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Paul Ryan’s Pregnant Pause by Roxana Badin
October 30th, 2012
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WHEN DURING THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL debate Martha Raddatz asked Paul Ryan what role his religion has played in his own personal views on abortion, Ryan was quick to explain not only the central role of religion in his life, but his family’s and his political party’s:
I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life. […] Now, you want to ask basically why I'm pro-life? It's not simply because of my Catholic faith. That's a factor, of course. But it's also because of reason and science […] I believe that life begins at conception.
The “vulnerable” in Ryan’s charge, the “people” in need of a chance in life, were not women, but blastocyst embryos. Ryan was appealing to parens patriae (literally, “father of the people”), a doctrine which state courts have often used in the past to, among other things, compel medical treatment of in utero fetuses. This would not have been lost on the ticket’s radical ‘pro-life’ supporters, even if it was lost on the public at large. It was a high-five to a radical agenda that is pro-life when it comes to zygotes, but not to women involved in their conception.
Under parens patriae, the state has the power, and even the duty, to protect individuals not otherwise able or willing to protect themselves. If Roe v. Wade were overturned during a Romney presidency — an eventuality that Romney himself has made clear is his goal — abortion would be remanded to the states, exactly the way it had been before the 1973 Supreme Court ruling.
States could not only pass zygote personhood legislation without constitutional challenge (either by amending a state’s constitution or by making it a law), but, under parens patriae, could intervene in all sorts of medical and scientific cases, such as stem cell research and in vitro fertilization. There would be no limit.
In the debate, Raddatz followed up Ryan’s life-at-conception declaration by asking if those who support pro-choice should be worried under a Romney administration. Ryan looked at the camera, frowned, paused for two seconds, and took a deep breath.
The pause and accompanying body language seemed to indicate a deep moral crisis for the Wisconsin congressman. But, if the earnest expression — more of a boy screwing up the courage to explain why his baseball shattered the neighbor’s window than of an ambitious politician — convinced you of his sheepish sincerity, you’re underestimating him. Ryan has been called “the Republican Party’s intellectual leader” and is seen by the party as the future of the GOP. The wide-eyes with which he has been trying to answer the abortion question since Romney selected him are those of a driven zealot.
Six weeks before the debate with Raddatz, Ryan tried to sidestep the question of whether abortion should be banned even in cases of rape by deferring to Romney. “The method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” he told one reporter, and then quickly followed up the hauntingly robotic syllogism with:
Let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney ticket and the president makes policy and the president, in this case, the future president, Mitt Romney, has exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother, which is a vast improvement to where we are right now.
In those last weeks of August before the Republican Convention, Ryan, arms akimbo, worked gymnastically around the rape issue, supporting Romney’s exception for it, but, at the same time, insisting that he is proud of his pro-life record. He also repeated — as Romney has — that life begins at conception — a more anodyne statement than his rape position.
Most important to Ryan and to the rest of the Republican party, Ryan needed to extricate himself from the dreaded Todd Akin, the Missouri congressman and pro-life pontificator whose flatulence on abortion — specifically, about “forcible” and therefore “legitimate” rape (woman held at knifepoint) versus the non-forcible, illegitimate variety where abortion should not be available (a thirteen year old girl “consensually” impregnated by a twenty-five year old man; a college woman pregnant from a drunken date rape, etc.) was affecting the Republican party very badly.
On the eve of the Republican Convention, Ryan, Romney and the entire GOP national political apparatus “launched a swift and ruthless crusade against Akin,” as the Washington Post put it, pulling funds from Akin’s campaign for the senate seat in Missouri and urging him to step down. Akin, probably not appreciating the knife in his back, especially from Ryan, his ant-abortion, zygote-as-legal-person bill co-sponsor, refused.
Ryan and Akin co-sponsored 16 anti-abortion bills together, including the Sanctity of Human Life Bill, in which the term “forcible rape” originated; this federal “personhood” bill also included language that endowed a fertilized egg the same legal rights as a human being. But, with Akin going public about the controversial belief, shared, in fact, by other fringe extremists in the movement like Ryan, that women’s bodies actually shut down to stop pregnancies in cases of rape (the trauma setting in motion biological blocks so a woman cannot conceive), Ryan was quick to throw him under the bus. Romney was trailing Obama by 10-22 points among women and Akin’s comments looked sure to steer the Republican Convention narrative away from the economy — a topic that was meant to unify the party and attract swing female votes. Republican strategists, publicly and privately, knew that Akin’s theory of a biological shut down was bogus and knew that any suggestion that forcing a woman to bear a child resulting from a rape was just too appalling for the majority of Americans. Akin was noticeably absent from the Convention.
