11 Years After That Clear Blue Tuesday...

[crikkett]

My main problem, as mentioned above, with thinking that those 19 hijackers were real and actual hijackers as opposed to just being role players in a drill, who knew they were gonna die that day is, simply, they dont fit the profile of your average suicide bombing radical extremist Muslim, I suppose one could argue they were dedicated secular, as opposed to religiousy fanatic, jihadist nonethless it seems hard for me to believe that ALL 19 of them, assuming they were not hardcore religious fanatics, which is the evidence suggests they are not, went to their deaths that day knowingly and not one of them chickened out at the last minute.

a) I thought the guys in San Antonio chickened out at the last minute --weren't there guys in San Antonio, supposed to go to SF?
b) I thought it took more than your average suicide bombing radical extremist Muslim to drive a plane into a building (or the Golden Gate Bridge.)

[8bitagent]

I mean Flight 77 could have easily killed all the top brass with or without remote control theories.

Well, isn't that the thing? As we all know, 77 hit the one wedge out of five with street bomb reinforcement, hit it conveniently low at a horizontal angle, just as the reinforcement was nearly complete, but while still under construction, so populated by only a skeleton crew (creepy designation, in hindsight) which was mostly comprised of accountants and such. I somehow doubt that, if the locus and timing wasn't all happenstance, such a thing would have ever been entrusted to even the world's most expert pilot.

p.s. Part of what makes The Other Guys so deliciously subversive, a sly possible reference to 9/11 I'd wager not a single other viewer picked up (and may not have even been intended by the filmmakers, lol, in which case there's nothing really to pick up) is that the demolition crew's hijacked wrecking ball crashed into the jewelry building under a false pretense, the real purpose was to alter the financial records of the accountants next door. I'm not suggesting the Pentagon accountants were necessarily the real target, the primary target. But, probably, at the very least: Hey, two birds, why not? And, wasn't that also the case for the WTC tower complex? See, next time you watch The Other Guys, pretend it's a comedy designed in part to cheer up this board.

Well Hani Hanjour was courteous.
(spoof ad I made in 2006)

[Forgetting2]

Couldn't really find a 9/11 synchronicity thread, so here's one I just ran into and put up on youtube. I dunno', does it qualify?

It's from the movie "One From the Heart"



And Jeff's post on the topic.

[82_28]

We were fucked with. This was the point. It was started well before the the actual incident and I think/believe that it was plotted decades earlier given the .mil's research into this kind of shit and how buddy buddy they couldn't possibly not be with "wall street". And that includes our minds and how given a relative time of stasis they could finally take us over. They knew it would take a couple of generations to mold a new reality along with they and theirs' reality. And this is what they have done. They did it. The plan succeeded. Because they controlled us all along.

I had some dude and his son come in the other day and he's just ranting and raving about how he used to come there in the 70's and shit. I ask the kid when he was born. He says 2002. Kid now lives in a different reality than I. Just by that, that definition of when we were born and what me accustomed ourselves to. 9/11 to him is my Kent State which happened before me on Earth. But Kent State to him is but a basketball team he sees on ESPN from time to time. 9/11 is that to him. Yet the forces of oppression carry on with the long view as far as psychological effect in order to continually enslave us.

Thus, THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED.

Note: I'm not "enslaved" but I am stuck within a system that sucks. But people are starting at least with my generation beginning to notice. My dad would have none of the conspiracy speak once and kids born after 2001 only know this world.

America has cost the "global elite" too much for them. They are knowingly destroying in front of us that which they think they have GIVEN US.

And then offering an option.

Biz,

[8bitagent]

And Jeff's post on the topic.

I contended the artists were not somehow tipped off to the plot, but rather they tapped into the dark frequencies which soon after began troubling the dreams of so many. I'm beginning to wonder whether it will be by recovering our ability to astonish ourselves that we will save ourselves. If we become fully human, then our executioners are finished. (I mean to explore this more later, when Blogger is more dependable.)

yep.

We were fucked with. This was the point. It was started well before the the actual incident and I think/believe that it was plotted decades earlier given the .mil's research into this kind of shit and how buddy buddy they couldn't possibly not be with "wall street". And that includes our minds and how given a relative time of stasis they could finally take us over. They knew it would take a couple of generations to mold a new reality along with they and theirs' reality. And this is what they have done. They did it. The plan succeeded. Because they controlled us all along.

