The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby elfismiles » Fri May 18, 2012 7:55 am


Italian Court Rules MMR Vaccine Did Trigger Autism
May 17th, 2012
http://cryptogon.com/?p=29186

Via: NYR Natural News:
http://www.nyrnaturalnews.com/chemicals ... er-autism/


An Italian court has ruled there is a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

In what may be a ground-breaking decision, the Italian Court of Rimini has ruled that causation between an MMR vaccine and the resulting autism in a young child “has been established.”

The unnamed child received the vaccine in March of 2004 and on returning home immediately developed adverse symptoms. During the next year the child regressed, receiving the autism diagnosis one year later and is now 100% disabled by the disease.

The Italian court ruled that the child “has been damaged by irreversible complications due to vaccination (prophylaxis trivalent MMR)” and ordered the Ministry of Health to compensate the child with a 15 year annuity and to reimburse the parents of their court cost.


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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby lupercal » Sat May 19, 2012 5:16 am

thanks elfi, very interesting.. I don't expect this will survive the Lancet/Wakefield/medical establishment treatment when it hits the Appeals Court in Bologna, where it's apparently headed, with the Italian Ministry of Health as a defendant and every conceivable Italian medical organization pitching in, but it's still a milestone, pardon the pun. From the April 10 Italian report:

La sentenza ha provocato “forte sconcerto” tra gli esperti del Board Scientifico del Calendario Vaccinale per la Vita, che riunisce figure di elevato prestigio dell’Igiene e della Sanità Pubblica, della Medicina Generale, della Pediatria territoriale-ospedaliera ed universitaria facenti capo alla Società Italiana di Igiene, Medicina Preventiva e Sanità Pubblica (SItI), alla Federazione Italiana Medici di Medicina Generale (Fimmg); alla Federazione Italiana Medici Pediatri (Fimp) e alla Società Italiana di Pediatria (Sip). http://www.quotidianosanita.it/regioni- ... fl_4301203 - Google trans:

The ruling has caused "great consternation" among the experts of the Scientific Board of the Vaccine Schedule for Life, which brings together figures of high standing of the Hygiene and Public Health, General Medicine, and Paediatrics hospital and university belonging to the Company Italian of Hygiene, Preventive Medicine and Public Health (SItI), the Italian Federation of General Practitioners (FIMMG), the Italian Federation of Paediatricians Doctors (FIMP) and the Italian Society of Pediatrics (SIP).

Also, I'm going to call on my rigorous intuition to add this to the "Mary R. Kennedy's cause of death Identified" pool, because RFK jr is probably the best witness that could be brought in such a trial, and possibly the only non-spook media personality left who will touch the issue, and yet another death in the family will conveniently take him out of commission for a couple of months at least. Short and long versions of his 2005 article:

Shorter: "Deadly Immunity," by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., published on Thursday, June 16, 2005 by Salon.com and July 20, 2005 by Rolling Stone: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0616-31.htm

Longer: "Tobacco Science and the Thimerosal Scandal," by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., June 22, 2005 (66 pg. PDF): http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/Th ... lFINAL.PDF

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Murder and sabotage are routine news cycle management techniques.

Yes it is, and yes they are, and there are seven decades and countless $ billions of liability riding on the thimerosal coverup, which seems to rank pretty highly on the list of high-priority psyops, along with every other autism-vaccine link.
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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby elfismiles » Fri May 25, 2012 9:24 am

Revolt Against Vaccines Leads to Mass Exodus From Texas Colleges
Hundreds of classes cancelled as ACC loses 10,000 students
http://www.infowars.com/revolt-against- ... -colleges/
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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:31 am

TriHealth fires 150 employees for not getting flu shots

One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.

TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said.

Employees who were terminated can appeal to be reinstated after receiving the shot.
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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby compared2what? » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:43 pm

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Re: The Autism-Vaccine Debate: Why It Won't Go Away

Postby compared2what? » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:20 pm

    MMS, or how to cure autism with bleach. Brought to you by AutismOne

    There are so many strange theories about autism which come and go that one doesn’t have the time to read up on all of them. Such is the case with MMS, which I now know stands for Miracle Mineral Solution. Recently the chatter on some of the yahoo groups I subscribe to increased with discussions of MMS and I just didn’t read what they were talking about.

