Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[Nordic]

The details don't really matter here. They are designed to be argued over.

What matters is that the media/government is coming out with a Big Offensive Conspiracy Theory, then having their favorite propaganda network, CNN, and their own little pretty CIA boy, Anderson Cooper, shred said Conspiracy Theory.

This is obviously what they WISHED they had done right after 9/11, but didn't.

So they are doing it now.

Which means that there is something extremely fishy and stinky about the Sandy Hook thing.

What, I have no idea. The waters were muddied from the very beginning. Kinda like 9/11 in that regard.

I can make no case as to the particulars because we're not supposed to know the particulars. The particulars don't matter. What is clear is that we're being mind-fucked yet again.

[compared2what?]

But I've always thought of his Katrina reportage as an indication that he actually probably couldn't participate in a cruel and ugly charade if he saw that's what it was.

I mean, a lot of people were doing that. And everybody might never have done anything else if he hadn't.

I know that's not everything. Far from it, But it's not nothing either.

OK, but then he limits his understanding of cruel and ugly participation to individual events, rather than participation within a system. Because he's fine with that, despite being as ignorant and gullible as most of his fellow travelers. To his credit, he will say when he's been duped under certain circumstances (the Tillman case comes to mind).

I don't know whether he limits his understanding or it limits him, but otherwise: Agree 100 percent. Very limited. Noting for the sake of it that possibly there's a particular kind of public trust he doesn't like to see breached, a la Tillman and Katrina, on the grounds that if true, it may someday be useful to know.

I don't know...Cooper, after all, is a Vanderbilt with a CIA background. I think his coverage of Katrina served to gain the trust of the people.

I'm glad you mentioned that. For some reason, it seemed like too much detail. But there's no doubt that's what made him a star. At all. The only question is whether or not that's something he could reasonably have anticipated. And that's just an impossible question. For me, anyway. I can see a pretty persuasive case for answering it either way.

But enough about me him me urgh.

[barracuda]

The details don't really matter here. They are designed to be argued over.

What matters is that the media/government is coming out with a Big Offensive Conspiracy Theory, then having their favorite propaganda network, CNN, and their own little pretty CIA boy, Anderson Cooper, shred said Conspiracy Theory.

This is obviously what they WISHED they had done right after 9/11, but didn't.

So they are doing it now.

Which means that there is something extremely fishy and stinky about the Sandy Hook thing.

What, I have no idea. The waters were muddied from the very beginning. Kinda like 9/11 in that regard.

I can make no case as to the particulars because we're not supposed to know the particulars. The particulars don't matter. What is clear is that we're being mind-fucked yet again.

I don't know, man. It's hard to blame a "they" in this one. This is at least partly our fault. We have to own this one. This is the result of the Vigilant Citizening of the country. The Infowar.com blowback. Conspiratards run amok. A bunch of people who for years have been fed positive reinforcement that they have the inside track on paranoia for the sake of page hits, til the idea of actually doing research has become entirely irrelevant. And we're part of it. We're just a tiny corner of the web, but it's us, too. We've opened ourselves up to this.

Yeah, the powers that be can share the shame. They've done the dirty deeds, double and triple-crossed us, held out on us, and created the culture of secrecy that's lead us to this point. They're the bad actors here, the antagonists, killers.

But the harassment of Gene Rosen, the death threats to Chris Rodia, the takeover of the Emilie Parker memorial Facebook page - these are the signs of the conspiracy subculture eating itself, starting at the brain and working its way down. I'm sure the real "they" is loving it.

Maybe there's a way to trace this kind of activity back to the gun lobby, like c2w has written about on the other thread. But TEH UNADULTERATED STUPID here has all the earmarks of the true believers. It's pure thermite. And we're the enablers.

