Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby barracuda » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:58 pm

It's the devil worshipping that gives you that look.

The Sandy Hook gunman worshiped the devil and had an online page dedicated to Satan, a former classmate revealed, as his childhood barber recalls Adam Lanza never spoke and would stare at the floor every time he had his hair cut.


lupercal wrote:And from a 12/14 article:

Following the shooting, Police were "questioning a handcuffed suspect in connection with the Newtown school shooting," the Connecticut Post tweeted. A witness told Jany that a man "was led out of the woods by police in handcuffs."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-ho ... an-2012-12


I'm guessing this is the culprit, also published on the 14th:

Chris Manfredonia, whose 6-year-old daughter attends the school, was heading there Friday morning to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.

He ran around the school trying to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:01 am

The Consul wrote:Do you think if there were any pictures of him the media came across that depicted him laughing and holding a teddy bear that they would show it?


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby lupercal » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:26 am

barracuda wrote:
lupercal wrote:And from a 12/14 article:

Following the shooting, Police were "questioning a handcuffed suspect in connection with the Newtown school shooting," the Connecticut Post tweeted. A witness told Jany that a man "was led out of the woods by police in handcuffs."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-ho ... an-2012-12


I'm guessing this is the culprit, also published on the 14th:

Chris Manfredonia, whose 6-year-old daughter attends the school, was heading there Friday morning to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.

He ran around the school trying to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher.


Doesn't surprise me. It looks like half the town was in on the action. From a link you posted earlier:

One firefighter in the initial rescue squad to respond to the 911 call last week at Sandy Hook Elementary had a son in the school at the time of the shooting, Sandy Hook Fire Chief William Halstead told Fire Chief magazine in an interview published Tuesday.

Halstead's daughter, Karin Halstead, the EMS captain, spotted the boy, who was safe. The wife of another firefighter was visiting the school and hid behind a dumpster during the shooting, Halstead said.

Halstead told the magazine that the firefighters set up a triage area, expecting dozens of wounded people, but cared for only two victims: one woman with gunshot wounds in her hand and thigh and one woman with gunshot wounds in her leg and foot.

Halstead said his ex-wife and the school nurse hid in a closet when the shooting started.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/usa ... le/1777525


Sounds like a real family affair. Also interesting is that there seemed to be a hit list and only two were wounded, with shrapnel it looks like. Also that one of two teacher fatalities, Lauren Rousseau, was a sub hired six weeks ago who wasn't given a key that would have let her lock her classroom door. Seems her car was also shot up:

According to Rousseau, the slain teacher’s 2004 Honda Civic — parked outside the school — was riddled with bullets when authorities removed the vehicle. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1223210


Also interesting: local law enforcement found an opportunity to evacuate and search the local Catholic church and school:

police searched the house of worship and an adjacent parish education center. After an hour, Trumbull Police Officer Deborah Metz gave the all-clear sign. But all religious activities for the rest of Sunday were canceled. . . .
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Mor ... to-3902487


And speaking of pictures, one of the scarce photos of Adam Lanza looking normal was apparently taken while he was a student at that same school. Via the link in IanEye's post above:
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linked photo 2: 12/15/12 Photo of Adam Lanza that was taken when he was a middle school student at St. Rose Catholic School in Newtown.
http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2012/12/can ... dam-lanza/


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:03 am

justdrew wrote:this poor kid. he's been fucked with his whole life, officially labeled, drugged, called names and hated, 20 and he can't leave home, stuck with his crazy overbearing smothering mother. It's disgusting, obvious no one ever gave a damn about this kid. If he could have gotten away from home and found a life of his own, this wouldn't have happened. I can't imagine why he had to go to that school, what the hell that was for, I don't get that, but it looks to be like he's been singled out and made a "problem" since as far back as he could remember. His "crime" appears to be that he was "smart" - and this is what we do to such kids now, drive them mad. Peer rejection, everyone just saying oh he's autistic, etc... put in a trap he obviously felt he could never get out of. I wouldn't be surprised if a teacher at that school was the first to officially label and stigmatize him. and you know about some of the "treatments" such mothers would be drawn to? Think CONTROLLING EVERY MOVE HE MAKES all day long every day. forever (as far as he would have been concerned).

but no one will think for a second about what was done to him.

things to research: was he a legally competent adult or had the mom had him classified as unable to care for himself and retained complete power over him? Or was such a court finding in process?


Not sure if some other reference to it has been posted, but...

SOUTHBURY, Conn. — At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza had trouble relating to fellow students and teachers, but that was only part of his problem. He seemed not to feel physical or emotional pain in the same way as classmates.

Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly "had some disabilities."

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that.


...if he was congenitally insensitive to pain, he probably would have died before the age of three if he hadn't had his every move controlled.

...

