The 2012 "Election" thread

[justdrew]

well, remember AJ was ~2005-7 making a big play for "non-traditional" audience. and don't forget, he had some veneer of cred from his appearance in Slacker, with his "I'm not gonna take it anymore" speech, which is IIRC broadly an agreeable speech.

The MAIN THING going forward is damping down all the psiops bullshit injected into the info stream. There's plenty of pro-Robme people who were pissed at the birther/teaparty/crazy/rape wing. It's a real possibility that much of the wingers (and especially the "new" wingers, "radicalized" only in the post 2008 era) were INTENTIONALLY pushed by a very broad array of psiops tools to the extreme.

It wouldn't be the first time we've seen a "movement" derailed by proliferating bullshit.

Look at that ulsterman reports site I was talking about. publishing almost-certainly fake insider leaks. A broad array of sites/posters/etc pushing already-debunked hokum and the whole range of extreme bullshit. It could be they were very much helped and encouraged by some entity who did not share their agenda.

Maybe it's just an inevitable by-product in this "information age," but we need to be aware of just how much BULLSHIT there is out there, separately trying to suck us in with emotional appeals and all the tools. "get on board our narrative"

but the good news is, most people now or within the coming weeks, can step back reassess and see the vast majority of republican talking points as the empty grab bag of hot button bullshit it is. They're hollowed out, no real ideas. Just tear everything down, and hand it to private enterprise just doesn't even make sense. I mean, romney's idea of privatizing FEMA is the SINGLE MOST overthetop ASININE thing anyone's ever heard.

Anyway, "Corporate America" has long shown itself uninterested in modernization, only regulation and standards force them to move forward on anything.

[82_28]

Like a lot of people, I listened to Rush Limbaugh the day after the election. Pure Schadenfreude, I admit it; I just wanted to hear the reaction. I searched the right-wing media landscape far and wide and tried to find even a hint of self-examination, self-criticism, and I didn't find much. Then again, they didn't lose the presidential vote by much, so they didn't take the election result as a total repudiation of their belief system, as they probably shouldn't have, anyway.

Hate to say it again, but they are headed into nutzzz territory now. Pure fascist push. Pat Robertson is gonna convert to Mormonism. They'll try and compete with the amount of wives Muslims have when as a male they die. We could be heading into Handmaid's Tale bullshit now. It just depends on how much false flag terrorism the right wants to have happen again. They know we're all onto them. But they are going to need their brown and blackshirts. Keep an eye, obviously on this and report it immediately.

I think this is interesting and I am proud of America seeing through, at the very least the FUD of the right.

They will need some terrorism now just as Obama can "double bind" some shit himself. No one is out of the woods yet.

[justdrew]

November 08, 2012

Romney Campaign Concedes Florida
"Though votes are still being tallied, President Obama is all but assured a victory in Florida because the lion's share of the outstanding ballots come from Democratic-heavy counties," the Miami Herald reports.

"Obama leads Republican Mitt Romney by 55,825 votes -- or 49.9 percent to 49.24 -- but there just aren't enough votes from Republican areas to allow the challenger to catch up."

"Romney's Florida campaign has acknowledged their candidate lost in Florida as well. Romney already conceded the national race after he lost the other battleground states."

The final Electoral College tally is Obama at 332 and Romney at 206.

Secret Service Leaves Romney
Marc Ambinder: "Of all the indignities involved in losing a presidential race, none is more stark than the sudden emptiness of your entourage. The Secret Service detail guarding Governor Romney since Feb 1. stood down quickly. He had ridden in a 15-car motorcade to the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston for his concession speech. He rode in a single-car motorcade back across the Charles River to Belmont. His son, Tagg, did the driving."

"There is no formal guideline for the Secret Service agents in this situation; it's up to the discretion of the detail leader, who usually consults with the local police to make sure that his protectee's home won't be overrun by protestors and supporters all of a sudden."

"But the Service leaves quickly. No more motorcades. No more rope lines. No more bubbles. Familiar faces disappear, never to be seen again."

[82_28]

I am certainly not complacent, but Obama is the Left's and the Union's "oasis". And for my RI "astuteness" this means there will be a major disaster sometime soon. Very much so a splintering of the Union. Then a series of civil wars with a corporate military overseeing it all, much as the federal government is already all about.