By the time Ryan was debating Joe Biden with Raddatz on October 11, the Republicans had successfully kept abortion (Akin’s comments about rape and all) off the table for much of September, attention focused instead on Romney dissing 47 percent of the country. Without any mention of abortion in the first presidential debate, all Ryan needed was one more deflection. So, after his pregnant pause, he said:
We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision; that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination.
The lack of any affirmative declaration to overturn Roe v. Wade might’ve lulled viewers, eager to hear about taxes and gas prices, into thinking that all Ryan wanted was the abortion issue to be decided democratically. But, what Ryan was revealing was his deep-seated belief that any involvement of the courts at all has always been illegitimate and always will be. This is the very far fringe of the anti-choice movement, the same fringe that supports the pseudo-science of female biological blocks and has been working around Roe v. Wade on the state level by passing legislation that has effectively shut down abortion clinics in states like Mississippi. From Ryan’s perspective, because the Constitution doesn’t explicitly mention any right to privacy, the Constitution has no place protecting pregnant women. The Constitution doesn’t define a “person” either, and it was noted by the Court in Roe that there is no real indication that the concept has any pre-natal application: another reason Ryan and other extremists would rather the pesky Constitution be set aside.
Putting the issue of a rape exception in this context is useful because it makes clear that it is a red herring in this election. The main issue is personhood, which both Romney and Ryan enthusiastically support. There has been little in-depth consideration about what the candidates mean when they say that life begins at conception, now uttered so frequently that it has become part of the white noise of the stump. Discussions in the press have been scarce. One newspaper even confused the GOP ticket’s position by stating that it supports rights for the unborn fetus. To be clear, Roe v. Wade already acknowledges that the state’s interest in potential human life can be compelling enough to override a woman’s constitutional right. No one, Republican or Democrat, is publically contesting that. It is only the extent to which such a right is qualified that is at issue.
Dangling over the dustbin, Roe has been maligned and mischaracterized with such fervor it’s useful to remember why it is so valuable. Roe not only upheld the right to privacy, but defined its “contours,” recognizing that the right is not absolute. The Court balanced it against the state’s interest according to the fetus’s “viability” — the point at which a fetus is able to live outside the womb. It acknowledged a state’s legitimate interest to intervene to protect potential life (yielding only to the woman’s right to protect her own life and health), and that this can be “compelling” enough to override the woman’s right. Though subsequent Supreme Court decisions eliminated Roe’s trimester framework, permitting states to regulate abortion prior to viability so long as the regulations do not impose an “undue burden,” for over 30 years Roe has weathered religiously motivated attacks and protected the fundamental right of individual liberty from government encroachment, firmly placing personal and moral choices with the individual.
What Ryan and Romney are after with “personhood” is to undo Roe v. Wade entirely. Personhood USA, the largest anti-abortion organization, counts Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum as signatories to their Republican presidential candidate pledge, which reads in relevant part:
If elected President, I will . . . to the best of my knowledge . . . only appoint federal judges and relevant officials who will uphold and enforce state and federal laws recognizing that all human beings at every stage of development are persons with the unalienable right to life.
It is a pro-life referendum machine that uses the tag line “protecting the pre-born by love and by law.” Their primary mission is to “serve Jesus by being an advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves” — the zygotes. Personhood USA spokesperson Rebecca Kiessling explained:
As someone who really cares about rape victims, I want to protect them from the rapist, and from the abortion, but not the baby. A baby is not the worst thing that could ever happen to a rape victim — an abortion is.
Back in August, when Ryan and Romney publicly condemned Akin, Personhood USA condemned Ryan and Romney for allowing a rape exception, giving the ticket the moderate public image it so sorely needed. Setting the rape exception aside, however, Romney and Ryan’s personhood position are in lock step with both Akin and Personhood USA, as is the GOP platform — despite the fact that half of America does not share their religious views. Religions have varying views on when life begins. The Talmud states that life begins at birth, while Buddhists, Baptists and Muslims see life starting anywhere from fertilization to 40 days from conception. Unlike the Catholic or Mormon Churches, none of these groups prohibit abortions outright.
