What is the word on Whitley Strieber?

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:50 pm

Aftraid I've already sent him the questions. He mentioned that he's off to China soon for a conference, but perhaps he'll be available for some follow-up. He also provides contact info on his website, <a href="http://www.theozfiles.com/" target="top">The Oz Files</a>.

by **human** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 6:02 pm

imo, streiber is full of it. i still enjoy his program.... more so when William Henry hosts.... but listen to this weeks show... striebers time travel stories have once again changed.. the details are just not the same as he has said before... of course, im not a paying member so i dont have access to his show archives for proof.. and thats exactly my point. the guy is a hustler. an entertainer. and quite possibly disinfo... if you ask Bill Cooper... one human?

by **Seventhson** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:11 pm

I am beginning to wonder more and more. But some of his writing is just beautiful. But who is Bill Cooper and why would his word count. And WHY do YOU believe he is just a hustler. What evidence? What belief?

by **Sokolova** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:52 pm

I find his story told in his own words quite convincing, even though the events do take a lot of believing. His descriptions just seem authentic, and his painstaking attempts to try and describe the feeling of watching the event 'through the back ' of his own head doesn't seem at all like the kind of glib or dramatic language that would be employed by a fantasist or a faker. He makes a very good impression of telling the simple truth about his experience. So I think it's reasonable for now to assume that is what he is doing. I'm not sure if the 'report' I have found is the same one published in Chalker's book. The one I found is titled Mitochondrial DNA Sequence of a Shed Hair FRom An Alien Abduction Case Performed by the Anomaly Physical Evidence Group (APEG) in April 1999  and begins "A great controversy currently exists..." Is this the same? I'm a little puzzled by the one I've read, which isn't really layed out like a lab report. It contains speculation about the case and the possible origins of the sample that wouldn't be usual at all. So, I'm wondering who actually wrote this? Was it authored by one of the reputable anonymous scientists Chalker says did the testing? Or did Mr C. write it himself as a development and summary of the more conventional lab reports he received? I think it would be good to be clear about that at this stage. Ellie

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:11 pm

Ellie, That is the report in the appendix of Hair of the Alien. (Or at least it begins with the same phrase.) Chalker attributes authorship to the "lead biochemist of the team that facilitated this work." Agree with you about Khoury's authenticity. Sharing the initial perception of watching "through the back" of his head does not have the ring of contrivance. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 8/29/05 8:12 pm

by **Sokolova** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:03 pm

I'm just puzzled by the wording. It isn't very typical of a usual lab report. It seems much too informal and not very dispassionate. I'd like to know a little bit more about the background to the report's construction, and to APEG and the protocols being observed during the testing. The description of the 'blonde' hair as having almost no pigment suggests it isn't so much 'blonde' as 'gray'. A gray hair with Asian DNA wouldn't be anomalous in the way a 'blonde' one would. I wonder if any thought has been given to that? Even if it were gray as opposed to blonde it would still leave numerous potential anomalies and it would still be quite hard to know how the hair could have got where it did (assuming Khoury's story is true and I tend to think it may well be) in any 'natural' way. Ellie

by **human** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:13 pm

But who is Bill Cooper and why would his word count. dude... William "Behold a Pale Horse Hour Of The Time" Cooper.... and his word counts because he was by leaps and bounds a better researcher than Strieber.. and also he was shot dead by police right after 9/11..... and his comments about Strieber are brief but in Behold A Pale Horse. And WHY do YOU believe he is just a hustler. What evidence? What belief? i dont have any evidence, but i described why above... have you ever heard somebody tell a story, and just KNEW they were full of shit? yeah? thats me and Strieber.. like i said, i still listen to his radio program.... he has some good guests... and William Henry is cool... one human?

by **human** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:18 pm

btw, i also think Jeff Rense is full of it, as is Art Bell, George Noory, Alex Merklinger & Michael Corbin.... but they can all still be fun to listen to...... just dont take them too serious.. one human?

