Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[Canadian_watcher]

I can greatly sympathize with your frustration. Even from my lack of real world experience, though my limited prism I can identify a lot of these things.
I spent an hour and a half at a large local pet store with some family, trying to help them choose a cat for adoption. Seeing so many happy families with their young kids interacting with animals, I realized I want that.
Maybe it goes against everything "RI" and "fight the power", but at the end of the day I just want that. A small home, fun intelligent wife, kids, modest work from something creative Im passionate about.
Ignorance is bliss, or "damn this cheeseburger is good and I dont want to know where it came from". But Im not religious, I personally do not believe nor have evidence that there is another life after the 80 years we have on this one. I have no strong political convictions Id die for, let alone get injured over. I just want my happiness, or what I believe is a quaint slice of normalacy.

I realize, yeah...I could wake up one day and US cities are under mushroom clouds, or theres some horrific viral pathogen plague, or this or that. But I realize now maybe its best to just focus on what one loves and live a small modest life. Maybe travel, do art, meet people. I guess Im one of those people thatd rather flee to remote parts of Canada than fight invading US/Chinese/UN/Alien/Zombie invaders.

Yeah, it's funny because when I wrote what I wrote I didn't really think about it meaning what you took it to mean... I thought about it meaning that there's just no use in trying to convince anyone to live the way I think we should live but that I'd continue on with my ideals in my own private way. .. and I guess that is exactly what you described in your post .. because that's pretty much exactly what I do. ..

I have convictions I would, in fact, die for - although I wouldn't have 5 years ago because my daughter was too young. Funny, that.. does that make me a hypocrite? I would die for them now because I know she could get along without me. Plus, if I knew I were dying.. well I can't tell you exactly what I'd do before I became too disabled but I do have some ideas.

8bit, IMO you should find that fun wife and live a life that involves corn mazes and fingerpainting because in my limited experience raising a wonderful, aware and happy child is THE most productive thing a person can do. I think maybe possibly I gave my girl too big of a conscience.. that wasn't my intention but I was raised by sociopaths so I kind of overcompensated, I think.

hugs to you, 8bit. You are seriously one of the best dudes on this forum - i've always, always thought so. May you be so happy - and may you know the joy of laying your head on the pillow of a family home that you've created a the end of a day that you've made great. It is a sublime pleasure. THE sublime pleasure.

[barracuda]

YOU are the only asshole who has kept up his snotty, arrogant, bullying, insipid, smarmy, jack-off, kiss assing, lying, ingratiating hyperbolic bullshit for YEARS.

I'd like to remind everyone that for all we know this fishy dickface might be living under a bridge somewhere or he might be in an ivory tower. who knows??? he likes to pretend hes' a single father who bikes everywhere and makes 'art' - but I mean seriously, what do you know about this fella?

[justdrew]

Maybe the people publishing the address of Chris Rodia right here on this forum are identity management software personnel. Maybe.

that came from a public page of his hometown newspaper.

feel free to flag it for moderation. I'd be happy to see the post deleted. It's too old to edit/delete.

[DrEvil]

That last graphic is wrong. I give a fuck. This thread is going places.

[compared2what?]

Maybe they're artificial internet identities created by government agencies collaborating with the media?

Maybe the actual hoax here is the creation of these stupid conspiracy theories and the agent provocateurs are those who are making the threats and doing the harassment?

C'mon dude - how many COMPLETE ASSHOLES have you run into in this subculture? How many total dickwads are on the internet at any given moment?

But maybe you're right. Maybe everybody really is really nice, and no real person would ever do something so stupid as question the death of a little girl on a facebook page set up by friends of the family, because real people are nice. Maybe the people publishing the address of Chris Rodia right here on this forum are identity management software personnel. Maybe.

I'll tell you my honest answer to your first question: 2.

You and one other psychopath.

