the Holographic Universe

[Sokolova]

Does anyone know this book and the physics underpinning it?<br><br>It's built around the work of David Bohm and his idea of the universe as a kind of dynamic exercise of continuous movement and creation, with consciousness as the driver. Not simply human consciousness, but the consciousness of the universe, where all matter contributes to awareness. That there are grades of reality as it were and grades of awareness too.<br><br>I find it fascinating because it goes some way towards offering a unified explanation for 'life the universe and everything'. It offers models for how things as apparently diverse as the placebo effect, psychokinesis, clairvoyance,<br>synchronicity and even the nuts and bolts of history itself come into being .<br><br>But it also offers a massive challenge to our orthodoxy. Because if it is true - or if it contains truth within it - then it is an even more absolute statement of the role of the observer in creating the fate of the world.<br><br>Basically it means that we end up making real that which we believe to be real. The act of observing is not a passive but an active constituent. We create what we expect to see. Not simply as an act of imagining, but of genuine creation. We actually make our beliefs take place. <br><br>Thus, a person who genuinely believes an injection of water contains a powerful anti-cancerr drug will be cured, because his/her belief has actually altered the fabric or reality and destroyed the tumour. Thus, we even make the atoms of the world behave in an orderly fashion to create our stable 'real world' because we all believe so entirely that it exists.<br> Even more bizarrely it seems to act quite atemporally - that is to say we can reterocognitavely effect the past as well as the future.<br><br>The implications for those of us who want to find the truth are huge it seems. For if we are in effect creating reality by perceiving and believing it, then what is ultimately either true or real?<br><br>Did the fact that so many people in 2005 believe in the JFK conspiracy actually retrocognitively create that conspiracy in the first place?<br><br>More alarmingly - if we keep on predicting armageddon are we going to make it happen? <br><br>Is there a responsibility -as Bohm indicated - to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>believe</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> responsibly, just as there is to act responsibly?<br><br><br>And what is truth? - as Pilate once asked. <br>Unlike him I will stay for an answer.<br><br>Ellie <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sokolova>Sokolova</A> at: 8/15/05 7:16 am<br></i>

[Avalon]

Reading about many of the subjects we cover in this forum can lead to paranoia and pervasive negativism.<br><br>Those of us who have the luxury to read on the Net rather than having to focus our whole energy on survival of ourselves or those around us would do well to look into the concept of <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>pronoia</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>the concept that many forces are working together on many levels to make existence work well for many of us.<br><br>Perhaps the work we do would be better aimed at making pronoia work better for more people, rather than identifying ourselves by how paranoid and full of hates we are.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[enkidu]

My father bought a copy of The Holographic Universe after having read a positive review, and he subsequently passed the book on to me, without comment (so I don't actually know if he read it or not--which is irrelevant). After I read it I wrote my father a letter saying I was skeptical about the claims the author was making--it didn't make sense (quantum physics doesn't make sense to me, but that doesn't make it wrong--or right). He forwarded my letter to a friend of his who teaches physics at some prestigious university back East (vague enough for ya?) and this physics professor wrote back and agreed with me, that the author was taking liberties with Bohm's legitimate work--<br>My father's dead now, but that's the only time in my life when I could feel that my father was proud of me. So in a very roundabout way I'm glad the book exists.<br><br>I'm very impressed with the civility shown on this board to all posters, I'm beginning to see why Jeff let the sticky about trolling slip away because it just doesn't seem necessary here. You're all such nice people I'm reluctant to say this for fear of alienating myself from the community: someone used the word "parapolitics" to describe the subject of this discussion board, and suggested that poster "Norman" go elsewhere to discuss just-plain-politics, and others jumped in saying No No, this too is Edifying . . .<br>Talk of aliens and ghosts, angels and demons makes me uncomfortable within the context of what's going on here in Einstein's universe. There I said it. <p></p><i></i>

[ZeroHaven]

I can't add anything about the book because I've never heard of it.. but from what you describe it sounds a lot like my personal "faith".<br><br>Long story short is that after I got disillusioned by all formal religion I noted what "works" in life and followed that instead. Basically, the entirety of it is that if I have absolute faith that things will work out.. they will. I attribute it to my own mind, because that's all I have.<br>If I set a serious-yet-reasonable goal it will be achieved... Shortly after I forget about it. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> (many many examples!)<br><br>I wrote here in a 'magic' thread about having been 'cursed'.. it so happens that it ocurred during a time when things were 'just fine' for a while, and in my dismay I had nearly forgotten to practice that faith. As soon as I reconnected with my belief, all was right again and I even found out who did the cursing.<br>There are plenty of real, not hokey 'faith healing' stories out there. I have no doubt that even if this book's physics are innacurate, the human mind really can and does create parts of reality. <br>ALL of reality? Well.. how many different realities are there with so many different minds?<br>--<br>If you don't want to believe in the book's principles literally, there is an alternate reasonable explanation for creating events. When you set your mind to an outcome, you will work toward that outcome.. either consciously or sub-consciously. If you are looking for facts that support a JFK conspiracty you will find those. If you look for facts that are not-conspiracy you will find those. It depends on what you decided to look for in the first place!<br><br>If people didn't believe ATLANTIS existed they would never bother to look for facts proving it did. If you decide armageddon is coming you will work towards that end with the same amount of effort as if you had decided to own a motorcycle.<br><br>"I think therefore I am" -- what I think I am. QED. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>

