Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[Elihu]

declined to specify where the body would be buried. Not surprising, in a practical sense, but it ties right in with the no-plane approach.

yeah. i especially liked (in this hi-rez color age) the prime-time-coast-to-coast greyscale troglodyte mugshot of the goldstein responsible for this outrage.

to birth a near religion of quasi-solipsistic X-treme media skepticism in which anything which you have not touched with your own hands is a construct of the system of media control......I think they've gone overboard,

so are you onboard or overboard? what's to be gained from arguing the relative merits of the offical story?

while it certainly pays to be skeptical of what you see on teevee,....I suspect it means something, sociologically, but just what, I don't know.

that we're arguing about teev-vee and we'll never know and no one of any consequence can or will ever get to the bottom of anything, deductively. but legislation will pass on the crest of hysteria and outrage. drawing any inferences? barry publicly shed tears. i'm sure he privately does the same over each classified situation room video feed where drone strikes incinerate unsuspecting toddlers. it's not perfect! it's not effective! it's not even relevant! but at least something is being done. thank God. now i can sleep....

[barracuda]

what's to be gained from arguing the relative merits of the offical story?

What is the official story? At least with regard to motivation, there doesn't seem to be one. At all.

but legislation will pass on the crest of hysteria and outrage. drawing any inferences?

Ha. Gun ownership is one of the many third rails of American politics. Don't worry about your guns, Elihu, just hug them a little tighter when you tuck them in at nighty-night.

[Elihu]

At least with regard to motivation, there doesn't seem to be one. At all.

speaks volumes imho.

Ha. Gun ownership is one of the many third rails of American politics.

as are the lone-nut case closed mass shootings it would seem...

Don't worry about your guns, Elihu, just hug them a little tighter when you tuck them in at nighty-night.

which is something orwellian i was hoping to address. he said that corruption of language equates to corruption of thought. you see, guns are inanimate objects. the idea of legislation purporting to control inanimate objects is therefore idiocy, carefully crafted to conceal legislation specifically designed to control people...

[barracuda]

speaks volumes imho.

I agree, but for reasons that may bear little resemblance to your own.

the idea of legislation purporting to control inanimate objects is therefore idiocy, carefully crafted to conceal legislation specifically designed to control people...

Yeah, well, all those fucking guns ain't gonna shoot by themselves, are they?

[justdrew]

yep, same as laws preventing dumping toxic waste in rivers, it's not really outlawing the dumping or the toxins, it's about controlling what people do. same as virtually any law. Are you of the view that all laws are inherently wrong and we should just give up on living by a system of laws?

[Elihu]

Yeah, well, all those ... guns ain't gonna shoot by themselves, are they?

accident, intention, or some combination are the only things that make guns go off. we can pretend that some laws will make that go away. or we could press for verifiable investigation of crimes...

same as laws preventing dumping toxic waste in rivers, it's not really outlawing the dumping or the toxins, it's about controlling what people do. same as virtually any law. Are you of the view that all laws are inherently wrong and we should just give up on living by a system of laws?

no, i'm of the view that something less than 100% of possible human behavior is susceptible to control by laws. the difference is qualitative and extremely important. failure to distinguish is worse than the ills purported to be averted.

[justdrew]

Yeah, well, all those ... guns ain't gonna shoot by themselves, are they?

accident, intention, or some combination are the only things that make guns go off. we can pretend that some laws will make that go away. or we could press for verifiable investigation of crimes...

same as laws preventing dumping toxic waste in rivers, it's not really outlawing the dumping or the toxins, it's about controlling what people do. same as virtually any law. Are you of the view that all laws are inherently wrong and we should just give up on living by a system of laws?

no, i'm of the view that something less than 100% of possible human behavior is susceptible to control by laws. the difference is qualitative and extremely important. failure to distinguish is worse than the ills purported to be averted.

but the US has not seriously attempted to disarm people in afganistan or iraq, I think it's unlikely and pointless to here. Laws limiting some types of weapons, particularly military style man-killer arms, I don't see a huge problem with making them MORE RARE via a number of controls. I just don't think it's remotely likely that this is leading to any thing that would go any where near 'disarming the American people' or any other hot-button control phrase endlessly repeated by some in the media.

[lupercal]

^ Elihu if you're worried about gun control in the US I really think you can put your mind at rest. At most we'll get a weak-sauce revival of the assault weapons ban that lapsed in 2004, sponsored as in 1994 by Diane Feinstein, who got her break when George Moscone was gunned down in San Francisco in 1978, making her mayor of SF from which she rose to US Senator. So don't expect her to look that gift horse in the mouth. It's not a Barry priority either, not even close, and I seriously doubt that he signed off on this or Aurora. Right now I suspect Sandy Hook is Benghazi part II with benefits to the US small arms industry, which here at least is what mass shootings are usually about.

but the only beneficiaries are gun makers and gun sellers

Very true, just like Halliburton and Exxon were beneficiaries of 911, and as in that case, there are also local political considerations, which we can only guess at, and a general benefit to the state security apparatus and popular perceptions required to keep it funded.