You are the only true-blue asshole I've ever run into online Sure - I've met plenty of people who didn't pay their due to me or who beaked off, but YOU are the only asshole who has kept up his snotty, arrogant, bullying, insipid, smarmy, jack-off, kiss assing, lying, ingratiating hyperbolic bullshit for YEARS.

I don't really want to get into it on personality grounds. But if it goes there, could you steer me towards whatever it was I did to you in the first place to earn your animosity? Because whatever it was, I'm very ashamed of it. It was thoughtless of me. And I'm always on the lookout for an opportunity to make amends for it. But I have absolutely no fucking clue what it was. One day, sunny weather. The next "FFS" on the porn thread. Then all downhill from there. On my side too.

In fact, if it doesn't go there, maybe you could just keep it under advisement. But I'm not in a position to be making any demands. So it's up to you.

On a sincerely 100 percent personality-free tip:

I'm sure you can see Rodia's name in the post you were replying to up there. So.

Even if barracuda were all the things you say he is, he'd still be the only poster who had enough of a problem with seeing the guy's life apparently endangered to raise an objection to it.*** And for your own sake, that shouldn't mean so little to you that it's just not there, no matter what. It could have been you. Your daughter. Anyone. But Rodia's enough, man, There wasn't ever any question about whether he had the gift of life. And I know you appreciate what that is in many and profound ways.

And....I so totally know this is not going to do the trick. But whatever. I feel I have to try. Even if I'm the other psychopath. But I remember another contender. So I'm hoping not to finish higher than third. Wish me luck.

Seriously. Is there something here people don't get? Because if there is, they should speak up. Might be important.
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***It's true that he didn't do it in those terms. But frankly, I wouldn't have either. Because they wouldn't have worked. It would just have gone from "Whatever, dude, you don't belong here" to "Stop censoring me!" without gain, change or discussion. Which it did anyway, actually. IIRC.

In any event. By the time I saw that post and thought: "That's a life-and-death risk. Yes, really. And the only effective way I can think of to minimize it is by showing it's unreliable on its merits, for the benefit of lurkers and latecomers..So I guess I have an urgent fucking obligation to do that. But how?" the answer was just another post down the line. But fwiw, you can have my word of honor that it's exactly what I thought.

And even if you don't agree with it, there's still just not enough doubt in the world to make that interpretation less likely than very possible. So you still can't oppose it just out of pure personal spite. You'd literally be rooting for someone's very possible death out of hatred. Or against the possibility of life. Whichever you prefer. It's just not the Christian thing to do. As I've always understood it.

[compared2what?]

Another media factor: Prior to Internet, people who appeared by name on TV for any reason would very frequently get harrassment, crank mail and calls, death threats and love stalkers, etc. Hardly limited to celebrities. The amount of this may not be greater now than before. Just now you hear about it, and people have a public (and also often anonymous) outlet. (As they should. We need to stand by First Amendment absolutism.)

You can absolutely do that without going the oh-whatever-people-get-death-threats route. I mean, you're also absolutely free to do it if you want to. I just think it's less scenic, personally.

[compared2what?]

Why? More death.

[jlaw172364]

Public Service Announcement: If you still look to television personalities for anything, be it news, opinion, grooming tips, etc. Rigorous Intuition has failed you. These people are nothing more than circus performers. Ignore them. Don't watch them. Live your lives.

[BrandonD]

I'd like to mention that it is within the realm of possibility that there may be actors involved in this scenario AND a real shooting that took place. It is not an "either or" situation, the two scenarios have been assumed mutually exclusive from inference based on very limited information.

[Nordic]

I'd like to mention that it is within the realm of possibility that there may be actors involved in this scenario AND a real shooting that took place. It is not an "either or" situation, the two scenarios have been assumed mutually exclusive from inference based on very limited information.

Yes. Exactly. Never let a diaster go unexploited, right?

That's what they do now.

This was perfect for creating a "lets destroy conspiracy theorists once and for all" opportunity.

[Canadian_watcher]

just to be clear, you're not one of the assholes, c2w..

