Fuck Ron Paul

[Searcher08]

Going back to the OP, my biggest concern with Ron Paul is not with him, it would be how the machinery for de-commissioning big chunks of the American government would work. For example as Catherine Fitts found out, HUD was being run as a criminal enterprise.
I think it would be very important to have a plan, which would include re-engineering the funding of Empire first and then use the funds this freed to bootstrap the government size reduction.
Also IMHO he is a visionary and educator - what is the succession plan?

[Elihu]

Going back to the OP, my biggest concern with Ron Paul is not with him, it would be how the machinery for de-commissioning big chunks of the American government would work.

why need it be complicated? i say if it is complicated, it's a fail from the get go.

I think it would be very important to have a plan, which would include re-engineering the funding of Empire first and then use the funds this freed to bootstrap the government size reduction.

first, end the prohibition that is legal tender. take everything else in sequence. next.

Also IMHO he is a visionary and educator - what is the succession plan?

succession plan? wha? -- We may be tossed upon an ocean where we can see no land -- nor, perhaps, the sun or stars. But there is a chart and a compass for us to study, to consult, and to obey. That chart is the Constitution. Daniel Webster-- this is not "great man" territory. i hardly see him as visionary. he's unattractive. he's not eloquent. his message has not changed in 40 years. he has courage and conviction. it's ironic that his vision of leadership at this late stage would be painful and he himself would likely catch heLL in implementing it. the profundity of this nation's identity crisis is huge. a scientifically degraded rabble that does not even know what it wants. it's not likely we're up to the task. it's only a matter of do we want to be in some measure of control over the re-set or will we just be going along for the ride. those are two different destinations btw...

[Searcher08]

Going back to the OP, my biggest concern with Ron Paul is not with him, it would be how the machinery for de-commissioning big chunks of the American government would work.

why need it be complicated? i say if it is complicated, it's a fail from the get go.

There is already a really complex (high variety) system in operation. This complexity doesn't just vanish, it diffuses through the rest of the system, like a bubble under a new carpet. Let's say Im Lockheed Martin and I have a $15billion dollar twenty years deal for HUD IT servicing. Then HUD is axed...

I think it would be very important to have a plan, which would include re-engineering the funding of Empire first and then use the funds this freed to bootstrap the government size reduction.

first, end the prohibition that is legal tender. take everything else in sequence. next.

Ending the Fed and Empire can carry on concurrently
What about the fact that the Fed itself is just part of a larger and more powerful financial system of the BIS?

Also IMHO he is a visionary and educator - what is the succession plan?

succession plan? wha? -- We may be tossed upon an ocean where we can see no land -- nor, perhaps, the sun or stars. But there is a chart and a compass for us to study, to consult, and to obey. That chart is the Constitution. Daniel Webster-- this is not "great man" territory. i hardly see him as visionary. he's unattractive. he's not eloquent. his message has not changed in 40 years. he has courage and conviction. it's ironic that his vision of leadership at this late stage would be painful and he himself would likely catch heLL in implementing it. the profundity of this nation's identity crisis is huge. a scientifically degraded rabble that does not even know what it wants. it's not likely we're up to the task. it's only a matter of do we want to be in some measure of control over the re-set or will we just be going along for the ride. those are two different destinations btw

I think it would be very unlikely for him to last more than a few months before he dies in his sleep due to a non diagnosed heart complaint.

How he would get his program through a special interest driven, corrupt congress full of the shits it is?

I dont think we have any actual control over the ride, but I do think that each of us can do the best we can to match our values to our actions, be effective day to day and help others to do the same, speak out when we see injustice and show some kindness
which is a long way of saying we have massive influence over our own state and preparations for surprise....

[Elihu]

Ending the Fed and Empire can carry on concurrently

ending one is ending the other. they are one and the same.

What about the fact that the Fed itself is just part of a larger and more powerful financial system of the BIS?

the end of prohibition means a person has the legal option of taking his wealth out of that system and can re-enter at will. in fact continuous free entry and exit will be a necessity for transacting some % of one's business. the utility of the fed and bis will achieve a relative state. their power and influence come from their exclusive rights to deal in the money stuff enforced with government guns.