I'm afraid the real deal here is that it tells us nothing about anything, it's a rare event, that happens sometimes. Such a disaster.

I'm not sure what it tells us either, but reading the tea leaves is what RI is all about. As for rarity, well, not hardly. Here are the mass shootings just for the second half of this year, the worst for such events in the last 30 years in terms of number of victims according to a recent Mother Jones analysis. Here's a list from the blog I linked to earlier today:

* July 20th 2012 – Aurora Massacre - James Egan Holmes (suspect) – theater

* Aug 5th 2012 – Sikh Temple Massacre – Wade Michael Page – church

* Sept 27th 2012 – Accent Signage Systems – Andrew J. Engeldinger – work place

* Dec 11th 2012 – Clackamas Town Center – Jacob Tyler Roberts – mall

* Dec 14th 2012 - Sandy Hook Massacre – Adam Lanza – school

* Dec. 24th 2012 – Webster New York shooting – ? – first responders

link: http://www.brendanhunt.com/

It's hard to imagine that 2013 will be any better.

[thatsmystory]

The Shock Doctrine posits that governments take advantage of tragedies. I don't understand why it's always MIHOP or bust with some whenever there is a tragedy.

[JackRiddler]

I seriously doubt that [Obama] signed off on [Newtown] or Aurora.

Your formula seems to be that any proposition you come up with is proven if there is a complete absence of evidence or reasoning behind it. So Obama is at least as implicated as the traffic-stop guy whose name (in your head) "sounds like" someone else's entirely different name.

I followed both ATS and GLP threads for a while after the massacre, and it seemed like there was an immediate attempt to muddy the waters by the whole 'no children died' line. This is more than muddying, it's poisoning the water, and if intentional, an extremely clever way to make sure that the whole topic of inconsistencies--and, primarily, how the f-- this dude managed to carry it out alone and wiht no wounded--will be politely ignored and anyone who questions it will be treated like a pariah. Reminds me of the whole 'no plane hit the Pentagon thing', which experienced conspiracy-sniffers just a few days after 9-11 warned was an attempt to discredit conspiracy theories of all types (later, also, the whole thing about no planes used on the towers and etc.).

The most convincing explanation I've heard for the phenomenon is that the "no planes" hoax was part of the control valves created by the planners or the government spin doctors of the 911 attacks, which makes sense considering that quite a bit of the speculation along those lines originally arose from the public statements of Donald Rumsfeld.

There's a site - "September Clues," if you're interested - which is a fairly large community (over 1300 members) of individuals who are convinced that most large news stories such as this are simply a combination of video fakery, hired psyop actors, simulations, and photoshop manipulation of images. If a poster on that forum evidences any apprehension that a story under discussion might contain elements that are tied to something in the real world, they are quickly banned. If this worldview reminds you of the "no-planers", it's because the skill-set required to maintain the perspective that everything is a fake was collected and codified by the same group that started the 911 video fakery lifestyle. It's almost as if the shock of 911 inbred with over-viewings of the Matrix trilogy to birth a near religion of quasi-solipsistic X-treme media skepticism in which anything which you have not touched with your own hands is a construct of the system of media control. And while it certainly pays to be skeptical of what you see on teevee, I think they've gone overboard, and it seems that with each new massacre the idea seems to be spreading that none of it is real. I suspect it means something, sociologically, but just what, I don't know.

Anyway, there's a huge 30 page thread on the Sandy Hook shootings over there, if you have the stomach for it. It's actually kind of shockingly callous, but I think there's a degree of sincerity about their beliefs that can't be denied. There are true believers in their midst, no question.

1300 members does not mean 1300 people, of course. They could be products of persona management software.* "No planes" with its direct implications of fake victims, fake family members, fake witnesses on the ground and fake pre-planted 9/11 skeptics is one of the most obvious COINTELPRO-type ideas to have been generated around 9/11. Confusionism cubed. It represents not just a muddying or a poison pill but a direct threat and attack on those who are most vulnerable and who have the most reason to question the official story. The handful of personnel who propagated the idea were pretty obvious in their constant disruptive activities. They organized a group of useful followers, but not many were needed to make it seem important; what makes it "important" is the an equally constant reaction from the official "skeptics." Keeping it alive through new iterations for every subsequent traumatic event maintains an easy target for the selective skeptics to hit and pretend they've refuted every form of questioning official stories. The relationship is symbiotic. I submit that this religion or sociological phenomenon you see is extremely limited and survives only thanks to conscious disinformation work.