I had some dude and his son come in the other day and he's just ranting and raving about how he used to come there in the 70's and shit. I ask the kid when he was born. He says 2002. Kid now lives in a different reality than I. Just by that, that definition of when we were born and what me accustomed ourselves to. 9/11 to him is my Kent State which happened before me on Earth. But Kent State to him is but a basketball team he sees on ESPN from time to time. 9/11 is that to him. Yet the forces of oppression carry on with the long view as far as psychological effect in order to continually enslave us.

Thus, THE EMPIRE NEVER ENDED.

Note: I'm not "enslaved" but I am stuck within a system that sucks. But people are starting at least with my generation beginning to notice. My dad would have none of the conspiracy speak once and kids born after 2001 only know this world.

America has cost the "global elite" too much for them. They are knowingly destroying in front of us that which they think they have GIVEN US.

And then offering an option.

Biz,

That was devastatingly well put. It is strange to think of kids born after 9/11 or who were toddlers when it happened...THIS world is all they will know. But yeah well put. "A new reality". A lot of the 80's/early 90's "body horror" and cyberpunk films were all about this.

The battle for the mind of North America will be fought in the video arena: the Videodrome. The television screen is the retina of the mind's eye. Therefore, the television screen is part of the physical structure of the brain. Therefore, whatever appears on the television screen emerges as raw experience for those who watch it. Therefore, television is reality, and reality is less than television. - Videodrome 1982

The minute that second plane slammed into the towers on tv and ritualistically replayed ad nauseum, a new reality was born. It's interesting to note that one of the victims of the Loughner massacre was a girl born on 9/11/2001. Born of ultra violence and ended in it. An expression we here more and more is "the new normal". Yet Agent Smith's screed to a chair bound Morpheus toward the end of the Matrix pretty much sums things up. 1999/Y2K/September 2001. A new vision or aeon was born.

I said it in 2007 here, but there is almost a sick sort of humor embedded in the whole enchilada. They know we know and are giving us a little wink on camera on tv. There's probably some black lodge where the baffling nature
of all of this horror show is displayed in its grand design.

[Forgetting2]

Thanks 8bit, for stopping me from posting something in my 4 margarita state

[Forgetting2]

One thing, though. I believe there is a reality in which humanity is rooted which both precedes and supersedes anything the 9/11 architects, and those like them, create. The intimations, or visions of events or things to unfold hints to me an unbroken connection to that reality, threadbare as it may seem at times. I know it, and I can't but believe that that knowledge is in the younger generations as well.

(So tomorrow morning I'll read this and decide how embarrassed I should be. Right now I'm thinking it'll be one of those stating the obvious kind of posts

[NeonLX]

They put surveillance cameras in the offices where I work.

Nobody cared. Nobody even noticed. I ain't kidding.

[2012 Countdown]

They put surveillance cameras in the offices where I work.

Nobody cared. Nobody even noticed. I ain't kidding.

This is going on all over. Automated receptionists too. Maybe remote call in receptionists. Monitoring of all sorts as well.
The slaves, becoming more desperate all the time, back bite, fight amongst themselves, for crumbs.
The uppers get new caddys though, so all is not lost. Just be an upper, won't you?

Edit: btw, well put 82. Great comparison to 'Kent State' as illustration...or the Kennedy Assassination as well. This is the world we were born into. Now as the program runs on, it is the now 15 year olds and younger that live in the lie of 9/11.

[brainpanhandler]

it is the now 15 year olds and younger that live in the lie of 9/11.

A few years ago I was curious to find out how 911 was being portrayed in secondary school social studies/history textbooks in the us. I never did follow up on my initial research. But here are a couple of links to get started if you're interested:

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... elease.pdf

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... -sheet.pdf

[FourthBase]

They put surveillance cameras in the offices where I work.

Nobody cared. Nobody even noticed. I ain't kidding.

This is going on all over. Automated receptionists too. Maybe remote call in receptionists. Monitoring of all sorts as well.
The slaves, becoming more desperate all the time, back bite, fight amongst themselves, for crumbs.
The uppers get new caddys though, so all is not lost. Just be an upper, won't you?

Edit: btw, well put 82. Great comparison to 'Kent State' as illustration...or the Kennedy Assassination as well. This is the world we were born into. Now as the program runs on, it is the now 15 year olds and younger that live in the lie of 9/11.

I have good news, everyone. The 9/11 generation of kids are gonna be alright. In fact, guess what growing up with the unrestricted entirety of the world's knowledge in your palm can do for one's sense of curiosity and one's trust for authority? The kids who just graduated college or entered high school in 2013 are not some swarm of credulous superficial CoD addicts. In fact, how many of them do you suppose discovered 9/11 conspiracy theories online at the age of, like, 10? Relax. A little, anyway.