There is already a really complex (high variety) system in operation. This complexity doesn't just vanish, it diffuses through the rest of the system, like a bubble

game changer.

Let's say Im Lockheed Martin and I have a $15billion dollar twenty years deal for HUD IT servicing. Then HUD is axed...

based on the foregoing, the current incarnation of hud is not organic but part of the monopoly paradigm. it too could change without violating lockheed's contracts or "rights". now the war part of lockheed's contracts? were the commander in chief to cease and desist? sorry, done, cancelled, over. and the risks of boa, citi, jpm, rbs, db, wells, going bankrupt? no longer a communist national security priority. there are alternatives now.

I think it would be very unlikely for him to last more than a few months before he dies in his sleep due to a non diagnosed heart complaint.

nationalize big dick cheney's doctor.

How he would get his program through a special interest driven, corrupt congress full of the shits it is?

the beautiful chaos to behold, if only. they'd scatter like the cockroaches that they are.

I dont think we have any actual control over the ride, but I do think that each of us can do the best we can to match our values to our actions, be effective day to day and help others to do the same, speak out when we see injustice and show some kindness which is a long way of saying we have massive influence over our own state and preparations for surprise....

you do keep things in perspective searcher. thanks for that.

[AhabsOtherLeg]

I see it as totally the Scottish people's choice, especially as to where and when it is decided.

...Nobody will fight me.

Thanks for that though Searcher, I wasn't sure where you stood on that point, just wanted to make sure. I will try to stop invading (all) other threads with my obsession for a while.

I would prefer you found someone other than Salmond who I personally wouldn't trust further than I could throw his smug lardy pol arse

Fair point, I've just finished his unauthorised biography (written by a Tory, David Torrance, so it's not exactly biased in Salmond's favour) and there's certainly a fair amount to dislike and distrust about him. I won't go into it here, maybe over on the other thread. He is only a vehicle though (quite a high-performance vehicle at that) as are the SNP for the most part. They'll almost undoubtedly split once the main job is done, and I'll support whatever party forms out of their left flank.

I like the Council of the Isles idea, I hope something like that would be possible, though that's hoping for an awful lot. Not really sure about invading the Faroe islands though... They're still a protectorate of the Danish crown, and picking fights with Vikings is never a good idea. I thought Faroe was fully independent now, but I was wrong. Again.

Aberdeenshire's a great place, I need to get up there more often.

Ok, I will derail this thread no further.

[elfismiles]

Why did Rand Paul forsake his dad Ron Paul for Mitt Romney? Christian Science Monitor‎
Sen. Ran Paul endorsed Mitt Romney for president this week, even though his father Ron Paul has not formally dropped out of the race.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/ ... itt-Romney

Rand Paul Endorses Mitt Romney "Now That the Nominating Process is Over"
Ed Krayewski | June 8, 2012
http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/08/rand- ... y-now-that

TODAY ON THE ALEX JONES SHOW

Today on this LIVE Sunday, June 10 edition, Alex will open up the phones to your calls and give a special report on the Ron Paul / Rand Paul firestorm that has swelled into controversy. Alex will analyze the coordinated timing between Senator Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney for president and Congressman Ron Paul's announcement that he is conceding his delegates at the Tampa, Florida RNC convention and asking his supporters to "be respectful" rather than revolt against the party machinery. Alex will also break down other key world events, including the war drums beating for Syria and fresh conflict in the Middle East.

Flip Flopper Rand Paul Denounced Bilderberg, Goldman Before Backing Their Boys - Luke Rudkowski
WeAreChange.org - June 9, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sctUOlOw8
http://www.infowars.com/flip-flopper-ra ... heir-boys/

[elfismiles]

Is Ron Paul (maybe) getting ready to endorse Mitt Romney?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder ... itt-Romney

[2012 Countdown]

RON PAUL 2012 should listen to RON PAUL 2008


Published on Jun 11, 2012 by PSNy2kUK

Does America need a third party? The two-party system is failing RON PAUL 2008 explains
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... c-kWCxW1dg
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Haha, mentions Ralph Nader...talks about Quigley.