That could maybe explain a lot, actually. It's a weird rare genetic condition. Or it can be, anyway. I don't know barely anything about it besides that, though.

Well. According to The Atlantic Wire:

People with congenital insensitivity mainly experience problems with self-inflicted injuries, but they also sometimes struggle with emotional regulation. The U.S. National Library of Medicine explains:

Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries ... About half of people with CIPA show signs of hyperactivity or emotional instability, and many affected individuals have intellectual disability.

Certain studies suggest that people who can't feel pain may empathize with others differently than people with normal pain thresholds. A team of French researchers led by Nicolas Danziger of Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital recently studied this phenomenon using brain-imaging technology, seeking to answer a simple question: Can someone empathize with another's pain when they've never felt it themselves?

To find out, they separated subjects into two groups—one comprised of people who feel normal amounts of pain, and another made of people with congenital insensitivity to pain. They hooked up subjects to functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) machines and asked them to look at pictures of people caught in painful situations. They found that while CIP subjects had lower brain activity in the visual regions, midline brain structures lit up visibly in members of both groups. They concluded that CIP patients have a hard time with mirror matching—empathizing with others based on past experiences. But many could still empathize through perspective taking, a "means for understanding others’emotions in a more reflective way."


But it looks like there are other studies contradicting that one on PubMed. So I wouldn't take it to the bank.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:50 am

Following the shooting, Police were "questioning a handcuffed suspect in connection with the Newtown school shooting," the Connecticut Post tweeted. A witness told Jany that a man "was led out of the woods by police in handcuffs."


That's why I was trying to "bank" that shit at the beginning of the thread. There was a guy on, LIVE, who said exactly this and "all he was saying" was "I didn't do it, I didn't do it."

You guys seen this? This is fucking creepy.


Man arrested for bringing 2 x 4 labeled 'High Powered Rifle' into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Virginia


STRASBURG, Va. -

Authorities say a man has been arrested after bringing a 2 x 4 board with the words "High Powered Rifle" written on it into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Strasburg, Va.

The Shenandoah County Sheriff's Office says 33-year-old Christopher Johnson was detained by a school resource officer before being taken into custody by police. He has been charged with disorderly conduct.

The incident occurred around 11:40 a.m. Wednesday.

Shenandoah County Sheriff's Office Major Scott Proctor says Johnson was trying to bring attention to how easy it was to do what he did.

No one was injured.

The school has sent a letter home with students explaining the incident.

Proctor says resource officers are assigned to all the schools within the county and that the department will reevaluate school safety measures following last week's shooting in Connecticut.

Johnson is being held without bond and will be mentally evaluated.


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:16 pm

Wayne LaPierre is fuckin' bat shit crazy INSANE
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:32 pm

fyi, this is supposedly the audio from the police radios.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc

concerning the 2nd gunman, some are saying he was Chris Manfredonia who is atheletic director at a near by school. he has a daughter at sandy hook.
his story does sound a bit peculiar, but possible. his comment about hearing shots and smelling sulfur sounds contrived to me, but again possible.
others say the police ran a check about 10 minutes into the above recording on a Christopher A. Rodia, a local petty criminal.
http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2_5/comments/39302/

there is also a nearby registered sex offender matching that name but he is listed with a 1962 birthdate.
http://www.offendex.com/citydirectory/PA/Brookhaven/Christopher_Anthony_Rodia_550159

considering the amount of killing done in such a shot time a second shooter seems likely to me.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby crikkett » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:04 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:Because he is a Typical Conspiracy Nut Posting From His Mother's Basement?


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:13 pm

also, "laura phelps/jennifer greenberg" showed up a few years back on a blog page(though i have no idea if it is real, her link from it is dead).
http://megduerksen.typepad.com/whatever ... laura.html

this is from my earlier post about the phelps couple who spoke with cnn.

for some reason in the past 2 days the blogger chose to delete her previous post about meeting the phelps family(nick and laura).
i have no idea why she would but her archive from july 1,2,and3, 2010 has been deleted.
it was a very nice story with many excellent photos of laura phelps and her family. why she doesn't want people to view the page
i don't know but i find it suspicious.
perhaps she just wanted to avoid any association with the newtown shooting.
btw, the blogger, meg duerksen lives in Newton, Ka

edit: i found a copy on the wayback machine.
nick and laura are a lovely couple.(another btw, nick has a sister named michelle weiss who lives in Aurora, OR.)
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby justdrew » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:41 pm

compared2what? wrote:Not sure if some other reference to it has been posted, but...

SOUTHBURY, Conn. — At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza had trouble relating to fellow students and teachers, but that was only part of his problem. He seemed not to feel physical or emotional pain in the same way as classmates.

Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly "had some disabilities."

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Novia told The Associated Press in a phone interview. "It was my job to pay close attention to that.