    Dr. David Gorski at Science Based Medicine did look into this. His article Bleaching away what ails you goes into detail about MMS.

    To put it simply, “Miracle Mineral Solution” is bleach. Like many alternative medicine treatments, proponents of MMS claim it can help almost anything. Including autism.

    If you unfamiliar with it, AutismOne is a parent convention with a large focus on claims of vaccine causation and alt-med therapies for autism. When Andrew Wakefield lost his medical license for unethical practices, he was given a standing ovation at the following AutismOne conference. When Mark Geier’s medical license was suspended, he also was given a standing ovation. Year after year one can hear discussion of the failed idea about how mercury in vaccines caused an autism epidemic. There are some presentations at AutismOne which appear useful (such as special education law), but the fact that they have such low standards for science and treatment topics trumps whatever good they might do.

    As in the talk this year on MMS (38 Children Recovered in 20 months: Autism Treatment with MMS). Slides for the talk are online.

    The talk has a lot of the usual warning signs:

    1) claims of recovery substantiated by anecdotes and testimonials.
    2) pseudo-scientific claims (in this case discussion of the chemistry of the molecules)
    3) reliance on non-scientific explanation of autism (in this case that autism can be cured by ridding the body of parasites)
    4) re-defining adverse reactions as expected and helpful.

    And it is this last point that is particularly troublesome. Many alt-med therapies result in adverse reactions. Read yahoo groups and you will see them frequently. For MMS you will see vomiting and diarrhea. Parents discuss ramping up the dose of MMS until the child starts to vomit, then backing off.

    The presentation from AutismOne includes:

    It is common to find that the child gets a fever. This is very good.

    As well as a claim that the adverse reactions are “Herxheimer reactions”. Herxheimer reactions exist–search the Mayo Clinic website and you will find it for when syphilis is treated with penicillin. You won’t find it for when a child is made to drink bleach.

    Why would a child have an adverse reaction to MMS? Because it’s bleach. Here is an FDA warning on MMS:

    FDA Warns Consumers of Serious Harm from Drinking Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS)
    Product contains industrial strength bleach

    The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to take Miracle Mineral Solution, an oral liquid also known as “Miracle Mineral Supplement” or “MMS.” The product, when used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health.

    The FDA has received several reports of health injuries from consumers using this product, including severe nausea, vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure from dehydration.

    Consumers who have MMS should stop using it immediately and throw it away.

    MMS is distributed on Internet sites and online auctions by multiple independent distributors. Although the products share the MMS name, the look of the labeling may vary.

    The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration.

    MMS claims to treat multiple unrelated diseases, including HIV, hepatitis, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and other conditions. The FDA is not aware of any research that MMS is effective in treating any of these conditions. MMS also poses a significant health risk to consumers who may choose to use this product for self-treatment instead of seeking FDA-approved treatments for these conditions.

    The FDA continues to investigate and may pursue civil or criminal enforcement actions as appropriate to protect the public from this potentially dangerous product.

    The FDA advises consumers who have experienced any negative side effects from MMS to consult a health care professional as soon as possible and to discard the product. Consumers and health care professionals should report adverse events to the FDA’s MedWatch program at 800-FDA-1088 or online at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report.htm.

    One has to question whether AutismOne spent any thought about promoting giving bleach orally or rectally to disabled children before accepting this speaker. Seriously, how hard is it to consider that forcing anyone, and especially disabled children, to drink bleach is a bad idea?

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lupercal wrote:thanks elfi, very interesting.. I don't expect this will survive the Lancet/Wakefield/medical establishment treatment when it hits the Appeals Court in Bologna,]


I think you're underestimating how much people are willing to overlook in order to maintain a belief that's in some way gratifying to them.
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