Ryan may insist that his view is based on “reason and science,” but there is no consensus about when human life begins among scientists, philosophers, ethicists, or sociologists. Embryonic development is a process. There is no scientific consensus on what marker should be used — is it when the soul arises? Consciousness, brain function? Some biologists argue that life begins at fertilization, some at gastrulation, some at birth. The medical community is also split on the issue. If fertilization is the start of life, then are all objects, such as hydatidiform moles, created by the union of sperm and egg also life? Michael Gazzaniga, a biopsychologist who served on George Bush’s bioethics council in 2006 has stated:
A fertilized embryo is not a human – it needs a uterus, and at least six months of gestation and development, growth and neuron formation, and cell duplication to become human. To give an embryo created for biomedical research the same status even as one created for in vitro fertilization (IVF), let alone one created naturally, is patently absurd. When a Home Depot burns down, the headline in the paper is not “30 Houses Burn Down.” It is “Home Depot Burned Down.”
With nearly one week left before Election Day, it’s unlikely that undecided voters will delve very deep to explore what’s radical about the Romney-Ryan ticket, or what makes their religious views so dangerous to the country. Both men are adept enough at hiding their allegiance to the extreme fringe of their party and its fervent desire to dictate people’s moral choices, emphasizing instead their love of small government, and mischaracterizing their most partisan efforts as shining examples of cooperation. When Ryan is asked about the Sanctity of Life Bill he is so proud of, he describes it as a bi-partisan effort, even though the bill was passed with 235 Republican and only 16 Democratic votes — the latter given only on condition that language about forcible rape be removed. As the GOP spends its final millions of dollars on TV ads they will continue to steer voters away from this issue. Let’s hope they recall that pause and the look in Ryan’s eyes.
sw wrote:The neighborhood newspaper that covers a very small, affluent neighborhood in the Dallas area, The Park Cities People, has recently covered some high profile minor involved rapes. The reader comments always blow me away.
http://www.parkcitiespeople.com/2012/10 ... more-26692
Krysos wrote:justdrew wrote:Krysos wrote:how is this any different from the left wing mentality that seeks to redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor?
eh eh eh
no you don't. That is not what "the left" seeks AT ALL, we'd like to see the fruits of everyone's collective industry shared more fairly with those who do the work that makes the fruits. This requires organized for-hire labor.
Also, a cursory investigation of economics would show you that a system wherein all funds flow up to a small minority is not long-term functional. Redistribution is an essential function of any economy, without it there's no money in circulation.
no one loves the idea of a "welfare queen" just popping out little baby paychecks. First off, I'd say it's fairly rare occurrence, and second, what choice do we have? Take the kids? Sterilize the mom? Leave them to fend for themselves and possibly turn to crime?
you seem to forget that we live in a society. Society, look it up. I had to "pay more" for health insurance (when I had it) in order to pay for breeders to cover their children. I didn't force them to have kids, why should I pay more? Because it's the decent thing to do. Same with all the other crap that get's built or done or whatever with "my money" - get over it, you want to live independently, go befriend a bear and move to the woods. Oh way, you don't actually own sufficient land to be self-sufficient? Well, welcome to the society of humans on earth, it's not a perfect place you may have noticed. but we get along ok, together.
As I said, each side has their own justifications for the redistribution. The wealthy see themselves as rugged industrialists that power the society and provide the opportunities for the lower classes, and the welfare queens feel as though they are justified because they believe they live in an inherently unjust society. Spare me the condescension until you actually understand what I'm saying or where I'm coming from, please. It's astonishing to me how presumptuous and outright rude the left has become in the last 15 years. What ever happened to being non-judgmental and open-minded? Is that not a liberal value? I SAID I have more compassion for the poor than I do for the rich already so I don't know why you constantly need to keep treating me as though I'm parroting Ayn Rand. I even specifically said in an earlier post that I don't think it's proper for the unfortunate to not receive medical care, clothing, food, etc. I agree with you that it's the decent thing to do, ultimately, to pay for the people that can't take care of themselves but it's also the decent thing for the ones that are capable of paying for themselves to do so also instead of gaming the system. If you don't like it when bankers do it you shouldn't excuse it when it's coming from less effective scammers either. And yeah, it is time for bed. Night.
Ireland 'should change abortion law' after woman's death
Savita Halappanavar, 31, died of septicaemia a week after being found to be miscarrying while at a Galway hospital. Photograph: The Irish Times
The case of a woman denied an abortion at an Irish hospital who later died of blood poisoning must prompt the state to loosen its almost total ban on terminations, a member of one of the coalition parties in Dublin has said.
Two investigations – one by Ireland's health executive, the other by the hospital – are now under way into the circumstances of the death of the 31-year-old dentist at University Hospital Galway (UHG) who was denied a medical termination and allegedly told: "This is a Catholic country."
Savita Halappanavar's death has highlighted how the ban even can prevent women with life-threatening medical conditions getting an abortion in Irish hospitals.
She had turned up at UHG on 21 October and was found to be miscarrying but died of septicaemia a week later. She had asked medical staff several times over a three-day period to terminate the pregnancy.