[2012 Countdown]

it is the now 15 year olds and younger that live in the lie of 9/11.

A few years ago I was curious to find out how 911 was being portrayed in secondary school social studies/history textbooks in the us. I never did follow up on my initial research. But here are a couple of links to get started if you're interested:

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... elease.pdf

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... -sheet.pdf

From 1st link:

Students are mostly expected to memorize the basic facts about the event.

Why sure. Thats the way education 'works' these days. Memorization and not critical thinking -on any subject. And for the gen. pop., we have Zero Dark Thirty. I mean, thats is the real/actual thing. And that is how the US citizens 'learn'. Movies. Sad maybe, but truth.The narrative will be advanced. The movie assumes the official version of 9/11, and embarks on more mythology.

[2012 Countdown]

I have good news, everyone. The 9/11 generation of kids are gonna be alright. In fact, guess what growing up with the unrestricted entirety of the world's knowledge in your palm can do for one's sense of curiosity and one's trust for authority? The kids who just graduated college or entered high school in 2013 are not some swarm of credulous superficial CoD addicts. In fact, how many of them do you suppose discovered 9/11 conspiracy theories online at the age of, like, 10? Relax. A little, anyway.

But that is a good point. Also as true, the 'we' (me) who grew up pre911 did not have the inet. Nowadays because of it, you get called nuts and paranoid. Kook.
To the movie thing I'd mentioned. I was in college (undergrad.) when JFK came out. Not that its the end all expose', but I remember how outright HOSTILE my history teacher was to it. On and on about how Stone was a nutcase.

[brainpanhandler]

it is the now 15 year olds and younger that live in the lie of 9/11.

A few years ago I was curious to find out how 911 was being portrayed in secondary school social studies/history textbooks in the us. I never did follow up on my initial research. But here are a couple of links to get started if you're interested:

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... elease.pdf

http://www.civicyouth.org/wp-content/up ... -sheet.pdf

From 1st link:

Students are mostly expected to memorize the basic facts about the event.

Why sure. Thats the way education 'works' these days. Memorization and not critical thinking

Look man, I don't wanna pick a fight with you, but...

1) No edumacational system is better than the human beings that work and teach within it.

2) If you want to get a feel for how our children are being indoctrinated in the official 911 mythos old school style then it might be useful to learn what's in the textbooks they read, who writes them, who publishes them, etc.

3) Memorization has been a staple of learning for as long as schools have existed and that's not a bad thing imo. Some things are best learned that way. Like, you might want to memorize a timeline of events on 911. Ideally, you would learn the skills to analyze data from a wide variety of sources, determine probablities and construct your own timeline to memorize. If you read the second pdf, at least to the conclusions on page 10, you'll get a sense of the relative importance the authors of the study placed on examining the critical thinking skills beyond rote memorization of facts wrt 911 being taught by public schools. And also the evidence they found that to some extent this is taking place. Obviously not to the standards of RI. I doubt Jeff's Coincidence Theorists Guide to 911 will make it into the American cirriculum any time soon.

And for the gen. pop., we have Zero Dark Thirty. I mean, thats is the real/actual thing. And that is how the US citizens 'learn'. Movies. Sad maybe, but truth.

No real argument there. Not very greatly overstated imo, although others might object to, "that is how us citizens learn" as being a bit overbroad. But for the citizens for whom that is especially true, well, god help them. They've no chance of escaping the Plato's Cave of state propaganda if they refuse to look away from that hypnotic nightmare shadow show and step out into the light of the real world.

[2012 Countdown]

Well, perhaps I am being misunderstood by no qualifications. Of course memorizing facts and timelines are good things -if they are true. My understaning of how things go in the classroom as per critics is that this raw fact repeating has taken major precedence over any critical thinking. Teach to the standardized tests as well. No fight needed, and this is not a hill I'm going to die on.

And if in any way you read into my words that the links you posted were somehow something I took issue with (2), this is hardly the case. I was simply replying to a sentence I'd extracted is all. No offense intended, no anti-article or anti-posting of article sentiment expressed.

For the last part, it should read US as in United States, which is why I'd capitalized it -but that is afield. What I wrote is certainly 'overboard' or overgeneralizing, but not by much. Sometimes when I converse with people on things, its clear they get their info from movies. To me, its fine if the movie attempts to be accurate. In fact, I think it works well as a learning tool -or a tool of propaganda.

I suspect you are in the teaching field which is why you are defensive. No harm meant or offense intended. Excuse my poor wording and for the attempt at replying to your links. Am I talking out of my ass? Hey, that's always a possibility. Certainly no offense meant or intended toward educators.