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“Half the people who vote for a president end up voting for the lesser of two evils.” the Congressman notes.

Paul explains that he had received a phone call from John McCain’s campaign requesting that he endorse McCain, who went on to become the eventual GOP nominee.

“I don’t like the idea of having two or three million people angry at me.” Paul continues, adding “The argument was he would do a little less harm than the other candidates.”

“We just don’t need to do that anymore… If you ever come to a point where you believe that the two parties are essentially the same, and the majority is outside the establishment, then it’s not very democratic. The process isn’t working.” The Congressman urges.

Paul then goes on to talk about Carroll Quigley, the historian who exposed the machinations of several secretive elitist control groups, Such as the Council On Foreign Relations, in his book Tragedy and Hope.

“The important thing about Quigley was that he claims he was on the inside and did part of the planning.” Paul notes.

The Congressman then reads a quote from Quigley expressing the notion that both parties have become coopted by the same special interests, that they should be rejected and the majority should form a third movement going forward if any real change is to come about.

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The sentiments and principles expressed in this speech by Ron Paul highlight exactly why so many are upset and downright angry over Rand Paul’s recent endorsement of Mitt Romey, and see it as a betrayal or a compromise of integrity.

Though Ron Paul himself has not endorsed Romney, it is clear that Rand’s endorsement was closely coordinated with his father.

Rand Paul explained this week that his endorsement of Romney was part of his attempt to work within the system to bring about change. However, as his father succinctly states in the speech from four years ago, the system is completely antithetical to change. The system is rigged to make sure the status quo is NEVER effectively challenged.

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-2012-s ... paul-2008/

[JackRiddler]

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Yeah, someone take a screenshot of the front page!

[seemslikeadream]

Ron Paul hates the UN, unless he needs it to thwart his supporters
18 hrs ago
Ron Paul still hasn't explained his callous tweet about the shooting death of ex-Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, nor is he stepping up to answer why he's cozying up to one of his old targets, the United Nations at the potential expense of his supporters. Mr. Free Market has asked the World Intellectual Property Organization, a U.N. agency, to seize the domain names RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org from his Libertarian backers, even after they'd made a reasonable offer to sell. This from the man who once said, "If we continue down the U.N. path, America as we know it will cease to exist." Wail his peeps at RonPaul.com, "We want our old pre-retirement Ron Paul back!" [Source]

[elfismiles]

I can understand wanting to retake control of your brand namesake but ffs.

:P

Ron Paul hates the UN, unless he needs it to thwart his supporters
18 hrs ago
Ron Paul still hasn't explained his callous tweet about the shooting death of ex-Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, nor is he stepping up to answer why he's cozying up to one of his old targets, the United Nations at the potential expense of his supporters. Mr. Free Market has asked the World Intellectual Property Organization, a U.N. agency, to seize the domain names RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org from his Libertarian backers, even after they'd made a reasonable offer to sell. This from the man who once said, "If we continue down the U.N. path, America as we know it will cease to exist." Wail his peeps at RonPaul.com, "We want our old pre-retirement Ron Paul back!" [Source]

[elfismiles]

Ron Paul on Feeding the Deep State: Trump’s Big Intel Boost an Attack on Liberty
Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams Posted on October 31, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tPuiKkE55s

The 2018 US intelligence community budget saw its biggest increase in ten years and is now higher than it has ever been. President Trump’s backers often claim that he’s in Washington to fight the deep state, but it doesn’t get more “deep state” than the US intelligence community. How to explain this massive increase? Do they think we are safer and more free with an even larger spy network watching us and meddling in the rest of the world’s affairs? Tune in to today’s Ron Paul Liberty Report:

Reprinted from The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2018/10/31 ... n-liberty/