A: Splinter America

B: Add Military

C: Whatever, profit, I guess is the cliche

But think about it. These fuckers are mixing shit up in a somewhat volatile time.

The reason the country went hella left, is because we sense the dragons of corporatism whether we know it or not. It's just a sinking feeling. Luckily, we know that 8 years of Bush woke a shit ton of people up about equality.

And this is where the Handmaid's Tale once again comes in. When it comes to the right we are dealing with hate. Just hate. They hate that we don't hate them in similar fashions. We hate that they hate. They hate that we don't hate the red counties. They hate it that we don't hate. They hate that we think about what it is we hate. The right must always oppress. And this is who they are after now.

The losers lost. Pull something new outta your hats fuckfaces. The people voted that overall, they wanna keep this shit together and work on a solution that doesn't entail a pansy assed walking Mormon republican. Jesus, you see the way that guy walked?

[justdrew]

get a load of this asswipe...

it's the incredible arrogance of ignorance...

Wednesday, November 7, 2012
The end of liberty in America: Only course of action now is to fight back, electoral politics not working

Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die

by Eric Dondero

This may be my last post here at Libertarian Republican for quite some time, possibly forever. I had a long discussion with my friend Jim "Right Guy" Lagnese last night. He has agreed, tentatively to take over this website. I cannot think of a better person to run things. He has a good head on his shoulders. He has the absolute right ideology, a Ron Paul Constitutionalist who recognizes the evils of Islam, and supports a strong military, defense of America and of course, our personal rights to gun ownership. Please give Jim all your support in the coming weeks, months, and possibly years.

Dr. Clifford Thies will still be contributing of course. Jim will take great care to publish all his numerous articles, and witty commentary. I am deeply grateful to my dear friend Clifford for all he has done to assist me since I started this website 6 years ago.

Now, that said. Firstly, I was wrong. I let my optimism get the best of me. I even lashed out at Thomas L. Knapp a time or two, saying he was nuts for his predictions. Tom was right. I was fantastically wrong. We were crushed last night at all levels, most especially in the Senate races. There is virtually no good news from last night's results for the libertarian wing of the GOP. I apologize Tom. I hope you can see fit to accept my apology.

Secondly, today starts a new course for my life. I've soured on electoral politics given what happened last night. I believe now the best course of action is outright revolt. What do I mean by that?

Well, to each his own. Some may choose to push secession in their state legislatures. Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel). Still others may want to personally separate themselves from the United States here in North America while still living under communist rule' the Glenn Beck, grab your guns, food storage, build bunkers, survivalist route. I heartily endorse all these efforts.

Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat

However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.

And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all Democrats from your Facebook account.

Boycott Business who accept Welfare payments

Thirdly, I believe we all need to express disgust with Obama and Democrats in public places. To some extent I already do this. Example:

When I'm at the Wal-mart or grocery story I typically pay with my debit card. On the pad it comes up, "EBT, Debit, Credit, Cash." I make it a point to say loudly to the check-out clerk, "EBT, what is that for?" She inevitably says, "it's government assistance." I respond, "Oh, you mean welfare? Great. I work for a living. I'm paying for my food with my own hard-earned dollars. And other people get their food for free." And I look around with disgust, making sure others in line have heard me.

I am going to step this up. I am going to do far more of this in my life. It's going to be my personal crusade. I hope other libertarians and conservatives will eventually join me.

What I plan to do this week, is to get yard signs made up, at my own expense, that read, "EBT is for Welfare Moochers." I will put the signs out on public property off of the right-of-way so it's entirely legal, in front of every convenience store or grocery store that has a sign out saying "EBT Accepted Here." I may even do some sign waving in front of these stores, holding up my "EBT is for Welfare Moochers," sign, and waving to passers-by.

If I meet a Democrat in my life from here on out, I will shun them immediately. I will spit on the ground in front of them, being careful not to spit in their general direction so that they can't charge me with some stupid little nuisance law. Then I'll tell them in no un-certain terms: "I do not associate with Democrats. You all are communist pigs, and I have nothing but utter disgust for you. Sir/Madam, you are scum of the earth." Then I'll turn and walk the other way.