* - Thanks to the Internet, fake "no-planers" to discredit the truth movement would be about a billion times easier to effect than their own proposed scenarios of planted fields of rubble, video insertions of planes, a bomb and planted airplane parts at the Pentagon, actors playing rescue workers and grieving relatives, plus the grand synthesis of the usual cast of unnecessary entities like living hijackers, voice-morphed phone calls, "harley guy," 39 demolition scenarios from built-with-bombs to space-based laser weapons, the idea that all 9/11 skeptics other than themselves were arranged in advance by Them, and, really the worst part, a conspiracy requiring a cast of thousands, almost none of whom would have a motive, etc. etc. I remember a conversation with one no-planes believer (surely a follower), when I said arranging the plot on the US side would have required as few as a dozen and no more than a hundred witting participants with a few of them as fanatic believers in the justice of it and the rest Just Following Orders or owned by blackmail; whereupon he incredulously replied that there must have been one hundred thousand people involved knowingly in the 9/11 operation!

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[elfismiles]

Conspiracy site effects school closure over potential school shootings:

http://revelationnow.net/2012/12/16/bat ... onnection/
http://revelationnow.net/2012/12/18/the ... re-target/
http://revelationnow.net/2012/12/21/mur ... e-heavens/
http://revelationnow.net/2013/01/01/nar ... man-movie/

Online article forces Giles County officials, police to cancel school on Wednesday
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-giles-c ... 4631.story

WDBJ7

2:51 p.m. EST, January 1, 2013
GILES COUNTY, Va., —
On Wednesday, most students will head back to school but not those in Giles County. They were suppose to return to class but school was canceled after an online article raised concerns about safety.

The article is entitled: The Next School Massacre Target?". It's posted on a website that caters to conspiracy theories and UFOs.

"We have to take this as serious information," says Giles County Sheriff Morgan Millirons.

The article connects the Colorado movie theater shooting to last month's shooting in Connecticut and then to Narrows.

The author uses a scene in the latest Batman movie that shows a map of attack sites. One is called Sandy Hook, the other is Narrows. The author writes that it's plausible schools in Narrows, Virginia might be in danger.

"We just want to emphasize that no threat has been made to any school system here in Giles County," says Sheriff Millirons.

But police aren't taking any chances. On Tuesday, police issued a reverse 911 call to parents about the article.

Sheriff Millirons says his office has received many calls.

"If I was a parent and did not know about this I would be upset and you can't blame a parent for being upset," says Sheriff Millirons.

Giles County canceled school on Wednesday. Instead it will a teacher work day. But there will be plenty of police.

"The Sheriff's gonna be at a school," says Chief Bentley Ratcliffe of the Narrows Police Department, "We have some of our investigators, I'll be at one of the schools and we're gonna brief all the teachers and staff. "

When students return on Thursday, there will be extra patrols around all five schools in Giles County.
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Information posted on a website and found by Virginia State State Police have led Giles County Public Schools officials to cancel classes for tomorrow.

In a letter posted on the school division website from superintendent, Dr. Terry Arbogast, it explained that the website Revelation Now.net discussed the recent school shooting in Connecticut.

Also on that website was a map from the Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises.

The map showed two different zones from the movie, Sandy Hook and Narrows here in Virginia.

The author behind the article did a search for Narrows Schools, which then led to three schools in Narrows being displayed.

No specific threats have been made against any school within the county.


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‘Batman’ threat closes Virginia school (VIDEO)
Posted on: 7:02 am, January 2, 2013, by Chris Westfall, updated on: 08:46am, January 2, 2013
http://wtvr.com/2013/01/02/batman-threa ... ia-school/

GILES COUNTY, Va. (WDBJ7.com) – On Wednesday, most students will head back to school but not those in Giles County. They were suppose to return to class but school was canceled after an online article raised concerns about safety.

The article is entitled: The Next School Massacre Target?” It’s posted on a website that caters to conspiracy theories and UFOs.

“We have to take this as serious information,” says Giles County Sheriff Morgan Millirons.

The article connects the Colorado movie theater shooting to last month’s shooting in Connecticut and then to Narrows, Va.

The author uses a scene in the latest Batman movie that shows a map of attack sites. One is called Sandy Hook, the other is Narrows. The author writes that it’s plausible schools in Narrows, Virginia might be in danger.

“We just want to emphasize that no threat has been made to any school system here in Giles County,” says Sheriff Millirons.



http://wtvr.com/2013/01/02/batman-threa ... ia-school/
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-giles-c ... 4631.story

[82_28]

They were suppose to return to class but school was canceled after an online article raised concerns about safety.

