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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby justdrew » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:57 am

Fred Astaire wrote:Dr. Greer, and Dr. John Mack, got a lot of funding from Laurance Rockefeller. What does that tell you?


not really sure why Laurance Rockefeller should be a bogyman. What's the problem? Yeah, he was rich, well educated and in positions of power, but I don't see what he did with it that was particularly bad. I'm no expert on the guy though. :shrug:
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:58 am

justdrew wrote:
Fred Astaire wrote:Dr. Greer, and Dr. John Mack, got a lot of funding from Laurance Rockefeller. What does that tell you?


not really sure why Laurance Rockefeller should be a bogyman. What's the problem? Yeah, he was rich, well educated and in positions of power, but I don't see what he did with it that was particularly bad. I'm no expert on the guy though. :shrug:


I'm half with you, but searching just Rigorous Intuition for "Laurance" returns a lot of written word devoted to the idea of the Rockefellers operating as a cohesive unit, carving the cultural, social, and political world up into spheres of influence by which to obfuscate and to steer towards common goals.

In other words, it's sort of like saying "we don't really know what Laurance was up to, but to get an idea, look to the rest of the Rockefellers and the vast shifts in the status quo that they have been able to implement. How have McKenna, Mack, Greer, and various consciousness projects contributed to or otherwise supported those goals?" I'm sure many have varying opinions on this.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby slimmouse » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:03 pm

I was thinkiing about writing something about Mr Hastings and his book today, so I started to have a quick look around for more info on him.

It did't take long to discover problems.

It would appear that Robert Hasting has got a firm grasp on the delusion stick, if we're assuming thats all he's holding;

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/v ... 8&start=15

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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:48 pm

Relevant gristle in a recent thread on hyper-speed UFOs over Denver:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35706



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chump wrote:
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Ed Zachary.

John Boyd made a name for himself off the core insight that the slowest part of any given aviation system is the human being in the pilot seat. His solution, operating from a 1950's brainpan with a broader horizon than most, was to analyze the cognition behind combat. A cleaner solution, from our modern Automata Era, is to remove the pilot altogether - take the exquisite, nearly pilotless feedback loops of the F-35 control system and just use the computers.

The speeds indicate an object that literally cannot crash. The location indicates that this technology has been iterated and crash tested enough for brass to sign off on routine demonstrations over densely urban areas.

After all, "too fast" for a human pilot means that the visual/spatial picture is updating faster than the human processor can handle. It's worth considering that, not only could a system of networked microprocessors handle a vastly higher "frame rate" than even the most modafinil-ized human, but it could also take really nice, clean, high-resolution photos the whole time.

'City-Sized' Surveillance

Predator-class drones are today's spy tools of choice; the military and CIA have hundreds of them keeping watch over Pakistan, Libya, Yemen, Mexico, and elsewhere. But the Predators and the larger Reapers are imperfect eyes in the sky. They rely on cameras that offer, as the military cliche goes, a "soda straw" view of the battlefield -- maybe a square kilometer, depending on how high the drone flies.

Tomorrow's sensors, on the other hand, will be able to monitor an area 10 times larger with twice the resolution. The Autonomous Real-time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance Imaging System ("Argus, for short) is a collection of 92 five-megapixel cameras. In a single day, it collects six petabytes of video — the equivalent of 79.8 years' worth of HD video.

Argus and other "Wide Area Airborne Surveillance" systems have their limitations. Right now, the military doesn't have the bandwidth to pull all that video off a drone in real time. Nor it does it have the analysts to watch all the footage; they're barely keeping up with the soda straws. Plus, the camera bundles have had some problems sharing data with some of the military's other spy systems.