An Irish Labour deputy in the Dáil, Patrick Nulty, said that in light of Halappanavar's death there was "pressing and urgent need" for parliament to "show responsibility and legislate", calling on his party and its Fine Gael partners to press ahead with reforming the abortion law.
It is understood her family is now considering taking legal action, arguing that the foetus should have been removed earlier to save the woman's life.
Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar, said her repeated requests were turned down because she was 17 weeks pregnant and staff could detect a foetal heartbeat. The 34-year-old engineer has since revealed that his wife spent two and a half days "in agony" until the foetal heartbeat stopped.
After the dead foetus was removed, he said, his wife was taken to the hospital's intensive care unit where she died on 28 October.
Recounting her final days in UHG, he said: "Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby. When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning Savita asked if they could not save the baby could they induce to end the pregnancy. The consultant said: 'As long as there is a foetal heartbeat we can't do anything.'
"Again on Tuesday morning, the ward rounds and the same discussion. The consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita [an Indian Hindu] said: 'I am neither Irish nor Catholic,' but they said there was nothing they could do.
"That evening she developed shakes and shivering and she was vomiting. She went to use the toilet and she collapsed. There were big alarms and a doctor took blood and started her on antibiotics.
"The next morning I said she was so sick and asked again that they just end it, but they said they couldn't."
He recollected the moment he heard that medical staff were moving his wife into intensive care.
"They said they were shifting her to intensive care. Her heart and pulse were low, her temperature was high. She was sedated and critical but stable. She stayed stable on Friday but by 7pm on Saturday they said her heart, kidneys and liver weren't functioning. She was critically ill. That night, we lost her."
The hospital said it could not discuss the details of an individual patient with the media but expressed its sympathy to the family.
A spokesman for the hospital, which is part of a group of medical centres in western Ireland, said: "Galway Roscommon University Hospitals Group (GRUHG) co-operates fully with coroners' inquests. In general, in the case of a maternal death, a number of procedures are followed, including a risk review of the case and the completion of a maternal death notification form.
"External experts are involved in the review and the family of the deceased are consulted on the terms of reference, are interviewed by the review team and given a copy of the final report."
The taoiseach, Enda Kenny, said he would not be rushed into any measures while the two independent inquiries were under way.
His health minister, James Reilly, is understood to have received a report meanwhile from a group of experts exploring the possibility of reforming Ireland's abortion laws. Women who have had terminations in England for medical reasons called on Reilly on Wednesday to publish the findings as soon as possible in the light of Savita Halappanavar's death.
"I think it would be only appropriate that the two investigations that are being carried out here are concluded," Kenny said.
At present the coalition government is preparing a report on possible legal reforms of abortion legislation in the light of a European court ruling in 2009 that declared the absolute ban to be a breach of women's human rights.
Nulty, TD for Dublin West, said: "The heartbreaking tragedy of the death of Savita Praveen Halappanavar is something which should cause every citizen in our republic to pause and reflect."
He added that the government should no longer "hide behind reports and delay tactics. It must act to protect women and their health. This issue cannot be swept aside and ignored as successive governments have done."
Intervention by the European court of human rights has forced Ireland to make some minimal changes to its abortion ban. Since the 1992 X case, in which a 14-year-old rape victim took on the state's ban not only on her having a termination in Ireland but also on her travelling abroad for an abortion, there have been some exceptional circumstances.
Since Europe ruled that there was a risk to the child's life if she was forced to go ahead with the pregnancy, guidelines have been set down on these rare and exceptional cases.
Ireland's Medical Council guidelines state that "abortion is illegal in Ireland except where there is a real and substantial risk to the life (as distinct from the health) of the mother".
It adds: "Under current legal precedent, this exception includes where there is a clear and substantial risk to the life of the mother arising from a threat of suicide."
The guidance also informs doctors that they "should undertake a full assessment of any such risk in light of the clinical research on this issue".
And it advises that "rare complications can arise where therapeutic intervention (including termination of a pregnancy) is required at a stage when, due to extreme immaturity of the baby, there may be little or no hope of the baby surviving.
"In these exceptional circumstances, it may be necessary to intervene to terminate the pregnancy to protect the life of the mother, while making every effort to preserve the life of the baby."
However, such decisions are often left to the discretion of individual doctors and their medical teams. The pressure group Terminations for Medical Reasons Ireland, which campaigns for women whose babies would die if they went full term into their pregnancies, points out that in many cases some Irish doctors will not even advise women on their rights to travel abroad for abortions, let alone recommend emergency terminations in Ireland.
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