[geogeo]

Well I'm okay with this as long as it's just Anderson Cooper, Alex Jones, and etc. Religions are mostly idiocy as well but they are allowed to spew their filth even on TV. I will begin to get worried if it starts to spread to a general "conspiracy theory not okay" out there in the whateversphere. Then it will seem a lot more like inoculation--against the 50th anniversary, against 'September Morn", and even against some possibly new, massive false flag, the one we've been dreading for over 11 years. If I were French I'd be even more worried now that according to the MSM France has provoked the wrath of "Al Qaeda in Northern Mali and Across the Whole Sahara" (A.Q.N.M.A.W.S) or whatever they're calling the pole-vaulters these days (subsequent to a shadowy coup last year and US special forces in the region for like 10 years, hmmm.) Is the new Afghanistan is going to need a 9-11?

[8bitagent]

Well I'm okay with this as long as it's just Anderson Cooper, Alex Jones, and etc. Religions are mostly idiocy as well but they are allowed to spew their filth even on TV. I will begin to get worried if it starts to spread to a general "conspiracy theory not okay" out there in the whateversphere. Then it will seem a lot more like inoculation--against the 50th anniversary, against 'September Morn", and even against some possibly new, massive false flag, the one we've been dreading for over 11 years. If I were French I'd be even more worried now that according to the MSM France has provoked the wrath of "Al Qaeda in Northern Mali and Across the Whole Sahara" (A.Q.N.M.A.W.S) or whatever they're calling the pole-vaulters these days (subsequent to a shadowy coup last year and US special forces in the region for like 10 years, hmmm.) Is the new Afghanistan is going to need a 9-11?

Yeah while Spain and London had their "9/11", France(other than 90's Algerian subway blasts) never had there's. I remember Germany was suppose to have one on September 7th 2007, but it was stopped for some reason. Perhaps there are good cops who don't follow the script. I just assumed "it" had moved onto far right neo Nazi terrorists(Oslo) I guess not.

Weird how France is really going all out in their Africa fetish once again. They still need to answer for Rwanda

[JackRiddler]

And we're part of it. We're just a tiny corner of the web, but it's us, too. We've opened ourselves up to this.

Agreeing with your comments, obviously (if you've read any of mine), but don't give me this we. RI is a forum. I've been fighting this bullshit online, in political groups and with hundreds of people in real life since before LC1, "The Pod," "In Plane Site" and the rest of the junk started fucking up the original 9/11 truth movement. So have a lot of other people, including Jeff.

Also, don't imply this could possibly work without the symbiotic process. Out of literally millions of opinions in the world the corporate media, experts and authorities choose what they focus on, how they pitch it, if they turn it into a general witch-hunt on heretical thought of completely unrelated kinds ("conspiracy theory"), if they're going to bother to research a case, etc. etc. Thus Alex Jones is made into the "leader of 9/11 truth" and no one knows Nafeez or Paul T. As for witchhunts pretty soon Conspiracy Theorists (I'm ironically adopting the capital letters) will be among the phenomena blamed for creating the shooter's violent mindset (or his mother's).

Another media factor: Prior to Internet, people who appeared by name on TV for any reason would very frequently get harrassment, crank mail and calls, death threats and love stalkers, etc. Hardly limited to celebrities. The amount of this may not be greater now than before. Just now you hear about it, and people have a public (and also often anonymous) outlet. (As they should. We need to stand by First Amendment absolutism.)

Interestingly, the style has degenerated to previously unknown lows. With the 9/11 shit there was a pretense to doing research, hours of incredibly faulty but focused analysis. Now it's been shorn of that. If any agency of government says something, if the TV reports anything, it's not just a lie but not even existent. (That's the extent of the argument some are making here.) But a very important principle remains by which you might separate the operators from the merely sick: the first targets for this manner of harrassment and discouragement are always the victims and others with standing to make demands on investigations.

[compared2what?]

And we're part of it. We're just a tiny corner of the web, but it's us, too. We've opened ourselves up to this.

I've been meaning to mention that although I don't know for certain, I think the odds that your post was what prompted the blogger who came up with the Rodia thing to reconsider and retract are high enough that you might as well go ahead and congratulate yourself on seven dollars well spent. BTW.