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:15 pm

But how much time do we have in one little day? Just wondering, between earning, music, reading -- living -- how do you find the time for Rense, Streiber, Bell, etc.? You must have some super-duper amazing capacity to absorb stuff. Otherwise, I've got to assume you're putting down superior material in order to absorb that densely-knit cocktail of info-disinfo, fantasy & fear, science-and-psuedo science? I mean, just to sift through the huge daily volume of primary-source material is so overwhelming...I know my crew wishes we had more than one set of wise ears/eyes. Why would you want those proven hucksters to filter for you? Unless it's all just totally entertainment to you, like X-Files or something -- than wtf is that all about dude? And don't give me any of that "you do your thing - I do my thing" moral-relativist bullshit, ok? I do remember someone saying something once about hope just being belief w/o balls. As Vaughn Benjamin said (much more eloquently), science is now being forced to re-evaluate it’s entire being, and discard entire bodies of work, in the face of a “new” understanding (an understanding that indigenous peoples have been teaching us since first contact). The understanding is that even the slightest change in the balance of a particular ecosystem − the removal or addition of one tiny organism, a single type of insect, or one species of plant − can have immense, devastating, and everlasting consequences on the entire system as a whole. We need to wake up to that knowledge as well. It's about judgement, seen?

by **human** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:25 pm

But how much time do we have in one little day? Just wondering, between earning, music, reading -- living -- how do you find the time for Rense, Streiber, Bell, etc.? lol, i didnt mean to make it seem like i listen to them all everyday lol... ive certainly been listening to rense's show alot less since they closed the free archives... i pick and choose based on the guests... ive been introduced to alot of ideas and had the opportunity to actually hear some people that ive read speak, which IMO is a valuable thing in determining credibility of info... i hardly listen to coast to coast, that show basically sucks IMO.. i really dont like any of the host for any of the shows (except when William Henry does dreamland, he is worth listening to on his own)... but i do like alot of the guests these shows have on... You must have some super-duper amazing capacity to absorb stuff. i would say thats probably true, and sometimes feels like a curse rather than super duper amazing..... Otherwise, I've got to assume you're putting down superior material in order to absorb that densely-knit cocktail of info-disinfo, fantasy & fear, science-and-psuedo science? I mean, just to sift through the huge daily volume of primary-source material is so overwhelming...I know my crew wishes we had more than one set of wise ears/eyes. Why would you want those proven hucksters to filter for you? oh ive got my own fine tuned bullshit filters.... Unless it's all just totally entertainment to you, like X-Files or something -- than wtf is that all about dude? And don't give me any of that "you do your thing - I do my thing" moral-relativist bullshit, ok? dude, do your thing and.. lol i cant honestly say there is a line between my entertainment, search for knowledge, and works.... its all the same to me. and not like x-files. but even watching the x-files is not JUST entertainment. I do remember someone saying something once about hope just being belief w/o balls. lol, one of my finer literary moments... im not so sure i understand why it applies here though... As Vaughn Benjamin said (much more eloquently), science is now being forced to re-evaluate it’s entire being, and discard entire bodies of work, in the face of a “new” understanding (an understanding that indigenous peoples have been teaching us since first contact). The understanding is that even the slightest change in the balance of a particular ecosystem − the removal or addition of one tiny organism, a single type of insect, or one species of plant − can have immense, devastating, and everlasting consequences on the entire system as a whole. We need to wake up to that knowledge as well. It's about judgement, seen?  hmmm... judgement from who? a higher power? becaue if we are talking about people making judgments for themselves about who they should listen to and how they spend their time..... well then im gonna definitly have to give you some "you do your thing - I do my thing" moral-relativist bullshit, ok? and while we are at it... we should show some love for Dave Emory, the Black Op Radio folks... and dare i say it.......... Fintan Dunne!! lol one human?