[sunny]

But the harassment of Gene Rosen, the death threats to Chris Rodia, the takeover of the Emilie Parker memorial Facebook page - these are the signs of the conspiracy subculture eating itself, starting at the brain and
working its way down. I'm sure the real "they" is loving it.

But why are you assuming that all those supposed people and their heinous acts are real? Maybe they are actors. Maybe they're artificial internet identities created by government agencies collaborating with the media?

Maybe the actual hoax here is the creation of these stupid conspiracy theories and the agent provocateurs are those who are making the threats and doing the harassment?

Instead of breaking windows and setting fire to cop cars, they're doing this?

We don't know one way or another but we should be open to the very real possibility.

'Cognitive infiltrators' are very real, and making sure well-warranted questions about the details of this horrific event are conflated with 'nobody died' is exactly the kind of thing that lot set out to do.

[barracuda]

'Cognitive infiltrators' are very real, and making sure well-warranted questions about the details of this horrific event are conflated with 'nobody died' is exactly the kind of thing that lot set out to do.

Maybe that really is what they do, in which case I would ask you why you are still falling into their trap by questioning the validity of the grief responses of the parents?

Jesus. This might be a relevant point if you were talking about Granny, RIP aged 82, or even a child if she's been the victim of a long illness, but not one morsel of this long winded dissertation on the behaviors of grief seems germane, in the slightest, to the behavior of the parents of a tiny innocent child who has been ruthlessly slaughtered in her classroom. Do you have any concept of the sheer terror that strikes the heart of a mother who even contemplates something like this happening to her defenseless baby? The mindless rage alone, if god forbid it actually DID happen to her baby, absolutely precludes grinning photo ops with the POTUS or any-goddamn-body else.

These parents..something is wrong with them. I don't know what, but something isn't right here.

Because that right there is the gateway to "nobody died".

Maybe it's because the parents who were screaming in tormented agony and tearing their hair out over the slaughter of their children haven't been routinely featured on television. If that's the case, try this:

“We all saw how beautiful he was. He had thick, shiny hair, beautiful long eyelashes that rested on his cheeks. He looked like he was sleeping. But the reality of it was under the cloth he had covering his mouth there was no mouth left. His jaw was blown away. I just want people to know the ugliness of it so we don’t talk about it abstractly, like these little angels just went to heaven. No. They were butchered. They were brutalized. And that is what haunts me at night.”

http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinki ... z2I0uklguO

More intense grief at link.

[NeonLX]

...live a life that involves corn mazes and fingerpainting because in my limited experience raising a wonderful, aware and happy child is THE most productive thing a person can do.

Yeah. I don't think I've accomplished much in this life, looking back across a lot of decades now. But the one really worthwhile thing I did was adopt a child and raise her with as much love as possible. My wife and I weren't able to have kids the old fashioned way so we adopted. I feel damned fortunate to have been able to go this route. And damned fortunate to be a dad. Everything else has been secondary.

[coffin_dodger]

One thing I've noted within the 'conspiracy community' is it's participants ability to ingest enormous amounts of tremendously soul-corrupting and often terrifying information, then switching off their PC's to go live their normal daily lives, holding down jobs, raising kids etc.

It's a kind of cognitive dissonance. It's like we are watching a movie that we then come online to discuss. The vast, vast majority of it actually doesn't touch our lives directly and if it does, it's in tiny, incremental amounts.

As more and more conspiracy theory is exposed as conspiracy fact, one has to ask the question - with the machinations of the powerful being unmasked daily, having so much to lose and a vast arsenal of outright owned or complicit media at their disposal, what if a Sandy Hook type incident is exposed as a sham? - a real 'in-your-face', no denying it, level of corruption is truly staggering, 'where does the rot extend to?', the authorities are complicit! - just the kind of awakening that conspiracy theorists urge -

what happens then?

Nothing. Same as what happened when the bankers were exposed in '08. Except conspiracy theorists lose another few degrees of sanity. Perhaps that's the grand plan - weed out those that give a shit and drive them mad.