Buttons. Boy, you can have a lot of fun with this. I plan to make up a bunch of buttons, and wear them around town, sayings like "Democrats are Communist Pigs," or "Welfare moochers steal from hard-working Americans," "Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws" or "No Smoking Ban: Nanny-Staters go Fuck Yourselves."

There are so many other nasty little things I plan to do against the communists and those who support them. Perhaps I'll keep Jim informed and he can report on my activities here at LR.

For now, off to my first assignment: Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to "fuck off, don't ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers." Wish me luck!

Now here's the thing though, I totality recognize where he's coming from. Been there, done that, not going back. total 2005. It's perhaps a rational response, IF HE WERE RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING.

but ultimately, they're not.

I don't know if any of these fools currently stomping off into the wilderness will come back. It's mostly guys, some women totally bought into the right wing mythology, but mostly males. They JUST DON'T GET IT...

if only they'd put on the glasses (or stop looking at the world through their fun-house mirror)

but here's the thing, who ELSE has some fun-house mirrors for looking at the world?

[Lottie McLotsaluck]

One thing is for sure-I am done predicting election outcomes in this country!
I will be overjoyed if this is the beginning of the end for the far-right crazies here!
Happy that Sheldon Adelson lost 54 million (altho I guess he really won't 'feel' it).
Happy about many elections in other states ( I guess my state still sucks balls )
I feel stupid for thinking J. Stein might get between 2 and 5 percent of the vote.
I am no fan of the administration, but all in all there is a lot to be happy wrt the Nov 6 2012 election.
I await patiently the 'Third Eagle of the Apocalypse' and his you tube video take on the election results-should be hilarious! (The 'Take the R Train' dude).

[Lottie McLotsaluck]

Mr Dondero has some very heavy psychological issues it would seem- or perhaps he just needs to go to a proctologist and have his head pulled out of his sphincter!

[8bitagent]

but the good news is, most people now or within the coming weeks, can step back reassess and see the vast majority of republican talking points as the empty grab bag of hot button bullshit it is. They're hollowed out, no real ideas. Just tear everything down, and hand it to private enterprise just doesn't even make sense. I mean, romney's idea of privatizing FEMA is the SINGLE MOST overthetop ASININE thing anyone's ever heard.

I used to talk of the (then coming in 2008) Obama win as a period that activists will be lulled into a slumber coming out of the Bush era. But I feel now is the time as any for real workable grassroots and community movements. The fringe can only think of this bizarre "stock pile on weapons and get ready for a violent revolution/become a survivalist" bullshit, when in reality hard fought campaigns like the one we saw get a bunch of progressive women into power the other night(and get progressive measures past) is how one fights the system.

There can now be, for now, a calm period to look at the tattered landscape and find real solutions to things for motivated people. And, one can finally give a full autopsy to the beast that was slayed so that people can identify all the nasty tricks and ideologies on the right. It's one thing for people to blather on about "those backwards right wingers", but it's important to actually hear and examine what it is they truly espouse/want and the tactics they use.

I personally am disappointed in myself for becoming so antagonistic in my comments or replies. I now get why people were very focused on putting aside criticism of Obama for the common good of sending a message to the GOP.
I had become so cynical, yet by the end of election night when the smoke cleared I learned a lot. I had never heard of Baldwin, Warren and all the progressives who won seats. I had not been aware of all the measures on ballots.
I "get it" now.

It sucks. For all the talk I've given of how "the racist right wing is just there so you can't criticize Obama", "Obama is an engineered and manipulated puppet of the elite", and "they'll get done through Obama what they never could have during Bush"...I WANT to like the guy. He *IS* likeable. There's not much about him I dislike, other than these frustrating(and at times very immoral in my view) policies.

I can fully understand why people love this man. Remember the thread I wrote in the summer of 2008 called "I Want To Believe". I guess, after a steady diet on archival footage and researching Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, John Lennon, George Mcgovern, Crisholm, etc I wanted him to be THAT kind of progressive.