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:43 pm

Nobody's forcing you to choose anything. That's our privilege now. Let's not waste it. I don't see me making you do it anytime soon, that's for sure. Why always the such a visceral lol reaction to the idea that to pick one thing up, you must put another down? Could it be a remnant of our post-modern indoctrination? You don't really see those guys as quality sources, let alone entertainment, do you? You do believe in quality, don't you? You do believe in prioritzing, don't you?

by **human** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:02 pm

Nobody's forcing you to choose anything. That's our privilege now. Let's not waste it. indeed, and i probably shouldnt have wasted that 5 minutes reading about Joe Viallis is a spy... but i did, and dont regret it. I don't see me making you do it anytime soon, that's for sure. for sure. Why always the such a visceral lol reaction to the idea that to pick one thing up, you must put another down? the lol wold be towards anyone implying that time is being wasted, via message board, which is perhaps the biggest waste of time known to man.... that is, if you are concrened about such things.... ive put many things down so to speak... and picked others up, and put down and pick up and on and on and on... its called learning <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> Could it be a remnant of our post-modern indoctrination? perhaps. but so is any system of value judgement... especially concerning time.. You don't really see those guys as quality sources, let alone entertainment, do you? You do believe in quality, don't you? You do believe in prioritzing, don't you? i do see many of the guests, IMO,as quality sources. and like i said, the only host i think is worth listening to on his own is William Henry when he does dreamland... although Dave Emory & Fintan Dunne are cool in my book.... quality? thats a individual value judgement, not universal law. for instance... this message board sucks. now the content is good, but the format (EZ Board) sucks. so does that makes RI quality? i mean, St Patricks Cathedral compared to a storefront church in harlem.... qualitative differences for sure... to an architect... but whats going on inside?? i dunno, i dont see value judgements like that as being particularly progressive.... i dont think that what Jeff Rense does is of any less quality than your obsessive hyperlinking of information tidbits... i think that my priority one day may be to listen to the guest Rense has on, and the next day it may be to read through your posts... and quite frankly im more than capable of doing both at the same time.. when something sucks, i stop paying it attention, and move on... im open to all sorts of ideas, and probably do lack discipline... but then again, im no mans disciple... one human?

by **proldic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:24 pm

I never meant to imply that I, or the RI discussion forum, was the "quality" I was referring to. Re-reading it, I don't see that. As for obsessive, I'll grant you that. Don't worry, vacation will be over soon, and you can go back to discussing unicorns all day... lol

by **sparkinthedark** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:35 pm

<a href="http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/">www.unknowncountry.com/journal/</a> "I want my children and my grandchildren to have a future. Right now, the screaming extremists who run this country have a very clear message for my children and grandchildren: forget the future, live for today, go into debt, abandon your freedom to corporate power and greed. And the left says the opposite: give your freedom to big government. It's all a great waste, and time is much too short. In fact, for the people of New Orleans, Biloxi and God only knows how many other communities along the Gulf of Mexico, it has already run out." Whitley's new journal today is rambling, urgent and perfect. Depressing- yes. Realistic- that too. I think he is one of the few good ones- a little crazy, maybe, but good.

by **human** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:42 pm

I never meant to imply that I, or the RI discussion forum, was the "quality" I was referring to. Re-reading it, I don't see that. As for obsessive, I'll grant you that. Don't worry, vacation will be over soon, and you can go back to discussing unicorns all day... lol i didnt think you implied that at all, what i was saying was an example... what you were implying is that you have some sort of ability to discern for me what i should be doing... thats an argument you will never win.. you could perhaps show me by example a better way, but all i have to go on is message board posts.. perhaps your posts may change the world for the better... same for the board, same for Strieber... shit i dont know for sure. and if there is a positive outcome, that is all that matters no? maybe strieber is chosen to help save the world... great, sure, if that helps him sleep through the anal probes.... as far as unicorns, wait..... what?? dude, im not even a regular poster here (although i have been here since the get go), i think its a good resource but i definitly dont care if people post or not... i think you might want to worry about these folks who actually like Strieber.... i for one, see right through the dude... one human?

What is the word on Whitley Strieber?

Re: not wanting to find mistakes

imo

What does Bill Cooper say about Strieber?

I've found 'a' report and also read Koury's own account...

Re: I've found 'a' report and also read Koury's own account.

Re: I've found 'a' report and also read Koury's own account.

who is Bill Cooper?!?!?

btw..

one human?

seen!

It's all on you

waste shmaste

dem gone

Whitley's journal today

where did they go?

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