But interest in the Wide Area Airborne Surveillance systems is growing -- and not just among those looking to spy overseas. The Department of Homeland Security recently put out a call for a camera array that could keep tabs on 10 square kilometers at once, and tested out another WAAS sensor along the border. Meanwhile, Sierra Nevada Corporation, a well-traveled intelligence contractor, is marketing its so-called "Vigilant Stare" sensor (.pdf), which it says will watch "city-sized fields of regard" for domestic "counter-narcotics" and "civil unrest" missions. Keep your eyes peeled.

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The disconnect, it should be noted, between the high-tech toys of SOF teams vs. the Russian-style crap that your average GI spends their career dealing with....worlds apart. Field commanders are still trying to get into basic intel loops and still being told that troops are just not a priority for this Modern Army.

Of course, another way to deal with the problem of crashing into the ground at thousands of miles per hour would be some Hessdalen / plasma style transient matter that barely exists in any conventional sense to begin with...


Miles makes an excellent point, though:

elfismiles wrote:I'm all for discussion of possible alternative theories for ufos, tulpas and projections of the collective unconcious, dimensional beings etc.

However, when I look at those videos being discussed they remind me of the insects video'd and called "rods" which took the ufo / para world by storm several years ago.

Am I certain of that? No. So HCE and all, I don't consider my reaction "dismissive". I'm just offerring my perspective on how I see the video.

Certainly, it could also be some new drone tech but I also don't buy that personally as we've been following the drone tech pretty closely and it doesn't seem to be within the realm of what we know.

Ok, so perhaps it is some new super hi-tech version. Cool! Let's keep investigating.

My comments on this video aren't meant to detract from the personal sightings of 82_28 or chump etal. In their cases they claim to have seen something with their naked eyes whereas in the case of the video footage in question they say the whatsits were not visible to the nake eye - only discerned on the camera footage after the fact.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby streeb » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:19 pm

Recent Leslie Kean article in HuffPo about a similar kind of sighting caught on multiple cameras:

It is both intriguing and puzzling that the two scientists disagreed about the most crucial question in this case: Did the same unidentified aerial phenomenon, or UAP, appear on two separate cameras? If the exact same UAP was filmed by the two cameras 20 to 30 feet apart simultaneously, then we would know the object was large, distant and not a bug. Haines concluded that the two cameras captured the same UAP in one sequence, while Maccabee concluded they did not.


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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby elfismiles » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:46 pm

From wacko John Hutchison's youtube channel ... no idea if he shot this or just uploaded it. No way of determining size so I'll go with drone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiPGqvFp_MY
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby elfismiles » Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:17 pm

Final Events & Ray Boeche
http://nickredfernfortean.blogspot.com/ ... oeche.html

... which just links to this interview with Boeche who is the person that put Redfern on the trail of this demonic tail:

Where Lincoln turned to explain the strange
November 19, 2012 9:00 am • By NICK BERGIN / Lincoln Journal Star
http://journalstar.com/special-section/ ... 39e8d.html
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby elfismiles » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:24 pm

I vaguely remember hearing about this earlier this year:

Egyptian girl, Aisha Mustafa, invents new space propulsion system
May 31, 2012
http://digitaljournal.com/article/325785

Mustafa's Space Drive: An Egyptian Student's Quantum Physics Invention
http://www.fastcompany.com/1837966/must ... -invention

Looking Beyond Space and Time to Cope With Quantum Theory
ScienceDaily (Oct. 28, 2012) — Physicists have proposed an experiment that could force us to make a choice between extremes to describe the behaviour of the Universe.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 142217.htm

Ironically, that first link features video footage of ... John Hutchison!
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby The Consul » Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:10 pm

[quote="elfismiles"]From wacko John Hutchison's youtube channel ... no idea if he shot this or just uploaded it. No way of determining size so I'll go with drone.

It's an X-47B derivative- wings in, though it's trim seems a bit heavy.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:34 pm

The Consul wrote:
elfismiles wrote:From wacko John Hutchison's youtube channel ... no idea if he shot this or just uploaded it. No way of determining size so I'll go with drone.