This man has been so thoroughly dehumanized, demonized, and thoroughly turned into this projection of every ugly hateful notion by the right wing that I am ashamed to have fallen into almost the leftist version of that at times with some of my comments. Again, it's just maddening when I read Hedges, Greenwald, or the great work Nordic and Ninakat point out. I WANT to believe. I want to believe we're reaching this turning point.

[justdrew]

it could be.

we can't give all our sense of power and possibility over to unnameable forces. "they" just don't control everything, lots of stuff may be influenced, but I don't think "they" whoever they may be, have total control. In the end they're as interested in survival as us, and even if there is a "they" (and heck, there may be several) - couldn't it be that they've decided "we" might have the better way forward? What really sets "them" apart from "us" ? wealth. but wealth is something that always must be renewed, wealth not productive is wealth that is soon gone. Do "they" really want to risk EVERYTHING by going down a full-on dystopia path (which would be a reversal of the trend toward more liberty we've seen over the last 100+ years) ? Isn't is possible that there's support "out there" for a wide variety of Very Good Things now that ground is visibly shifting under everyone's feet?

What if PNAC has been a declared a total failure, that whole mode is out the window, and Plan B is in effect, one that attempts to improve things and preserve as much as possible?

Cause who wants to live in a underground bunker? and let's face it, that wouldn't work anyway. No, it could be the crazies are done for, sure there's still a lot of shit in the air, but maybe there really is a trend going where it's all being toned down. Slowly but surely.

It's really time for humanity to pull together and change some shit, and I suspect even many of the real PTB know that, though there's still the Adelson/Koch-types out there, they are literally a dying breed.

[8bitagent]

Like a lot of people, I listened to Rush Limbaugh the day after the election. Pure Schadenfreude, I admit it; I just wanted to hear the reaction. I searched the right-wing media landscape far and wide and tried to find even a hint of self-examination, self-criticism, and I didn't find much. Then again, they didn't lose the presidential vote by much, so they didn't take the election result as a total repudiation of their belief system, as they probably shouldn't have, anyway.

Hate to say it again, but they are headed into nutzzz territory now. Pure fascist push. Pat Robertson is gonna convert to Mormonism. They'll try and compete with the amount of wives Muslims have when as a male they die. We could be heading into Handmaid's Tale bullshit now. It just depends on how much false flag terrorism the right wants to have happen again. They know we're all onto them. But they are going to need their brown and blackshirts. Keep an eye, obviously on this and report it immediately.

I think this is interesting and I am proud of America seeing through, at the very least the FUD of the right.

They will need some terrorism now just as Obama can "double bind" some shit himself. No one is out of the woods yet.

It used to be they said wink and nod coded racist shit, with the occasional "did he just say what I think he said?" (regarding mainstream right wing talk show hosts) Now I think the wheels are going to come off. I don't need to link the rightwing watch blog or youtube channel. I can't even imagine the scary shit both the Rush/Savage type talk shows will spew nor the evangelical Christian talk shows. It may seem silly to some, but these folks have an insane amount of devoted listeners. Air America failed because the left just doesn't have a hold on people's radio or tv minds like the right does.

As far as terrorism...between 2008 and 2009 we saw a lot of crazy lone wolf right wing incidents, though they somewhat died down. But sadly, the number one act of mass violence we continually see is the advent of mass shooters. Every time it happens, gun sales go through the roof because the right wing thinks the government is going to grab their guns. I can almost guarantee this not only would never happen, but it's a 100% fantasy the right has. I don't even necessarily think a lot of this stuff needs to be false flagged in the classic sense. I think you're just going to see more and more people amped up, paranoid and encouraged by crazy talk out there. And I hate to say it, but all those returning Afghan and Iraq vets...the more racial inclined ones. I definitely fear some of those folks might snap, especially the conspiracy prone Mcveigh types(I realize the irony in me saying conspiracy theorist since technically I am one, or citing OKC as I still think there were a lot of suspicious things about it) We could even get a false flag pointing to the patriot militia types in order to rile them up.

As many have said here, gotta watch out for psyops in all directions.