...if he was congenitally insensitive to pain, he probably would have died before the age of three if he hadn't had his every move controlled.

...

That could maybe explain a lot, actually. It's a weird rare genetic condition. Or it can be, anyway. I don't know barely anything about it besides that, though.

Well. According to The Atlantic Wire:

People with congenital insensitivity mainly experience problems with self-inflicted injuries, but they also sometimes struggle with emotional regulation. The U.S. National Library of Medicine explains:

Unintentional self-injury is common in people with CIPA, typically by biting the tongue, lips, or fingers, which may lead to spontaneous amputation of the affected area. In addition, people with CIPA heal slowly from skin and bone injuries ... About half of people with CIPA show signs of hyperactivity or emotional instability, and many affected individuals have intellectual disability.

Certain studies suggest that people who can't feel pain may empathize with others differently than people with normal pain thresholds. A team of French researchers led by Nicolas Danziger of Pitie-Salpetriere Hospital recently studied this phenomenon using brain-imaging technology, seeking to answer a simple question: Can someone empathize with another's pain when they've never felt it themselves?

To find out, they separated subjects into two groups—one comprised of people who feel normal amounts of pain, and another made of people with congenital insensitivity to pain. They hooked up subjects to functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) machines and asked them to look at pictures of people caught in painful situations. They found that while CIP subjects had lower brain activity in the visual regions, midline brain structures lit up visibly in members of both groups. They concluded that CIP patients have a hard time with mirror matching—empathizing with others based on past experiences. But many could still empathize through perspective taking, a "means for understanding others’emotions in a more reflective way."


But it looks like there are other studies contradicting that one on PubMed. So I wouldn't take it to the bank.


wow, that's a surprise.

I knew someone with that condition a long time ago.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:10 pm

The Most Revolting Press Conference In History 1December 21, 2012by James Schlarmann


Wayne LaPierre is either the most comically evil or comically stupid person on the face of the Earth. A week ago today, twenty kindergartners and six adults whose job it was to protect those children were mowed down by a man carrying weaponry that no citizen has any rightful purpose to own. For the last week, LaPierre’s group, The National Rifle Association, has remained silent. They pulled their Facebook page down and their twitter account did not send out any “Yay Guns!” tweets. Then a couple of days ago they broke their silence and said they were holding a major press conference today, which I just watched, and now I find myself furiously pounding away at the keys, trying to hold together the outright rage I feel inside for LaPierre and his organization.
So why did the NRA wait for an entire week to speak out on the terrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut? Were they going through a period of intense reflection over at the NRA? Remember, this is the group that has force-fed the public nothing but pro-gun fear mongering about how President Obama was going to take their guns away (he actually only signed two pieces of gun legislation in his first term, both of them expanding the list of areas it was permissible by Federal law to carry a firearm). This is the group that held a convention just over a week after the massacre in Columbine in 1999, a conference that produced the now infamous Chuck Heston sound byte, encouraging people to pry his gun out of his “cold, dead hands.” If you were expecting some kind of rational and cogent concession that their actions in the last thirty years especially have helped create a hyper-obsessed gun culture that has helped lead to an epidemic of mass shootings in this country, you can keep waiting forever. LaPierre’s audacity knows no bounds, apparently. The NRA’s big solution to gun violence in schools?
Armed guards. On our playgrounds.
First he needed to excoriate the media of course for their ignorance in gun specifications. It’s the go-to NRA rhetoric. “See how dumb these non-gun loving people are? They don’t even know that this gun is actually semi-automatic, and isn’t anything like BLAH BLAH BLAH.” Then LaPierre decided to inform us all it is all the media’s fault for demonizing gun owners. It’s certainly not the fault of the mother who knew she had an unstable son and decided to buy military-style firearms anyway. No, of course not. It’s the media’s fault.
Every American should be shocked and appalled that this was the great NRA’s suggestion. It takes a special kind of evil or stupid to suggest not a week after twenty children less than ten years old were viciously gunned down that the reason it happened was a lack of armed guards at our elementary schools. The irony of a group that’s run by a bunch of NeoConservative neanderthals who belch out platitudes about freedom while un-ironically insisting the only way to protect our children is to turn our schools into prison camps with armed guards is simply too delectable to not savor just a tiny bit.
But the humor of the moment dies down as soon as you realize that not only did the NRA not learn anything last Friday, or from the subsequent outpouring of sorrow and grief over the tragedy, they’re doubling-down on their obsession with and promotion of guns. Just stop and think for a moment. In Wayne LaPierre and the NRA’s minds, it is more acceptable to turn our schools into armed facilities than it is to tell Americans we have to temper a Constitutional right with prudence. Rather than ask gun nuts to relinquish their assault rifles, which no non-combat civilian has any logical reason to own, it’s better to put yet another gun in our children’s lives.
It is downright criminal to suggest such a thing. To add further insult to injury, there was not even a mention of mental health reform. They didn’t even use the shiny object technique and say “Look, we’re going to spend our considerable resources helping to shore up our country’s failing mental health facilities.” It’s the fucking least they could do, right? If they’re going to create a gun culture, they should be willing to do what it takes to ensure we keep guns away from dangerous people. But that’s not their solution.
Their solution is to simply put another dangerous firearm next to your sons and daughters, on a daily basis. What kind of message is the NRA sending the American people? I’ll tell you what kind of message they’re sending. The profit margins of the corporations they represent are more important than your children not growing up with armed guards in their schools. That is not a conducive learning environment, to the say the very least. “Johnny, please stop staring at the hulking man with a semi-automatic firearm at the front of the class and tell me who’s buried in Grant’s Tomb.”
No sane or rationally thinking adult should agree to this atrocious idea. Our country was not founded on the idea that our need for firearms supersedes our children’s need to learn in a conducive, safe environment. That is just not an acceptable solution to the problem. I can entertain the notion of mental health reforms being a big focus of resources, but I will not now, nor will I ever in the future support the further infiltration of gun culture into our kids’ lives by planting armed guards at our schools.
The statement it would make about our country is one that we should all be ashamed to declare. We would be telling the world that we’d rather be able to own a weapon that fires hundreds of rounds a minute and carries thirty rounds in the clip at a time than to have our young ones go to school in a zone free of weapons entirely. We pay police officers and other first responders for the task of protecting our schools. The answer, Mr. LaPierre, is not to turn us into a country whose schools look like old Third Reich stalags.