That's another one for that comprehension of text thread. You see the "suppose" instead of supposed all the time. Esp in southern US texting dialect. I have friends from Mississippi and they do this all the time. Or used "use" to, haven't talked to them in a few years.

Alright. Back to topic.

[compared2what?]

you see, guns are inanimate objects. the idea of legislation purporting to control inanimate objects is therefore idiocy,

Well. If you're going to insist on that level of literal precision...

carefully crafted to conceal legislation specifically designed to control people...

...legislation can't control people either.

[Nordic]

I have Lupercal on ignore, makes this site more tolerable. He's the only person on which I use that function at the moment. I recommend it.

[brainpanhandler]

I followed both ATS and GLP threads for a while after the massacre, and it seemed like there was an immediate attempt to muddy the waters by the whole 'no children died' line. This is more than muddying, it's poisoning the water, and if intentional, an extremely clever way to make sure that the whole topic of inconsistencies--and, primarily, how the f-- this dude managed to carry it out alone and wiht no wounded--will be politely ignored and anyone who questions it will be treated like a pariah. Reminds me of the whole 'no plane hit the Pentagon thing', which experienced conspiracy-sniffers just a few days after 9-11 warned was an attempt to discredit conspiracy theories of all types (later, also, the whole thing about no planes used on the towers and etc.).

The most convincing explanation I've heard for the phenomenon is that the "no planes" hoax was part of the control valves created by the planners or the government spin doctors of the 911 attacks, which makes sense considering that quite a bit of the speculation along those lines originally arose from the public statements of Donald Rumsfeld.

There's a site - "September Clues," if you're interested - which is a fairly large community (over 1300 members) of individuals who are convinced that most large news stories such as this are simply a combination of video fakery, hired psyop actors, simulations, and photoshop manipulation of images. If a poster on that forum evidences any apprehension that a story under discussion might contain elements that are tied to something in the real world, they are quickly banned. If this worldview reminds you of the "no-planers", it's because the skill-set required to maintain the perspective that everything is a fake was collected and codified by the same group that started the 911 video fakery lifestyle. It's almost as if the shock of 911 inbred with over-viewings of the Matrix trilogy to birth a near religion of quasi-solipsistic X-treme media skepticism in which anything which you have not touched with your own hands is a construct of the system of media control. And while it certainly pays to be skeptical of what you see on teevee, I think they've gone overboard, and it seems that with each new massacre the idea seems to be spreading that none of it is real. I suspect it means something, sociologically, but just what, I don't know.

Anyway, there's a huge 30 page thread on the Sandy Hook shootings over there, if you have the stomach for it. It's actually kind of shockingly callous, but I think there's a degree of sincerity about their beliefs that can't be denied. There are true believers in their midst, no question.

1300 members does not mean 1300 people, of course. They could be products of persona management software.* "No planes" with its direct implications of fake victims, fake family members, fake witnesses on the ground and fake pre-planted 9/11 skeptics is one of the most obvious COINTELPRO-type ideas to have been generated around 9/11. Confusionism cubed. It represents not just a muddying or a poison pill but a direct threat and attack on those who are most vulnerable and who have the most reason to question the official story. The handful of personnel who propagated the idea were pretty obvious in their constant disruptive activities. They organized a group of useful followers, but not many were needed to make it seem important; what makes it "important" is the an equally constant reaction from the official "skeptics." Keeping it alive through new iterations for every subsequent traumatic event maintains an easy target for the selective skeptics to hit and pretend they've refuted every form of questioning official stories. The relationship is symbiotic. I submit that this religion or sociological phenomenon you see is extremely limited and survives only thanks to conscious disinformation work.

* - Thanks to the Internet, fake "no-planers" to discredit the truth movement would be about a billion times easier to effect than their own proposed scenarios of planted fields of rubble, video insertions of planes, a bomb and planted airplane parts at the Pentagon, actors playing rescue workers and grieving relatives, plus the grand synthesis of the usual cast of unnecessary entities like living hijackers, voice-morphed phone calls, "harley guy," 39 demolition scenarios from built-with-bombs to space-based laser weapons, the idea that all 9/11 skeptics other than themselves were arranged in advance by Them, and, really the worst part, a conspiracy requiring a cast of thousands, almost none of whom would have a motive, etc. etc. I remember a conversation with one no-planes believer (surely a follower), when I said arranging the plot on the US side would have required as few as a dozen and no more than a hundred witting participants with a few of them as fanatic believers in the justice of it and the rest Just Following Orders or owned by blackmail; whereupon he incredulously replied that there must have been one hundred thousand people involved knowingly in the 9/11 operation!

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Thank you all three of you for this food for thought. I'll need to wash that down with some more irish coffee.