[Lottie McLotsaluck]

That 'Uncle Rockford' video was more than just a little disturbing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agree with the commenter about the projection bit -good god these people are fucking psychotic assholes.
very sad to think he and his ilk are part of the 'human' race!
I even feel very sorry for his poor de-clawed cat (says a lot right there wrt declaw) the poor thing is probably upset because she wants the hell outta there!
If the Secret Service doesn't pay a visit to his ugly ass, they are truly negligent (almost typed 'nuglagent' ) they obviously can't do that with every hater but this freak is about to snap for good I think; hope we are not reading about him in the news in the coming days.
fuck - just fuck - what can you say or do in some situations?

[8bitagent]

by Eric Dondero

This may be my last post here at Libertarian Republican for quite some time, possibly forever. I had a long discussion with my friend Jim "Right Guy" Lagnese last night. He has agreed, tentatively to take over this website. I cannot think of a better person to run things. He has a good head on his shoulders. He has the absolute right ideology, a Ron Paul Constitutionalist who recognizes the evils of Islam, and supports a strong military, defense of America and of course, our personal rights to gun ownership. Please give Jim all your support in the coming weeks, months, and possibly years.

LOL. Ron Paul is AGAINST demonizing Muslims and against the wars. He may have creepy states rights views, be anti choice, had a racist newsletter but he's clear in his anti Muslim hate/anti war stance. Once again,
even many on the "Libertarian"(the kinder gentler right wing! Not) are fooled.

But yeah this "civility is over, time to stockpile and get ready for war" talk...good lord.

I am certainly not complacent, but Obama is the Left's and the Union's "oasis". And for my RI "astuteness" this means there will be a major disaster sometime soon. Very much so a splintering of the Union. Then a series of civil wars with a corporate military overseeing it all, much as the federal government is already all about.

A: Splinter America

B: Add Military

C: Whatever, profit, I guess is the cliche

But think about it. These fuckers are mixing shit up in a somewhat volatile time.

The reason the country went hella left, is because we sense the dragons of corporatism whether we know it or not. It's just a sinking feeling. Luckily, we know that 8 years of Bush woke a shit ton of people up about equality.

And this is where the Handmaid's Tale once again comes in. When it comes to the right we are dealing with hate. Just hate. They hate that we don't hate them in similar fashions. We hate that they hate. They hate that we don't hate the red counties. They hate it that we don't hate. They hate that we think about what it is we hate. The right must always oppress. And this is who they are after now.

The losers lost. Pull something new outta your hats fuckfaces. The people voted that overall, they wanna keep this shit together and work on a solution that doesn't entail a pansy assed walking Mormon republican. Jesus, you see the way that guy walked?

Mitt wasnt even the problem, as horrible as his policies would be. Its the endless armada of 9th dimentional racist nasties and backwards orc warriors that would follow in his rift opening portal had he won.

Btw, remember THIS video game?




It's pathetic how Alex Jones doesn't see that he is doing exactly what the elite want: stoking the right wing violent flames of over-reaction and blind hatred.

[8bitagent]

EDIT:

Remember, JFK was a warmonger, puppet of the powers that be, etc for a few years. People forget this.
I want to believe Obama will listen to some on the left and stop doing some of these Bush like things. And on top of that stand up to the GOP and push through
important legislation.

it could be.

we can't give all our sense of power and possibility over to unnameable forces. "they" just don't control everything, lots of stuff may be influenced, but I don't think "they" whoever they may be, have total control. In the end they're as interested in survival as us, and even if there is a "they" (and heck, there may be several) - couldn't it be that they've decided "we" might have the better way forward? What really sets "them" apart from "us" ? wealth. but wealth is something that always must be renewed, wealth not productive is wealth that is soon gone. Do "they" really want to risk EVERYTHING by going down a full-on dystopia path (which would be a reversal of the trend toward more liberty we've seen over the last 100+ years) ? Isn't is possible that there's support "out there" for a wide variety of Very Good Things now that ground is visibly shifting under everyone's feet?

What if PNAC has been a declared a total failure, that whole mode is out the window, and Plan B is in effect, one that attempts to improve things and preserve as much as possible?

Cause who wants to live in a underground bunker? and let's face it, that wouldn't work anyway. No, it could be the crazies are done for, sure there's still a lot of shit in the air, but maybe there really is a trend going where it's all being toned down. Slowly but surely.