Same applies even if I'm wrong about the odds, really. It doesn't make all the difference. But when no single thing can, making any is still a lot.

[compared2what?]

Well I'm okay with this as long as it's just Anderson Cooper, Alex Jones, and etc. Religions are mostly idiocy as well but they are allowed to spew their filth even on TV. I will begin to get worried if it starts to spread to a general "conspiracy theory not okay" out there in the whateversphere. Then it will seem a lot more like inoculation--against the 50th anniversary, against 'September Morn", and even against some possibly new, massive false flag, the one we've been dreading for over 11 years. If I were French I'd be even more worried now that according to the MSM France has provoked the wrath of "Al Qaeda in Northern Mali and Across the Whole Sahara" (A.Q.N.M.A.W.S) or whatever they're calling the pole-vaulters these days (subsequent to a shadowy coup last year and US special forces in the region for like 10 years, hmmm.) Is the new Afghanistan is going to need a 9-11?

I don't really disagree with you, on the stated terms.

But when there's nothing preventing anybody from doing something appealing that endangers the lives of innocent people, it's really just a matter of time before somebody gets killed.

So I cant say I'm okay with it.

[Nordic]

But the harassment of Gene Rosen, the death threats to Chris Rodia, the takeover of the Emilie Parker memorial Facebook page - these are the signs of the conspiracy subculture eating itself, starting at the brain and
working its way down. I'm sure the real "they" is loving it.

But why are you assuming that all those supposed people and their heinous acts are real? Maybe they are actors. Maybe they're artificial internet identities created by government agencies collaborating with the media?

Maybe the actual hoax here is the creation of these stupid conspiracy theories and the agent provocateurs are those who are making the threats and doing the harassment?

Instead of breaking windows and setting fire to cop cars, they're doing this?

We don't know one way or another but we should be open to the very real possibility.

[barracuda]

Jack, thanks for the corrections and amendments to my perhaps overly-generalized statement. I appreciate the distinctions you've made, in every sense, and those of others as well.

compared2what, though I sincerely doubt that's the case, I agree with the notion regarding just exactly what "every little bit" usually does.

[barracuda]

Maybe they're artificial internet identities created by government agencies collaborating with the media?

Maybe the actual hoax here is the creation of these stupid conspiracy theories and the agent provocateurs are those who are making the threats and doing the harassment?

C'mon dude - how many COMPLETE ASSHOLES have you run into in this subculture? How many total dickwads are on the internet at any given moment?

But maybe you're right. Maybe everybody really is really nice, and no real person would ever do something so stupid as question the death of a little girl on a facebook page set up by friends of the family, because real people are nice. Maybe the people publishing the address of Chris Rodia right here on this forum are identity management software personnel. Maybe.

[8bitagent]

Sadly, I've met way too many "conspiracy theorists" that were swimming in the sea of high horses, overt paranoia and confirmation biases. Like, they were
as close minded(or sometimes more) than a mainline liberal or conservative. It's like you couldnt even mention "al Qaeda", or anything not involving CIA agents and fake planes.
And they routinely accused anyone who didnt agree with their crap as being a "possible agent".

I think what Jack was talking about was, before at least with red herrings someone had to do research. Now, one click to a bad youtube conspiracy video, voila...instant expert.
I remember when that poor Lloyd cab driver was painted as "in" on 9/11 by the no planer crowd, or open mocking of victims families by the Loose Change radio stuff regarding the flight calls.
So this "Sandy Hook Never Happened" stuff doesnt surprise me. But, like the no planers, it's one of those low moments.

[Canadian_watcher]

It is so wearying. I have to admit I only read the first 4 posts in this thread, because it seemed to me I could tell where it was going. Maybe I couldn't, and if that's the case I apologize for repeating something someone else has already written. And for certain I do not mean to impugn any previous posters ... this here is a shitstorm and i wouldn't do that to fellow thoughtful, intelligent, conscientious beings.

