Lyme Regis, I'll give 'em a plug.

I got several Dion Fortune, a book on Yoga and the Velikovsky from there, but I could have bought a dozen or more.

I often think paper books are much more convenient and efficient than electronic readers.

Sanctuary.

Hmm.

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