It's an X-47B derivative- wings in, though it's trim seems a bit heavy.


Thanks Consul.

To me it seems more like a smallish RC plane with either real jet engine or coincidental (or added) jet noise.

A friend has been asking around for me and suggested the Arado E 555:

http://images.google.com/search?q=Arado+E.+555


Here are some RC versions that fly...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbMNXAH8KVg

Hear is one with "jet noise" ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NmhlhZgLjA
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Six Hits of Sunshine » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:57 pm

UFOs, High Weirdness, CIA, Mind Control and the darker side of UFOlogy. All in 38 minutes.


An unsettling first-person talk on UFO contact

This is an audio recording of a presentation by a man using the pen-name John Clark. I read the book and it is extremely strange and unsettling.

You can hear the shaky quality to his voice during this presentation. He seems fragile and uneasy. In the middle of this talk he sort of awkwardly says: "... and then I tried to end it all, and I found myself in a hospital." This dramatic remark says a lot about the intensity of his set of experiences.

I met John at the UFO conference where he made this unnerving presentation in 2008. My heart went out to the guy, he seemed deeply troubled by what had intersected with his life...

The book is out of print and there is almost zero on-line reference to his book or his experiences.


http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/20 ... n-ufo.html
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Crow » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:24 pm

I happened upon that same John Clark recording recently and found it absorbing, though I still have no idea what happened to him. I guess he doesn't, either. But he seemed to be less than one degree of separation away from Sirhan Sirhan's hypnotizers, which is worrying.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Crow » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:25 pm

All of the Hidden Experience shows are thoughtful and interesting, too.
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Re: Where is UFOlogy at in 2012?

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:31 am

Pentagon Warns: Pervasive Industrial Spying Targets US Space Tech

A lot to unpack just from that headline, eh? Still, let's chew on some choice morsels:

In 2011, two Chinese nationals were convicted in federal court on charges of conspiring to violate the Arms Control Export Act after attempting to buy thousands of radiation-hardened microchips and sell them to China. The day the pair were sentenced to two years in prison for the plot, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, Neil MacBride, called it an example of how “the line between traditional espionage, export violations and economic espionage has become increasingly blurred.”

It’s also an example of the increasing number of military and space technology espionage cases being uncovered in the U.S. each year, according to a new report from the Defense Security Service, which acts as the Pentagon’s industrial security oversight agency. According to the report, first noted by InsideDefense.com, industrial espionage has grown “more persistent, pervasive and insidious” (.pdf) and that “regions with active or maturing space programs” are some of the most persistent “collectors” of sensitive radiation-hardened, or “rad-hard” microchips, an important component for satellites. And now with North Korea having successfully launched its first satellite, it’s worth taking a close look.


I was struck by the curious fact they equate a simple black market purchase - a fucking free market transaction, by gliven - with espionage. That's not an example of blurred lines, just government hyperbole and shitty writing, daug. Which is not aimed at Noah, for the record, he makes the same point a few paragraphs later. Danger Room is a good team, naturally they get played more than they get scoops but they do get a lot of scoops. They've also got a better predictive track record than "insiders" like Madsen, although they haven't out-performed "outsiders" like Hopsicker.

The article in question mostly dismisses the threat but there's a more interesting story there: the background of actual industrial espionage and the implications for something like Boeing skunkworks projects, or Bigelow Aerospace. There are private intel units with astronomical budgets doing penetration testing, constant social engineering, acquiring assets inside target corporations...."a whole horrible ecosystem" as I always say. The goal for the units is securing a competitive advantage, though, so no pastebin dox shit for them -- just into a black vault, one of dozens, one of thousands.

The Gary McKinnon case is fucking interesting, no? I'm open to the possibility it was simply a honeypot, and I'm open to the possibility he actually found something. Either way, I think the real story is the fact that Gary, too, was one of thousands and they're all getting more sophisticated on a monthly basis.

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