But I must comment thus:

I've had it.. This is a psychotic merry-go-round and I want off of it. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but my specialty in school was 'alternative history' .. yes it had a feminist bent, but that seemed incidental to the fact that the history I learned was the history of 'other.' Black, disabled, gay, female... poor. Mostly it was the history of the poor, the underclass.

where am I going with this>?

Well... one thing that seems abundantly clear to me today, at 42.. watching the world and reading history still and hearing my daughter through her studies and her wide-eyed youth is that it's the same shit, different day. they've got us where they want us and I'm seriously about ready to just shut the fucking book. I mean, how many decades - how many centuries - do we endure this before we get to the real point???

The real real point (and yes I know how hippie dippie this sounds but it honestly could be real if we had a great enough consensus) but the real point is that this IS a game ... it is an illusion that we are ALL participating in. I've canceled my subscription but until enough people do it all it amounts to is that I don't get the up to date fashions in my mailbox anymore. That's enough for me, honestly since I can't let myself imagine that the rest of the world is going to help me make it a reality anymore. But I sure do wish my kid wasn't going to have to live through this level of disillusionment. She is though. Oh, she certainly is.

Why? Because lattes are delicious and scandal is titilating and the idea of fame is seductive and hero worship is contagious and even if you're hip to the falsity of the American Dream it doesn't mean that you have given up on the idea of American Democracy which whispers to you that all is fair ... all is right in the world as long as A, B and C happen.

We gotta stop thinking that we are only missing A, B or C and realize that we're up to our asses in all of the letters of the alphabet and the one ingredient that is missing is integrity. GodDamn integrity.. it's what makes you NOT do some of the easy bullshit you could do to win a fight or get a few more dollars or get off or feel important when you don't deserve to. Integrity is what allows you to produce goods in your own land even IF it means they are more expensive, and it is what propels you to BUY those goods even it if means you can only have ONE of them rather than two or three. It is what tells you that having three staff is better than having two staff, it is what tells you that your kid needs to learn to lose that baseball game so that he knows what that feels like, it's how it feels to allow your addict kid to go homeless, it is what tells you that you do NOT sell a stock in a pension fund short just because it'll give you returns elsewhere, etc etc.

Anderson Cooper isn't the PROBLEM. the PROBLEM is our collective lack of integrity that we promote these douchebags and then look up to them.

sorry fellas, but that's everyone's fault. Yours and mine, too.

[Canadian_watcher]

Maybe they're artificial internet identities created by government agencies collaborating with the media?

Maybe the actual hoax here is the creation of these stupid conspiracy theories and the agent provocateurs are those who are making the threats and doing the harassment?

C'mon dude - how many COMPLETE ASSHOLES have you run into in this subculture? How many total dickwads are on the internet at any given moment?

But maybe you're right. Maybe everybody really is really nice, and no real person would ever do something so stupid as question the death of a little girl on a facebook page set up by friends of the family, because real people are nice. Maybe the people publishing the address of Chris Rodia right here on this forum are identity management software personnel. Maybe.

I'll tell you my honest answer to your first question: 2.

You and one other psychopath.

You are the only true-blue asshole I've ever run into online Sure - I've met plenty of people who didn't pay their due to me or who beaked off, but YOU are the only asshole who has kept up his snotty, arrogant, bullying, insipid, smarmy, jack-off, kiss assing, lying, ingratiating hyperbolic bullshit for YEARS.

so there you go.

if that proves your point, so be it.. that was likely a part of the plan from the start .. not with ME, per se, but with the whole audience. It's important to the powers that be to have a well spoken asshole in their grip. While I'm at this, I'd like to remind everyone that for all we know this fishy dickface might be living under a bridge somewhere or he might be in an ivory tower. who knows??? he likes to pretend hes' a single father who bikes everywhere and makes 'art' - but I mean seriously, what do you know about this fella?

wake up, people! If you're righteously indignant and have been for years I'd like you to get a handle on the fact that bitching about it on RI has gotten you precisely NOWHERE.

peace.