[enkidu]

In the 'Seventies I took a course in Transcendental Meditation. After practicing what I was taught for only a very short time, I found that if I needed something it would come to me (like ZeroHaven I can give solid examples). Because there seemed to be a correlation I resolved to ask my instructor about it at our next meeting. At our next meeting my instructor gave a talk he called, "Nature Provides," in which he basically answered my question before I asked it.<br>He also predicted that most of us would become so involved in other activities that we'd start skipping our morning and evening meditation, to make room in our schedules for other things, and that's exactly what happened to me.<br>I can't explain that. The human brain is a marvelous thing; many tests have shown that people see what they want to see and don't see what they don't want to see. I can't explain that either. But I resist the notion that, as some have suggested, reality is purely imagined by human beings. Or that, if I'd kept up with my Transcendental Meditation, I could have affected change beyond a very small sphere of influence.<br>I resist the idea of "Faith"--and I don't know where that comes from--but if Faith can indeed move mountains, y'all need to show me. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

Faith isn't something that can be experienced at the remove of the second- or third-person conjugate. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/15/05 11:35 pm<br></i>

[enkidu]

You so remind me of my father, and not in a good way. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

<br>A good introduction to principles of quantum physics- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Dancing Wu Li Masters</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, by Gary Zukav. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/15/05 11:36 pm<br></i>

[heyjt]

It sounds like a scientist trying to explain Daoism. I can get behind that. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

...because it shows that Metaphysics and Physics are beginning to agree with each other. The book came out in the 1970's, and The Holographic Universe is the next level. I didn't read it yet, but my husband did. As a gift and a thank-you for getting me through my second semester of Algebra last June, I presented my tutor with it. She is a recently-naturalized American citizen, a physicist from Bulgaria (and a very sweet person besides!) How thrilled she was to receive it! "I've been looking for this book!" She needed it for a class she is preparing about the "new" physics.<br><br>This is NOT Einstein's universe, after all. There is so much more to it than his limitations suggested. If you want to measure it, it will be there.<br><br>...And besides, "multiverse" is a much more appropriate term, anyway. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[Seventhsonjr]

I like the saying: Faith will move mountains - But bring a shovel.<br><br>I LOVE the Holographic Universe: Amazing.<br><br>But I am reading or rereading Carl Jung's: Man and His Symbols (as well as Meher Baba and Steiner these says)<br><br>A lot of these philosophers interrelate and "explain" mystical phenomenon in ways which seem consistent with a Universal Unified Field of Knowledge, experience and awareness as well as quantum theory.<br><br>Anyway it is late and i am too tired to make sense, but I just wanted to chime in that the more your explore the more you find the mystical makes sense and that faith in the miraculous is really just common sense available just within the quieted soul and your own heart.<br><br>It is pretty cool.<br><br>And it beats Bush and his nazis and their weird necrophilic sickness hands down... <p></p><i></i>

[enkidu]

I said to my father, If reality is whatever you want it to be, what's the point?<br>Others have replied to that question, Why does there have to be a point? What if there is no point? What if there is no overarching sovereign Absolute?<br>And that's MY point--moral conduct is entirely up to us humans. Our actions may affect the warp and weave of the universe in ways we will never understand but what we do know is how we should and shouldn't treat with other human beings. Good and evil are human constructs; it shouldn't be this hard for us to agree on what's right and what's wrong. I don't think it's a matter of Can't but more of Won't--but unless we do, this much is clear, at least, to me: we will have failed in our purpose. <p></p><i></i>

[Seventhson]

I think that good and evil MAY be divine constructs --- the absolute order of the universe.<br><br>Reality is NOT whatever we want it to be: it has laws of creation and unravelling (destruction).<br><br>But I agree that the human element is the key to improving the world. I also believe that if humans really saw the divinity in all that surrounds us (and within oursleves) then we might behave better towards one another.<br><br>I believe that Bush a et al believe ONLY in socalled eugenic and genocidal and necrophilic darwinism --- they are blind to the divine. They deny it. They see only that might makes right and, to me, power (or mammon) is their false idol with a racist mysanthropic and ethnocentric Holocaustal flair.<br><br>Communicating that to the citizenry so they resist and oppose the tyranny is one of the first orders of business in transforming and literally saving the world from blaind, sick and insane men who comprise the BFEE. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

...start a new thread on this. As soon as I find my short essay "The Revolution is Personal." --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[enkidu]

Harvard. The "prestigious university back East" I referred to in my first post above is Harvard.<br><br>Seventhson: There is certainly Polarity everywhere you look, and to me it suggests we can't have Plus without Minus, or vice versa. I don't know how it applies to human moral conduct, or if it applies. There's a website called Cocaine.org which insists there will come a time when we have designer drugs that will make us all happy all the time. I feel that without experiencing the polar opposite of happiness we wouldn't know happiness if it was shoved down our throats--but I could be wrong.<br>Anyway, this news item is interesting:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/milkyway.html">www.news.wisc.edu/newspho...kyway.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>