It's really time for humanity to pull together and change some shit, and I suspect even many of the real PTB know that, though there's still the Adelson/Koch-types out there, they are literally a dying breed.

Well it's possible if there is an elite, they turned on the neocons/Rove-ian types if only because they know using that model just will not work anymore.
Again, the look on Rove's face...I honestly do not know if he's simply in denial("wait wait, Houston can still win this game if they make a three pointer, foul, three pointer!) OR if he was told in no uncertain terms there were some, *ahem*...guarantees in place.

We talk a lot about stolen elections, vote fraud. But it's refreshing to know there was none of that in 2008 or 2012. So that's a victory. Some may say, and in fact I might say, that "they" didn't need to steal the election.
All they needed was to groom a charismatic person and put a zillion dollars behind him. True. But people cast their ballots and so it was. It's funny to see some on the right start talking about vote machine riggings and stuff, the same people who laughed at people for accusing Bush of that in 2000 and 2004.

You know it's odd. After 9/11 when I started going on 'conspiracy forums', mostly left leaning at first...there was a lot of worry and talk about "9/11 followups", martial law, etc. Even just every day people worried about terrorism. It never happened. There never was a proper "third war"(full on invasion) We had the Wall Street scheme collapse, yet we saw a lot of those Enron Madoffs rescued with massive bailouts. But the fears of a false flag to get into a war with Iran, a nuke terror attack and all these things(indeed, thankfully most of my predictions) simply didnt happen.
We dont even hear the "Muslim terror" fear stuff. In fact the largest terror attack in the West since the London bombings was perpetrated by a white neo Nazi Christian, done in the name of hating Muslims.
If, IF Breivik acted on his own...well shit, that is truly fucking scary. Scarier than Gladio. Because it shows how these ideas, like viruses, are out there.

People don't want violence. Even in Libya, it was clear that whatever the heck happened in Benghazi, the public en masse came out to reject it. Not some Saddam statue toppling photo op completely staged, but genuine outpouring.

If 82_28 and even some of my fears happen(right wing violence/civil unrest/economic collapse/x factors) then by golly, means people need to work all the harder to work together locally(alternative energy, back up currency, affordable community farmer markets, getting progressives into office, getting mental health funds and care available, etc)

As far as the elite...well, some think they've built giant bunkers in the idea that they will cause or know about an impending catastrophe. Who knows. I personally do not believe Sandy was HAARP related, but related to global warming. Ultimately, the joke could be the powers that be are powerless when it comes to mother/universe nature.

[justdrew]

the other thing is, these wingers ideological dogma drives them to HATE something like 75% of the US population. They can not survive/thrive in that kind of self-imposed isolation indefinitely. To the extent they try, the best they can hope for is the joy of the full-time abortion protestor, or total separation from society like a new Amish or something. Meanwhile, the rest of US build a better society for all.



Nothing's stopping them, they're "free'er" than ever, any of them are absolutely free to go start a business, make something for fucks sake, etc. but no, they'd rather spend all their time wining about "regulations" and "Tax" - meanwhile, the rest of US will learn the regulations, and find ways to meet them simply and efficiently, and realize that Tax is paid on Profits. millions of businesses do just fine paying taxes, if your business can't, you must not have a functional business model. Too bad, but nobody ever promised them a rose garden.

In fact, we just told Mitt...
(someone play this for mitt... "I never promised you the rose garden" )

[wintler2]

Congrats from down under, where 80% preferred Obama (according to right wing Lowy Institute poll).

Most interesting thing in post-vote coverage here: commentary on the all-white audience at Romneys election night party, stupidity of this given demographic context, does same apply to our Torys (well DUH! but since we're still majority anglo, less signif.).

:)

Hippies Wander Into the Lions' Den, Maul Lions

3 NOV 7 2012, 3:10 PM ET 417

Let us review:
The United States of America -- a country where only eight years ago, opposition to the right of gay and lesbian couples to form and protect their families, under the color of law, was a winning national election strategy -- for the first time by popular vote defeated an effort to discriminate against such families in one state, and endorsed the right to marry in three others.
This same United States sent a woman who is gay to its upper chamber.
..

Beautiful! Thanks.