Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[Nordic]

Because that right there is the gateway to "nobody died".

Bullshit. Do not presume to tell me where I stand or where I might stand tomorrow on any given issue. I am not at the gate, I am not even in the vicinity of 'nobody died'. Hey, don't smoke those questions! You might end up a conspiracy junkie.

If you need it spelled out, where I am is questioning the validity of these peoples' identities. I question if they are who they say they are. No, I do not know why, or even IF, fake parents would be trotted out but I would like the right to put the question out there without feeling bullied and patronized.

No parent of a murdered child would behave as these people have and I don't need goddamn internet articles to tell me about the grieving process of family members of murder victims; I've seen it up close and personal. And no, there was no 'screaming in tormented agony' but since I never said this was a requirement for me to take their grief as credible your point is moot.


I realize the atmosphere at RI has changed to one of 'you are not allowed to ask questions that do not fit within the parameters set by a certain clique of posters' but... you know what? Fuck you.

Agree with Sunny here 100%.

Barracuda, the only one doing the conflating is you. Yes you.

You do it further down the thread, and in fact you don't stop. You seem unable to not conflate.

So cut it the fuck out because it 's really annoying and insulting to those of us who are able to not conglate. How bout that?

[82_28]

A most belated "my heart goes out to you", Lily. There sure is an awful lot of loss amongst the RI regulars.

[sunny]

Parts of this thread boggle my mind. I try to imagine someone rating me on my "appearance of grief" back in November of 1982 when my only son died and all I can say is that it's so profoundly unempathic and escapist/denial-based that it hurts to think about. Those poor parents, having to bear that outrageous indignity along with their grief. During the first 24 hours after my son died, I went through distinct phases of reaction--hysteria, horror and the shock-induced silence that followed, numb calm and terrible shaking pain and suicidal longing. And I was doing it essentially alone. Had I had other parents grieving with me, I know they would have affected how I looked and sounded--human beings do that if they're empathic--but all those reactions would still have been there, either in public or in private, sooner or later.

And who knows what drugs some of these poor suffering people were given to allow them to continue to function for their remaining family members? I remember someone offered me a valium at one point and I took it to get through the old-fashioned funeral, which included a walk down the main street of the tiny town in W PA, from the funeral home to the cemetery, following the carried coffin past all the residents of the town. Without chemical help I would have collapsed. Did anyone judge me by the fact that my face showed my numbness? How about by the fact that the drug allowed me to interact with the rest of the family and friends without wailing my grief aloud as I walked? Did that count against me?

Sorry to get so personal, but I watched those Connecticut parents and saw their reactions and ALL of them were normal for our culture. I had to say something.

LilyPat

I am very sorry for your loss LilyPat.
Your grief and the grief of your family over the loss of your son is/was a private matter and nobody's business.

But from your comments it doesn't sound like your son was murdered. I sincerely hope not.

A murder case is a matter of public interest. In any other case where the facts aren't exactly clear cut, we take for granted that the family and friends of the victim will have to endure many uncomfortable questions about a range of issues. We take for granted that demeanor and behavior of the family is scrutinized to a degree that they may find offensive.

I'm not saying these parents are guilty of murder nor are suspects, at least in my mind. But their bizarre behavior isn't happening in a vacuum. In the context of a plethora of anomalies in the information the public has received thus far their bizarre activities [that go beyond apparently relaxed, smiling photo ops with the POTUS] are worthy of discussion.

[barracuda]

Barracuda, the only one doing the conflating is you. Yes you.

You do it further down the thread, and in fact you don't stop. You seem unable to not conflate.

So cut it the fuck out because it 's really annoying and insulting to those of us who are able to not conglate. How bout that?

Yeahhh, that won't happen, probably.

I'm not conflating, bro. Go review the thread and see what I said to sunny: I said she was...

questioning the validity of the grief responses of the parents

...a tactic which I consider to be

the gateway to "nobody died"

...which I still believe to be the case. If those aren't the parents on teevee, leads to > where are the parents of the girl they buried as Emilie Parker, leads to > did they really bury a girl at all?

But the fallback position, then, is that children died but the parents are actors. That's what I hear you saying. Meaning specifically, I presume, Robbie Parker, because he's the only parent that spoke to the press in front of video cameras before yesterday. If I'm mistaken about that, please let me know.

I haven't seen any video of Alissa Parker commenting on the shooting. Nor, before yesterday, had I seen video of any of the other parents. But I guess because she smiled when her surviving children were being held by the president (children who I feel fairly certain aren't going to understand why their sister's not around and why they couldn't see her in the coffin), she's a fraud.

I mean, you didn't even tell your son about this incident, right? Yet you accuse Alissa Parker of a fucking heinous crime for trying to maintain appearances around her little girls.

Anywho, I'll just wait here hoping someone can parse out how that actor stuff works in light of the press conference the parents of the victims gave yesterday. This one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lence.html

Though someone'll surely clue me in on the lowdown about how maybe they didn't know Robbie Parker, or had never seen him before, but maybe they've been silenced by the shadow government into going along with the masquerade or more children will maybe die. Or something.

The mindless rage alone, if god forbid it actually DID happen to her baby, absolutely precludes grinning photo ops with the POTUS or any-goddamn-body else.

"if god forbid it actually DID happen to her baby", sounds an awfully lot like maybe nothing actually happened to her baby. To me. And it completely ignores the fact that the remaining 38 parents of the other murdered children followed exactly the behavior pattern you'd expect. They went into hiding to grieve for a month.

But yeah, I already get that you think the crisis actors may be all over this one. And I'll admit, it's a good story. I can see why it's caught on. But that's all it is - a story.