[8bitagent]

It is so wearying. I have to admit I only read the first 4 posts in this thread, because it seemed to me I could tell where it was going. Maybe I couldn't, and if that's the case I apologize for repeating something someone else has already written. And for certain I do not mean to impugn any previous posters ... this here is a shitstorm and i wouldn't do that to fellow thoughtful, intelligent, conscientious beings.

But I must comment thus:

I've had it.. This is a psychotic merry-go-round and I want off of it. I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but my specialty in school was 'alternative history' .. yes it had a feminist bent, but that seemed incidental to the fact that the history I learned was the history of 'other.' Black, disabled, gay, female... poor. Mostly it was the history of the poor, the underclass.

where am I going with this>?

Well... one thing that seems abundantly clear to me today, at 42.. watching the world and reading history still and hearing my daughter through her studies and her wide-eyed youth is that it's the same shit, different day. they've got us where they want us and I'm seriously about ready to just shut the fucking book. I mean, how many decades - how many centuries - do we endure this before we get to the real point???

The real real point (and yes I know how hippie dippie this sounds but it honestly could be real if we had a great enough consensus) but the real point is that this IS a game ... it is an illusion that we are ALL participating in. I've canceled my subscription but until enough people do it all it amounts to is that I don't get the up to date fashions in my mailbox anymore. That's enough for me, honestly since I can't let myself imagine that the rest of the world is going to help me make it a reality anymore. But I sure do wish my kid wasn't going to have to live through this level of disillusionment. She is though. Oh, she certainly is.

Why? Because lattes are delicious and scandal is titilating and the idea of fame is seductive and hero worship is contagious and even if you're hip to the falsity of the American Dream it doesn't mean that you have given up on the idea of American Democracy which whispers to you that all is fair ... all is right in the world as long as A, B and C happen.

We gotta stop thinking that we are only missing A, B or C and realize that we're up to our asses in all of the letters of the alphabet and the one ingredient that is missing is integrity. GodDamn integrity.. it's what makes you NOT do some of the easy bullshit you could do to win a fight or get a few more dollars or get off or feel important when you don't deserve to. Integrity is what allows you to produce goods in your own land even IF it means they are more expensive, and it is what propels you to BUY those goods even it if means you can only have ONE of them rather than two or three. It is what tells you that having three staff is better than having two staff, it is what tells you that your kid needs to learn to lose that baseball game so that he knows what that feels like, it's how it feels to allow your addict kid to go homeless, it is what tells you that you do NOT sell a stock in a pension fund short just because it'll give you returns elsewhere, etc etc.

Anderson Cooper isn't the PROBLEM. the PROBLEM is our collective lack of integrity that we promote these douchebags and then look up to them.

sorry fellas, but that's everyone's fault. Yours and mine, too.

I can greatly sympathize with your frustration. Even from my lack of real world experience, though my limited prism I can identify a lot of these things.
I spent an hour and a half at a large local pet store with some family, trying to help them choose a cat for adoption. Seeing so many happy families with their young kids interacting with animals, I realized I want that.
Maybe it goes against everything "RI" and "fight the power", but at the end of the day I just want that. A small home, fun intelligent wife, kids, modest work from something creative Im passionate about.
Ignorance is bliss, or "damn this cheeseburger is good and I dont want to know where it came from". But Im not religious, I personally do not believe nor have evidence that there is another life after the 80 years we have on this one. I have no strong political convictions Id die for, let alone get injured over. I just want my happiness, or what I believe is a quaint slice of normalacy.

I realize, yeah...I could wake up one day and US cities are under mushroom clouds, or theres some horrific viral pathogen plague, or this or that. But I realize now maybe its best to just focus on what one loves and live a small modest life. Maybe travel, do art, meet people. I guess Im one of those people thatd rather flee to remote parts of Canada than fight invading US/Chinese/UN/Alien/Zombie invaders.