Is this the face Mr. LaPierre wants to greet your kids at school every morning?
No, Mr. LaPierre, I do not accept your suggestion. I do not accept your premise that this massacre has anything to do with how the media talks about guns and their specs. I do not accept your notion that we should treat schools like we treat the White House. We offer the President and Vice-President and their families Secret Service protection because we assume that bad people are out there planning to do harm to the president. But as far as I can tell, the only one whose willing to inflict more damage on our children’s safety and well-being is you.
I will do everything in my power to stop this terrible idea from picking up momentum. I will not sit back and watch my children’s lives be infiltrated with gun culture in their places of learning. The National Rifle Association and Wayne LaPierre need to be taken down several pegs. The American people need to send a very clear message to that group of barbarians that we will not ask our children to sacrifice their innocence so that Bushmaster, Colt, or Smith & Wesson can enjoy higher profits and further pervade our way of life.
Basically, I’m saying this:
Fuck you, Wayne LaPierre. You can put armed guards on my kids’ school yard over my cold, dead body.
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby justdrew » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Hi I'm an armed guard. my job is to stand around and do nothing 99.999999999% of the time (most of us 100% of the time). If an attacker appears, I'll be the first killed.


just imagine the cost.

I'm not that hopeful that we'll get any good gun control. What we need is I think:

treat guns like cars.

1. a license has to be earned and kept up to date.

2. each gun needs it's own insurance.




4 killed in PA shooting incident while NRA press conference was happening in DC —
In Pennsylvania this morning four people were shot dead and multiple law enforcement agents were injured, in a mass shooting event that occurred during the same time as an NRA press conference was taking place at the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC

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http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/sources-1-trooper-shot-another-injured-blair-co/nTcf5/

The Blair County district attorney said that four people, including the alleged gunman, are dead after a series of shootings along a rural road on Friday.

The district attorney said the victims are one woman and three men, including the gunman.

Three Pennsylvania state troopers were injured. One was shot in the chest and had a bulletproof vest on; one was injured in a crash; and one was injured by flying debris. All three troopers are expected to be OK.

The scene covers several miles and happened on Juniata Valley Road just outside Geeseytown.

Courtney Brennan of WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh reported that the suspected gunman was “mobile” at one point and went up and down a rural road and shot victims.
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby dbcooper41 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:34 pm

...if he was congenitally insensitive to pain, he probably would have died before the age of three if he hadn't had his every move controlled.


would extreme dissociation also appear to be an insensitivity to pain?
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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:38 pm

dbcooper41 wrote:
...if he was congenitally insensitive to pain, he probably would have died before the age of three if he hadn't had his every move controlled.


would extreme dissociation also appear to be an insensitivity to pain?


I think so. Or anyway, I don't see why it wouldn't.

It sounds like it was permanent, though:

Family friend Adriani said Adam Lanza also had an unusual condition where he didn’t feel physical pain. “If he were to cut himself or even if he fell down or if he injured himself he wouldn’t necessarily know how severe it was because usually the pain is, oh something’s wrong. So if he cut himself he wouldn’t even necessarily know it,” she said.


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Re: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

Postby Grizzly » Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 pm

Footage of man being chased behind the elementary school. "Camouflage pants".



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