[barracuda]

I'm not saying these parents are guilty of murder nor are suspects, at least in my mind. But their bizarre behavior isn't happening in a vacuum. In the context of a plethora of anomalies in the information the public has received thus far their bizarre activities [that go beyond apparently relaxed, smiling photo ops with the POTUS] are worthy of discussion.

And it's being discussed, as we speak. But again, I assume you're talking about Robbie and Alissa Parker when you say "these parents". Because 'til yesterday, they were the only place to hang that hat. But not anymore. So I'm hoping for some of that investigative stuff from you regarding the "bizarre behavior" of the parents in yesterday's press conference.

[Project Willow]

Maybe it's the overwhelming grief of this case that's driven everyone mad.

[8bitagent]

Thank you for sharing Lily. I cant even imagine your loss. I take it he would have been around my age. Another RI regular mentioned they too had dealt with such a loss,
and it's something for which I don't have the right words for. I can imagine how triggering it must be with how many stories and reports come out day and day out, even in local media.
I take it(hope?) you have a great support system now?

Maybe it's the overwhelming grief of this case that's driven everyone mad.

A lot of us are around little ones on a regular basis. The very thought of nearly two dozen lifeless six year olds in a place of learning is way too much to even wrap one's head around, so from that angle I can see
why some might want to believe this horror didn't happen

[Nordic]

Barracuda. It's not a gateway. Maybe to you but not to everybody.

It's like saying thinking the twin towers were demolished on 911 is a gateway to the no planes/hologram theory.

It's insulting.

[barracuda]

Insulting? Maybe, to you.

Conflating? No.

[BrandonD]

Yes. Exactly. Never let a diaster go unexploited, right?

That's what they do now.

This was perfect for creating a "lets destroy conspiracy theorists once and for all" opportunity.

Yes, it seems a good way to assure that the message the public receives from this tragedy is exactly what they are intended to receive. Real people involved in a tragedy are a bit of a "wild card" I think.

[Canadian_watcher]

just to be clear, you're not one of the assholes, c2w..

Thanks. And if I was being more lecture-y. than I needed to be (which it looks to me like I was), I'm sorry. .

It's just hard to know what to do, sometimes. Not a newsflash, I know.

no, not too lecture-y. And yes to the last part, absolutely.

[compared2what?]

Maybe it's the overwhelming grief of this case that's driven everyone mad.

I'm sure that's true. And I'm also sure that it's true that a lot of people were living with enough of that to last a lifetime already, in one form or another.

But that's what classic victim-blaming is about, too, a la "I refuse to believe that the rape, abuse, and/or violence you claim to have experienced occurred. Because I sure didn't see it. And you seem to be doing something other than what I've just decided you would if what you were saying was true, despite my knowing nothing about you and never having laid eyes on you before. Good thing, too, I've gotta say. It would really be a drag for me to have to live in a world where shit like that could happen to anybody. I like to think I know who the black hats and white hats are. Plus I have troubles of my own, due to which you're making me do this, really. But if you ever get hurt in some way that's a better fit for me, my door's always open. Next."

Bad things happen to too many people for all of them to make good martyrs for anyone. Let alone everyone. They shouldn't have to compete for public approval. It's not a competition. There's plenty of loss to go around.

Seriously. Slippery slope.

[LilyPatToo]

Thank you all and I apologize. I wrote that unpleasant post because I was so upset this morning that I couldn't not write it and go about my day. I do have a support system now, 82_28, but I imagine just about every parent who's buried a child has found this particular shooting and its aftermath very painful to get through. And then to find out that a conspiracy's being woven around it--it's too much. I, who know for a fact, firsthand, that conspiracies are real, am appalled. To hear grief-stricken parents' behaviors criticized, with the world's gaze focused on them after their world has fallen apart. Jesus. If there's one thing I've learned about grief, it's that there is no correct form and that no one should ever have to explain any emotional reaction or apparent lack thereof to their child's death, to anyone--no matter how bizarre or inappropriate it might seem to the rest of the world.

So I walked around the lake and watered my garden and calmed down. And then my husband came home from work upset and disgusted about the Newtown "truthers" and I wanted to throw up. I felt slimed. If there's a conspiracy here, it's media spin after the fact and I doubt it has anything to do with any of the parents. The conspiracy community is in free-fall as far as public opinion goes and we weren't all that high in their regard to begin with...which must suit the perpetrators of the real conspiracies to a T. If I wasn't so concerned about that, I'd cancel my subscription to this thread and hope to have a less sucky day tomorrow.

LilyPat

[Nordic]

Insulting? Maybe, to you.

Conflating? No.

Why do you seem to play the role of the Thought Police around here?

An open mind you seem to lack.

You also seem extremely attached ro being right. It seems to be desperately important to you.

And by the way, show me anywhere on this thread where I accused any of the parents of being crisis actors, or of the murders being faked. Yet you were awfully quick to assume I was one of those crazy nutjobs who thinks so ALL because I said there are some weird and fishy things about this case. It's almost like you're acting like one of those nutty jump-to-conclusion people. About me.

You can't tell anyone what to think. Thought police are not appreciated and it's one of the major trasons I quit posting everywhere else but here.

This place doesn't need thought police, especially self appointed ones.

[barracuda]

Bah, what nonsense. Talk to the issues, that's all I'm doing. If you don't like the way I do it, get in line with everyone else who doesn't. Or address the substance, cuz that's why we're here.

And by the way, show me anywhere on this thread where I accused any of the parents of being crisis actors, or of the murders being faked.

Top of the page, when sunny said,

If you need it spelled out, where I am is questioning the validity of these peoples' identities. I question if they are who they say they are.

And you responded with,

Agree with Sunny here 100%.

If you don't share her sentiment about that, maybe you should have just gone with ~80% on that one. If you wanna clarify, I'll happily - very happily - admit I jumped to a conclusion. But it was a leap anyone might have made, ya gotta admit.